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dsickich123
12-02-2010, 03:44 AM
Many of you nba fans know that this season Russell Westbrook has blown up. He is average around 25ppg, 6rpg, and 9assists. And he just seems to get better every game. He has finally developed that mid-range jumper.

At first sight, many would look at this and say, WOW great news for the Thunder. (They arguably have 2 of the best up and coming players in the league in KD AND RUSS)

But is this really a good thing?

Can anyone see this frustrating Durant as many now say he is the 2nd best player on the thunder?

Will Durant be upset that Westbrook is stealing some of the spotlight?

Will this end up hurting the teams chemistry?

And will the thunder be able to keep these two young stars for the future?

News24/7
12-02-2010, 03:45 AM
Not sure. All i know is Westbrook is a ****ing beast and will end up top 2 or 3 point guard in the NBA if he keeps it up. book it

Giraffes Rule
12-02-2010, 03:51 AM
It won't be a problem for Durant because he doesn't care about being the big star. He just wants to win.

mjt20mik
12-02-2010, 03:56 AM
It won't be a problem for Durant because he doesn't care about being the big star. He just wants to win.

This.

dsickich123
12-02-2010, 03:59 AM
It won't be a problem for Durant because he doesn't care about being the big star. He just wants to win.

I think this too. He does not seem to have much of an ego...

Would hate to see these two go seperate ways...

marvILLous
12-02-2010, 04:09 AM
look at durant's twitter lol

Raph12
12-02-2010, 04:09 AM
Seeming as how he asked Sports Illustrated to put Thabo and Krystic on the cover with him and is forcing media to come to OKC to seem him, I'm going to go out on a limb and say it won't bother him.

Baller1
12-02-2010, 04:14 AM
I'm just going to remain completely optimistic and continue believing that Durant is genuinely a good person who only wants the best for his teammates and the organization. So I don't see this bothering him.

D1JM
12-02-2010, 04:32 AM
why would durant be upset? I bet durant is happy as hell that he dont have to put the team on his shoulders because he has another player that can handle the ball and take it to the basket.

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 05:24 AM
I don't expect Durant to be upset. It would be pretty frustrating if he shows that color. But Russell Westbrook is destined to be a superstar. He is already right up there with CP3, D-Will, and Rondo. He could be better than D-Will and Rondo eventually as a complete player.

thekmp211
12-02-2010, 09:22 AM
it's a fair question, but if you know anything about durant then you know he isn't the type to get territorial. plus, it's not like westy has exposed durant as overrated or supplanted him as a leader.

durant is smart and saavy enough to know that, past a point, he's only going to go as far as westbrook can take them. having another superstar player on the team is only an asset.

edit: not sure who you're referring to when you say many people consider durant to be the 2nd best player on the thunder.

westbrook doesn't think that. it was only 3 months ago that durant was the sure-fire MVP candidate and ready to average 35 points a game. He lit up the world championships.

In my opinion, nba teams rose to the challenge of scheming for him. they gameplanned around stopping him, priority 1, 2 and 3. Westbrook has improved, and the scouting reports are going to have to catch up. let's not get carried away, though. Durant is still the alpha dog on this team.

finalverse
12-02-2010, 10:03 AM
Durant does not seem like the type. If anything I can see Westbrook wanting to leave for a bigger payday, market or to be the main guy.

The Jokemaker
12-02-2010, 11:33 AM
If Durant cares about winning in this league he won't be upset. Did KG, Pierce, Allen care that Rondo became a superstar?

whitemamba33
12-02-2010, 11:39 AM
Durant has never shown any signs of being that type of person/player. Why would that change now? We are talking about a guy who quietly resigned with OKC while other big name free agents moved elsewhere.

Besides, i'm sure he's sick of losing.

millerandco
12-02-2010, 11:44 AM
not at all

durant is a humble guy remember when he invited his teammates onto the cover of slam mag?

he just wants to win

joeboow90
12-02-2010, 11:50 AM
Im really amazed at how good Russell Westbrook is. I remember when the Sonics picked him #4 overall and i thought it was a horrible pick because he went so high but he has definitely proved me wrong. Hes a breakout superstar this year hes playing out of his mind and its scary because hes only getting better. Durant seems like a very humble and good dude so I dont think this is gonna cause a problem. The only problem here will be if the Thunder can keep both of them because theyre both going to deserve Max money when the time comes

Draco
12-02-2010, 11:52 AM
Overrated. KD's where it's at.

jp611
12-02-2010, 12:02 PM
this isnt lebron were talking about... its durant... much more humble

Raph12
12-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Overrated. KD's where it's at.

KD's sucked so far this season, Westbrook is carrying the Thunder atm, if he drops off and KD returns to form then your post is valid... Otherwise you couldn't be more wrong.

Draco
12-02-2010, 12:17 PM
KD's sucked so far this season, Westbrook is carrying the Thunder atm, if he drops off and KD returns to form then your post is valid... Otherwise you couldn't be more wrong.

I wasn't giving an opinion on who the Thunder's MVP was over the last 15 or so games. Their future success depends far more on ~6'11" batman than it does a ~6'3" robin.

Raph12
12-02-2010, 12:31 PM
I wasn't giving an opinion on who the Thunder's MVP was over the last 15 or so games. Their future success depends far more on ~6'11" batman than it does a ~6'3" robin.

6'9 not 6'11 and no it doesn't, if Westbrook can play the way he's playing for the full season, he will have propelled them into "Elite" status if KD can return to form a bit. Durant gets his, but he's not making his teammates better with his horrid ast-to ratio, Westbrook is carrying them and if he can keep it up, the Thunder will be dangerous.

Draco
12-02-2010, 12:46 PM
6'9 not 6'11 and no it doesn't, if Westbrook can play the way he's playing for the full season, he will have propelled them into "Elite" status if KD can return to form a bit. Durant gets his, but he's not making his teammates better with his horrid ast-to ratio, Westbrook is carrying them and if he can keep it up, the Thunder will be dangerous.

According to Kobe, 7'0".

And I disagree on WB making his teammates better to the degree that his importance on the team outweighs KD.

koreancabbage
12-02-2010, 12:50 PM
you need Westbrook to be a top line PG for this team to make any ground in the West. Turns out Green is just a dud and should be traded for a vet big man.

you have the elite wing man and you now have a top flight PG. Green is not your answer to being a good PF. you need an upgrade before you take that next step.

Cool007
12-02-2010, 12:53 PM
Westbrook is a beast and is soooooooooooooo underrated by many. I can make a legit argument that he is THE BEST PG in the NBA. Heck, I can even argue that he is the BEST player right now.

He is beasting and I gotta give credit where it's due.

Now, let's hope he keeps this up whether Durant plays next to him or not.

Durant and Westbrook are my 2 non-bulls players that I really love.

Major props to Westbrook.

Raph12
12-02-2010, 12:54 PM
According to Kobe, 7'0".

And I disagree on WB making his teammates better to the degree that his importance on the team outweighs KD.

As of right now all KD does is score points, inefficiently; 28ppg-7rpg <<< 24.5ppg-5.5rpg-8.5apg-2spg... If Westbrook keeps this up, he is the better player on the team, that's a big "if" though.

Stunner
12-02-2010, 01:03 PM
Durant is 6'10 or 6'11 he is not the same height as Kevin Love and Taj Gibson fact.

PurpleJesus
12-02-2010, 01:07 PM
Durant already got paid, if this team keeps getting closer and closer to being a contender, he's not gonna care.

Raph12
12-02-2010, 01:08 PM
Durant is 6'10 or 6'11 he is not the same height as Kevin Love and Taj Gibson fact.

He was shorter than Shard, who is 6'10...

what54!?
12-02-2010, 01:10 PM
no and it shouldn't. This only helps him. He has another star team have to account for. Jeff green is pretty underrated too.

Stunner
12-02-2010, 01:11 PM
He was shorter than Shard, who is 6'10...

So he is the same height as Kevin Love?

tbone2171
12-02-2010, 01:16 PM
Where do you people come up with this crap??

xbrackattackx
12-02-2010, 01:19 PM
Jeff Green killed it other night when Durant was out.

Baller1
12-02-2010, 01:32 PM
Photo Credit: Icon SMI

After starting off the season with a surprisingly mediocre 5-4 record, the Oklahoma City Thunder have rebounded with a 7-3 stretch over their past 10 games, giving them a 12-7 record, which is closer to pre-season predictions than their initial record suggested they would be at this point. When searching for a reason the Thunder have turned things around in recent weeks, don’t look towards the obvious answer of Kevin Durant willing them to victory. No, its been a combination of better defensive play and the blossoming of a superstar.

Russell Westbrook‘s ascension to the upper echelon is even more impressive than Durant’s jump last season because Westbrook is now one of the most complete players in the entire league. While Durant simply got more shots up and got to the line more last season, boasting his points per game average, which was the only significant change in his game, Westbrook has turned into the NBA’s most unstoppable player when going to the rim while mixing a steady dose of jumpshots at an efficient rate.

On the season, Westbrook is averaging 24.6 points, 8.6 assists, and 5.6 rebounds per game, all of which are career highs. Westbrook’s near 25 points per game average is just two points below Kevin Durant’s 27.3 points per game average despite taking three less shots per game and the six-foot-three Westbrook is averaging just one less rebound than the nearly seven foot tall Durant. Westbrook has also set career highs over the first 19 games of the season in field goal percentage, three-point percentage and free throw percentage with a line of 45%/27%/87%.

Perhaps the biggest reason for Russell’s success offensively this season that has allowed his scoring average to increase by nine points while his true shooting percentage has risen is his ability to knockdown a jumpshot. Westbrook has turned into a better shooter inside the arc than Kevin Durant. Durant is shooting 36% from 16-23 feet on the year while Westbrook is shooting 40%, which is right at the league average. And when a player with Westbrook’s size, speed and strength has a shot to keep defense honest, his athletic ability becomes an uncontainable asset.

Westbrook is averaging 9.5 free throw attempts per game this season, nearly double what he was averaging last season and when you combine that with his increased accuracy from the line and with his mid-range jumper, its easy to see why his scoring average has seen such a dramatic increase. Westbrook’s ability to attack the basket puts him in an elite group of players with the likes of LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, Derrick Rose, Tyreke Evans and a select few others. In fact, Westbrook has surpassed all of those players this season and currently leads the league in attempts at the rim with 6.7 shots at the cup per game. Add in the nine free throws he’s drawing and its safe to say that Russell is attacking the basket, easily, I might add, 10 times a game.

And perhaps more impressive than Westbrook’s contributions in everyone’s favorite stat column are the things Westbrook is doing that are more point guard-like. Coming into the league, most thought Westbrook would be better off as a slashing two guard because he is obviously most useful when attacking the basket rather than running an offense. But when the Thunder past on several promising point guard prospects in last year’s draft, selecting two guard James Harden instead, they solidified their commitment to Westbrook and it has started to pay off big time this season.

Westbrook is averaging just a tad under nine assists, giving him the best combination of points per game and assists per game out of any player in the league, edging out LeBron’s 24/8 combo. Russell has looked so much more comfortable running the offense and I really think that goes back to his ability to shoot. He knows when he can take his man off the dribble or pull-up and now that he has a feel for what he can do individually he’s started to grasp how and when he should get his teammates involved in order to maximize the production of the team as a whole. Westbrook’s chemistry with Jeff Green has been more apparent that his connection with any other player. Green has shot the ball extremely well from the mid-range this season and half of the looks he is making inbetween 16 and 23 feet have been assisted on.

Russell will never be a Nash or Kidd-like wizard on the floor when it comes to distributing the basketball but he is sure a lot better than most thought he would when it comes to moving the ball around. And for the second season in a row, Westbrook has decreased his turnover rate despite taking on a larger role in the offense. Westbrook has a career low 11.4% turnover rate, which is 2% lower than his rookie season. Westbrook is also averaging a career high in assists leading to shots from 16-23 feet and beyond the arc, which indicates increased efficiency in the pick and pop game.

Athleticism and aggressiveness have also turned Westbrook into an elite offensive rebounder at the point guard position. Westbrook’s offensive rebound rate ranks at the top of the charts with Rajon Rondo being the only other point guard in his area code. The difference between these two players shows the major difference in how rebounds are grabbed. The majority of Rondo’s offensive boards come on long*caroms*that he slithers into the paint grab. Westbrook just attacks the glass with ferocity and without a care in the world. If he has to bowl through a guy or jump over somebody, he’ll do it, and he’s been quite successful to the tune of 5.4% of all offensive boards available and 8.8% of all available rebounds grabbed (which, again, leads the league).

With this culmination of imperative skills, Westbrook has vaulted into the top two in the league in PER (player efficiency rating). Only Chris Paul (27.25) has a higher PER and Westbrook’s mark of 26.45 is a full point away from the third highest PER in the league and six points higher than his teammate Kevin Durant, who ranks 28th overall. PER is not the end all be all of stats but when a player makes a jump in more than one area of his game, its generally a good number to look at to determine just how effective a player has become.

Earlier in the year, I criticized Kevin Durant and stated that he is overrated and all of my major points still stand. He’s taking 21 field goal attempts a night to score 19 points from the field and still hasn’t developed handles or the ability to pass the ball. The fact that he is being considered for the MVP award is a joke. Just because he’s scoring the most points per game, which is a product of his ridiculously high volume of shots, doesn’t mean he is the best player in the league or even the most valuable player on his team.

No, that honor belongs to Westbrook. Westbrook isn’t just a scorer, he’s a full-fledged point guard that has gone from a project at the point to the league’s second best (can’t give the edge over CP3 just yet). Perhaps Westbrook can’t sustain this level of production for the rest of the year, but there’s really no reason to doubt that he will keep this up. Westbrook has put in the time to become a great all-around basketball player. As a result, he’s no longer a an athletic freak playing basketball, he’s a complete basketball player that happens to be an athletic freak.

http://butthegameison.com/blog/28559/russell-westbrook-is-the-best-player-on-the-thunder/

JordansBulls
12-02-2010, 02:21 PM
Many of you nba fans know that this season Russell Westbrook has blown up. He is average around 25ppg, 6rpg, and 9assists. And he just seems to get better every game. He has finally developed that mid-range jumper.

At first sight, many would look at this and say, WOW great news for the Thunder. (They arguably have 2 of the best up and coming players in the league in KD AND RUSS)

But is this really a good thing?

Can anyone see this frustrating Durant as many now say he is the 2nd best player on the thunder?

Will Durant be upset that Westbrook is stealing some of the spotlight?

Will this end up hurting the teams chemistry?

And will the thunder be able to keep these two young stars for the future?


Considering many were predicting Durant to be the MVP of the league this year and player of the decade he may get upset about it.

Baller1
12-02-2010, 02:39 PM
Durant is still going to win MVP this season.

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 02:41 PM
Overrated. KD's where it's at.

How??? Can you honestly say you not hating on him just like every other bulls fan?

Stunner
12-02-2010, 02:56 PM
How??? Can you honestly say you not hating on him just like every other bulls fan?

When have bulls fans hated on Durant? I think he saying overrated in terms on how he was suppose to be playing at an MVP level from the start of the season til now. But i could see how he could be a lil overrated but he is a top 4 player in the league no doubt.

Baller1
12-02-2010, 02:59 PM
When have bulls fans hated on Durant? I think he saying overrated in terms on how he was suppose to be playing at an MVP level from the start of the season til now. But i could see how he could be a lil overrated but he is a top 4 player in the league no doubt.

Im pretty sure they're talking about Westy. Could be wrong though.

Cool007
12-02-2010, 03:10 PM
Im pretty sure they're talking about Westy. Could be wrong though.

I don't think either Durant or Westbrook are overrated. They both are perfectly rated and both are pretty darn good players.

I love what Thunder have but even though Jeff Green doesn't rebound and is not really suited for PF, he is a very good fit next to Durant and Westbrook as Green can knock down 3s and that opens up floor for Durant and Westbrook.

Westbrook will get paid but if they don't pay or match what Green will get then I could see some step back with Thunder next year or so.

Decisions Decisions.

As for this topic, Durant is one of the most humble guy and I have no doubt that he actually loves that Westbrook has taken that next step. He is becoming a LEGIT Robin to Durant. It all is working for the best.

Bright future for Thunder. Props.

Draco
12-02-2010, 03:15 PM
How??? Can you honestly say you not hating on him just like every other bulls fan?

A lot of the WB/Thunder fans are overly excited about WB's stats and performances. It comes with being a fan of that player or team so I get that. A lot of people who aren't in that group are excited about WB's stats and performances and often overlook context. Watch a game and participate in a game thread and come to your own conclusion. Example.. in yesterday's Nets game WB shoots and grabs his own rebound not only because he hustled but also because every single Net player on the floor stood around with their hands to their side looking up at the basket. A lot of people thought that was beastly.. meh. I think he's really good. A star for sure. But I don't think he's as good as advertised on PSD.

iCOOKiE MONSTER
12-02-2010, 03:20 PM
I like this Batman and Robin

jkcronyn
12-02-2010, 03:30 PM
dude no **** i watched the game last night, and if he wasnt playing alongside a scorer like durant he could be #1 pg in the league... even a top five player imo

GSRaider
12-02-2010, 03:35 PM
Durant doesn't strike me as a jealous guy... If anything this will push him to become an even greater player because he's so competitive...

All I got to say is... Watch out for the Thunder! They're one of the most dangerous teams in the NBA... If they get hot at the right time, they could win it all...

smith&wesson
12-02-2010, 03:52 PM
no!!!

durant was one of the first ppl to comment when the big three in miami were signing together.

he said he wasnt afraid of theyre big three because he felt there was a big three in OKC who could chalenge them. and by that he meant westbrook, green and himself.

now that westbrook is actually living up to being a component of a big player i dont see how durant would not like it.

im sure durant likes winning and knows westbrook is a huge part of theyre team and is a huge contributer to the wins they are earning together.


i dont think its a problem at all, i think its the opposite. OKC will be a top three team in the west for years to come and thats not due to durants talents alone and im sure durant knows that.

iCOOKiE MONSTER
12-02-2010, 03:54 PM
Durant doesn't strike me as a jealous guy... If anything this will push him to become an even greater player because he's so competitive...

All I got to say is... Watch out for the Thunder! They're one of the most dangerous teams in the NBA... If they get hot at the right time, they could win it all...


Best post ive seen
They are going to be dangerous

iCOOKiE MONSTER
12-02-2010, 03:57 PM
no!!!

durant was one of the first ppl to comment when the big three in miami were signing together.

he said he wasnt afraid of theyre big three because he felt there was a big three in OKC who could chalenge them. and by that he meant westbrook, green and himself.

now that westbrook is actually living up to being a component of a big player i dont see how durant would not like it.

im sure durant likes winning and knows westbrook is a huge part of theyre team and is a huge contributer to the wins they are earning together.


i dont think its a problem at all, i think its the opposite. OKC will be a top three team in the west for years to come and thats not due to durants talents alone and im sure durant knows that.





Exactly
couldn't have said it better

ccg34
12-02-2010, 04:21 PM
I hope KD and Westbrook leaves OKC. No team deserves to win with when you have Clay "Gay" Bennett as your owner.

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 04:49 PM
A lot of the WB/Thunder fans are overly excited about WB's stats and performances. It comes with being a fan of that player or team so I get that. A lot of people who aren't in that group are excited about WB's stats and performances and often overlook context. Watch a game and participate in a game thread and come to your own conclusion. Example.. in yesterday's Nets game WB shoots and grabs his own rebound not only because he hustled but also because every single Net player on the floor stood around with their hands to their side looking up at the basket. A lot of people thought that was beastly.. meh. I think he's really good. A star for sure. But I don't think he's as good as advertised on PSD.

boy-o-boy!! you are too funny. Westbrook carried the OKC w/o any problem when Durant was out including a win in Boston. It's not just one game. I agree not crowning him the best just about now but he definitely will have a strong case if he keeps this up for most of the season. It's ironic that a bulls fan doesn't complain advertising Rose but now Westbrook is overrated when in reality he is very very underrated...haha. Imagine if he was in chicago or NY or LA. I think everyone knows where bulls fans' (no offense) bitterness comes from when the talk is about Westbrook.

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 04:50 PM
When have bulls fans hated on Durant? I think he saying overrated in terms on how he was suppose to be playing at an MVP level from the start of the season til now. But i could see how he could be a lil overrated but he is a top 4 player in the league no doubt.

:facepalm: I was talking about Westbrook. He said Westbrook is overrated.

Draco
12-02-2010, 04:51 PM
boy-o-boy!! you are too funny. Westbrook carried the OKC w/o any problem when Durant was out including a win in Boston. It's not just one game. I agree not crowning him the best just about now but he definitely will have a strong case if he keeps this up for most of the season. It's ironic that a bulls fan doesn't complain advertising Rose but now Westbrook is overrated when in reality he is very very underrated...haha. Imagine if he was in chicago or NY or LA. I think everyone knows where bulls fans' (no offense) bitterness comes from when the talk is about Westbrook.

Nail biters against the Bucks and Harris-less Nets and a Celtic team that lost to the Raptors 2 days later. I'm just hard to please.

Antipod
12-02-2010, 04:53 PM
no...he`s got a great sidekick in Westbrook

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 04:55 PM
Nail biters against the Bucks and Harris-less Nets and a Celtic team that lost to the Raptors 2 days later. I'm just hard to please.

Any other excuses? You do know a win is a win, right? Give him credit. Check out the entire thread or make a new one if need so if anyone except the bulls fans thinks he is overrated. He may not be thunders best player just by 20 games but he surely isn't overrated.

Draco
12-02-2010, 04:58 PM
Any other excuses? You do know a win is a win, right? Give him credit. Check out the entire thread or make a new one if need so if anyone except the bulls fans thinks he is overrated. He may not be thunders best player just by 20 games but he surely isn't overrated.

I was content posting that I think WB is overrated and Durant is the man. You asked for an explanation and you got it.

jackdawson
12-02-2010, 05:02 PM
I was content posting that I think WB is overrated and Durant is the man. You asked for an explanation and you got it.

I asked for explanation not excuses. All you wrote were lame excuses. But thanks for your effort. Like I said no other fanbase will ever think Westbrook is overrated atm.

Draco
12-02-2010, 05:06 PM
I asked for explanation not excuses. All you wrote were lame excuses. Like I said no other fanbase will ever think Westbrook is overrated atm, and we all know the reason why someone like you would think he is overrated.

lol. I didn't expect you to agree with me. I'm leaving it at that.

Stunner
12-02-2010, 05:08 PM
STFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU im tired of this **** every thread Rose vs Westbrook , Rose vs Rondo, Rose vs Lamb Chop, im tired of this **** both our top 5 PGS right now all tied for 3 place all are worthy of being called the 3rd best PG in the league.

iCOOKiE MONSTER
12-02-2010, 05:10 PM
I hope KD and Westbrook leaves OKC. No team deserves to win with when you have Clay "Gay" Bennett as your owner.


Can you say HATER
don't be jelous

dtmagnet
12-02-2010, 05:15 PM
Nail biters against the Bucks and Harris-less Nets and a Celtic team that lost to the Raptors 2 days later. I'm just hard to please.

You know the Celtics played well in that game the Raptors just played way above their heads in that right?

dtmagnet
12-02-2010, 05:15 PM
STFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU im tired of this **** every thread Rose vs Westbrook , Rose vs Rondo, Rose vs Lamb Chop, im tired of this **** both our top 5 PGS right now all tied for 3 place all are worthy of being called the 3rd best PG in the league.

Not really true, Rondo and Westbrook are better there's no case to state otherwise.

Draco
12-02-2010, 05:27 PM
You know the Celtics played well in that game the Raptors just played way above their heads in that right?

What difference does it make. The Knicks played over their heads when they beat the Bulls and I know some Knick fans want to take it to the bank that beat a playoff team.

dtmagnet
12-02-2010, 05:42 PM
What difference does it make. The Knicks played over their heads when they beat the Bulls and I know some Knick fans want to take it to the bank that beat a playoff team.

The difference it makes is that you can't dismiss the fact that the Thunder beat the Celtics without Durant just because the Celtics would later lose to the Raptors.

Draco
12-02-2010, 05:53 PM
The difference it makes is that you can't dismiss the fact that the Thunder beat the Celtics without Durant just because the Celtics would later lose to the Raptors.

Sure I can, it's still just one game. (same as the Raptors game versus the Celtics or the Knicks game against the Bulls) It's not as though the other two games the Thunder played sans Durant strengthen the argument. At least not in my opinion.

ChiSox219
12-02-2010, 07:58 PM
If KD is upset, the Bulls will help out OKC and give them Deng/Noah/Bobcats 1st rd pick in exchange for Durant's services. ;)

kingkenny01
12-02-2010, 08:18 PM
i hope kevin durant hates russel westbrook asks for a trade and he comes to the bucks
a man can dream can't he

Baller1
12-02-2010, 08:44 PM
If KD is upset, the Bulls will help out OKC and give them Deng/Noah/Bobcats 1st rd pick in exchange for Durant's services. ;)

Noah would be a nice fit in OKC, but other than that... Shut up. :p

DwayneMVPwade
12-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Sorry to break to miami heat fans, but the miami heat, with the big 3 of Lebron, Wade and Bosh will not be winning any championships because of the OKC THUNDER's big 3 of Durant, Westbrook, Green. Dont forget that they have ibaka is who blocks shots like no tomorrow and Harden who could have many 6th man of the year awards before his career is over.

thekmp211
12-02-2010, 09:21 PM
Sorry to break to miami heat fans, but the miami heat, with the big 3 of Lebron, Wade and Bosh will not be winning any championships because of the OKC THUNDER's big 3 of Durant, Westbrook, Green. Dont forget that they have ibaka is who blocks shots like no tomorrow and Harden who could have many 6th man of the year awards before his career is over.

easy. green does not fit the bill. i love ibaka, but he's still a roll player at this point. harden....wow. lets leave him to 10th man of the year awards for now.

drobe86
12-02-2010, 11:35 PM
I don't expect Durant to be upset. It would be pretty frustrating if he shows that color. But Russell Westbrook is destined to be a superstar. He is already right up there with CP3, D-Will, and Rondo. He could be better than D-Will and Rondo eventually as a complete player.

STOP.... Lets not get carried away. There isn't a pg in the league better than DWILL.... And there won't be for the foreseable future....

tredigs
12-03-2010, 01:42 AM
In case any of you wanted to hear it from the horses mouth:

@KDthunderup
Kevin Durant
RT @l_M_n_o_p: I'll say it again K durant @KDthunderup is the 2nd best player on the Thunder. @russwest44 is a monster( I'm cool with that!)

^The "(I'm Cool with that)" part is KD's response to a twitter comment sent to him yesterday. I honestly don't think he cares if people think Westbrook is better than he is. Seems like he just wants them to win, and the rest is secondary - if that.

That said, KD is the best player on that team - but Westbrook is a hell of a #2 (and currently playing better... but it would have to continue throughout the year for him to take KD's alpha slot).

HeaTxRipZz
12-03-2010, 02:25 AM
I highly doubt Durant would mind some serious help. It's good to know that the team drafted a guy who will contribute to the offense Durant has provided these past couple of years. I can see there being a problem if Durant's job was in jeopardy because they played the same position but a monster PG and a monster SF will work wonders.

I remember in the summer I think it was Durant mentioned how he was excited to play with Rondo in the worlds because of how good he was. Now he has his very own monster PG on his team he will love it.

Also isn't Durant average 28 pts 7 boards this season? I don't see how the hell anyone here can see hes playing bad (for the ppl who have)

G-Bay New J
12-03-2010, 02:46 AM
This is a great thing for the Thunder. I think it will help the Thunder wayyy before it would ever hurt them.

I don't see Durant with that big of an ego, and I think Westbrook and Durant will just push each other to play at an even higher level. All that will filter down to guys like Harden, Green and Ibaka making them also perform at a higher level.

Baller1
12-03-2010, 03:17 PM
Andrew D. Bernstein/NBAE/Getty Images

Recently, I just finished watching the greatest television show in history, The Wire. So right now, I take and every opportunity I can get to talk about it. Someone mentions the Baltimore Ravens and five minutes later I’m knee deep talking about Prop Joe and the co-op. It’s getting kind of ridiculous, I’ll admit.

And after the Thunder beat the Celtics without Kevin Durant or Jeff Green, Bill Simmons had an interesting tweet. Basically, he was asking if we could have a potential Avon-Stringer situation with Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant. What? Two of my top current interests colliding? I have to write about that!

But it’s a question on the minds of Thunder fans and really, NBA fans everywhere right now, even if they don’t want to say it. Could Russell Westbrook and Kevin Durant be too good for each other? Could they clash? I’d by lying if I said I wasn’t thinking about that as I watched Westbrook carry the Thunder to a number of wins as he dropped 36, 43 and 38 points while KD stood by. Truly, the comparison kind of sort of fits. Or potentially fits.

The quick summary is this: Avon Barksdale is a drug kingpin in West Baltimore. His right-hand man is Russell “Stringer” Bell (ohmygosh, RUSSELL!), his best friend over the years. Together, the two build a drug empire that basically rules Baltimore. But after Avon is sent to prison, Stringer has control for the time being. Stringer has a different vision, wanting them to become more business. Avon though, sums it up by saying “I ain’t no suit-wearin’ bit-nessman like you. I’m just a gangsta I suppose.” They both wanted the same thing, just different ways.

Eventually, they end up falling completely apart while seemingly staying together. They just get too big for each other. They get too important. And I think some can see a similar fate approaching Westbrook and Durant. Or to a lesser extent, maybe just a takeover in who the Thunder’s best player really is.

As for an alpha dog battle, I say no way. Mainly for one simple reason: Durant isn’t Avon. KD doesn’t care about his media perception, his stats (corners) or how he gets to greatness. He cares about winning. Like Avon, he cares about family. Durant isn’t a lip service guy. Him saying Russ is an MVP candidate or even admitting that he’s fine with Westbrook being the best player on the team isn’t just KD saying the right thing. He means it. KD would gladly step aside if that’s what was in the best interest of his team. He has no problem playing first, second or third banana. He’s the leader of the team and that’s what leaders do. Tim Duncan was The Man in San Antonio, but that didn’t mean that Tony Parker or Manu Ginobili couldn’t step up and have big games or even seasons. It’s part of what can make a great player a great champion. Avon wouldn’t ever move over. But KD would.

And really, there’s no indication Westbrook would go the way of Stringer and try and assume control. Westbrook is too smart for that. No team can really function properly with two alpha dogs. We’re seeing that proven well in Miami right now. Oklahoma City is different because Westbrook and Durant play different positions and different roles. They do different things on the court. Westbrook has no problem deferring to Durant and Durant doesn’t mind doing it back. Think about the five or six times Westbrook has had an open fast break dunk but instead dropped off a pass to KD to “get him going”. You think Westbrook would do that if he wanted to take over?

(Then again, here’s a thought since we’re playing up this comparison: Stringer tried to do the same for Avon. He tried to prop him up and let him have everything. Remember when Avon got out of jail and Stringer had the new condo for him and then sent girls in to see him? Maybe that’s like Russ setting KD up. But then again, I think that’s stretching this thing way too far.)

(Heads up: some NSFW language in the following clip)



Really, I think this is one of those things that’s becoming an assumed issue, manufactured by the fears of fans and the wild ideas of the media. On the outside, it kind of feels like Westbrook is making this his team. Durant has struggled some and Russ has carried the Thunder. But to me, all that means is that instead of Oklahoma City being 10-9, it’s 13-6. And I don’t even think it’s so much about Westbrook and Durant fighting for control of their team, so much as fighting for who might be the best player on the team. And if that’s the case, isn’t that a great problem to have?

I almost feel kind of stupid that I’m even writing 1,500 words about this issue that most definitely doesn’t exist, but is only being talked about because it’s something to talk but. Alas.

But that doesn’t mean they can’t eventually be too good for each other. Remember Kobe saying all the right things when his was with Shaq? They had good times together, winning three titles. But eventually, they had an Avon-Stringer type meltdown. Kobe wanted his turn and sent Shaq off to get his way. Honestly though, give me three titles and I’m not sure I’d totally care what happens after that.

I don’t think we have a double alpha dog situation in OKC though. We might in five years, but right now, no way. These guys love each other too much and are on the same path. They’ve all got the same vision. Kobe and Shaq tasted the top. Avon and Stringer too. After they got there, they wanted more for themselves. Westbrook and Durant are the two kids still coming up together. They haven’t done anything yet. They don’t have a reason to start battling for control. They need each other first. They aren’t searching for their own. They’re searching for what’s best for the group. I mean, here we are wondering about what we’ve all dreamed about. The Thunder has maybe the best second banana in the league right now and we’re worried he might be too good? What’s wrong with us?

For every Stringer, for every Kobe, there’s a Scottie Pippen. Guys that understand who they are and what they need to do. For every Avon, a Tim Duncan. And I think, a Kevin Durant. They are the de facto leaders because they know how to handle these things. They understand how to manage teammates while still being the alpha dog. Just because Durant has started slower than expected doesn’t mean we’re seeing a changing of the guard. I mentioned it in another post, but KD’s numbers this November are almost identical to last season’s November. The only difference is, Westbrook was able to carry the team which meant we’ve got a better record this time around.

Now could Westbrook’s stellar play be throwing KD off his rhythm some? It’s possible, but unlikely. I think it’s simply an issue of Durant missing shots he typically makes, plus him forcing the issue a bit, but I guess he could be pressing to try and match Westbrook. I vote we let December play out before we start making any big giant conclusions.

This all really comes down to if Westbrook has a desire to be The Man, to be an alpha dog, to be Avon. Does he want to own this team? Does he want to take over? Nothing gives me that indication. All I see is a team with two really, really good players and best of all, they get along and know how to play together. Which is something I think most everyone else in the league would love to have.

KD and Westbrook are friends. They care about each other. Like Avon and Stringer. But what separates them, is that they BOTH care about family. They both care about their team. Westbrook and Durant’s lockers are right next to each other in the Thunder’s locker room. I don’t think that’s an accident. They know that right now, each of their ships are hitched to each other. To get to where they want to be, they need each other.

We can worry about what might happen, but I think it’s nothing more than fans conjuring up conflict that doesn’t exist. And it’s not even necessarily conflict, but I almost think people are worried about the prospect of Westbrook being better than Durant, as if that would be some horrible thing. We all want the same thing. We want wins. And we need both guys playing their best to get there.

But if you hear Russ whistling “The Farmer in the Dell” in the locker room KD, RUN.

http://www.dailythunder.com/2010/12/russell-westbrook-and-kevin-durant-are-they-too-good-for-each-other/

kArSoN RyDaH
12-04-2010, 07:56 AM
when durant gets back westbrook wont be putting up numbers like that so he wont have to be jealous. but if he does keep putting em up i cant see durant jealous. he dont seem like that type. eventually this whole teams gonna develop and become too expensive to handle. lol

tredigs
12-04-2010, 10:12 AM
when durant gets back westbrook wont be putting up numbers like that so he wont have to be jealous. but if he does keep putting em up i cant see durant jealous. he dont seem like that type. eventually this whole teams gonna develop and become too expensive to handle. lol

That's "Fear" by Calvin Klein you're rockin', right? ; )

This thread is baseless, by the way. I'm really not even sure why it's open.