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Lincecum4CY
12-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Cards announce the signing of OF/1B Lance Berkman to a 1yr deal. #stlcards

Cardinal Insider twitter

going back to the NL Central

Lou Holtz Lisp
12-04-2010, 06:21 PM
To play LF? They have Jay, Rasmus, Holliday and Pujols at 1st. I don't understand this, they need a BP arm or 2b!

Lincecum4CY
12-04-2010, 06:24 PM
probably RF im assuming. Jay is more a #4 OF

Jeffy25
12-04-2010, 06:29 PM
Guess he is gonna play right field, another signing I don't like, but it could be a plus.

I'll take it, assuming he doesn't get paid too much and could be a type A with a bounce back season in him, but I am really questioning this, and the Theriot move together.

2009mvp
12-04-2010, 06:30 PM
Wow they're gonna put Berkman in RF? A prime Berkman probably does a decent enough job there, but the 34 year old version? Ugh.

Skippy15
12-04-2010, 06:30 PM
To play LF? They have Jay, Rasmus, Holliday and Pujols at 1st. I don't understand this, they need a BP arm or 2b!

RF or LF Holliday said he is willing to move to right if needed. Trust me they needed a guy like this, Jon Jay isnt as good as he looks from his good start last year.

Twitchy
12-04-2010, 06:31 PM
Unless of course this means the Cardinals are trading Pujols, and using Berkman as a stopgap at first.

/conspiracy theory.

BigPhilsPhan05
12-04-2010, 06:31 PM
interesting move, but the numbers could decide how good of a deal it is.

MooseWithFleas
12-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Doesn't seem like a logical fit to me. Only reasoning I could see is that Berkman wants to go to a contender before he retires. I remember him originally saying he might retire after his contract with the Stros was up. Even then, I think the Braves would have been a better choice.

Ron!n
12-04-2010, 06:34 PM
Unless of course this means the Cardinals are trading Pujols, and using Berkman as a stopgap at first.

/conspiracy theory.
This. Pujols is coming to Chicago baby!!

Mell413
12-04-2010, 06:36 PM
Berkman's glove takes away from his value imo. Time will tell though.

Skippy15
12-04-2010, 06:37 PM
This. Pujols is coming to Chicago baby!!

Keep dreaming lol

CityofTreez
12-04-2010, 06:37 PM
Berks in RF a question mark, but their offense improves after today.

Contract?

numba1CHANGsta
12-04-2010, 06:38 PM
Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman all in the same team? too bad it isnt 2006-2007 lol

Jeffy25
12-04-2010, 06:43 PM
Pujols, Holliday, and Berkman all in the same team? too bad it isnt 2006-2008 lol

;)

And Theriot too haha.

that would be a pretty solid lineup 3 years ago.

Lou Holtz Lisp
12-04-2010, 06:44 PM
If I had a guess I'd say 1 year 7 million

McJoe
12-04-2010, 06:46 PM
Berkman is a bench player for them I think, maybe right field. Berkman is coming off a bad season and could have taken a cut to have a Giambi like role.

d79cheese
12-04-2010, 06:46 PM
berkman got $8 mil from #cardinals. he'll play left field, hear theyre moving holliday to right field

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/11186910651224064

Mell413
12-04-2010, 06:47 PM
I'm hearing 8 mil

mike155
12-04-2010, 06:47 PM
I'm guessing Berkman will be in left, Holliday in right.
Lineup:
Theriot
Berkman
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Freese(or whoever is playing 3rd)
Molina
Schumaker(or whoever is playing 2nd)

Of course Berkman and FRasmus could be swapped. As could Theriot and Schumaker.

Swishalicious
12-04-2010, 06:53 PM
Berkman is a bench player for them I think, maybe right field. Berkman is coming off a bad season and could have taken a cut to have a Giambi like role.

Berkman can still hit, his adjustments after coming off the DL stint when in NY showed that he can still hit. He had an excellent postseason and I think will have a bounce back year for sure.

metsfaninSTL
12-04-2010, 06:54 PM
I'm guessing Berkman will be in left, Holliday in right.
Lineup:
Theriot
Berkman
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Freese(or whoever is playing 3rd)
Molina
Schumaker(or whoever is playing 2nd)

Of course Berkman and FRasmus could be swapped. As could Theriot and Schumaker.

larussa bats the pitcher 8th

mike155
12-04-2010, 06:56 PM
larussa bats the pitcher 8th

When the offense isn't scoring runs...

jd25213
12-04-2010, 07:11 PM
Wait a minute, I thought he signed with the Rockies.

Kinsm
12-04-2010, 07:16 PM
I nominate this as the worst offseason signing thus far.

They're asking a man, who hasn't played in the outfield fulltime since 2004 and has horrible knees; to play in the outfield. And they're paying him every cent they had left in the coffer.

Is Pujols moving back to 3rd? lol

MattColby
12-04-2010, 07:27 PM
^ I agree. Weird signing for them. Does make the lineup scary though.

smuffins353
12-04-2010, 07:29 PM
berkman is a hoe for that one....he knows everyone in Houston hates the cardinals why would he go there?

i guess money talks:confused:

Jilly Bohnson
12-04-2010, 07:36 PM
I nominate this as the worst offseason signing thus far.

They're asking a man, who hasn't played in the outfield fulltime since 2004 and has horrible knees; to play in the outfield. And they're paying him every cent they had left in the coffer.

Is Pujols moving back to 3rd? lol

Seriously, as a Cubs fan this and the Theriot trade have me giddy about the direction the Cards are going. Berkman's probably Jermaine Dye bad out in RF. They'll be lucky if he's only a -10 defender, so they better hope he can go back to being a +30 bat for this to be even a decent signing.

CityofTreez
12-04-2010, 07:38 PM
berkman is a hoe for that one....he knows everyone in Houston hates the cardinals why would he go there?

i guess money talks:confused:

Juan Uribe too

1yr/$8mil is weird. They play him in LF and move Holliday to RF. They acquire Berkman, and adjust their defense? Gotta wait and see.

gocubs2118
12-04-2010, 07:38 PM
I'm guessing Berkman will be in left, Holliday in right.
Lineup:
Theriot
Berkman
Pujols
Holliday
Rasmus
Freese(or whoever is playing 3rd)
Molina
Schumaker(or whoever is playing 2nd)

Of course Berkman and FRasmus could be swapped. As could Theriot and Schumaker.

Ha, I really hope Theriot leads off.

ATL#22
12-04-2010, 07:51 PM
Cardinals look pretty good. That rotation with Westbrook will keep them in games. But this signing is a little off to me. Their lineup looks pretty stacked though

koldjerky
12-04-2010, 07:55 PM
This is a weird signing. Moving Holliday to RF isn't exactly the best move either. He hasn't exactly played RF, actually ever in the majors, albeit he is a good defensive LF, RF is a more demanding position than LF.

This just made their outfield defense tremendously worse. I'm still wondering if they're going to trade Rasmus and if they do it better be for Franklin Gutierrez

Hunter48MVP
12-04-2010, 08:06 PM
This doesn't make any sense for the Cards. Berkman will play LF and Holliday will move to RF. Berkman doesn't have anything left in the tank.

Hopper15
12-04-2010, 08:25 PM
Berkman in the OF? Strange signing to say the least.

Tkais9009
12-04-2010, 09:00 PM
pujols holliday berkman and rasmus all with 30 + HR potential in the middle of the lineup is scary

to bad there's no one to lead off

stlbest5in2013
12-04-2010, 09:46 PM
8 million a year, for a guy who will only likely start 100 games max. kind of a good/bad deal, we need his bat if he is healthy, problem is we now have no everyday RF, and neither holliday or berkman has even an average RF throwing arm

Swishalicious
12-04-2010, 09:58 PM
This doesn't make any sense for the Cards. Berkman will play LF and Holliday will move to RF. Berkman doesn't have anything left in the tank.

Make sense for the Cards? No

Berkman still have something left in the tank? Yes

Don't underestimate him... he might not be a 40HR guy anymore and he might not even switch hit cause he even said it doesn't feel right from both sides anymore.

I think he can hit a around .280, 15-20 homeruns.

Method28
12-05-2010, 05:53 AM
This doesn't make any sense for the Cards. Berkman will play LF and Holliday will move to RF. Berkman doesn't have anything left in the tank.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Who else besides Pujols, Holiday, and Rasmus can hit the long ball? No one. Theroit? Ryan? Molina? Schumaker? Jay? Freese? All light hitters that pitchers do not fear one bit. All pretty much singles hitters (for the most part.) Berkman adds a lot to the lineup....IF he can stay somewhat healthy.

DodgersFan28
12-05-2010, 06:26 AM
Did St. Louis forget they played in the NL?

hugepatsfan
12-05-2010, 12:09 PM
He's still a decent starter and 6 or 7 hitter. But he's not an OF anymore. I don't like this deal for STL. But they're a lot smarter than me, so I guess I have to trust them on this one.

todu82
12-05-2010, 02:28 PM
I still like the signing for the Cards. Maybe use Berkman in a platoon position or whatever but if healthy Berkman can contribute 20-25 home runs a year.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 03:55 PM
I like him hitting in the 2 spot, drawing walks and mashing righties. Against lefties, he might not/should not get used too much. He will be the DH against the AL games, he will play 130 + games, assuming he is healthy all year, and he will play first on Albert's off days, like 3 haha, and God forbid, anyone gets hurt, like Albert or Matt, at least we will have his bat.

I worry about him against lefties, and I worry about him playing the outfield. It makes sense for him to play left and Matt to play right though.

Apparently he took more salary for a one year deal over a two year deal, why not a one year deal with a club option for a second year? Maybe Berkman didn't want that, redemption year.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 04:02 PM
If I was TLR, and I could set the lineup my way.

VS Righties

Sadly, Schumaker still needs to lead off, and yes, I bat Albert 4th for a thousand different reasons, but I won't debate that here.

1. Schumaker 2nd/RF
2. Berkman LF
3. Holliday RF
4. Pujols 1B
5. Rasmus CF
6. Freese 3B
7. Molina
8. Pitcher spot
9. SS spot, I guess Theriot, but I would rather have Ryan's defense. If you are going to preach ground balls, why would you move one of the best defensive shortstops in the game?

VS Lefties

1. Rasmus CF
2. Freese 3B
3. Holliday LF
4. Pujols 1B
5. Craig RF
6. Molina C
7. Theriot 2B
8. Pitcher spot
9. Ryan SS

With the current roster, this is probably how I would do it.

I am not convinced that Berkman should be hitting lefties, I would almost rather Allen Craig bat, and play the outfield.
I bat Albert 4th because of the number of men on base when he bats
Schumaker I assume can still post a .360 on base percentage against righties
Freese is more of an on base guy, and not much of a high slugging guy so he bats second against lefties
Berkman is a high on base guy, and should be used in a spot against righties where he can get on base.

Of course, TLR will bat Rasmus second, Albert third, Holliday 4th, and Berkman 5th. I would rather Albert bat where he can drive guys in, rather than the other way around.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 04:08 PM
Thinking Berkman can put up a .280/400/500 type season isn't out of this world, with 20-25 homers.

But his defense will be at the very best, just bad. Not terrible.

If his bat is actually that good this season, then I will accept his negative defense. But Colby better shift toward left a little this year :p

Thinking about it, they are really asking a lot from Colby in the outfield this season.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 05:22 PM
Seriously, as a Cubs fan this and the Theriot trade have me giddy about the direction the Cards are going. Berkman's probably Jermaine Dye bad out in RF. They'll be lucky if he's only a -10 defender, so they better hope he can go back to being a +30 bat for this to be even a decent signing.

I actually have him as a -18.7 in left field for 2011. Basing that on comparable players, projections, and not a lot of information though. We need to see how healthy he is out there.

I have Holliday as a +3.9 in Right, but a +8.6 in left.

So pick your evils.

So unless Berkman can post a .300/400/500 type offensive season, his defense might actually hurt the Cardinals more than his bat can help. Especially against lefties.

Rylinkus
12-05-2010, 06:03 PM
I don't question Lance's bat, but I do question his fielding. I certainly couldn't have predicted someone would sign him to start in the outfield. Then again, I wouldn't have called Werth to the Nationals.

RTL
12-05-2010, 07:35 PM
I can't believe a team paid $8 million.

Halladay
12-05-2010, 07:36 PM
Probably would've made more sense to stay in the AL as a DH/1B and hope to have a bounce back year. Having him in the OF could get ugly quick.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 08:55 PM
Probably would've made more sense to stay in the AL as a DH/1B and hope to have a bounce back year. Having him in the OF could get ugly quick.

for Berkman, it makes sense to sign a one year deal where he can try to play the outfield for his future. If he can show that he isn't just awful in the outfield, and he hits well, he is looking at a great off-season next year.

Being a DH would mean all teams would only consider him a DH

RTL
12-05-2010, 09:20 PM
Berkman turned down a two year offer from the A's.

Jeffy25
12-05-2010, 09:26 PM
Berkman turned down a two year offer from the A's.

tells you how badly he wants to rebound for a bigger deal, and how badly he doesn't want to DH

RTL
12-05-2010, 09:42 PM
Just tells me he think the Cards have a better chance to win a ring.

Burkey3472
12-05-2010, 09:44 PM
I still think Berkman can still swing the bat a little but him in the outfield is going to be a train wreck.