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Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 10:57 AM
i know its early in the season, and you will probably think that thats a stupid statment, and its just because im a bulls fan, but realistically, am i the only one who thinks their the 3rd best team in the east atm?

i mean look at our roster, we have everything a great team needs:

superstar-rose

allstar-boozer

3rd scorer-deng

defensive specialist- noah

rebounders-noah, boozer, gibson

sixth man-korver

perimeter defenders-brewer, bogans, deng

post defenders- noah, kurt thomas( when he plays,lol)

backup pg-watson

versatile backup big man-gibson

veteran- kurt thomas

and omer asik, a pretty solid backup center, who is young, alot of room to improve, and hes 7'!

i htink all we really need is one more shooter and we will be really hard to beat, imagine if we had gotten reddick this offseason instead of brewer.

we are 9-6, had a good circus road trip for the first time in 12 years. and our 2nd best player has yet to play a game as yet!

i think we are one of the few teams in the league that go hard every night, no matter who we play

so are we the third best in the east behind the celtics, and the magic? or is it too early to tell

i know its jus the regular season, and its early, but we look really good, and im very confident we can beat every team in the eastern conference

the heat sure as heck cant beat us, because who is holding rose and boozer??? no body

if we play the magic, who is holding rose and boozer?

the only team im afraid of in our conference is the celtics, whom we play on friday, with boozer hopefully.

rose is averagine 8.2 assists, and when boozer starts playing, its sure to rise to atleast 10. and noah will score a bit more, our shooting percentages will increase because of the double teams

and its hard enough to out rebound us now, watch when boozer gets here. ive been saying it for a while, my bulls will rule this league again one day, and its coming soon.

am i crazy for thinking we are this good or are you guys seeing this too?

ManRam
11-30-2010, 11:00 AM
:worthy: Bulls.

Actually, they definitely are RIGHT NOW. I still believe the Heat will figure things out and eventually be a true contender, but right now, by default, of course they are.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:03 AM
:worthy: Bulls.

Actually, they definitely are RIGHT NOW. I still believe the Heat will figure things out and eventually be a true contender, but right now, by default, of course they are.

to me, there are 4 contenders in the east: celtic, magic, chicago, and miami

ultimately, i think it will come down ot celtics vs miami, or celtics vs chicago

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 11:04 AM
:worthy: Bulls.

Actually, they definitely are RIGHT NOW. I still believe the Heat will figure things out and eventually be a true contender, but right now, by default, of course they are.

bingo.

Draco
11-30-2010, 11:05 AM
Most people had the Bulls 4th in the East and with the Heat struggling it's easy to rank them 3rd. No surprises here.

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 11:07 AM
Go bulls

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:08 AM
bingo.

im waiting for the heat to catch fire in febuary

i like how everyone thinks they suck now, but during the summer, they were acting like they were going to be the greatest team of all time

they will be great, but not this year, next year they will probably become the best in the east, along with chicago, but this season, it will be celtics vs lakers for the final time

i want to see an east with:

Miami big 3

Chicago Big 4( Rose, boozer, Noah, and Meloooooooooooooooooooooo)

Orlando big 2( D12 and cp3)

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:11 AM
Most people had the Bulls 4th in the East and with the Heat struggling it's easy to rank them 3rd. No surprises here.

agreed, but in a playoff series, the bulls beat them easy, because the heat cant defend

the heat need to start: dampier, bosh, lebron, miller, wade

otherwise, they cant beat orland, they cant beat chicago, and sure as heck they cant beat boston

but this thread isnt about them, this is about chicago

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 11:12 AM
im waiting for the heat to catch fire in febuary

i like how everyone thinks they suck now, but during the summer, they were acting like they were going to be the greatest team of all time

they will be great, but not this year, next year they will probably become the best in the east, along with chicago, but this season, it will be celtics vs lakers for the final time

i want to see an east with:

Miami big 3

Chicago Big 4( Rose, boozer, Noah, and Meloooooooooooooooooooooo)

Orlando big 2( D12 and cp3)


haha, wishful thinking.

But yep, I agree. The Heat will figure out how to win some games this season, but I never looked at them as a shoe in for the finals in year 1. I figured they had a great chance at it, but this is a team assembled only in foundation right now. They will figure the equation out (role players, coach, offensive approach) eventually. But it will take a little while to gel. I have to admit, I didn't think they would struggle to the degree they have, but they have 6 years to figure it out.

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 11:16 AM
Their current record says they are 4th. Logic tells me they are 5th behind Boston, Orlando, Atlanta and Miami. Although Miami is debatable.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:16 AM
haha, wishful thinking.

But yep, I agree. The Heat will figure out how to win some games this season, but I never looked at them as a shoe in for the finals in year 1. I figured they had a great chance at it, but this is a team assembled only in foundation right now. They will figure the equation out (role players, coach, offensive approach) eventually. But it will take a little while to gel. I have to admit, I didn't think they would struggle to the degree they have, but they have 6 years to figure it out.

but its the same way i thought with the celtics when they first started, that they had no center nd no pg

but they will get better

but in this case, its not as simple, because LBJ nd wade need the ball

with the celtics, allen was a shooter, nd pierce was a scorer, and kg was the post scorer

with the heat, bosh is just a jumpshooter, lebron is a scorer, and so is wade

but when miller comes, lebron should not play pg, but assume the position, and have wade guard the opposing pg, and miller guard the 2

they will be great,but not so fast

and riley will take over after christmas

Draco
11-30-2010, 11:17 AM
lol @ Atlanta.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:18 AM
Their current record says they are 4th. Logic tells me they are 5th behind Boston, Orlando, Atlanta and Miami. Although Miami is debatable.

atlanta??????????

thats a team now??????

hahahahhaahha, they cant beat anyone

1. Boston

2. Orlando

3. Chicago( with boozer)

4. Miami

5. Atlanta

6. Milwalkee

7. knicks

8. pacers ( 0_o)

Minimal
11-30-2010, 11:20 AM
Yes, Bulls are 3rd best team in the East right now, but I think by the end of the season Miami, Orlando and Celtics will be ahead of them. And I think Atlanta and Indiana can give them competition for 4th seed.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 11:21 AM
Yes, Bulls are 3rd best team in the East right now, but I think by the end of the season Miami, Orlando and Celtics will be ahead of them. And I think Atlanta can give them competition for 4th seed.

i think miami will be better than chicago, record wise at least

Corey
11-30-2010, 11:24 AM
They'll be the 3 seed at worst come playoffs because of the division they are in, regardless of if the Heat/Magic are better recordwise or not.

Minimal
11-30-2010, 11:25 AM
i think miami will be better than chicago, record wise at least
I think you are the first bulls fan i met who is not a homer:D

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 11:26 AM
They'll be the 3 seed at worst come playoffs because of the division they are in, regardless of if the Heat/Magic are better recordwise or not.

good point, but that doesn't mean they will have HCA necessarily

Minimal
11-30-2010, 11:30 AM
IMO first seed will go to Orlando. Second will be Celtics or Heat. Heat should find their game and Miller and Haslem will be back which will improve the team significally. We should watch Bulls play with Boozer and see what they can do first.

ImThatDude
11-30-2010, 11:32 AM
no, 2nd with Boozer just wait and see.

Draco
11-30-2010, 11:34 AM
I think you are the first bulls fan i met who is not a homer:D


IMO first seed will go to Orlando. Second will be Celtics or Heat. Heat should find their game and Miller and Haslem will be back which will improve the team significally. We should watch Bulls play with Boozer and see what they can do first.

Adding Miller and Haslem to the Heat will significantly improve the Heat but we should first watch the Bulls play with Boozer. And I was hoping you'd be the first Heat fan I met who was not a homer. :p

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 11:42 AM
atlanta??????????

thats a team now??????

hahahahhaahha, they cant beat anyone
1. Boston

2. Orlando

3. Chicago( with boozer)

4. Miami

5. Atlanta

6. Milwalkee

7. knicks

8. pacers ( 0_o)

Really? They currently have a better record than your Bulls.

Last yr they were the 3 seed. The year before that they were the 4 seed. And they have the EXACT same team.

DaBUU
11-30-2010, 11:48 AM
at the moment i say we are, but lets not pretend the Heat wont go on a run. They have too much talent not to get it together sooner or later, then we'll see where we're at.

Corey
11-30-2010, 11:56 AM
good point, but that doesn't mean they will have HCA necessarily

Yea, I just mean sheer seedings-wise.

No one else in the central really has a shot at challenging them for the #3 seed. Milwaukee could, if Bogut was healthy, but they were due for a swoon year anyways.

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 11:59 AM
Yea, I just mean sheer seedings-wise.

No one else in the central really has a shot at challenging them for the #3 seed. Milwaukee could, if Bogut was healthy, but they were due for a swoon year anyways.

dont underestimate the pacers, like kenny smith said, they can play with anybody.

Hiphopopotamus
11-30-2010, 12:02 PM
Atlanta is done IMO, the chemistry is all off. J Smith thinks he's a jump shooter now, Joe J seems to have taken a step back (and realizing he should have taken less $$$, who can make it on 13 mil a year though right lol, and joined the Bulls or whoever), and I don't think you can be a real contender when you're top perimeter player is a king choke artist come playoff time. Is Josh Smith on the block? I thought I heard that. Has anyone else?

Bulls are easily the 3rd best team in the EC. They have played the toughest strength of schedule compared to the other conrenders and have yet to have Boozer...they will be tough. Miami can easily put it together, I just don't know if they will. It will require some ego stuffing and less alpha dog "my turn with the ball" playing.

That being said, I think it is the Celtic's year again. Especially when they get Perk back (IMO one of the most underrated players in the NBA).

Minimal
11-30-2010, 12:21 PM
Atlanta is done IMO, the chemistry is all off. J Smith thinks he's a jump shooter now, Joe J seems to have taken a step back (and realizing he should have taken less $$$, who can make it on 13 mil a year though right lol, and joined the Bulls or whoever), and I don't think you can be a real contender when you're top perimeter player is a king choke artist come playoff time. Is Josh Smith on the block? I thought I heard that. Has anyone else?

Bulls are easily the 3rd best team in the EC. They have played the toughest strength of schedule compared to the other conrenders and have yet to have Boozer...they will be tough. Miami can easily put it together, I just don't know if they will. It will require some ego stuffing and less alpha dog "my turn with the ball" playing.

That being said, I think it is the Celtic's year again. Especially when they get Perk back (IMO one of the most underrated players in the NBA).
Atlanta has heck a lot of great players and potential all-stars: Josh Smith, Al Horford, Joe Johnson, Jamal Crawford, Marvin Williams and others. The thing they lack is a true point guard such as Rajon Rondo to glue everything. They will become title contenders if they bring such a point guard. As of now they can easily make 4th seed in east.

Draco
11-30-2010, 12:29 PM
dont underestimate the pacers, like kenny smith said, they can play with anybody.

Yeah, I think the Pacers are more interesting than the Hawks.

Dr Cyanide 28
11-30-2010, 12:36 PM
lets wait and see what they do with boozer first

Evolution23
11-30-2010, 12:46 PM
Lets see how Boozer fits with the Bulls

Draco
11-30-2010, 12:47 PM
lol. Lets.

ravistarr
11-30-2010, 12:49 PM
Atlanta is done IMO, the chemistry is all off. J Smith thinks he's a jump shooter now, Joe J seems to have taken a step back (and realizing he should have taken less $$$, who can make it on 13 mil a year though right lol, and joined the Bulls or whoever), and I don't think you can be a real contender when you're top perimeter player is a king choke artist come playoff time. Is Josh Smith on the block? I thought I heard that. Has anyone else?

Bulls are easily the 3rd best team in the EC. They have played the toughest strength of schedule compared to the other conrenders and have yet to have Boozer...they will be tough. Miami can easily put it together, I just don't know if they will. It will require some ego stuffing and less alpha dog "my turn with the ball" playing.

That being said, I think it is the Celtic's year again. Especially when they get Perk back (IMO one of the most underrated players in the NBA).

X 2. Said it better than I could have.

DLeeicious
11-30-2010, 12:52 PM
Really? They currently have a better record than your Bulls.

Last yr they were the 3 seed. The year before that they were the 4 seed. And they have the EXACT same team.

Right because one of the toughest schedules + missing one of your best players really leaves your record as the determining factor in your teams value. I suppose you think the Heat are a .500 ball club as well right? They will win about 40-45 or so games right now based on their record right?

Oh and Atlanta was a 3 seed and 4 seed the last two years with the exact same team, here is the problem with that logic, other teams in the East don't have their same team, they have BETTER teams.

farsouthside
11-30-2010, 12:53 PM
1. Boston

2. Orlando

3. Atlanta

4. Chicago

5. Miami

6. Milwalkee

7. knicks

8. pacers

But the Bulls move to third when Boozer is ready to go

SpeeMN
11-30-2010, 01:18 PM
Come Playoff Time, if the bulls are full strength, I can see them beating both Orlando and Miami in a best of 7. But the Celtics still win with Experience, Chemistry and a deep bench.

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 01:21 PM
Right because one of the toughest schedules + missing one of your best players really leaves your record as the determining factor in your teams value. I suppose you think the Heat are a .500 ball club as well right? They will win about 40-45 or so games right now based on their record right?

Oh and Atlanta was a 3 seed and 4 seed the last two years with the exact same team, here is the problem with that logic, other teams in the East don't have their same team, they have BETTER teams.

Ok well Atlanta will have a better record than both the Heat and Bulls. Keep sleeping on ATL. You Bulls fans are going to be real disappointed and I can't wait!

DaBUU
11-30-2010, 01:24 PM
Come Playoff Time, if the bulls are full strength, I can see them beating both Orlando and Miami in a best of 7. But the Celtics still win with Experience, Chemistry and a deep bench.

I see this also. C's seem on a mission and the Bulls jumping from 1st round exit to NBA Finals is too huge a leap in one year no matter the improvement, maybe next year. Celtics-Bulls ECF, with the Bulls pushing the Celts to 7 games. In the end another Celts-Lakers final.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 01:24 PM
Ok well Atlanta will have a better record than both the Heat and Bulls. Keep sleeping on ATL. You Bulls fans are going to be real disappointed and I can't wait!

Look at the Bulls schedule the next month and a half.

Draco
11-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Ok well Atlanta will have a better record than both the Heat and Bulls. Keep sleeping on ATL. You Bulls fans are going to be real disappointed and I can't wait!

A Celtic fan living vicariously through the Hawks. lol

Raph12
11-30-2010, 01:41 PM
As of right now, sure, but by the time the playoffs come around, they'll be 4th behind Orlando, Boston and Miami.

Byronicle
11-30-2010, 01:44 PM
once they get Boozer back, I could see them beating out Orlando

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 01:50 PM
Look at the Bulls schedule the next month and a half.

Is it really easy?

lavilevi23
11-30-2010, 02:04 PM
In your dreams haters. Talk to me in April....

ravistarr
11-30-2010, 02:13 PM
In your dreams haters. Talk to me in April....

How does this dude not get banned with such a sig? It's fosters perpetual baiting...

bovice163
11-30-2010, 02:18 PM
Ok well Atlanta will have a better record than both the Heat and Bulls. Keep sleeping on ATL. You Bulls fans are going to be real disappointed and I can't wait!

I don't understand all the Bulls hate from you. Rivalry is one thing, but just plain hate is another. ATL has been a 'contender' for the last 2 seasons, and we all know how they end up in the playoffs. Until they find a point guard that can make everything stick like someone else said, they will continue to get bounced in the 2nd round every year.



In your dreams haters. Talk to me in April....
No one is hating, Miami is playing absolutely terrible right now with all of that talent LBJ took to South Beach, but no one is saying that they will not be one of the best in the East. But mark my words, until Riley comes down to coach Miami, and they have a roster like LBJ at the 1, Wade 2, Miller 3, Bosh/Haslem 4, Haslem/Bosh 5, they have no chance at a title.

And i'll be the first to talk to you in April. ;)

effen5
11-30-2010, 02:19 PM
In your dreams haters. Talk to me in April....

When the Heat are fighting for the 9th seed lmao

:laugh:

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 02:22 PM
Is it really easy?

yes

xbrackattackx
11-30-2010, 02:25 PM
atlanta??????????

thats a team now??????

hahahahhaahha, they cant beat anyone

1. Boston

2. Orlando

3. Chicago( with boozer)

4. Miami

5. Atlanta

6. Milwalkee

7. knicks

8. pacers ( 0_o)

No one bashed you for making a Homer thread. And listened and talked to you about it. No need to bash the Hawks they have been proven to at least make the playoffs the last few years. Please act like an adult.

RDBK514
11-30-2010, 02:34 PM
I think it all depends on whether Boozer meshes well with this team when he returns. Which I think he will. They have a great PG in Rose, a defensive specialist with Noah, a few good scoring options, and a fairly decent bench. I can definitely see them being a great team that can rival teams like Orlando, Boston, Miami for sure..

gocubs2118
11-30-2010, 02:34 PM
In your dreams haters. Talk to me in April....

Ya , you're right. You guys just beat the worst team in the NBA without their best player by 11 :worthy::worthy:

Stunner
11-30-2010, 02:41 PM
Bulls are a top 4 team in the East. IMO

Jonathan2323
11-30-2010, 02:46 PM
The Bulls are the best team in the league when Boozer gets healthy and Rose will win MVP.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 02:52 PM
I think you are the first bulls fan i met who is not a homer:D

lol, thx

im a homer when it comes to my nuggets tho,lol

D1JM
11-30-2010, 02:52 PM
The Bulls are the best team in the league when Boozer gets healthy and Rose will win MVP.

Couldn't of said it better. Who knows we might hire lebron to go dance on the sidelines to cheer on Noah

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 02:53 PM
Really? They currently have a better record than your Bulls.

Last yr they were the 3 seed. The year before that they were the 4 seed. And they have the EXACT same team.

even if they get a better record than us, we all know that they are really a 6th seed team with a 3 seed record

they cant beat half the teams in the east in a 7 game series

DLeeicious
11-30-2010, 02:54 PM
The Bulls are the best team in the league when Boozer gets healthy and Rose will win MVP.

This ^^^

bodupp311
11-30-2010, 02:55 PM
The Bulls are the best team in the league when Boozer gets healthy and Rose will win MVP.

Real clever.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Lets see how Boozer fits with the Bulls

lol, how he fits????? nothing is going to change with the way we play except we will play a bit more in and out than normal and get more open shots

its not like hes some kind of superstar ball hog we brought in, or stoudemire for the matter

bodupp311
11-30-2010, 02:56 PM
This ^^^

We should sig that. :laugh2:

DaBear
11-30-2010, 02:56 PM
Yeah I would say 3rd, and they don't even have Boozer yet. Miami might finish ahead, but the Bulls are better than Atlanta no doubt about it.

D1JM
11-30-2010, 02:59 PM
We just need the DNEWGUY to come and share his knowledge about this thread.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 02:59 PM
realistically, lets see who beats who in a playoff series

chicago vs miami: chicago in 6, reason being? who is holding boozer in the post and stopping rose???

chicago vs orlando: chicago in 6, whose guarding boozer from mid range? and who is stopping rose?

chicago vs atlanta: chicago in 4, reason being? WHO THE ********* ARE THE HAWKS??????

chicago vs boston, boston in 7, because of experience of boston, and who is holding allen, and who is holding garnet, and shaq???? and rondo?

celtics are the only team im afraid of, because they have sooooooooooo many weapons, where as orlando jus shoots 3s all day, and miami, well, they jus have no post D atm

Stunner
11-30-2010, 03:00 PM
We should sig that. :laugh2:

Got it lol

D1JM
11-30-2010, 03:02 PM
Got it lol

Lol

Bos_Sports4Life
11-30-2010, 03:03 PM
realistically, lets see who beats who in a playoff series

chicago vs miami: chicago in 6, reason being? who is holding boozer in the post and stopping rose???

chicago vs orlando: chicago in 6, whose guarding boozer from mid range? and who is stopping rose?

chicago vs atlanta: chicago in 4, reason being? WHO THE ********* ARE THE HAWKS??????

chicago vs boston, boston in 7, because of experience of boston, and who is holding allen, and who is holding garnet, and shaq???? and rondo?

celtics are the only team im afraid of, because they have sooooooooooo many weapons, where as orlando jus shoots 3s all day, and miami, well, they jus have no post D atm



Stopping rose/boozer is a hell of a lot easier than stopping dwight howard, and no one on that team is stopping howard, even bos cant stop howard when they actually use the pick&roll, hes a beast

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Stopping rose/boozer is a hell of a lot easier than stopping dwight howard, and no one on that team is stopping howard, even bos cant stop howard when they actually use the pick&roll, hes a beast

um im sorry, stop howard????

you act as if he has an offensive game, lmao

howard sucks offensively, sure he gets 20 points, and has gotten better this year, but hes not worthy of a dbl team,lol

he doesnt make free throws, doesnt have a dominant post game, doesnt warrand a dbl team imo, and most of his points come off tip-ins and alley oops

last time i checked his name isnt shaq!

shaq has a better post game at his age than howard

so stop howard???? hahahhahahhahahaha:clap:

Stunner
11-30-2010, 03:09 PM
Stopping rose/boozer is a hell of a lot easier than stopping dwight howard, and no one on that team is stopping howard, even bos cant stop howard when they actually use the pick&roll, hes a beast

Nobody can really stop Rose jus like nobody can stop Howard, Boozer does have trouble with taller players but he still work hard to get his. Only way to stop Rose and Howard is to get them in foul trouble.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:13 PM
Nobody can really stop Rose jus like nobody can stop Howard, Boozer does have trouble with taller players but he still work hard to get his. Only way to stop Rose and Howard is to get them in foul trouble.

well if you stop rose, you have to deal with boozer and deng

if you "stop howard", you jus have to deal with ______________________????? wait, who plays on the magic again??????? vince carter, when he feels like it, jamer nelson, only plays good on fridays, lewis???? who do they have again???

Sox72
11-30-2010, 03:15 PM
realistically, lets see who beats who in a playoff series

chicago vs miami: chicago in 6, reason being? who is holding boozer in the post and stopping rose???

chicago vs orlando: chicago in 6, whose guarding boozer from mid range? and who is stopping rose?

chicago vs atlanta: chicago in 4, reason being? WHO THE ********* ARE THE HAWKS??????

chicago vs boston, boston in 7, because of experience of boston, and who is holding allen, and who is holding garnet, and shaq???? and rondo?

celtics are the only team im afraid of, because they have sooooooooooo many weapons, where as orlando jus shoots 3s all day, and miami, well, they jus have no post D atm

But this goes both ways. Who is stopping Lebron and Wade? Bosh, no problem.

Who is stopping Howard is a legit question. His offensive game is coming around. Even Noah said it's terrible battling him all game.

Boston, no need to explain.

And, yeah, Atlanta I agree with. Not too worried about them.

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 03:16 PM
realistically, lets see who beats who in a playoff series

chicago vs miami: chicago in 6, reason being? who is holding boozer in the post and stopping rose???

chicago vs orlando: chicago in 6, whose guarding boozer from mid range? and who is stopping rose?

chicago vs atlanta: chicago in 4, reason being? WHO THE ********* ARE THE HAWKS??????

chicago vs boston, boston in 7, because of experience of boston, and who is holding allen, and who is holding garnet, and shaq???? and rondo?

celtics are the only team im afraid of, because they have sooooooooooo many weapons, where as orlando jus shoots 3s all day, and miami, well, they jus have no post D atm

You can't be serious. If I were a Bulls fan I wouldnt even be confident in a playoff series against the Bucks or the Pacers nevermind the top 4 teams in the conference.

justinnum1
11-30-2010, 03:17 PM
You can't be serious. If I were a Bulls fan I wouldnt even be confident in a playoff series against the Bucks or the Pacers nevermind the top 4 teams in the conference.

lol

Sox72
11-30-2010, 03:18 PM
You can't be serious. If I were a Bulls fan I wouldnt even be confident in a playoff series against the Bucks or the Pacers nevermind the top 4 teams in the conference.

Well, then you're not the brightest.

bovice163
11-30-2010, 03:22 PM
But this goes both ways. Who is stopping Lebron and Wade? Bosh, no problem.

Who is stopping Howard is a legit question. His offensive game is coming around. Even Noah said it's terrible battling him all game.

Boston, no need to explain.

And, yeah, Atlanta I agree with. Not too worried about them.

At this point in the game, LeBoshade are stopping themselves. Until Spo starts running a somewhat good offense, it will be turmoil for them just like it is now. Hell, Spo doesn't even run pick and rolls with Wade and LBJ. (which would be completely and utterly unstoppable)

You can't stop Howard, the best you can do is frustrate him or get him in foul trouble which teams have been doing like clockwork in the playoffs. Against the better defensive teams that can hold down the 3 point line, the Magic will have plenty of trouble.

Finally, Atlanta has been bounced every year in the 2nd round, and if JJ continues his weak play this year, then I don't see that changing anytime soon. Don't have to explain much about Boston, they are the most dangerous team in the East and have a real shot at winning it all. Until we see exactly how Rose/Booz/Noah/Deng play together, it's still tough to gauge our ranking among the contenders.

Stunner
11-30-2010, 03:23 PM
well if you stop rose, you have to deal with boozer and deng

if you "stop howard", you jus have to deal with ______________________????? Wait, who plays on the magic again??????? Vince carter, when he feels like it, jamer nelson, only plays good on fridays, lewis???? Who do they have again???

lmaooooooooo

Raph12
11-30-2010, 03:23 PM
realistically, lets see who beats who in a playoff series

chicago vs miami: chicago in 6, reason being? who is holding boozer in the post and stopping rose???

chicago vs orlando: chicago in 6, whose guarding boozer from mid range? and who is stopping rose?

chicago vs atlanta: chicago in 4, reason being? WHO THE ********* ARE THE HAWKS??????

chicago vs boston, boston in 7, because of experience of boston, and who is holding allen, and who is holding garnet, and shaq???? and rondo?

celtics are the only team im afraid of, because they have sooooooooooo many weapons, where as orlando jus shoots 3s all day, and miami, well, they jus have no post D atm

This is why people don't respect Bulls fans, because of retards like you ruining it for the rest.

Chicago vs Boston: Celts in 6 - Rondo will outplay Rose again, Perkins will shutdown Noah, KG will lockdown Boozer, Pierce will outplay Deng and Ray will be Ray

Chicago vs Orlando: Magic in 6 - Dwight guards Boozer and shuts him down like usual, Rose struggles with Dwight guarding the rim and Dwight ***** on Noah like usual (see Magic vs Bulls and Utah last season to watch Dwight tear up your boys)

Chicago vs Miami: Heat in 6 - Lebron will crap all over the Bulls like he did last year in the playoffs, Bosh will get Boozer and Noah into foul trouble, Wade will shut Rose down

Chicago vs Atlanta: Bulls in 6/7 - Rose will destroy Bibby and that's about the only advantage

Chicago is the 4th best team by the time the playoffs roll around, Boozer is overrated and is constantly shut down by bigger defenders. Noah is just a hustle guy, he's the more skilled version of Varejao... The Bulls have a good foundation in Rose and Boozer, but they'll need more than that to beat the likes of the Celts, Magic and Heat.

bovice163
11-30-2010, 03:23 PM
You can't be serious. If I were a Bulls fan I wouldnt even be confident in a playoff series against the Bucks or the Pacers nevermind the top 4 teams in the conference.

Hey look, another ignorant Celtics fan who would gargle Rondo's balls if he was given the chance to!

5ass
11-30-2010, 03:24 PM
um im sorry, stop howard????

you act as if he has an offensive game, lmao

howard sucks offensively, sure he gets 20 points, and has gotten better this year, but hes not worthy of a dbl team,lol

he doesnt make free throws, doesnt have a dominant post game, doesnt warrand a dbl team imo, and most of his points come off tip-ins and alley oops

last time i checked his name isnt shaq!

shaq has a better post game at his age than howard

so stop howard???? hahahhahahhahahaha:clap:
nah man, magic are much better than the bulls

Doogolas
11-30-2010, 03:26 PM
God Bulls fans really make me hate Bulls fans.

Stunner
11-30-2010, 03:27 PM
This is why people don't respect Bulls fans, because of retards like you ruining it for the rest.

Chicago vs Boston: Celts in 6 - Rondo will outplay Rose again, Perkins will shutdown Noah, KG will lockdown Boozer, Pierce will outplay Deng and Ray will be Ray

Chicago vs Orlando: Magic in 6 - Dwight guards Boozer and shuts him down like usual, Rose struggles with Dwight guarding the rim and Dwight ***** on Noah like usual (see Magic vs Bulls and Utah last season to watch Dwight tear up your boys)

Chicago vs Miami: Heat in 6 - Lebron will crap all over the Bulls like he did last year in the playoffs, Bosh will get Boozer and Noah into foul trouble, Wade will shut Rose down

Chicago vs Atlanta: Bulls in 6/7 - Rose will destroy Bibby and that's about the only advantage

Chicago is the 4th best team by the time the playoffs roll around, Boozer is overrated and is constantly shut down by bigger defenders. Noah is just a hustle guy, he's the more skilled version of Varejao... The Bulls have a good foundation in Rose and Boozer, but they'll need more than that to beat the likes of the Celts, Magic and Heat.


Noah right now is playing like the 2nd best Center in the League. Noah is more than a hustle guy i never seen a hustle guy put up 16 ppg. And he always play good against the Magic. Plus yes Boozer does have trouble going against bigger players but he still got his and he had to work real hard to do it, but he never played with a center like Noah his whole career. Bosh isnt not better than Boozer one of the Heats biggest flaws is their big man depth. Bulls bigs are better than the Heats. And the Heat get abused by good PG's why didnt Wade guard the others if he is going to shut down Rose? Either way its goes any team that plays the Bulls it will be a 6 or 7 game series.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:32 PM
You can't be serious. If I were a Bulls fan I wouldnt even be confident in a playoff series against the Bucks or the Pacers nevermind the top 4 teams in the conference.

lol, u sound like an od hater, mad we took yall to 7 a few years ago???

bucks! they are the most dissapointing team this year, i expected much more from them so far, but as far as i see now, there is no reason to fear the deer

pacers????? :facepalm:

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:34 PM
But this goes both ways. Who is stopping Lebron and Wade? Bosh, no problem.

Who is stopping Howard is a legit question. His offensive game is coming around. Even Noah said it's terrible battling him all game.

Boston, no need to explain.

And, yeah, Atlanta I agree with. Not too worried about them.

stoping lebron/bsoh/nd wade is no easy task, im not saying we will stop them, im saying that stoppong us is a bit tougher because we actually have a back to the basket pf, and a defensive center

where as miami has a jumpshooting pf, who is too afraid to play in the post with the real men.;):cool:

DaBUU
11-30-2010, 03:37 PM
to be honest we've been spanked by Orlando last few times, we need to beat them in the regular season before we say we can take them in a 7 game series. We've played solid so far, but lets not get ahead of ourselves.

Baller1
11-30-2010, 03:37 PM
Right now, definitely. Rose and Noah are playing incredible, and Deng has been pulling his weight for the most part. And now they're getting Boozer back, so that should only help.

However, I think they end up being the 4th or 5th best team. Miami will get it together and surpass them, while Chicago and Atlanta will jockey for the 4/5 seed.

justinnum1
11-30-2010, 03:37 PM
This is why people don't respect Bulls fans, because of retards like you ruining it for the rest.

Chicago vs Boston: Celts in 6 - Rondo will outplay Rose again, Perkins will shutdown Noah, KG will lockdown Boozer, Pierce will outplay Deng and Ray will be Ray

Chicago vs Orlando: Magic in 6 - Dwight guards Boozer and shuts him down like usual, Rose struggles with Dwight guarding the rim and Dwight ***** on Noah like usual (see Magic vs Bulls and Utah last season to watch Dwight tear up your boys)

Chicago vs Miami: Heat in 6 - Lebron will crap all over the Bulls like he did last year in the playoffs, Bosh will get Boozer and Noah into foul trouble, Wade will shut Rose down

Chicago vs Atlanta: Bulls in 6/7 - Rose will destroy Bibby and that's about the only advantage

Chicago is the 4th best team by the time the playoffs roll around, Boozer is overrated and is constantly shut down by bigger defenders. Noah is just a hustle guy, he's the more skilled version of Varejao... The Bulls have a good foundation in Rose and Boozer, but they'll need more than that to beat the likes of the Celts, Magic and Heat.

:clap: Great post.

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 03:38 PM
We just need the DNEWGUY to come and share his knowledge about this thread.

yes we do, lol I can see it now...... "Lebron,wade,and bosh could take on the entire bulls team, any team for that matter and beat them 3 on 5."

gotta love dnewguy sometimes.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 03:38 PM
Chris Bosh is not a power forward, he's a tall forward.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:39 PM
This is why people don't respect Bulls fans, because of retards like you ruining it for the rest.

Chicago vs Boston: Celts in 6 - Rondo will outplay Rose again, Perkins will shutdown Noah, KG will lockdown Boozer, Pierce will outplay Deng and Ray will be Ray

Chicago vs Orlando: Magic in 6 - Dwight guards Boozer and shuts him down like usual, Rose struggles with Dwight guarding the rim and Dwight ***** on Noah like usual (see Magic vs Bulls and Utah last season to watch Dwight tear up your boys)

Chicago vs Miami: Heat in 6 - Lebron will crap all over the Bulls like he did last year in the playoffs, Bosh will get Boozer and Noah into foul trouble, Wade will shut Rose down

Chicago vs Atlanta: Bulls in 6/7 - Rose will destroy Bibby and that's about the only advantage

Chicago is the 4th best team by the time the playoffs roll around, Boozer is overrated and is constantly shut down by bigger defenders. Noah is just a hustle guy, he's the more skilled version of Varejao... The Bulls have a good foundation in Rose and Boozer, but they'll need more than that to beat the likes of the Celts, Magic and Heat.

lol,hater, how will you stop noah where most of his points come off hustle and tip ins and cuts to the basket? do u watch the bulls???

lockdown boozer???? how? if you find out how, lemme kno, caus you seen wat he did in the playoffs las year

rondo, out play rose??? maybe with assists, but nothing else. they will have to dbl rose all game

wade, shut down rose?? who do u think wade is, pippen??? wade cant even play D like matt barnes,lol, stop rose

dwight howard guarding boozer???

are you MAD!:facepalm:

boozer will have howard all the ay on the perimiter hte whole game, u forget boozer is a jumpshooter and a banger in the post?

ahahhahahhahhahahhahahaaaha

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:40 PM
im not saying were gunna beat everyone in a playoff series, im jus saying that stoping us is no easy task


ppl keep bringing up rose, noah and boozer

did you forget we have deng? korver? gibson? watson? brewer?

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:42 PM
nah man, magic are much better than the bulls

yea, orlando is one of the best teams in the NBA, in the regular season atleast

bovice163
11-30-2010, 03:42 PM
Right now, definitely. Rose and Noah are playing incredible, and Deng has been pulling his weight for the most part. And now they're getting Boozer back, so that should only help.

However, I think they end up being the 4th or 5th best team. Miami will get it together and surpass them, while Chicago and Atlanta will jockey for the 4/5 seed.

Thank you for being respectful for the most part this time. I would somewhat agree with that statement, but until JJ steps it up to what he was doing in the past, or even superior to that, I don't see the Hawks beating the Bulls in a 7 game series. The only lopsided match up would be Rose vs Bibby, and that would not go well at all for the Hawks. JJ has been inefficient and not himself, and until he is himself the Hawks will be the same or worse than in years past. JSmoove has been a complete animal lately, but he isn't the one that will or should be picking up the scoring load in the POs.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 03:42 PM
um im sorry, stop howard????

you act as if he has an offensive game, lmao

howard sucks offensively, sure he gets 20 points, and has gotten better this year, but hes not worthy of a dbl team,lol

he doesnt make free throws, doesnt have a dominant post game, doesnt warrand a dbl team imo, and most of his points come off tip-ins and alley oops

last time i checked his name isnt shaq!

shaq has a better post game at his age than howard

so stop howard???? hahahhahahhahahaha:clap:

Right, it's not like he's a 2-time DPOY and currently the leading candidate for MVP and DPOY this season... OH WAIT, HE IS!

With this post, I'm done arguing with you, you obviously are a dumb little kid who's probably dropped out of school to come talk about basketball on a forum.


Noah right now is playing like the 2nd best Center in the League. Noah is more than a hustle guy i never seen a hustle guy put up 16 ppg. And he always play good against the Magic. Plus yes Boozer does have trouble going against bigger players but he still got his and he had to work real hard to do it, but he never played with a center like Noah his whole career. Bosh isnt not better than Boozer one of the Heats biggest flaws is their big man depth. Bulls bigs are better than the Heats. And the Heat get abused by good PG's why didnt Wade guard the others if he is going to shut down Rose? Either way its goes any team that plays the Bulls it will be a 6 or 7 game series.

Dwight's h2h vs Noah is as follows:
Dwight: 19ppg-13rpg-1.5apg-1spg-2bpg
Noah: 8ppg-6rpg-1apg-1spg-0.5bpg

Would say that's playing well against Dwight and when I said Boozer struggles against bigger defenders, I meant Dwight and KG, not Bosh, I think he can outplay Bosh as long as he stays out of foul trouble. I assume at some point during the series Wade will guard Rose because Rose will abuse Arroyo/Chalmers.

I think the Celts and Magic can beat the Bulls in 6, the Heat in 7 and the Hawks will lose to them in 6 or 7. It won't be an easy series for any of the teams, but the Bulls currently aren't better than the Magic or Celts and I think the Heat will be right there by the time the playoffs start.

PS: I know I went overboard with the Bulls bashing, but that other guy pisses me off.

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Right, it's not like he's a 2-time DPOY and currently the leading candidate for MVP and DPOY this season... OH WAIT, HE IS!

With this post, I'm done arguing with you, you obviously are a dumb little kid who's probably dropped out of school to come talk about basketball on a forum.



Dwight's h2h vs Noah is as follows:
Dwight: 19ppg-13rpg-1.5apg-1spg-2bpg
Noah: 8ppg-6rpg-1apg-1spg-0.5bpg

Would say that's playing well against Dwight and when I said Boozer struggles against bigger defenders, I meant Dwight and KG, not Bosh, I think he can outplay Bosh as long as he stays out of foul trouble. I assume at some point during the series Wade will guard Rose because Rose will abuse Arroyo/Chalmers.

I think the Celts and Magic can beat the Bulls in 6, the Heat in 7 and the Hawks will lose to them in 6 or 7. It won't be an easy series for any of the teams, but the Bulls currently aren't better than the Magic or Celts and I think the Heat will be right there by the time the playoffs start.

PS: I know I went overboard with the Bulls bashing, but that other guy pisses me off.

good at least you know cause you were depressing me again

Baller1
11-30-2010, 03:44 PM
Thank you for being respectful for the most part this time. I would somewhat agree with that statement, but until JJ steps it up to what he was doing in the past, or even superior to that, I don't see the Hawks beating the Bulls in a 7 game series. The only lopsided match up would be Rose vs Bibby, and that would not go well at all for the Hawks. JJ has been inefficient and not himself, and until he is himself the Hawks will be the same or worse than in years past. JSmoove has been a complete animal lately, but he isn't the one that will or should be picking up the scoring load in the POs.

Oh I know, those were my seeding predictions for the regular season. I see the Bulls taking the Hawks in a playoff series if they were to meet up. Rose would eat their PG's alive.

Dr Cyanide 28
11-30-2010, 03:46 PM
were nothing until we beat these guys in the playoffs. same with the heat. heat arent anything until they beat the elites on the big stage. only teams that should be considered faves are celtics and magic.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:46 PM
Right, it's not like he's a 2-time DPOY and currently the leading candidate for MVP and DPOY this season... OH WAIT, HE IS!

With this post, I'm done arguing with you, you obviously are a dumb little kid who's probably dropped out of school to come talk about basketball on a forum.



Dwight's h2h vs Noah is as follows:
Dwight: 19ppg-13rpg-1.5apg-1spg-2bpg
Noah: 8ppg-6rpg-1apg-1spg-0.5bpg

Would say that's playing well against Dwight and when I said Boozer struggles against bigger defenders, I meant Dwight and KG, not Bosh, I think he can outplay Bosh as long as he stays out of foul trouble. I assume at some point during the series Wade will guard Rose because Rose will abuse Arroyo/Chalmers.

I think the Celts and Magic can beat the Bulls in 6, the Heat in 7 and the Hawks will lose to them in 6 or 7. It won't be an easy series for any of the teams, but the Bulls currently aren't better than the Magic or Celts and I think the Heat will be right there by the time the playoffs start.

PS: I know I went overboard with the Bulls bashing, but that other guy pisses me off.

im sorry, did i say anything about howards defense??? didnt mention it once, i never said anything about him on D

but do u really think that the magic will dare put him on boozer, while boozer hangs around 18" feet out???

they are going to put bass on him, and he cant stop him either

its like saying that the magic are playing the mavericks, and they are going to put howard on dirk because he is the best defender in the league

howard is a shot blocker, hes gunna stay around the basket, not the perimeter

as i said, boozer will have his way with the magic

D1JM
11-30-2010, 03:48 PM
Boozer has never played with a true center. Let's wait and see how it works out it first

Double_R
11-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Right, it's not like he's a 2-time DPOY and currently the leading candidate for MVP and DPOY this season... OH WAIT, HE IS!

With this post, I'm done arguing with you, you obviously are a dumb little kid who's probably dropped out of school to come talk about basketball on a forum.



Dwight's h2h vs Noah is as follows:
Dwight: 19ppg-13rpg-1.5apg-1spg-2bpg
Noah: 8ppg-6rpg-1apg-1spg-0.5bpg

Would say that's playing well against Dwight and when I said Boozer struggles against bigger defenders, I meant Dwight and KG, not Bosh, I think he can outplay Bosh as long as he stays out of foul trouble. I assume at some point during the series Wade will guard Rose because Rose will abuse Arroyo/Chalmers.

I think the Celts and Magic can beat the Bulls in 6, the Heat in 7 and the Hawks will lose to them in 6 or 7. It won't be an easy series for any of the teams, but the Bulls currently aren't better than the Magic or Celts and I think the Heat will be right there by the time the playoffs start.

PS: I know I went overboard with the Bulls bashing, but that other guy pisses me off.

Raph shutting it down as usual!!!

If you don't think that DH is worthy of a dbl team you are as stupid as that post. Watch some Magic games before you post... Bulls are 3rd or 4th, but once Miami gets it together, the Bulls will be 5th best record, 4th best team. I do however think that the Bulls have young guys with a bright future, but let's not get carried away. Another problem I have with the Bulls is that I think Rose is an absolute beast, but I also see guys like him have problems making their teams better in the playoffs. He is a me first pg and that usually doesn't bode well for the deep playoff runs.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:50 PM
Boozer has never played with a true center. Let's wait and see how it works out it first

its gunna be magical, the best pf center combo, outside of mavericks, celtics, lakers( not in order ofcourse)

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 03:50 PM
when did the pacers become a good team again?

and how do the bulls magically end up facing them????

1. cp3

2. williams

3. rondo

4. westbrook

5. rose

6. nash

so you are right, hes not top 4, hes top 5, but hes #2 in the east, which is all that matters

what? you said westbrook is better then rose? TRAITOR!!!! :mad: IT's not true

Dr Cyanide 28
11-30-2010, 03:52 PM
dontzz be hatenz onz us cuz wez is da best evaa! da bulllzzz

Raph12
11-30-2010, 03:52 PM
im sorry, did i say anything about howards defense??? didnt mention it once, i never said anything about him on D

but do u really think that the magic will dare put him on boozer, while boozer hangs around 18" feet out???

they are going to put bass on him, and he cant stop him either

its like saying that the magic are playing the mavericks, and they are going to put howard on dirk because he is the best defender in the league

howard is a shot blocker, hes gunna stay around the basket, not the perimeter

as i said, boozer will have his way with the magic

He guarded Boozer against Utah, he'll do it against Chitown and his offense has been just as unstoppable to the Bulls a 19ppg on 60+FG%. Dwight doesn't guard Dirk because Dirk shoots 3s at a high clip, Boozer has an inconsistent 15-18' jumper which is slow-release enough for him to guard despite playing off-ball.

Watch Dwight vs Utah last year, he blocks shots, protects the paint and still locks down Boozer. That's why he's a 2-time DPOY, because he can guard his man and protect the rim simulatneously.

Double_R
11-30-2010, 03:53 PM
when did the pacers become a good team again?

and how do the bulls magically end up facing them????

1. cp3

2. williams

3. rondo

4. westbrook

5. rose

6. nash

so you are right, hes not top 4, hes top 5, but hes #2 in the east, which is all that matters

My gripe with Rose is he might be top 2 as far as talent, but he doesn't seem to be top 7 in making others around him that much better. I think the difference between Rose and the players you listed is that all of them seem to elevate the players around them more than he does.

Oh yea and Pacers could very well be the 5th seed and play the 4th seed(probably the Bulls) so that is where he probably got that.

Darren Collison is another pg that seems to elevate his teammates play.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:53 PM
lets be real guys: Who are the magic?????

they cant beat the celtics unless Kg is injured

they will have trouble with miami like everyone else will

they are a 1 trick pony imo, all they can do is shoot

they only reason they are even considered contenders is caus they beat the celtics that year

it took them 7 games to do it, beat a team without its best defender nd 2nd best player at the time

who is orlando???? lets see them beat a team at full strength, thats not name the bobcats or hawks

TopsyTurvy
11-30-2010, 03:54 PM
No one really mentioned that the Magic have one of the best benches in the league. They will get far in the playoffs on that alone...

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:55 PM
My gripe with Rose is he might be top 2 as far as talent, but he doesn't seem to be top 7 in making others around him that much better. I think the difference between Rose and the players you listed is that all of them seem to elevate the players around them more than he does.

who is rose playing with right now??? deng, noah, korver

while rondo has a bunch of former all stars

utah has jefferson and milsap

chris paul, well cp3 is just cp3 so ill leave dat alone

you act like he playing with other good players

he is our main scorer, if he doesnt score, our chances of winning decrease greatly

hes not playing with durant

Chronz
11-30-2010, 03:55 PM
:worthy: Bulls.

Actually, they definitely are RIGHT NOW. I still believe the Heat will figure things out and eventually be a true contender, but right now, by default, of course they are.

What makes you think they arent better already, to me the Heat have been the 4th best team in the league.

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 03:56 PM
Hey look, another ignorant Celtics fan who would gargle Rondo's balls if he was given the chance to!

Ignorant how? You are ignorant if you think I would garlge Rondos balls. Rondo is extremely overrated, but nonetheless still way better than Rose.


lol, u sound like an od hater, mad we took yall to 7 a few years ago???

bucks! they are the most dissapointing team this year, i expected much more from them so far, but as far as i see now, there is no reason to fear the deer

pacers????? :facepalm:

Im not mad at all because last time I checked the Celtics still won the series without KG and with their best two bench players being Mikki Moore and Stephon Marbury


These are Bulls fans, the most homerish fans ever.
They already want to say their team is the best and praise Rose as 2nd MJ.
They already want to call him best player in the NBA, despite the fact he is not even top 3 or 4 point guard in the league.
Would be fun watching them knocked off in first round by Indiana or Atlanta.

Well said my friend, well said.

bovice163
11-30-2010, 03:56 PM
He guarded Boozer against Utah, he'll do it against Chitown and his offense has been just as unstoppable to the Bulls a 19ppg on 60+FG%. Dwight doesn't guard Dirk because Dirk shoots 3s at a high clip, Boozer has an inconsistent 15-18' jumper which is slow-release enough for him to guard despite playing off-ball.

Watch Dwight vs Utah last year, he blocks shots, protects the paint and still locks down Boozer. That's why he's a 2-time DPOY, because he can guard his man and protect the rim simulatneously.

There is no doubt in my mind that Dwight will most likely wreak havoc on the Bulls, but I think people forget that he will be dealing with Noah for the most part, and then trying to protect the rim from Booz and Rose. Dwight is easily the greatest defensive presence in the league, but he will have trouble guarding all three of those guys since they tend to score a majority of their points in the paint/post. If Thibs has shown anything so far, is that he can help improve nearly every players defense, and I don't think Boozer is any different. Booz will by no means stop Dwight, but if he can slow him down somewhat and then have Noah do the rest, D12 is really going to have his hands full.

The Celtics showed exactly what several expendable big men can do to Dwight in the POs.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:56 PM
No one really mentioned that the Magic have one of the best benches in the league. They will get far in the playoffs on that alone...

jj reddick who is shooting 35 percent, duhon, bass, gortat, peeches

thats a bench?????

2 3pt shooters, 2 rebounders, and duhon?

thats a bench now????

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 03:59 PM
what? you said westbrook is better then rose? TRAITOR!!!! :mad: IT's not true

he is, because is a better rebounder atm, and he has durant so i ll give him that

mind you that rose isnt playing with an allstar atm, nd westbrook is

so its not treason, im being realistic

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:00 PM
lets be real guys: Who are the magic?????

they cant beat the celtics unless Kg is injured

they will have trouble with miami like everyone else will

they are a 1 trick pony imo, all they can do is shoot

they only reason they are even considered contenders is caus they beat the celtics that year

it took them 7 games to do it, beat a team without its best defender nd 2nd best player at the time

who is orlando???? lets see them beat a team at full strength, thats not name the bobcats or hawks

The Magic are the team that beat the Cavs with Lebron playing the best basketball of his career at the time. The Magic are the team that made it to the ECFs last season, rolling over their first two opponents. No they didn't beat Boston, but Chicago got destroyed by the Cavs and the Celts WITHOUT KG!!! so who are you to talk?

Let me ask you a question: WHO ARE THE BULLS?!?!... Here is the answer: they're the team that hasn't made it out of the second round since 1998. You know when that was, you remember, it was when Jordan left and you guys became irrelevant.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:00 PM
Regarding Howard,

The Bulls have struggled against the Magic because of him. But this year is different for a lot reasons.

1) Rose has one of the best mid-range jumpers in the game. Rose doesn't have to drive the lane where Howard will be waiting. If you remember, Howard actually injured Rose last year in the paint.

2) The Bulls have one of the best pick n roll trio in the league. Notice i say trio. Thibideau likes to bull rush the 4 and the 5 to the top of the key, in this case Noah and Boozer, and allow Rose to pick and choose which guy to set the pick. At the very least, Howard has to commit to the free throw line which opens of the lane. This poses 3 threats, Rose driving to the lane, Boozer pick n popping, and Noah slashing to the rim for rebounds when Howard is vacant. And if Howard and the Magic do everything right on defense, that will still leave Noah with a wide open jumper at the elbow which Noah has shown he can hit with consistency.

It's going to be interesting to see how Orlando tries to defend this, i don't know if they can.

bovice163
11-30-2010, 04:01 PM
Ignorant how? You are ignorant if you think I would garlge Rondos balls. Rondo is extremely overrated, but nonetheless still way better than Rose.



Im not mad at all because last time I checked the Celtics still won the series without KG and with their best two bench players being Mikki Moore and Stephon Marbury



Well said my friend, well said.
Whatever you say man, there's obviously no use arguing with you let alone debating.

And just for the record, Rondo is not overrated. The only time he is overrated is when people say he will surpass Stockton and Magics assists totals and blah blah blah. The real basketball fans know how good Rondo is.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:03 PM
The Magic are the team that beat the Cavs with Lebron playing the best basketball of his career at the time. The Magic are the team that made it to the ECFs last season, rolling over their first two opponents. No they didn't beat Boston, but Chicago got destroyed by the Cavs so who are you to talk?

Let me ask you a question: WHO ARE THE BULLS?!?!... Here is the answer: they're the team that hasn't made it out of the second round since 1998. You know when that was, you remember, it was when Jordan left and you guys became irrelevant.

so they beat the cavs, who were led by lebron and who else??? illgalskus???

they made it to the ECF by default, caus kg was injured, and the cavs were knocked out the following year

chicago, led by a sophomore, and noah, got beat by the 2nd best team in the east last year. am i supposed to feel bad????? am i supposed to feel bad that rose, flip murray, noah and deng couldnt beat one of the best teams in the east????:eyebrow:

D1JM
11-30-2010, 04:03 PM
He guarded Boozer against Utah, he'll do it against Chitown and his offense has been just as unstoppable to the Bulls a 19ppg on 60+FG%. Dwight doesn't guard Dirk because Dirk shoots 3s at a high clip, Boozer has an inconsistent 15-18' jumper which is slow-release enough for him to guard despite playing off-ball.

Watch Dwight vs Utah last year, he blocks shots, protects the paint and still locks down Boozer. That's why he's a 2-time DPOY, because he can guard his man and protect the rim simulatneously.

He guarded boozer because Utah had no true center.

Boozer shots above league for power forwards from 16-23 feet last year so how is he inconsistent?

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:04 PM
Regarding Howard,

The Bulls have struggled against the Magic because of him. But this year is different for a lot reasons.

1) Rose has one of the best mid-range jumpers in the game. Rose doesn't have to drive the lane where Howard will be waiting. If you remember, Howard actually injured Rose last year in the paint.

2) The Bulls have one of the best pick n roll trio in the league. Notice i say trio. Thibideau likes to bull rush the 4 and the 5 to the top of the key, in this case Noah and Boozer, and allow Rose to pick and choose which guy to set the pick. At the very least, Howard has to commit to the free throw line which opens of the lane. This poses 3 threats, Rose driving to the lane, Boozer pick n popping, and Noah slashing to the rim for rebounds when Howard is vacant. And if Howard and the Magic do everything right on defense, that will still leave Noah with a wide open jumper at the elbow which Noah has shown he can hit with consistency.

It's going to be interesting to see how Orlando tries to defend this, i don't know if they can.

as i said, the only team im afraid of is boston, the best team in the east and arguably the best team in the NBA

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:05 PM
He guarded boozer because Utah had no true center.

Boozer shots above league for power forwards from 16-23 feet last year so how is he inconsistent?

i didnt even respond because of the ignorance in his post

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:06 PM
My gripe with Rose is he might be top 2 as far as talent, but he doesn't seem to be top 7 in making others around him that much better. I think the difference between Rose and the players you listed is that all of them seem to elevate the players around them more than he does.

Oh yea and Pacers could very well be the 5th seed and play the 4th seed(probably the Bulls) so that is where he probably got that.

Darren Collison is another pg that seems to elevate his teammates play.

so the pacers are better than hawks, bucks, knicks, cavs, and all the other teams in the east
:speechless:
ooooooooookkkkkkkkkkkkkkaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy

TopsyTurvy
11-30-2010, 04:07 PM
jj reddick who is shooting 35 percent, duhon, bass, gortat, peeches

thats a bench?????

2 3pt shooters, 2 rebounders, and duhon?

thats a bench now????

If you can't see how that bench would outperform the Bulls bench, I can't help you. I'm a die hard bulls fan and I would still take Gortat over Asik, Duhon over CJ (unless CJ is randomly taking over the game - a real rarity), and Pietrus over any of the remaining players on the Bulls bench. The only advantage the Bulls have when the second unit hits the floor is Taj and even that could be offset by Bass playing well.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:08 PM
He guarded boozer because Utah had no true center.

Boozer shots above league for power forwards from 16-23 feet last year so how is he inconsistent?

Inconsistent enough for Dwight to offer the jumper with a hand up and for him to miss. When he's guarded Dirk (clutch moments), he had to stick on him like glue, doesn't have to do that for Boozer.


so they beat the cavs, who were led by lebron and who else??? illgalskus???

they made it to the ECF by default, caus kg was injured, and the cavs were knocked out the following year

chicago, led by a sophomore, and noah, got beat by the 2nd best team in the east last year. am i supposed to feel bad????? am i supposed to feel bad that rose, flip murray, noah and deng couldnt beat one of the best teams in the east????:eyebrow:

Yeah and that same Cavs team beat your lowly Bulls and the Celts beat you guys as well, without KG.

No you got beat by the Cavs, who we beat the year prior in 6 (5 if LBJ didn't hit the game winner), the Cavs were garbage and you guys were worse because they spanked you.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:09 PM
If you can't see how that bench would outperform the Bulls bench, I can't help you. I'm a die hard bulls fan and I would still take Gortat over Asik, Duhon over CJ (unless CJ is randomly taking over the game - a real rarity), and Pietrus over any of the remaining players on the Bulls bench. The only advantage the Bulls have when the second unit hits the floor is Taj.

so im gathering that petrius is better than korver, duhon and his bad back is better than CJ?

ooooooooooookkkk

im not saying that the magic have a bad bench or anything, but realisticaly, with their playstyle, lol, ill take my bulls bench over them any day of the week

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:11 PM
How have the Magic gotten any better?

Baller1
11-30-2010, 04:11 PM
For those of you claiming that Orlando is nothing to fear, I hope you're kidding. Stop with the ignorance. It's getting really annoying. The best defensive player in the league, multiple sharp shooters, and great role players, and you're "not afraid"?! Got out of here.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:11 PM
Inconsistent enough for Dwight to offer the jumper with a hand up and for him to miss. When he's guarded Dirk (clutch moments), he had to stick on him like glue, doesn't have to do that for Boozer.



Yeah and that same Cavs team beat your lowly Bulls and the Celts beat you guys as well, without KG.

No you got beat by the Cavs, who we beat the year prior in 6 (5 if LBJ didn't hit the game winner), the Cavs were garbage and you guys were worse because they spanked you.

yea, so the cavs taking 6 to beat my bulls who were being run by rose, deng and FLIP MURRAY shows that my bulls are trash.

so being the 8th seed nd getting beat by the 1st seed in 6 makes us bad

ooooooooooookk

and the celtics beating us, without kg, while we had rookie derrick rose and ben gordan in 7 also shows how trash we are

nice logic kiddo;)

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:14 PM
For those of you claiming that Orlando is nothing to dear, I hope you're kidding. Stop with the ignorance. It's gets really annoying. The best defensive player in the league, multiple sharp shooters, and great role players, and you're "not afraid"?! Got out of here.

why should we be afraid of a center with no post game, and a bunch of shooters who on any night can cost them a game if they dont knock down those 3s

oook

stop acting like he is the 2nd coming of shaq, caus hes obviously not

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:14 PM
yea, so the cavs taking 6 to beat my bulls who were being run by rose, deng and FLIP MURRAY shows that my bulls are trash.

so being the 8th seed nd getting beat by the 1st seed in 6 makes us bad

ooooooooooookk

and the celtics beating us, without kg, while we had rookie derrick rose and ben gordan in 7 also shows how trash we are

nice logic kiddo;)

Actually yes, your so-called MVP Rose and your DPOY Noah couldn't stop LBJ and who Ilgauskas (sound familiar?)... The Celts beat you guys without KG... We beat both teams you guys lost to and you're critisizing us?... Nice logic kiddo.

Baller1
11-30-2010, 04:14 PM
How have the Magic gotten any better?

An improved Dwight Howard, a healthy Jameer Nelson, and a vengeful/hungry team of veterans like Lewis and Carter.

Double_R
11-30-2010, 04:14 PM
lets be real guys: Who are the magic?????

they cant beat the celtics unless Kg is injured

they will have trouble with miami like everyone else will

they are a 1 trick pony imo, all they can do is shoot

they only reason they are even considered contenders is caus they beat the celtics that year

it took them 7 games to do it, beat a team without its best defender nd 2nd best player at the time it also took Boston 7 games to lose to a team without it's allstar pg

who is orlando???? lets see them beat a team at full strength, thats not name the bobcats or hawks

I mean the Magic have had one of the top 2 defenses overall and in just about every category the last 3 years, so I would say that you don't really know that much about the Magic. Yea they played bad against the Celtics early and it cost them, but if you think that they can't beat a team like the Celtics or the Lakers, their defense says otherwise.

Last year
#1 in SRS
#1 in opp fg%
#3 in def rating(100 poss)
#1 in Opponent Effective FG%
#1 def rebound %
#5 FT/FG att
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html


2 years ago
#1 in Defensive Rating
#1 in Opponent Effective FG%
#4 in Opponent ft per fg attempt
#2 in opp 3pt %
#3 in opp fg%
#3 in opp ft%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html

Kingdre has less actual knowledge of basketball than anyone who has ever posted... You should have to watch a minimum of 10 games of a team before posting...

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:15 PM
How have the Magic gotten any better?

i dont see how a team can lose in the conference and not try to get better

i guess duhon nd richardson are enough to beat miami, and chicago, much less boston,lol

how are the magic contenders again tho???

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:17 PM
Kingdre, you're obviously passionate about your team and it's true what they say, love is blind because you're not seeing any of the other teams... It's you, yourself and your Bulls.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:17 PM
An improved Dwight Howard, a healthy Jameer Nelson, and a vengeful/hungry team of veterans like Lewis and Carter.

I don't see how that puts them over the top.

Baller1
11-30-2010, 04:17 PM
why should we be afraid of a center with no post game, and a bunch of shooters who on any night can cost them a game if they dont knock down those 3s

oook

stop acting like he is the 2nd coming of shaq, caus hes obviously not

The ignorance is spewing out of you right now. Jesus.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:18 PM
Actually yes, your so-called MVP Rose and your DPOY Noah couldn't stop LBJ and who Ilgauskas (sound familiar?)... The Celts beat you guys without KG... We beat both teams you guys lost to and you're critisizing us?... Nice logic kiddo.

so us having a rookie when we faced the celtics, noah wasnt good then, and ben gordan, and we took them to 7

while you guys had "MVP CANDIDATE, GREATEST CENTER IN THE NBA" dwight howard, turgolu, nelson, lewis and took them to 7

who looks worse????

since when does noah play sf nd guard lebron????

ur not making any sense here

are you trying to say that our team was on the same level as the magic the past few years???

i dont get it

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:18 PM
How have the Magic gotten any better?

Why don't you ask your Heat trio, they got raped by Dwight anally both games... Ask them if he's not head-over-heels better.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:20 PM
I mean the Magic have had one of the top 2 defenses overall and in just about every category the last 3 years, so I would say that you don't really know that much about the Magic. Yea they played bad against the Celtics early and it cost them, but if you think that they can't beat a team like the Celtics or the Lakers, their defense says otherwise.

Last year
#1 in SRS
#1 in opp fg%
#3 in def rating(100 poss)
#1 in Opponent Effective FG%
#1 def rebound %
#5 FT/FG att
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2010.html


2 years ago
#1 in Defensive Rating
#1 in Opponent Effective FG%
#4 in Opponent ft per fg attempt
#2 in opp 3pt %
#3 in opp fg%
#3 in opp ft%
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009.html

Kingdre has less actual knowledge of basketball than anyone who has ever posted... You should have to watch a minimum of 10 games of a team before posting...

if your honestly trying to tell me that they can beat the celtics and lakers with that team, ur kidding both me and yourslef

they got lucky in 08, all the stars aligned and kg got injured and they beat the celtics, in 7

then they beat the lakers, who would have been destroyed by the celtics that year had they had kg

so its really not saying much

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:21 PM
Why don't you ask your Heat trio, they got raped by Dwight anally both games... Ask them if he's not head-over-heels better.

Who hasn't raped Miami in the paint?

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:21 PM
so us having a rookie when we faced the celtics, noah wasnt good then, and ben gordan, and we took them to 7

while you guys had "MVP CANDIDATE, GREATEST CENTER IN THE NBA" dwight howard, turgolu, nelson, lewis and took them to 7

who looks worse????

since when does noah play sf nd guard lebron????

ur not making any sense here

are you trying to say that our team was on the same level as the magic the past few years???

i dont get it

We won while you lost, despite any real scorer on the team (Dwight wasn't a scorer then 15ppg), so we look better.

Does Dwight play SF and guard Lebron? No, but his presence on the floor hurts Lebron's play.

I'm saying that we have playoffs experience and last year we had 8 new guys brought in and we still won 59 games. This year we have better chemistry and Dwight much more poised, mature and improved on both ends... We got much better, as did you guys, but as of right now, we're definitely the better team.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:22 PM
Why don't you ask your Heat trio, they got raped by Dwight anally both games... Ask them if he's not head-over-heels better.

and i get banned for using the "H" word, while he says anything he wants????

anyways, the magic are a great regular season team, the can win 60 games if they felt like it

but they cannot win series against the best teams

anyone looks good during the regular season, ask the mavs,lol

bears88
11-30-2010, 04:23 PM
These kind of threads never ends well.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:23 PM
Who hasn't raped Miami in the paint?

Nobody's done it like Dwight though, 19 first-half pts in game 1, 24pts in game 2 and his improvements are obvious... Even you can admit that.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:24 PM
and i get banned for using the "H" word, while he says anything he wants????

anyways, the magic are a great regular season team, the can win 60 games if they felt like it

but they cannot win series against the best teams

anyone looks good during the regular season, ask the mavs,lol

I agree, we can't beat the best teams in LA and Boston, but the Bulls and Heat are not a part of the "best teams" group... We lead the 2nd tier of top contenders.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:25 PM
We won while you lost, despite any real scorer on the team (Dwight wasn't a scorer then 15ppg), so we look better.

Does Dwight play SF and guard Lebron? No, but his presence on the floor hurts Lebron's play.

I'm saying that we have playoffs experience and last year we had 8 new guys brought in and we still won 59 games. This year we have better chemistry and Dwight much more poised, mature and improved on both ends... We got much better, as did you guys, but as of right now, we're definitely the better team.

so you had the better team, and beat the celtics in 7, we had the wors-er team and took them to 7

and you are comparing your magic, in the year they went to the finals, to an 8th seed team

your not making your magic look too good now

rose
murray
deng
noah

vs

alston
petrius
torgulou
lewis
howard
gortat
reddick

come on guy

u make no sense

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:25 PM
Nobody's done it like Dwight though, 19 first-half pts in game 1, 24pts in game 2 and his improvements are obvious... Even you can admit that.

I think he has improved, but how are the Magic going to stop the Bull's "double high" with Rose, Boozer, and Noah?

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:25 PM
stop bickering in here, or infractions are coming. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:27 PM
How can anyone here rationally provide evidence that the Bulls are a better team than the Magic? I am not reading through 4 pages of drivel.
The Magic have the better star. The better shooters. The better defense. The better bench. Am I missing anything?

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:27 PM
I agree, we can't beat the best teams in LA and Boston, but the Bulls and Heat are not a part of the "best teams" group... We lead the 2nd tier of top contenders.

well atleat you acknolowege dat ur team sucks

your top 2 after u proved it in the playoffs

were top 2 as well as miami, and we havent proved anything yet

im sure we and the heat will have fun leaving u in the dust

wait till yall get cp3 in the future b4 u compare urselfs to the elite in the east again

ManRam
11-30-2010, 04:28 PM
Kingdre is my new few favorite poster.

R,aph why do you even bother with him?

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:30 PM
How can anyone here rationally provide evidence that the Bulls are a better team than the Magic? I am not reading through 4 pages of drivel.
The Magic have the better star. The better shooters. The better defense. The better bench. Am I missing anything?

the magic are a great team, in the regular season

the bulls have played harder in series losses than the magic have in series wins

and we had terrible teams

now we have a good team, we will produce in the playoffs as well as the heat

the magic have done noting except take advantage of a team with an injured all star

then they say "we didnt have nelson that year so even if they had kg we wld hav beat them if we had nelson"

then the next year comes, the magic are "better" and healthy, go against the "old" celtics, and lose in 6

not even 7

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:31 PM
Kingdre is my new few favorite poster.

R,aph why do you even bother with him?

u are mine too

wait...didnt u die ????:p

or did u resurrect urself manram?

Double_R
11-30-2010, 04:32 PM
Kingdre is my new few favorite poster.

R,aph why do you even bother with him?

Word!

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:32 PM
well atleat you acknolowege dat ur team sucks

your top 2 after u proved it in the playoffs

were top 2 as well as miami, and we havent proved anything yet

im sure we and the heat will have fun leaving u in the dust

wait till yall get cp3 in the future b4 u compare urselfs to the elite in the east again

My team is a top 3-5 team in the league, you team is overrated, your star is overrated and your center is overrated.

You haven't proven anything or won anything so stop comparing to a proven winner.

If we're the one's who'll be left in the dust, why is your team running around throwing Deng at everyone trying to get a trade done, your mgmt knows you're not good enough to win, so he's trying to do what he can to get you to that level.

If we get CP3 or Melo, comparisons to the Bulls would be stupid, we'd be comparing ourselves only to LA and the Heat in a few years.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:32 PM
No one mentions that the Bulls haven't had a coach the past 2 season either. What a waste of 2 years of development.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:33 PM
I think he has improved, but how are the Magic going to stop the Bull's "double high" with Rose, Boozer, and Noah?

Dwight-Gortat lineup, Dwight shuts Boozer down, Gortat shuts Noah down (which isn't a difficult task). Both can protect the rim and Dwight can keep Rose shooting jumpers.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:34 PM
My team is a top 3-5 team in the league, you team is overrated, your star is overrated and your center is overrated.

You haven't proven anything or won anything so stop comparing to a proven winner.

If we're the one's who'll be left in the dust, why is your team running around throwing Deng at everyone trying to get a trade done, your mgmt knows you're not good enough to win, so he's trying to do what he can to get you to that level.

If we get CP3 or Melo, comparisons to the Bulls would be stupid, we'd be comparing ourselves only to LA and the Heat in a few years.

Now you're just allowing stupid people to make you say stupid stuff.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:34 PM
well atleat you acknolowege dat ur team sucks

your top 2 after u proved it in the playoffs

were top 2 as well as miami, and we havent proved anything yet

im sure we and the heat will have fun leaving u in the dust

wait till yall get cp3 in the future b4 u compare urselfs to the elite in the east again

what have the Bulls done except make highlight reels in the playoffs? The Magic have been to the finals, and lost 4-2 to the best team in the east last year, while posting a SRS that led the league last year.
They have been a better team, and will probably be again. Reddick and Lewis will start to regress to their means shooting wise, which means THEY WILL IMPROVE. That is how it works.

The addition of Boozer is absolutely a big help. But you get minimal scoring out of 2 positions (C/SG), and rely simply on Rose breakdowns, Deng having efficient games, and Noah owning the offensive glass come playoff time. The Magic are not going to be a good matchup for the Bulls.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:35 PM
Dwight-Gortat lineup, Dwight shuts Boozer down, Gortat shuts Noah down (which isn't a difficult task). Both can protect the rim and Dwight can keep Rose shooting jumpers.

?

So are you going to say something with substance or should i find someone else to have an intelligent conversation with?

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:36 PM
Now you're just allowing stupid people to make you say stupid stuff.

Sometimes when you're playing a weaker team, you end up playing to their level lol. :D

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:37 PM
the magic are a great team, in the regular season

the bulls have played harder in series losses than the magic have in series wins

and we had terrible teams

now we have a good team, we will produce in the playoffs as well as the heat

the magic have done noting except take advantage of a team with an injured all star

then they say "we didnt have nelson that year so even if they had kg we wld hav beat them if we had nelson"

then the next year comes, the magic are "better" and healthy, go against the "old" celtics, and lose in 6

not even 7

through all these pages, I have read only your "opinions". Where are your facts? Besides the obvious?

And how are the Bulls all of a sudden going to turn it on in the playoffs? Playing hard is nice. But I think you are overrating how efficient the Bulls were with that effort.

CityofTreez
11-30-2010, 04:38 PM
The Bulls almost lost to my Sac Kings three days ago. We outplayed them though 3 quarters and we suck!

I see Celtics, Heat, Magic, Hawks, and then the Bulls

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:39 PM
Orlando's biggest strength is Howard's defense, i just feel Chicago's double high controls that this year. And Chicago's defense is top 5 in the league which is the reason why they will go far.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:41 PM
The Bulls almost lost to my Sac Kings three days ago. We outplayed them though 3 quarters and we suck!

I see Celtics, Heat, Magic, Hawks, and then the Bulls

It was their last game of their circus trip, it happens. I think they showed great heart.

ManRam
11-30-2010, 04:41 PM
u are mine too

wait...didnt u die ????:p

or did u resurrect urself manram?

I was being completely sarcastic. You aren't defending your claims with any sort of sound argument, logic or stats. Your just said the magic aren't a go od playoff team. Didn't know making it to the finals and then the eastern conference finals was a bad thing

justinnum1
11-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Sometimes when you're playing a weaker team, you end up playing to their level lol. :D

lol :burn:

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Orlando's biggest strength is Howard's defense, i just feel Chicago's double high controls that this year. And Chicago's defense is top 5 in the league which is the reason why they will go far.

Its not just Howard. They have length, athletic ability, and a coach who holds his players accountable. Their paint protection has been the best in the NBA for two years. So you now become dependant on beating them from the perimeter. Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, etc, are about the only kind of guys that can beat the Magic. The Bulls don't have the perimeter weapons, nor depth, to beat the Magic in 7 games.

Raph12
11-30-2010, 04:43 PM
Orlando's biggest strength is Howard's defense, i just feel Chicago's double high controls that this year. And Chicago's defense is top 5 in the league which is the reason why they will go far.

If Dwight and the Magic can defend a double-high with Kobe, Pau and Bynum/Odom, I'm sure they can do it with Rose, Boozer and Noah. Dwight guard the guy slashing to the rim (Rose), while the PF (Shard/Bass) guards the cutter (Noah) and Nelson momentarily guards the pass to the popper (Boozer)... After they reset, they make the necessary switches.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Its not just Howard. They have length, athletic ability, and a coach who holds his players accountable. Their paint protection has been the best in the NBA for two years. So you now become dependant on beating them from the perimeter. Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, etc, are about the only kind of guys that can beat the Magic. The Bulls don't have the perimeter weapons, nor depth, to beat the Magic in 7 games.

http://www.jes-basketball.com/animated/poffense1-4doublehigh.html

i ask again, how do you stop that.

Baller1
11-30-2010, 04:46 PM
Kingdre. Just stop, for everyone's sake. Your opinions are overshadowed by full proof fact, and that's not going to change.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:47 PM
If Dwight and the Magic can defend a double-high with Kobe, Pau and Bynum/Odom, I'm sure they can do it with Rose, Boozer and Noah. Dwight guard the guy slashing to the rim (Rose), while the PF (Shard/Bass) guards the cutter (Noah) and Nelson momentarily guards the pass to the popper (Boozer)... After they reset, they make the necessary switches.

The Laker don't run a double-high. They are a basic triangle.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:48 PM
The Bulls almost lost to my Sac Kings three days ago. We outplayed them though 3 quarters and we suck!

I see Celtics, Heat, Magic, Hawks, and then the Bulls

so im guessing the raptors are better than the celts caus they beat em last week too right ;);););););)

this is the regular season, anyone can beat anyone now

D1JM
11-30-2010, 04:49 PM
:)

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:49 PM
I was being completely sarcastic. You aren't defending your claims with any sort of sound argument, logic or stats. Your just said the magic aren't a go od playoff team. Didn't know making it to the finals and then the eastern conference finals was a bad thing

as i said...: DIDNT YOU DIE ????? R.I.P to manram????:cry:

wat happened to all that crap i herd over the summer:clap::clap:

>>>>:speechless:

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 04:52 PM
http://www.jes-basketball.com/animated/poffense1-4doublehigh.html

i ask again, how do you stop that.

By having mobile big men who don't need to come all the way out. It was just said in another post. I mean, has it not been shown in the NBA, that the offense isn't as important as the personal running it?
I really don't think the Magic will have a lot of problems stopping it

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 04:53 PM
im not saying the bulls are the best in the nba

what im saying is in a 7 game series, they can handle most of the teams in the east

thats all, simple fact

when you add a 25ppg pg, and a 20/10 pf, and surround them with deng, gibson, noah, korver

and you compare em to a team whose best player has no post game, and 2nd best player shows up once inna blue moon in the playoffs, its ridicolous

thats all

i dont see who is going to guard boozer and rose, i dont see it happening

Dnovakovic099
11-30-2010, 04:58 PM
Ignorant how? You are ignorant if you think I would garlge Rondos balls. Rondo is extremely overrated, but nonetheless still way better than Rose.



Im not mad at all because last time I checked the Celtics still won the series without KG and with their best two bench players being Mikki Moore and Stephon Marbury



Well said my friend, well said.

Here is some stats for you haters that say Boozer struggles against big defenders:

Kevin Garnett : 14.3 ppg 7.3 rpg 2.7 apg 1.0 spg 0.8 bpg 52% FG 84% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Andrew Bogut: 15.9 ppg 10.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.6 spg 2.5 bpg 52% FG 63 % FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Tim Duncan : 17.9 ppg 10.7 rpg 3.2 apg 0.6 spg 1.5 bpg 52% FG 72% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% F

Amar'e Stoudemire : 23.1 ppg 8.9 rpg 1.0 apg 0.6 spg 1.0 bpg 55% FG 77% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Pau Gasol: 18.3 ppg 11.3 rpg 3.4 apg 0.6 spg 1.7 bpg 54% FG 79% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Dwight Howard: 18.3 ppg 13.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.9 spg 2.8 bpg 61% FG 59% FT

Carlos Boozer 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT



What was that about Dwight shutting down Boozer?

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 04:58 PM
By having mobile big men who don't need to come all the way out. It was just said in another post. I mean, has it not been shown in the NBA, that the offense isn't as important as the personal running it?
I really don't think the Magic will have a lot of problems stopping it

They need to come out or its defensive 3 seconds.

And Rose is the best player in the league to run the double-high.

The fact is that Orlando has never stopped the double high. The only time they did it with some moderate success is when KG was out injured. That's how Boston beats the Magic, and i think thats how the Bulls beat the Magic this year. As usual, the Magic are going to have to live and die by the 3-ball to win.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 05:00 PM
They need to come out or its defensive 3 seconds.

And Rose is the best player in the league to run the double-high.

The fact is that Orlando has never stopped the double high. The only time they did it with some moderate success is when KG was out injured. That's how Boston beats the Magic, and i think thats how the Bulls beat the Magic this year.

I am aware of this. But the Bulls don't have the shooting ability, nor the IQ of the Boston Celtics. And their depth is a joke compared.

I am not saying its not possible. But looking at the last two years, and their rosters, I can't see the Bulls winning more than 2 games in a 7 game series against the Magic

Dnovakovic099
11-30-2010, 05:01 PM
HAHAHAHA you Bulls hater are ridiculous. I will make a sig bet with any user on here that the Bulls end up 4th in the Conference when it comes to standing. If you lose your sig has to be that you are a homer and no one should listen to your opinion. Also, where is that guy who said that Boozer struggles against Howard? Did you check the stats buddy? Also that moron who said the Bulls will struggle against the Bucks and Pacers. I am sorry buddy that your mom dropped you on your head when you were a kid. I really am.

Double_R
11-30-2010, 05:02 PM
Here is some stats for you haters that say Boozer struggles against big defenders:

Kevin Garnett : 14.3 ppg 7.3 rpg 2.7 apg 1.0 spg 0.8 bpg 52% FG 84% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Andrew Bogut: 15.9 ppg 10.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.6 spg 2.5 bpg 52% FG 63 % FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Tim Duncan : 17.9 ppg 10.7 rpg 3.2 apg 0.6 spg 1.5 bpg 52% FG 72% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% F

Amar'e Stoudemire : 23.1 ppg 8.9 rpg 1.0 apg 0.6 spg 1.0 bpg 55% FG 77% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Pau Gasol: 18.3 ppg 11.3 rpg 3.4 apg 0.6 spg 1.7 bpg 54% FG 79% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Dwight Howard: 18.3 ppg 13.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.9 spg 2.8 bpg 61% FG 59% FT

Carlos Boozer 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT



What was that about Dwight shutting down Boozer?

All this shows me is that Boozer is horrible at defense

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:03 PM
Here is some stats for you haters that say Boozer struggles against big defenders:

Kevin Garnett : 14.3 ppg 7.3 rpg 2.7 apg 1.0 spg 0.8 bpg 52% FG 84% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Andrew Bogut: 15.9 ppg 10.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.6 spg 2.5 bpg 52% FG 63 % FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Tim Duncan : 17.9 ppg 10.7 rpg 3.2 apg 0.6 spg 1.5 bpg 52% FG 72% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% F

Amar'e Stoudemire : 23.1 ppg 8.9 rpg 1.0 apg 0.6 spg 1.0 bpg 55% FG 77% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Pau Gasol: 18.3 ppg 11.3 rpg 3.4 apg 0.6 spg 1.7 bpg 54% FG 79% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Dwight Howard: 18.3 ppg 13.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.9 spg 2.8 bpg 61% FG 59% FT

Carlos Boozer 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT



What was that about Dwight shutting down Boozer?

dont bother, they think they are good because they beat a team without their 2nd best player, in 7 games

dont worry, no body believes in us, we embrace the underdog role

the bulls suck, we wont win 50 games, rose isnt a top 5 pg, boozer sucks

noah is overated

our coach sucks

we have no shooters

we cant get out the first round

keep it coming

remember, this is the same forum that says:

-durant is better than melo

-lebron is better than kobe

-wade is better than kobe

-dirk is better than pau

-williams is better than cp3

- the celtics are too old

-durant is an mvp candidate

-durant is the second coming

- the heat are the best team in the nba

- the heat will break 72

its ok bulls fans, nothing they say comes to pass, dont worry

our time is now

Dnovakovic099
11-30-2010, 05:04 PM
All this shows me is that Boozer is horrible at defense

Lol are you blind? So Howard is horrible at defense too because Boozer out scored him?

bovice163
11-30-2010, 05:04 PM
All this shows me is that Boozer is horrible at defense

Because defense is measured through steals and blocks. :rolleyes:

At this point, there really is no use arguing. You can post stats until you're blue in the face, but until these teams actually meet in the Playoffs and play a 7 game series then you guys can continue the bashfest.

Southsideheat
11-30-2010, 05:09 PM
I am aware of this. But the Bulls don't have the shooting ability, nor the IQ of the Boston Celtics. And their depth is a joke compared.

Their not as good at the 3-ball, but they have shooters. And the only depth that means anything in the playoffs is down low. Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Thomas and Asik are more than adequate.


I am not saying its not possible. But looking at the last two years, and their rosters, I can't see the Bulls winning more than 2 games in a 7 game series against the Magic

We didn't have a coach the past two years.

mikantsass
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
dont bother, they think they are good because they beat a team without their 2nd best player, in 7 games

dont worry, no body believes in us, we embrace the underdog role

the bulls suck, we wont win 50 games, rose isnt a top 5 pg, boozer sucks

noah is overated

our coach sucks

we have no shooters

we cant get out the first round

keep it coming

remember, this is the same forum that says:

-durant is better than melo

-lebron is better than kobe

-wade is better than kobe

-dirk is better than pau

-williams is better than cp3

- the celtics are too old

-durant is an mvp candidate

-durant is the second coming

- the heat are the best team in the nba

- the heat will break 72

its ok bulls fans, nothing they say comes to pass, dont worry

our time is now

People are realists, not biased ******** fanboys such as 97% of the Bulls fans. Just because 100% of people NOT Bulls fans disagree with you, it doesnt mean they are haters. It means you are WRONG

Double_R
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
Lol are you blind? So Howard is horrible at defense too because Boozer out scored him?

Yea I'm blind.

Because all I see is that Boozer shot 56% while Dwight shot 61%. Last I checked that Boozer wasn't guarding him while he was shooting free throws and vise versa. Boozer only outscored him because of the ft%.

Either way all you have showed me is that a bunch of big men put up really nice numbers against Boozer. Cool, good job.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
Their not as good at the 3-ball, but they have shooters. And the only depth that means anything in the playoffs is down low. Noah, Boozer, Gibson, Thomas and Asik are more than adequate.



We didn't have a coach the past two years.

we didnt have a team the past 2 years:clap:

Raph12
11-30-2010, 05:10 PM
Here is some stats for you haters that say Boozer struggles against big defenders:

Kevin Garnett : 14.3 ppg 7.3 rpg 2.7 apg 1.0 spg 0.8 bpg 52% FG 84% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Andrew Bogut: 15.9 ppg 10.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.6 spg 2.5 bpg 52% FG 63 % FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Tim Duncan : 17.9 ppg 10.7 rpg 3.2 apg 0.6 spg 1.5 bpg 52% FG 72% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% F

Amar'e Stoudemire : 23.1 ppg 8.9 rpg 1.0 apg 0.6 spg 1.0 bpg 55% FG 77% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Pau Gasol: 18.3 ppg 11.3 rpg 3.4 apg 0.6 spg 1.7 bpg 54% FG 79% FT

Carlos Boozer: 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT

Dwight Howard: 18.3 ppg 13.2 rpg 1.8 apg 0.9 spg 2.8 bpg 61% FG 59% FT

Carlos Boozer 19.5 ppg 11.2 rpg 3.2 apg 1.1 spg 0.5 bpg 56% FG 74% FT



What was that about Dwight shutting down Boozer?

So you're comparing season stats to compare how Boozer plays against bigger defenders? :laugh2::laugh::laugh2:

H2h Dwight outscored Boozer 20.5ppg on 58% shooting to 18.5ppg on 46% shooting..

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:12 PM
People are realists, not biased ******** fanboys such as 97% of the Bulls fans. Just because 100% of people NOT Bulls fans disagree with you, it doesnt mean they are haters. It means you are WRONG

as i said, nothing you guys says comes to pass

u guys flip-flop more than espn analysts,lol

Mark Jackson 1st round 09-10 playoffs "Lebron James is the best player in the game"

Mark Jackson the moment lebron got knocked out " Kobe bryant is the best player on the planet"

dtmagnet
11-30-2010, 05:13 PM
You could argue the Heat and Hawks are better if they ever get their acts together.

Draco
11-30-2010, 05:16 PM
People are realists, not biased ******** fanboys such as 97% of the Bulls fans. Just because 100% of people NOT Bulls fans disagree with you, it doesnt mean they are haters. It means you are WRONG

This coming from the guy who can't recognize the difference between 48% and 40%

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:17 PM
You could argue the Heat and Hawks are better if they ever get their acts together.

please stop it with the hawks :facepalm:

were talking about teams that matter in this thread

heat, magic, bulls, celts

Raph12
11-30-2010, 05:20 PM
Why don't we just let it play out and come back to this during the AS break... Then we'll have a better idea of who's better than whom.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:22 PM
Why don't we just let it play out and come back to this during the AS break... Then we'll have a better idea of who's better than whom.

fine with me, things wont change, magic will still be the best regular season team in the east

but when the playoffs come, itl be the same story it always is

Draco
11-30-2010, 05:25 PM
Why don't we just let it play out and come back to this during the AS break... Then we'll have a better idea of who's better than whom.

There's an idea lol

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:27 PM
There's an idea lol

or we cld wait till we smack them this week, without boozer

then u can see the celts catch it on friday too:D

Stunner
11-30-2010, 05:28 PM
To be honest Magic are a great reg season team, but always in the playoffs the last couple of years they have a cake walks to the Finals. Its not like they are the Lakers who have to play Durant in the 1st, D-Will in the 2nd, and the Spurs in the 3rd. Magic face Hawks nuff said Joe Johnson chokes, 2nd Lebron and filler, and then lose to Boston or beat a injuried Boston team. Im jus being real they never really faced a real tough team in every series through the playoffs. I bet if they face Boston in the first they will lose. They are still great team i jus need to see them face a team thats not slacking come playoff time, but then its not thier fault if the other team doesnt show up.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:29 PM
To be honest Magic are a great reg season team, but always in the playoffs the last couple of years they have a cake walks to the Finals. Its not like they are the Lakers who have to play Durant in the 1st, D-Will in the 2nd, and the Spurs in the 3rd. Magic face Hawks nuff said Joe Johnson chokes, 2nd Lebron and filler, and then lose to Boston or beat a injuried Boston team. Im jus being real they never really faced a real tough team in every series through the playoffs. I bet if they face Boston in the first they will lose. They are still great team i jus need to see them face a team thats not slacking come playoff time, but then its not thier fault if the other team doesnt show up.

true

but the magic rarely show up too

atleast the past 2 years, we brought our toolbox and hard hat

Draco
11-30-2010, 05:30 PM
or we cld wait till we smack them this week, without boozer

then u can see the celts catch it on friday too:D

I'm definitely excited to see them make some noise!

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:31 PM
I'm definitely excited to see them make some noise!

whether boozer plays or not its going to be a great game

JordansBulls
11-30-2010, 05:32 PM
I agree, we can't beat the best teams in LA and Boston, but the Bulls and Heat are not a part of the "best teams" group... We lead the 2nd tier of top contenders.

I think you can beat the LAkers or Celtics. Don't see why not.

Stunner
11-30-2010, 05:32 PM
true

but the magic rarely show up too

atleast the past 2 years, we brought our toolbox and hard hat

Yea and didnt they almost lose to the 76'ers in the playoffs who they should have sweeped like they did the Hawks?

CityofTreez
11-30-2010, 05:33 PM
Why don't we just let it play out and come back to this during the AS break... Then we'll have a better idea of who's better than whom.

Won't happen. Kingdre won't last that long

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:34 PM
I think you can beat the LAkers or Celtics. Don't see why not.

i dont see y they can

lakers werent good in 08, the celts would have gone back ot back on em had they had kg that year and destroyed orlando

they couldnt beat boston last year

y would htey beat them now? the celts got better, the magic didnt

the lakers got better, the magic didnt

they can beat em in the reg season no problem tho

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:35 PM
Won't happen. Kingdre won't last that long

yes i will, they dont ban me for more than a month :cool:

so ill be back,lol

Super.
11-30-2010, 05:38 PM
I think you can beat the LAkers or Celtics. Don't see why not.

Last year and the year before beg to differ. Especially seeing how Boston definitely has the bigs to handle Dwight.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:39 PM
Last year and the year before beg to differ. Especially seeing how Boston definitely has the bigs to handle Dwight.

handlow what??????????????????????????? he has no post game!

DieHardCubFan
11-30-2010, 05:40 PM
Bulls are easily top 3.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 05:41 PM
handlow what??????????????????????????? he has no post game!

who has no post game?

Metsfan98
11-30-2010, 05:41 PM
If the Bulls can keep winning thenthey can be in first but that is going to kinda be hard because of the other good teams.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
who has no post game?

oh im sorry

BESIDES TIP INS

you happy?

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:43 PM
If the Bulls can keep winning thenthey can be in first but that is going to kinda be hard because of the other good teams.

we arent a #1 seed team, no way

not yet

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 05:44 PM
oh im sorry

BESIDES TIP INS

you happy?

are you referring to Dwight? I am seriously asking. If so, please provide evidence why

D Roses Bulls
11-30-2010, 05:46 PM
who in the hell is this dwight howard I keep reading about???

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:47 PM
who in the hell is this dwight howard I keep reading about???

the guy who can only play one side of the floor properly

u kno him, the big monster guy who can only smile

Minimal
11-30-2010, 05:48 PM
who in the hell is this dwight howard I keep reading about???
The one who will kick your Roses Bulls ***** in the playoffs this year.

Stunner
11-30-2010, 05:50 PM
The one who will kick your Roses Bulls ***** in the playoffs this year.

:speechless: say it aint so!

Tony_Starks
11-30-2010, 05:51 PM
Nope. Boston, Orlando, Miami in that order.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 05:52 PM
The one who will kick your Roses Bulls ***** in the playoffs this year.

lol, yall wouldnt want it

Rndy
11-30-2010, 05:57 PM
the guy who can only play one side of the floor properly

u kno him, the big monster guy who can only smile

Thank you for only making Bulls fans seem less intelligent. A guy last year who posted a 630 ts% 612 eFG% TRB% 22 and a drtg 95. Which one side is that? Maybe next time look at things before saying stupid ****. :rolleyes:

Although tbh wouldn't surprise me one bit if you were another Heat fan with a Bulls login name. Wouldn't be the first.

*Superman*
11-30-2010, 05:58 PM
oh im sorry

BESIDES TIP INS

you happy?

Please watch a Magic game before you make a stupid post like that.

Super.
11-30-2010, 06:04 PM
handlow what??????????????????????????? he has no post game!

I have no idea what the hell your talking about. Shaq is playing far above what he was projected. Semih is picking up that 2nd unit slack.

Shaq is averaging 12.3 pts and 7 rebounds a game...in 22.7 minutes. And many time we've been running a KG at C and Davis at PF.

The Celtics have one of the best overall packages at C and PF with KG, Perkins (When healthy), Davis, JO, Shaq, and Semih.

Oh...and KG is back to 100%

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:05 PM
Thank you for only making Bulls fans seem less intelligent. A guy last year who posted a 630 ts% 612 eFG% TRB% 22 and a drtg 95. Which one side is that? Maybe next time look at things before saying stupid ****. :rolleyes:

Although tbh wouldn't surprise me one bit if you were another Heat fan with a Bulls login name. Wouldn't be the first.

refer to one of my earlier posts in which i said he has no post game and most of his points come from alley oops, tip ins and free throws

he has no post game, he got better this year, but doesnt warrant a dbl team

he is not shaq

when i see nelson pass it into howard and howard makes a move and shoots a hook or some other kind of shot and makes it on a consistent basis, then i will consider him a dominant offensive center

as far as im concerned, he needs to step up his offensive game

as i said he improved, but he doesnt warrant a dbl team, and never has

the only reason he gets dbl teams is caus teams dont have the height to combat him

when he plays teams like LA with bynum, and boston with their tandem, and scores 20 points the way past centers have( shaq, robinson, hakeem) then talk to me

imagine how great he would be if he had a post game

i mean blake griffin has a better offensive game than him, and hes less raw!

howards been in the league for wha? 6 years

im still waiting for him to become a beast

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:06 PM
I have no idea what the hell your talking about. Shaq is playing far above what he was projected. Semih is picking up that 2nd unit slack.

Shaq is averaging 12.3 pts and 7 rebounds a game...in 22.7 minutes. And many time we've been running a KG at C and Davis at PF.

The Celtics have one of the best overall packages at C and PF with KG, Perkins (When healthy), Davis, JO, Shaq, and Semih.

wat r u talking about????? did i say anything against boston???

ManRam
11-30-2010, 06:06 PM
Its blatantly evident that dre hasn't seen the magic play this year. I've been very hard on dwight in the past, ask raph, but this year his offensive game is incredibly improved. He's almost a new player. His left hand is insane. He can hit the tim duncan back shots. His hook shot is much improved. He does have a wide variety of moves. He's a well above average offensive player now...and that is just about a unanimous thought amongst all parties that have seen him play this year.

That's how we've improved. Jameer is also finally 100%, and paying incredibly well. Our defense is yet again a top 3-5 defense. We're as deep as any team there is. Bass is logging major minutes and baling hardcore now. That's another significant improvement. Carter was paying much better before his little injury.

How about you let your team accomplish something before you start talking with so much bias. The magic have accomplished so much more than your team. We can talk, you should wait a bit, because right now you just sound like a clown (dre).

Stunner
11-30-2010, 06:07 PM
i have no idea what the hell your talking about. Shaq is playing far above what he was projected. Semih is picking up that 2nd unit slack.

Shaq is averaging 12.3 pts and 7 rebounds a game...in 22.7 minutes. And many time we've been running a kg at c and davis at pf.

The celtics have one of the best overall packages at c and pf with kg, perkins (when healthy), davis, jo, shaq, and semih.

Oh...and kg is back to 100%

lmaooooooooooooooo yo sig

DaBear
11-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Why is everyone hating on the Bulls? If you don't think they're at least the 3rd best in the East RIGHT NOW, than you're clearly a hater. At the end of the season, Boston, Orlando, and probably Miami will finish better. You have to remember the Bulls are still playing well without their second best player. You can't say the same for a lot of other teams. If the Bulls make the Melo trade happen, than watch out.

DaBUU
11-30-2010, 06:08 PM
Nope. Boston, Orlando, Miami in that order.

oh yeah the Heat have been tough so far, no disagreement here. lmao

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:09 PM
Its blatantly evident that dre hasn't seen the magic play this year. I've been very hard on dwight in the past, ask raph, but this year his offensive game is incredibly improved. He's almost a new player. His left hand is insane. He can hit the tim duncan back shots. His hook shot is much improved. He does have a wide variety of moves. He's a well above average offensive player now...and that is just about a unanimous thought amongst all parties that have seen him play this year.

That's how we've improved. Jameer is also finally 100%, and paying incredibly well. Our defense is yet again a top 3-5 defense. We're as deep as any team there is. Bass is logging major minutes and baling hardcore now. That's another significant improvement. Carter was paying much better before his little injury.

How about you let your team accomplish something before you start talking with so much bias. The magic have accomplished so much more than your team. We can talk, you should wait a bit, because right now you just sound like a clown (dre).

yes, the magic are a great regular season team, how many times do i have to say that????

but who have they played?

the heat? who have no post D

and who else have they beat of note????

lets see his "left hand" on the celtics, on the lakers

on the rockets if yao is healthy,lol

on the bulls

Tony_Starks
11-30-2010, 06:10 PM
Its still very early my friend. A healthy Miami Heat in the playoffs will be nothing to scoff at......

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:10 PM
Why is everyone hating on the Bulls? If you don't think they're at least the 3rd best in the East RIGHT NOW, than you're clearly a hater. At the end of the season, Boston, Orlando, and probably Miami will finish better. You have to remember the Bulls are still playing well without their second best player. You can't say the same for a lot of other teams. If the Bulls make the Melo trade happen, than watch out.

no one is getting melo so lets get that fantasy out of the way

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:11 PM
Its still very early my friend. A healthy Miami Heat in the playoffs will be nothing to scoff at......

not scoffin, the big three are legit, its the other 9 im concerned about

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 06:12 PM
refer to one of my earlier posts in which i said he has no post game and most of his points come from alley oops, tip ins and free throws

he has no post game, he got better this year, but doesnt warrant a dbl team

he is not shaq

when i see nelson pass it into howard and howard makes a move and shoots a hook or some other kind of shot and makes it on a consistent basis, then i will consider him a dominant offensive center

as far as im concerned, he needs to step up his offensive game

as i said he improved, but he doesnt warrant a dbl team, and never has

the only reason he gets dbl teams is caus teams dont have the height to combat him

when he plays teams like LA with bynum, and boston with their tandem, and scores 20 points the way past centers have( shaq, robinson, hakeem) then talk to me

imagine how great he would be if he had a post game

i mean blake griffin has a better offensive game than him, and hes less raw!

howards been in the league for wha? 6 years

im still waiting for him to become a beast

You know 32% of his attempts come from outside that 5 foot area, and he hits 48.5% of those. 6 attempts a game from the 4-10 foot range, and hits 56% of those. Already hit 12 shots outside the paint this season, on pace for 62 makes outside the lane. Previous season high was 21. He is finishing at an all time high. And his PER is at an all time high, which is indicative of his better ability to CREATE HIS OWN SHOT.

I think you really need to watch him this season. His offensive game has taken a noticeable improvement.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 06:13 PM
Why is everyone hating on the Bulls? If you don't think they're at least the 3rd best in the East RIGHT NOW, than you're clearly a hater. At the end of the season, Boston, Orlando, and probably Miami will finish better. You have to remember the Bulls are still playing well without their second best player. You can't say the same for a lot of other teams. If the Bulls make the Melo trade happen, than watch out.

they aren't hating on the Bulls. They are addressing a poster who is blowing them up, even though they have proven nothing

ManRam
11-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Why is everyone hating on the Bulls? If you don't think they're at least the 3rd best in the East RIGHT NOW, than you're clearly a hater. At the end of the season, Boston, Orlando, and probably Miami will finish better. You have to remember the Bulls are still playing well without their second best player. You can't say the same for a lot of other teams. If the Bulls make the Melo trade happen, than watch out.

you just basically said that they could very well be the fourth best team at the end of the season. So are you a hater? I don't think many people here are saying they are any worse than 3 or 4. The problem is the fans who are already crowning them, and saying how they are all of a sudden better than orlando, something not one single sort of evidence suggests besides speculation and opinion. You can say you think they're better yes than orlando, but keep it a as an opinion for now and stop ****ing forcing your bias opinion down everyone's throat.

xxcubs22xx
11-30-2010, 06:14 PM
Yes, the Bulls are the 3rd best team in the league. At least. They have gotten this far without Boozer, amidst a tough schedule and a circus trip that has destroyed us in the past.

Someone said "Deng is pulling his weight, for the most part" Ok, so I guess his 19.3 ppg 6.9 rebounds per game and +17 EFF are nothing to shake a stick at?

And Noah...15.6 ppg, 13.2 rpg, +26 EFF...

I shouldn't have to bring up Rose's numbers...

And Thibs...You think he's just as effective at the helm as Vinny Del Negro?

Seems to me like many of you here need a reality check. Its no longer time to say that the Bulls are only 1st round playoff material...If anything, they stand to have a decent chance of making the ECF...Probably not beyond that, but this Bulls team is a lot scarier then you think.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:16 PM
You know 32% of his attempts come from outside that 5 foot area, and he hits 48.5% of those. 6 attempts a game from the 4-10 foot range, and hits 56% of those. Already hit 12 shots outside the paint this season, on pace for 62 makes outside the lane. Previous season high was 21. He is finishing at an all time high. And his PER is at an all time high, which is indicative of his better ability to CREATE HIS OWN SHOT.

I think you really need to watch him this season. His offensive game has taken a noticeable improvement.

noticable improvement while guarded by javale mcgee, varejao,illgalskus, blair,hibbert, whoevers playing center for the suns atm,marc gasol, brook lopez, barnani, jefferson,horford,nazi mohamed, brook lopez again,DARKO MILICIC, joel anthony,and Javale mcgee againn

yea, hes a legitimate superstar on offense, those are plenty of the leagues best defenders ;), especially milicic

justinnum1
11-30-2010, 06:18 PM
Yes, the Bulls are the 3rd best team in the league. At least. They have gotten this far without Boozer, amidst a tough schedule and a circus trip that has destroyed us in the past.

Someone said "Deng is pulling his weight, for the most part" Ok, so I guess his 19.3 ppg 6.9 rebounds per game and +17 EFF are nothing to shake a stick at?

And Noah...15.6 ppg, 13.2 rpg, +26 EFF...

I shouldn't have to bring up Rose's numbers...

And Thibs...You think he's just as effective at the helm as Vinny Del Negro?

Seems to me like many of you here need a reality check. Its no longer time to say that the Bulls are only 1st round playoff material...If anything, they stand to have a decent chance of making the ECF...Probably not beyond that, but this Bulls team is a lot scarier then you think.

:facepalm:

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:18 PM
you just basically said that they could very well be the fourth best team at the end of the season. So are you a hater? I don't think many people here are saying they are any worse than 3 or 4. The problem is the fans who are already crowning them, and saying how they are all of a sudden better than orlando, something not one single sort of evidence suggests besides speculation and opinion. You can say you think they're better yes than orlando, but keep it a as an opinion for now and stop ****ing forcing your bias opinion down everyone's throat.

how are we crowning htem???

all we are saying is htat we are better than a lackluster magic team that doesnt show up in the playoffs while we have fought hard, taken teams to 6 nd 7 games in the playoffs, without having a coach and an allstar pf, while hte magic are considered great for beating a team without its 2nd best player

simple statment

Hoopsadvocate
11-30-2010, 06:19 PM
I can answer this 2 ways. Pick either one

Like a bulls fan when anything about the HEAT is mentioned:

LMAO, No way they lost to ____ (insert random under .500 team) and rose has no _____(insert a flaw in his game which pretty much every player has and exaggerate it). And top it off with some suttle baiting towards the franchise/fan base.

Or like a reasonable person:

Nope, there still 4th in the standings so there not even 3rd right now and once u give the HEAT a chance to work out the kinks ,which a majority of reasonable people agree they will, then that bumps them off in the future. So either way no. If they ever are in between its by default. And truthfully to be considered "top" u have to end up there not place there in between. So again no.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:20 PM
:facepalm:

hows the ah "birth of a dynasty" going there?

justinnum1
11-30-2010, 06:21 PM
hows the ah "birth of a dynasty" going there?

Pretty good.

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:21 PM
I can answer this 2 ways. Pick either one

Like a bulls fan when anything about the HEAT is mentioned:

LMAO, No way they lost to ____ (insert random under .500 team) and rose has no _____(insert a flaw in his game which pretty much every player has and exaggerate it). And top it off with some suttle baiting towards the franchise/fan base.

Or like a reasonable person:

Nope, there still 4th in the standings so there not even 3rd right now and once u give the HEAT a chance to work out the kinks ,which a majority of reasonable people agree they will, then that bumps them off in the future. So either way no. If they ever are in between its by default. And truthfully to be considered "top" u have to end up there not place there in between. So again no.

the top can be chicago, miami and boston,lol, caus the magic arent going anywhere with the moves thay made,lol

but as i said, we are a top 3 team in the east atm, in terms of talent, not the record

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:22 PM
Pretty good.

bron bron gunna get lynched on thursday, dats 4 sure

gunna be the big 1.5, wade nd bosh

Cano4prez
11-30-2010, 06:23 PM
bron bron gunna get lynched on thursday, dats 4 sure

gunna be the big 1.5, wade nd bosh

Bosh is actually doing the best out of the big 3 atm

CityofTreez
11-30-2010, 06:23 PM
yes i will, they dont ban me for more than a month :cool:

so ill be back,lol

Keep telling yourself that!

Hawks get back to normal form, they can outplay the Bulls and their pathetic excuse for a defense!

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 06:23 PM
noticable improvement while guarded by javale mcgee, varejao,illgalskus, blair,hibbert, whoevers playing center for the suns atm,marc gasol, brook lopez, barnani, jefferson,horford,nazi mohamed, brook lopez again,DARKO MILICIC, joel anthony,and Javale mcgee againn

yea, hes a legitimate superstar on offense, those are plenty of the leagues best defenders ;), especially milicic

Milicic is acutally leading the league in blocks.
But 16 games is by FAR a big enough sample size.

Not really sure what your beef is with D12. Don't really care. You are a series of contradictions.

You appear to be someone who can't be convinced of something, even in D12 were to hit 3 bombs on the Bulls, and give them 44/24/9. It will still be something with you.

An improved Dwight, a healthy Nelson, shooters, defenders, and experience, to go with their depth, are going to be too much for the Bulls this year.

By the way, you actually listed a few of the better defenders at C in the NBA up there. Nice work!

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:25 PM
Milicic is acutally leading the league in blocks.
But 16 games is by FAR a big enough sample size.

Not really sure what your beef is with D12. Don't really care. You are a series of contradictions.

You appear to be someone who can't be convinced of something, even in D12 were to hit 3 bombs on the Bulls, and give them 44/24/9. It will still be something with you.

An improved Dwight, a healthy Nelson, shooters, defenders, and experience, to go with their depth, are going to be too much for the Bulls this year.

By the way, you actually listed a few of the better defenders at C in the NBA up there. Nice work!

when they beat a team not named miami, lemme kno, id love to see those numbers agains shaq or bynum wen he gets back, much less noah tomorrow,lol

Kingdre619
11-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Bosh is actually doing the best out of the big 3 atm

keep thinking that

Minimal
11-30-2010, 06:26 PM
bron bron gunna get lynched on thursday, dats 4 sure

gunna be the big 1.5, wade nd bosh
All I can say to you...You are looking like the idiot in this thread right now. You should think about that.

Hawkeye15
11-30-2010, 06:27 PM
http://espn.go.com/nba/notebook/_/page/Awards-101130/nba-awards-watch

dtmagnet
11-30-2010, 06:28 PM
Why is everyone hating on the Bulls? If you don't think they're at least the 3rd best in the East RIGHT NOW, than you're clearly a hater. At the end of the season, Boston, Orlando, and probably Miami will finish better. You have to remember the Bulls are still playing well without their second best player. You can't say the same for a lot of other teams. If the Bulls make the Melo trade happen, than watch out.

I'm sick of reading this excuse, you have no idea how Boozer will fit into your team until he plays so stop pretending that you will instantly be better when he gets back.