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JasonJohnHorn
12-13-2010, 10:04 AM
Over the last several season the Cavs have tried to put pieces around LBJ, and the result: two straight 60+ wins seasons, and two straight MVP award for LBJ. But no titles for either.

Now the Cavs are 7-17, losing 8 straight and are nowhere near a 60 win team. So it is glaringly obvious how important LBJ was to this team.

On the flip side though, James is posting his lowest FG% since his rookie season, lowest rebs-per since his rookie season, highest turnovers ever while failing to dish out as many dimes as last season, and has the second lowest scoring average of his career, and lowest steals and blocks-per of his career, and it seems obvious that since his team has so far only managed to pull the wins out of their match-ups with .500+ and his numbers just dont match up, that James will be out of the MVP race this year. Frankly, though he still looks like one of the best players in the NBA, he went from best-player-on-the-planet to a dude that is somewhere in the top ten players in the league.


So who was more important to who? Was LBJ more important to the Cavs? Or were the Cavs more important to LBJ?

Hawkeye15
12-13-2010, 10:05 AM
LeBron by a mile. Role players are role players. They can be mixed, matched, flipped, whatever. James can not be replaced.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
12-13-2010, 10:10 AM
Obvious answer is LeBron.

Cavs are struggling while Lebron's numbers still look good even though they are not phenomenal.

Khalifa21
12-13-2010, 10:11 AM
LeBron by a mile. Role players are role players. They can be mixed, matched, flipped, whatever. James can not be replaced.

This.

There really is no need for any more posts in this thread now, but I hate to be the /thread guy.

Khalifa21
12-13-2010, 10:13 AM
Obvious answer is LeBron.

Cavs are struggling while Lebron's numbers still look good even though they are not phenomenal.

I'd never thought i'd see the day when someone would average 24/6/7 and those numbers to be called "not phenomenal".

In context to his career that is the case though.. Which is pretty amazing.

Hawkeye15
12-13-2010, 10:29 AM
I'd never thought i'd see the day when someone would average 24/6/7 and those numbers to be called "not phenomenal".

In context to his career that is the case though.. Which is pretty amazing.

well, we all know what he is capable of. And really, his efficiency is pretty low compared to what we know he can do. Once Miami is over the getting to know each other stage, expect it to start climbing again

Sixerlover
12-13-2010, 11:10 AM
Obviously LeBron. He's still putting up all star numbers while adjusting to playing with another "Batman" which can't be easy to do. The Cavs on the other hand are just bad to watch out there.

beasted86
12-13-2010, 11:46 AM
The answer is obviously LeBron, but besides that, fans on PSD don't seem to understand context.

LeBron was #1 before, now depending on how his teammates are playing can be anywhere from #1-#3 scoring option on any given night. Aside from that you dropped the fact that he's also on a career low minutes. And thirdly, check the splits of his numbers in December on this win streak and tell me he's not more efficient than last season.

Raph12
12-13-2010, 11:58 AM
Lebron was definitely more important to the Cavs, his off-ball abilities are what's hurting his FG% and THR%; but if he did what he did in Cleveland, in Miami, the Heat would be WAY better... Wade just wouldn't be willing to accept it.

Kenny
12-13-2010, 12:05 PM
How is this even a qesution. Lebron will get his fg percentage and all that up im sure.

bal_ravens
12-13-2010, 12:25 PM
If the Cavs had any star shooting guard, they'd go back to being a 50 win team.

mikealike305
12-13-2010, 12:44 PM
i think Lebrons trip to cleavland should answer this question..... and while yes, his #'s have gone down, not by much, and it's only a quarter thru the season, his #'s will get back to what we all know he can do... and cavs lost 8 in a row while the heat have won 8 in a row....

RulerSlick
12-13-2010, 01:12 PM
Lebron's numbers aren't that different. Everyone knew that neither of the big 3 (Bosh, Wade, Lebron) would post their max numbers from previous years because they're scarficing numbers for the good of the team.

Lebron's number right now are

24 ppg on 17 FGA's (he usually shoots 19-20 FGA's)

47 FG% (outside of his rookie season, 47-50% is what he ranges around)

35 FG% 3pt (career 33 FG% )

7 ast (around his usual numbers)

6 rbs (about 1 rebound down from his typical 7 rebounds)

1.5 stls (around his usual numbers)

.573 TRue shooting (around his usual numbers since his first 2-3 seasons although he shot 59% and 60% trueshooting past 2 seasons)


outside of FGA's and minutes, these are very similar to Lberon seasons prior to his last 2 MVP seasons


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

Basically not that far off from typical lebron

Minimal
12-13-2010, 01:31 PM
LeBron without a question.
LeBron started playing struggling, but now (last 7 games):

G GS MP FG FGA 3P 3PA FT FTA ORB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS FG% 3P% FT% MP PTS TRB AST
7 7 243 67 124 13 24 31 43 4 48 42 7 4 16 13 178 .540 .542 .721 34.7 25.4 6.9 6.0
Pretty impressive no?
This is only in 34.7 MPG, imagine if he played his career average of 40.2 MPG, he would have had almost the same stats, he had before.
If he is not MVP candidate than good luck.

todu82
12-13-2010, 01:35 PM
Lebron to Cleveland obviously.

daleja424
12-13-2010, 01:49 PM
hahahahahahahahahahaha.

I dont even need to answer probably, since the other posters have already given the obvious answer...

but to add to what I have seen... his per minute numbers over the last ten games are all around what they have been in his career. The only reason his totals are down a little is because he has rarely had to play in the 4th quarter of games.

last ten games- 0.703 points/min, 0.160 assists/min, 0.196 rebounds/min, 49.5% FGs, 44.1% 3FGs

career average- 0.689 points/min, 0.174 assists/min, 0.174 rebounds/min, 47.5% FGs, 33% 3FGs

so he is exceeding his career averages in most measures of efficiency and doing so while having to share the load with to other #1 players.

tisk tisk tisk

daleja424
12-13-2010, 01:56 PM
want a fun stat... Lebron has played just 48 4th quarter minutes the last 10 games (thats a possible 120 minutes). So with the HEAT winning Lebron is only playing 40% of the minutes down the stretch... with many of Miami's games being blow outs.

(just some more reasoning as to why the totals are down despite the per minutes stats being on point)

Crackadalic
12-13-2010, 02:00 PM
Can someone say /thread?

J_M_B
12-13-2010, 06:08 PM
LeBron, obviously. Role players are role players.

dodie53
12-13-2010, 10:09 PM
lebron.
nuff said

Sactown
12-13-2010, 10:26 PM
Lebron James is the best player on the planet and he shows it every game he's in... If you watch the games you still know he's the best player and undoubtly the leader of that team... He just doesn't have to show it for 48 minutes a game anymore