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Storch
11-28-2010, 03:47 PM
The question is simple, which team used their money the wisest and arguably got the best team together dollar per dollar.

Here's an example:
We all know that the Lakers are back to back champions, but they are paying 95 million to do that. While the OKC thunder are a playoff team that gave the Lakers a huge scare while merely using 58 million.


everyone keep in mind teams with multiple players on rookie scale, or the fact that the salary cap is $58 million or so.


It's not just a question for the present, but also the past and future as well.



So what do you guys think? Money vs. Success, who has the best?


Team Payrolls

1. Los Angeles Lakers
$95,692,591

2. Orlando Magic
$94,702,018

3. Dallas Mavericks
$89,093,829

4. Boston Celtics
$83,790,759

5. Denver Nuggets
$83,020,059

6. Utah Jazz
$75,785,355

7. Houston Rockets
$73,148,110

8. Philadelphia 76ers
$69,360,246

9. Atlanta Hawks
$69,145,985

10. Milwaukee Bucks
$69,128,143

11. Portland Trail Blazers
$68,419,112

12. San Antonio Spurs
$67,868,045

13. Memphis Grizzlies
$67,840,930

14. New Orleans Hornets
$66,674,723

15. Toronto Raptors
$66,513,474

16. Golden State Warriors
$66,498,756

17. Detroit Pistons
$65,917,821

18. Charlotte Bobcats
$65,880,884

19. Miami Heat
$65,356,624

20. Indiana Pacers
$64,368,421

21. Phoenix Suns
$62,468,396

22. New York Knicks
$58,102,438

23. Oklahoma City Thunder
$57,954,586

24. Washington Wizards
$57,097,192

25. New Jersey Nets
$56,973,703

26. Chicago Bulls
$56,054,262

27. Los Angeles Clippers
$53,369,343

28. Cleveland Cavaliers
$52,259,067

29. Minnesota Timberwolves
$44,687,148

30. Sacramento Kings
$43,017,530

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

Niro
11-28-2010, 03:52 PM
23. Oklahoma City Thunder
$57,954,586

cuz of rookie contracts

also the spurs

Hawkeye15
11-28-2010, 03:52 PM
too early to tell. Obviously the Bulls payroll is the lowest of the really good teams. But how are you supposed to measure? Lakers have the highest payroll, but they get the most out of it.

Storch
11-28-2010, 03:53 PM
I'll go with the San Antonio Spurs. They are sitting at around 67 million with multiple championships with the same cast and have by far paid their players accurately for what they deserve.

Hawkeye15
11-28-2010, 03:54 PM
everyone keep in mind teams with multiple players on rookie scale, or the fact that the salary cap is $58 million or so.

Storch
11-28-2010, 03:54 PM
too early to tell. Obviously the Bulls payroll is the lowest of the really good teams. But how are you supposed to measure? Lakers have the highest payroll, but they get the most out of it.

It's not just a question for the present, but also the past and future as well.

Storch
11-28-2010, 03:55 PM
everyone keep in mind teams with multiple players on rookie scale, or the fact that the salary cap is $58 million or so.

Good point, I'll add it to the initial post if you dont mind. :up:

Hawkeye15
11-28-2010, 03:56 PM
It's not just a question for the present, but also the past and future as well.

ah, I didn't know it involved the past. The Spurs then.

Dr Cyanide 28
11-28-2010, 04:09 PM
lmao theres always that one fan who puts the knicks xD

Minimal
11-28-2010, 04:12 PM
Bulls

HT9Canada
11-28-2010, 04:18 PM
i think the concept of the thread just doesnt work. you have this years salaries and then want to talk about the past.

by following the instructions i would say the cavaliers have done the best for their salaries. they led the league in wins, done well in the playoffs and made alot of winning records along the way.

now lebron is gone, and his salary is gone so i just dont think it is all justified. last year clevelands salary was higher. therefore more wins.

without looking at salaries and just thinking about it, the san antonio spurs have done the best job at spending money and getting wins.

abe_froman
11-28-2010, 04:21 PM
gotta be the bulls

...i had no idea we ranked that low

Baller1
11-28-2010, 04:22 PM
Jumped to conclusions and read it wrong. But I picked the T'Wolves, because they got quite a talented young squad over there.

But honestly, it's probably OKC.

rabzouz 96
11-28-2010, 04:27 PM
lakers/boston, and depending on whether they get their act together or not the heat.

rickshaw
11-28-2010, 04:31 PM
76ers

Geargo Wallace
11-28-2010, 04:50 PM
Spurs. It's hard to say because some teams haven't had to pay for their young guys yet. Spurs have been able to hold onto Timmy, Manu, and Parker and be successful for a decent amount of $$$$

Ebbs
11-28-2010, 05:10 PM
Spurs, Heat, Thunder all look good

John Walls Era
11-28-2010, 05:14 PM
Keep in mind: Teams with great young players will have lower payrolls.

Storch
11-28-2010, 05:45 PM
i think the concept of the thread just doesnt work. you have this years salaries and then want to talk about the past.

by following the instructions i would say the cavaliers have done the best for their salaries. they led the league in wins, done well in the playoffs and made alot of winning records along the way.

now lebron is gone, and his salary is gone so i just dont think it is all justified. last year clevelands salary was higher. therefore more wins.

without looking at salaries and just thinking about it, the san antonio spurs have done the best job at spending money and getting wins.

This is why its a good question because it's not easy to answer and it's nice to see what everyones opinions are. Looks like you have some thinking to do. :p

Sox72
11-28-2010, 05:57 PM
It's gotta be Chicago or OKC.

THE WALL
11-28-2010, 05:59 PM
Bulls & okc

xabial
11-28-2010, 06:26 PM
Really wanted to go with the knicks, But i choose the thunder.


Dont Like the Bulls but i acknowledge them having good spending altho it helps having Noah on his last year of his Rookie Scale Contract, and D-Rose/Taj on rookie scales but i guess thats what good spending is all about.

Byronicle
11-28-2010, 06:41 PM
spurrific

KnicksorBust
11-28-2010, 06:45 PM
i think the concept of the thread just doesnt work. you have this years salaries and then want to talk about the past.

by following the instructions i would say the cavaliers have done the best for their salaries. they led the league in wins, done well in the playoffs and made alot of winning records along the way.

now lebron is gone, and his salary is gone so i just dont think it is all justified. last year clevelands salary was higher. therefore more wins.

without looking at salaries and just thinking about it, the san antonio spurs have done the best job at spending money and getting wins.

I agree.


The question is simple, which team used their money the wisest and arguably got the best team together dollar per dollar.



Your question may seem simple but you haven't clarified what we are measuring. Are we looking simply at wins vs. salary? Are we looking at current success or future potential? Are we looking attendance vs. salary? A combination of all? Judging on the past or future with current salaries seems foolish because the salaries are going to be different and those rookie scale contracts will go away. Meanwhile if we just look on current talent assembled vs. salary then the Heat have the best team. 3 of the top 20 players in the NBA and they are only 19th in salary. If you want to look at it financially the Knicks and Lakers move to head of the class. Knicks make a ton of money and are finally at a lower team salary.

Kashmir13579
11-28-2010, 08:12 PM
i immediately voted for Twolves. their salary is almost non-existent and i think they are a very talented team. not to mention the youngest squad in the NBA.

Bornknick73
11-28-2010, 08:24 PM
OKC by a good mile. Followed by Chicago. For the naysayers who think im hating think of it this way....

OKC vs CHI 7 games series

Who wins?

topdog
11-28-2010, 08:34 PM
A championship is the goal so it really doesn't matter what you pay when you actually get not just one but two.

Better question is who got the best bargain this offseason since some teams spent a fortune on one or two players and others spent just a few dollars to really help with the chinks in their armor.

GW3 all day
11-28-2010, 08:56 PM
4. Boston Celtics
$83,790,759


The Celtics still have a legitamate shot at winning the championship for the next 2 or 3 years and maybe more becuase of the Big 4.

kingkenny01
11-28-2010, 09:02 PM
why are the heat 19 they have three max contracts

todu82
11-28-2010, 09:16 PM
Oklahoma City

mikedesi1004
11-28-2010, 09:37 PM
why are the heat 19 they have three max contracts

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9147

effen5
11-28-2010, 10:49 PM
OKC and Bulls

Storch
11-29-2010, 04:23 AM
Spurs. It's hard to say because some teams haven't had to pay for their young guys yet. Spurs have been able to hold onto Timmy, Manu, and Parker and be successful for a decent amount of $$$$

Well a lot of teams have rookies with rookie contracts therefore the playing field is almost even. Certain teams that are always in contention do not have the luxury of highly talented players with low salaries due to their success with already proven players that cost a lot. It all goes hand in hand between the pros and cons of having an expensive team vs. a cheaper team. It all comes into play when answering this question, who has the best dollar per dollar team.


I agree.



Your question may seem simple but you haven't clarified what we are measuring. Are we looking simply at wins vs. salary? Are we looking at current success or future potential? Are we looking attendance vs. salary? A combination of all? Judging on the past or future with current salaries seems foolish because the salaries are going to be different and those rookie scale contracts will go away. Meanwhile if we just look on current talent assembled vs. salary then the Heat have the best team. 3 of the top 20 players in the NBA and they are only 19th in salary. If you want to look at it financially the Knicks and Lakers move to head of the class. Knicks make a ton of money and are finally at a lower team salary.

If you don't take the time to comprehend all of the questions in play then you may be confused a bit. Low salary rookies with high talent vs. high salary veterans with high talent can be tough at first glance because all-star rookies are at first easy to choose. But then again, we ARE talking about rookies here... How many rookies have led a team to multiple championships? Not many, but they have existed on rare occasions. High salary vets win championships but they come with a price. So again, the question is asking dollar per dollar who has the best team put together?

My answer was the San Antonio Spurs due to their combination of effective rookie scouting and signing along with their accurate veteran signings and raises. They've drafted and kept most of their players such as tony parker and manu ginobili. In addition to that, they have gone passed their rookies contracts and given them raises to keep them as higher paid vets (without over paying). Dollar per dollar, the Spurs is my choice.


A championship is the goal so it really doesn't matter what you pay when you actually get not just one but two.

Better question is who got the best bargain this offseason since some teams spent a fortune on one or two players and others spent just a few dollars to really help with the chinks in their armor.

A championship is the status quo for many fans. But some fans have more objective idiosyncrasies to base their opinion on success. Therefore, this question accepts more than one bias in opinion to observe a greater result.


4. Boston Celtics
$83,790,759


The Celtics still have a legitamate shot at winning the championship for the next 2 or 3 years and maybe more becuase of the Big 4.

That is a very good argument. The Celtics are paying less money than the Lakers and are legitimate threats at winning the championship for more than 5 years now. Good point. Kudos to you. :clap:


why are the heat 19 they have three max contracts

That is because the heat signed Lebron and Bosh to 14,500,000 contracts and Wade to 14,000,000. None of which are even close to being max contracts.



PS
On a last note, for those of you that voted for the Lakers ... Kobe is set to make 30 million in 2013-14, do you guys still stand with your decisions? ;) That is around half of what the entire OKC organization pays their entire team :speechless: They also tend to overpay players and add on too many years such as Walton 5mil 6 years and Vujacic 5 mil 6 years? nuts.

Storch
11-29-2010, 04:28 AM
Jumped to conclusions and read it wrong. But I picked the T'Wolves, because they got quite a talented young squad over there.

But honestly, it's probably OKC.

I would have no objections against OKC, unless they overpay the rookie talents that they have signed: westbrook, harden, green, ibaka. If they manage to pay them the right amount then they are legitimately at the top of the list (if they aren't already).

mikantsass
11-29-2010, 11:32 AM
Celtics- two of the last three nba finals, 1 championship, favorite in the East this year

Lakers- three nba finals in a row, 2 championships, favorite in the West this year

stlbest5in2013
11-29-2010, 12:21 PM
4. Boston Celtics
$83,790,759


The Celtics still have a legitamate shot at winning the championship for the next 2 or 3 years and maybe more becuase of the Big 4.

your pick is a god one, you sayig they have a shot to win it all in 3 years i have an issue with.

both oneal's are on the downside of their career's. pierce wont be beating younger sf's off the dribble in 2 years. other than rondo, and then allen running off screnes, this team could decline in a hurry.

but the are good this year, real good

Storch
11-29-2010, 02:14 PM
your pick is a god one, you sayig they have a shot to win it all in 3 years i have an issue with.

both oneal's are on the downside of their career's. pierce wont be beating younger sf's off the dribble in 2 years. other than rondo, and then allen running off screnes, this team could decline in a hurry.

but the are good this year, real good

You are right on all accounts on this post except for the fact that you are forgetting that mostly the whole team are expiring except for rondo in the next few years and they can rebuild with new superstars.

bulldog312
11-29-2010, 03:33 PM
I say the Bulls for right now, although their salary is going to increase quickly as Noah's extension kicks in and Rose gets a max deal.

Baller1
11-29-2010, 04:11 PM
I would have no objections against OKC, unless they overpay the rookie talents that they have signed: westbrook, harden, green, ibaka. If they manage to pay them the right amount then they are legitimately at the top of the list (if they aren't already).

I agree. Right now though, Westbrook is making a case for being worthy of being paid a max contract, which is a bittersweet feeling. It means he's playing incredible basketball, but also means he might make it impossible to keep all our young pieces.

RIPSweetness34
11-29-2010, 04:29 PM
Thunder or Bulls, tough to argue against it. Bulls played the Spurs tough and should have beat Denver, but losing to a last second shot from a future teammate that is showing you how clutch he can be isn't so bad :)