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Gibby23
11-22-2010, 03:10 PM
Both big 3's were built around a SF, SG, and PF. Boston had a young PG and C who were still learning at the time and they had a comparable bench to the Heat. The Heat have 2 of the top 3 or 4 players in the game right now, Boston had 1 top 5 player in KG. The Heat seem to have no balance, while Boston ran very smooth with few bumps in the road.

My question is: Why are people including the media trting to let the Heat off the hook, by saying they need time to gel and all of this other BS? Boston had the same expectations and were all playing together for the 1st time. Boston met expectations from day 1 and kept it going till the end of the season.

The Boston big 3 sacrificed and played for eachother, they all had one goal and to the it didn't matter how they won or who scored. I don't see any sacrificing with the Heat big 3

FOBolous
11-22-2010, 03:16 PM
because Boston's big 3 compliment each other better than Miami's big 3. KG plays on the inside, Pierce slashes and cuts, and Ray Allen is a shooter. Both KG and Ray Allen's skillset make them effective off the ball players.

Wade and Lebro plays the same way. both of them NEED the ball to be effective and neither of them are known as shooters. It's like having 2 Allen Iversons on the same team...it's not going to work or it's going to take a while before they learn to play with each other. and in order for them to play with each other...one of them have to sacrifice their stats.

bahama0811
11-22-2010, 03:17 PM
The season's not over yet.

ShakeN'Bake
11-22-2010, 03:19 PM
Because they were older, and further along in their careers.

Also they were able to fit in and focus on individual parts of their games and not overlap too much. KG brought the defense and the pick and pop, Ray had the outside game and worked extremely well off the ball, Pierce stuck with his slashing/scoring role. Also they really passed the hell out of the ball.

Miami will struggle until they too can find away for each to focus on a different part of the game.

Rentzias
11-22-2010, 03:19 PM
Both big 3's were built around a SF, SG, and PF. Boston had a young PG and C who were still learning at the time and they had a comparable bench to the Heat. The Heat have 2 of the top 3 or 4 players in the game right now, Boston had 1 top 5 player in KG. The Heat seem to have no balance, while Boston ran very smooth with few bumps in the road.

These are two very different Big 3s; the Celtic Big 3 was a very complementary set, while the Heat Big 3 are not. The Heat Big 3 are made up of, essentially, three true #1 scoring options, on their former teams; Bosh never averaged more than 2 assists per game, where KG was averaging more than double that.

Bron and Wade are both penetrate-and-create players, and neither is true 3-point shooter, so what is the other guy doing when the other guy is creating?

Da Knicks
11-22-2010, 03:20 PM
Boston was much deeper had a real center, and guys who fit better together. Still too early to know what they will be like in a couple of months.

raventroll
11-22-2010, 03:23 PM
Wow! I don't like the Heat, but you're really going to post this less than 1 month into the season? Really?

abe_froman
11-22-2010, 03:26 PM
Because they were older, and further along in their careers.

Also they were able to fit in and focus on individual parts of their games and not overlap too much. KG brought the defense and the pick and pop, Ray had the outside game and worked extremely well off the ball, Pierce stuck with his slashing/scoring role. Also they really passed the hell out of the ball.

Miami will struggle until they too can find away for each to focus on a different part of the game.
this

because Boston's big 3 compliment each other better than Miami's big 3. KG plays on the inside, Pierce slashes and cuts, and Ray Allen is a shooter. Both KG and Ray Allen's skillset make them effective off the ball players.

Wade and Lebro plays the same way. both of them NEED the ball to be effective and neither of them are known as shooters. It's like having 2 Allen Iversons on the same team...it's not going to work or it's going to take a while before they learn to play with each other. and in order for them to play with each other...one of them have to sacrifice their stats.
and this ...for the most part

and what da knicks said also is true

Gibby23
11-22-2010, 03:26 PM
Wow! I don't like the Heat, but you're really going to post this less than 1 month into the season? Really?

Im just saying that Boston was good from the opening tip that year.

Sadds The Gr8
11-22-2010, 03:29 PM
because Miami's all play the same area on offense. all 3 are slashers/mid range guys that like the ball in their hands for 15+ secs. Boston's was perfect because each one had a defined role and a spot on the court where they dominated. Ray handled the spot-up/3pt shooting, Pierce handled the mid-range area and slashed, and KG handled the post down-low.

DaBUU
11-22-2010, 03:29 PM
They compliment each other more and when KG and Ray got there they were willing to sacrifice. Rondo in his second year was already better than anyone else on the Heat. Havent watched enough of the Heat yet, but my guess is Wade and Lebron do not trust their teammates and are pressing to do it all, while forcing Bosh to try to get his.

Klivlend
11-22-2010, 03:30 PM
They were older and more desperate to win a ring? Effectively making them more willing to set their egos aside and fully buy into the system? Not only did they want it, but they needed the championship at that point in their careers, time was running out.

Just guesses.

dnewguy
11-22-2010, 03:31 PM
Because Boston had a great rebounder, Miami doesn't have one yet. Miami lost 5 games, all because they were burned on rebounds and second round points. Celtics Shaq and KG, Hornets, Okafor burned us, Utah Milsap, and grizzles Randolf totally man-handled Bosh.

DaBUU
11-22-2010, 03:33 PM
Garnetts interior defense and Perks big body definitely helped. Heat dont have that at all.

kblo247
11-22-2010, 03:35 PM
Boston's big 3 had far more complete players.

Pierce could post up, shoot the 3, play off the ball, play on the ball, rebound, and defend one on one. Allen could move off the ball and run around screens, put the ball on the floor as a temp PG at times, finish at the rim, and defend one on one. KG could post up, face up, rebound, and defend the post one on one though he was a better help defender.

Lebron can't hit mid range jumpers consistently, play off the ball for long stretches, play lockdown defense one on one, or post up. Wade is only an average one on one defender at best, he has a mid range j but his 3 ball is uber streaky, he has no post game, and he is used to having the ball in his hands. Bosh can post up even though he is a better face up player and he is soft as hell when it comes to protecting the basket and defending his guy one on one in the post.

The Boston big 3 fit better from jump, just like Kobe, Lamar, and Pau fit better from their first game together. They are comprised of more versatile and complete players simple and plain. Anyone who can't admit that is kidding themselves or blinded by homerism or pyrotechnics in the Heat's case

Baller1
11-22-2010, 03:37 PM
Maturity, complimentary skill sets, and better role players.

Simple as that.

Storch
11-22-2010, 03:42 PM
Because they weren't cocky and they wanted to prove something as a team.

Carey
11-22-2010, 03:43 PM
Better supporting cast, and their talents complemented each other better.

mvb815
11-22-2010, 03:43 PM
right now miami's big three is more comparable to golden states big three (ellis, curry, lee) than bostons, but they are superstars they will eventually adjust to make it work for the benefit of the team.

this is why people, including myself, have the heat tagged as not winning it all this year, but winning multiple championships in the oncoming years

el_primo_nano
11-22-2010, 03:47 PM
These guys compliment one another. Ray Allen is a straigh shooter. Wade nor Lebron are any of that. As much as i hate him KG is a force in the inside, Bosh is a little nancy boy inside. Thats why it didnt work. Another reason why its not working is cuz nobody has respect for the coach. Its about time Riley pulls a Stan and kicks his *** out

John Walls Era
11-22-2010, 03:48 PM
You do realize that there will be a huge counter effect if the Heat win the championship this year. Need to understand that the season is young.

jiggin
11-22-2010, 03:52 PM
the season is over already?

why are we talking about something that is currently happening as if its past tense?

this discussion should be reserved for post season...not after the first 15 games of the season.

tr4shb0t
11-22-2010, 05:05 PM
Because wade, lebron, and bosh pretty much all thrived on paint points and touch foul layups when they were alone. Something they aren't going to get as much of with a stacked team. They can't spread the floor as much as bostons big 3 can. I don't think any of them are very mentally tough either. Their combined basketball fundamentals is nowhere near that of bostons 3.

Ebbs
11-22-2010, 05:06 PM
Age = Maturity = Desperation to win before the career is over.

Miami will pull it together its early people need to relax

Kutchie03
11-22-2010, 05:28 PM
hahahhaa it hasnt even been 15 games

WolvesJagsOs
11-22-2010, 05:29 PM
Because in my opinion they had better guys around them, and because they complimented eachother better like ppl are saying.

iggypop123
11-22-2010, 05:42 PM
Both big 3's were built around a SF, SG, and PF. Boston had a young PG and C who were still learning at the time and they had a comparable bench to the Heat. The Heat have 2 of the top 3 or 4 players in the game right now, Boston had 1 top 5 player in KG. The Heat seem to have no balance, while Boston ran very smooth with few bumps in the road.

My question is: Why are people including the media trting to let the Heat off the hook, by saying they need time to gel and all of this other BS? Boston had the same expectations and were all playing together for the 1st time. Boston met expectations from day 1 and kept it going till the end of the season.

The Boston big 3 sacrificed and played for eachother, they all had one goal and to the it didn't matter how they won or who scored. I don't see any sacrificing with the Heat big 3

kevin mchale. not only did he gift kg he also let them keep rondo.

MCSJR2
11-22-2010, 05:53 PM
Because KG, Pierce, and Ray were at different stages in their careers....

Bishnoff
11-22-2010, 05:56 PM
because Boston's big 3 compliment each other better than Miami's big 3. KG plays on the inside, Pierce slashes and cuts, and Ray Allen is a shooter. Both KG and Ray Allen's skillset make them effective off the ball players.

Wade and Lebro plays the same way. both of them NEED the ball to be effective and neither of them are known as shooters. It's like having 2 Allen Iversons on the same team...it's not going to work or it's going to take a while before they learn to play with each other. and in order for them to play with each other...one of them have to sacrifice their stats.

This, plus KG is a way better defender than Bosh, and the Celtics had better role players and a PG who complimented the Celtic's Big 3.

tangent12
11-22-2010, 06:03 PM
Because they were actually a big three, not 1 superstar, a good player and someone with an identity crisis. Not to mention the fact that the Celtics had what we know as a... team. Yes, a supporting cast that actually doesn't suck.

You need a solid team to be a contender and the Heat don't have one.

millerandco
11-22-2010, 06:08 PM
older and more experienced

Blazers#1Fan
11-22-2010, 06:13 PM
Ray Allen - TRUE 3 point shooter who can drive and pass and can shoot off the Pass,somewhat rebound
Paul Pierce - all around player can drive,shoot,pass,shoot off the pass,somewhat rebound
KG - inside scorer and mid range jumper can pass and can rebound and play good defense,BRUISER

Lebron - can shoot has a alright 3,can drive, not a great shooter off the pass,can pass,can rebound
Wade - can shoot has good 3,can drive,a good shooter off the dribble,can pass #1 scoring option
Bosh - cant rebound as good as with the raptors (they really had no player to rebound on the raptors),can shoot close not a bruiser,mid range jumper

the difference with the Big 3(BOS) and the other 3(MIA) BOSH isnt the player KG is! and when wade has the ball everybody is watching Wade, when lebron has the ball everybody is watching LEBRON when BOSH HAS THE BALL everybody is watching bosh

boston they compliment each other mia there 3 #1 scoring options that dont compliment each other as well once bosh-Lebron-wade get each other involved they will be the team to beat and the #1 factor i think it is

RONDO - creates the pass moves the ball around and gets it to the open man once MIA gets a PG who does that they will win

Trouble87
11-22-2010, 06:17 PM
they we're hungrier and more seasoned players

Boston's big 3 knew time was not on their side and they played like beast from jump

Miami's big 3 acted like it was sleepover at Wade's house... fun & games

I give props to Garnett, Allen, and Pierce... they knew hype wasn't going to carry them

Trouble87
11-22-2010, 06:20 PM
also give props to whoever built that Boston team... they had some very solid vets on that bench

Sam Cassell & PJ Brown were big support off the bench for Boston

damn... PJ Brown, miss seeing him out there

dtmagnet
11-22-2010, 06:23 PM
Kevin Garnett.

The Prodigy
11-22-2010, 06:29 PM
They had great Post D.
But anyways its to early to say they were better than the HEAT. Let the season end first please.

h2r09
11-22-2010, 06:33 PM
over time miami's big 3 will be better in say a year or 2 when they get an oppurtunity to sign some more vets and get the mle's in the next few offseasons.

Also, their games compliment each other less so they will have to adapt to playing off the ball with each other which they eventually will but to have expected it so soon we were all wrong. but given time and more pieces they will be dominant.

BALLER R
11-22-2010, 06:34 PM
boston's big three complement each other, you have your wing play who gets to the line in pierce, you have your sharp shooter for when there are double teams or when you need a clutch shot, and then with KG you have your anchor on defense...until miami gets that they won't be successful..Miami's big three is more about media and attention boston's big three is more about on court success

BALLER R
11-22-2010, 06:39 PM
also boston's big three was a success from the being of the season, with miami all i hear is its early and whatever...but thats not what we are talking about. early or not point is why was boston more successful from the get go

FadeAwayLikeMJ
11-22-2010, 06:43 PM
Age = Maturity = Desperation to win before the career is over. Miami will pull it together its early people need to relax

:clap:

they played every game with a sense of urgency.

and they move the ball waay better. then and now.

h2r09
11-22-2010, 06:47 PM
also boston's big three was a success from the being of the season, with miami all i hear is its early and whatever...but thats not what we are talking about. early or not point is why was boston more successful from the get go

because there was a smaller learning curve for them. they all still played extremely similar roles to what they were already playing, it was just in a reduced fashion. the heat are just figuring out how to play with each other still. they still dotn have their best shooter, the quality of bigs that they will undoubtedly have by the end of the year, and didnt play together before their first game together in boston.


give them 40 games and probably more now due to injuries for them to get fully accustomed to each other.

eXpLiiCt
11-22-2010, 06:53 PM
Bro it's like 15 games into to the season watch in the second half of the year, don't declare saying Boston's big 3 is better already, I hate the Heat LeBron Is a ****ing ****** going there but, I was one of those people saying there not going to win the title there 1st season together but think about it LeBron Wade and Bosh when playoffs come around they will destroy but I think Boston will win it all but watch out for Miami...

kgjfan243
11-22-2010, 06:57 PM
Boston's big three complimented eachother perfectly. Miami's big three is more used to having the ball in their hands instead of playing off the ball.

TrueFan420
11-22-2010, 07:01 PM
Boston's big 3 had far more complete players.

Pierce could post up, shoot the 3, play off the ball, play on the ball, rebound, and defend one on one. Allen could move off the ball and run around screens, put the ball on the floor as a temp PG at times, finish at the rim, and defend one on one. KG could post up, face up, rebound, and defend the post one on one though he was a better help defender.

Lebron can't hit mid range jumpers consistently, play off the ball for long stretches, play lockdown defense one on one, or post up. Wade is only an average one on one defender at best, he has a mid range j but his 3 ball is uber streaky, he has no post game, and he is used to having the ball in his hands. Bosh can post up even though he is a better face up player and he is soft as hell when it comes to protecting the basket and defending his guy one on one in the post.

The Boston big 3 fit better from jump, just like Kobe, Lamar, and Pau fit better from their first game together. They are comprised of more versatile and complete players simple and plain. Anyone who can't admit that is kidding themselves or blinded by homerism or pyrotechnics in the Heat's case

This... however lamar did not fit in from the first game he took a while to find his place within the team and flow of the game.

kblo247
11-22-2010, 07:05 PM
This... however lamar did not fit in from the first game he took a while to find his place within the team and flow of the game.

Pau's Laker debut was Feb 5, 2008, the same game where Kobe broke his finger during the middle of it. LO went for 14pts, 15rebs, and 5asts on only 4 shots.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008020517

He went on to have 19 and 11, 12 and 6, 15 and 18, 8 and 10, a triple double, 17 and 15, 22 and 11, 20 and 10, 19 and 11, and a bunch more doubles right after that. They clicked from the start.

hotpotato1092
11-22-2010, 07:12 PM
I've been asking this all season.

tcav701
11-22-2010, 07:13 PM
This one is easy.

1. The Miami big 3 all need the ball to be effective, the Boston 3 do not. This is simple math seeing as there is only one ball.

2. The Boston 3 play both sides of the ball.

3. The Boston 3 did not have to change the way they play. Their stregnths and play style just fit together.

GreatMustachio1
11-22-2010, 07:16 PM
1) Because they didnt make a circus out of it.
2) Because they didnt think that they were the greatest thing to ever happen to the NBA
3) Because from the get-go they thought of them as a team and wanted to play team basketball. Where as with the Heat 3, they thought it was just them 3 on the team, and that they were the only 3 that mattered to win a championship.
4) Celtics 3 have their own things that they do well, where as the Heat 3 all have basically the same skill set and do the same things.
5) Celtics 3 have better players around them and a better coach.

those are basically the reasons

IDB Josh M
11-22-2010, 07:20 PM
Everyone who keeps saying its too early in the season need to man up and stop making excuses. The OP has pointed out that when KG and Ray Allen showed up in Boston, from the opening tip, the Celtics have been dominant. The Heat, on the otherhand, have not had the same type of effectiveness as the Celtics had.

Considering that the Heat have had so much hype and so much media attention, nobody can deny that the Heat have been dissapointing.

To answer the question, I think LBJ-Wade-Bosh still need to get out of the "me first" mindset. They don't go well together, and it seems that it'll take some time for them to figure it out. The Boston "Big 3" on the other hand were desperate and needed to make massive sacrifices. Ray Allen moves very well without the ball (something I've yet to see Wade do), and Bosh is nowhere near the type of player that KG was or is. (LBJ and Paul Pierce are a wash honestly).

Now, don't get me wrong, I agree that its still early in the season, and the heat can go 77 - 5 for the rest of the season. But they have been disappointing.

Edit: One more thing, the Celtics were very defense intensive in 07-08, whereas the 2010 Heat is very offense oriented.

mjqusoldier
11-22-2010, 07:39 PM
Because All of them ll of have ego problems. Bosh is soft and Lebron is full of himself. Wade is the only real man on that team

jimm120
11-22-2010, 07:49 PM
As many said, it was about the ROLE of the player.

KG was the 1A option inside. Pierce was the 1B option at slashing. Allen is the one that sacrificed the most by becoming the 3rd wheel...but he was THE shooter.

Now, with Miami, its a bit different.

LeBron is a slasher (pierce) with the "better" outside touch of the three. He sure as hell isn't going to settle into the 3rd wheel, shooter role.

Wade is is slasher (pierce) and is the closest thing to what Pierce was (even better obviously). So, he's option 1A or 1B.

Bosh is ....the inside muscle that Garnett provided. But he's the 3rd wheel.

This conundrum doesn't allow for fluidity. With the Celtecs, it was either
-Inside Garnet to outside Pierce for a slash
-Inside Garnett to outside Allen for a shot
-Pierce slash for a quick inside pass to Garnett
-Pierce slash to outside Allen for a shot
-Allen outside to inside to Garnett
-Allen outside to inside to Pierce for a slash

Look at the options. It just allowed for fluid help. Garnett and Pierce allowed for an inside/outside game. Allen was the only one that was best just on the outside.

Now, the Heat?

-Lebron slashes outside to Wade for a slash
-Lebron slashes from outside to inside to Wade for a Slash
-Wade slashes to outside for Lebron
-Wade slash to the inside for quick pass to Bosh
-Lebron slash to inside for quick pass to Bosh
-Bosh inside to outside to LeBron

As you can see, its much more different. Pierce was the only slashing (mostly) for the Celtics. Here, most of the plays are designed to stagnate in the outside (for a shot) or for a slash. that doesn't create the same fluid motion the Celtics had.


They'll have to learn to play with each other. That is all.


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JARVIS123
11-22-2010, 08:20 PM
Boston was able to protect their paint.and K.G.being the defensive player that he is also help the team alot.not only that K.G. would defend the paint he had the foot speed to run out and guard the perimeter to.and let's not talk about one of the best 3 point shooters of all time who also can take you off the dribble.

Law25
11-22-2010, 10:02 PM
The reason is simple;

1. K.G brought an defense first mentality and their team were great at it.

2. Boston's big three were almost over the hill type players and decided to exstend each others career by sharing the load because they could no longer put up their usual numbers alone, while Miami a is built around players still in their peek so it makes it hard to share the load they can already carry on their own. For that reason they start to over think the game, making an concious effort to get each other involved, and you cant over think the game if you want to win.

3. This team is to much for their coach to handel. As much as i hate the ideal of Riley becoming caoch it may be ther best option, maybe this time he can make the guy his assistant instead of firing him, he could just groom him.

fadedmario
11-22-2010, 10:15 PM
It's still early. Miami will hit their stride.

Jays Claw
11-22-2010, 10:52 PM
It's because Garnett, Allen and Pierce had all accomplished what they wanted to as individual players. Obviously, they didn't win a championship by themselves and the sole purpose of a 'Boston Big-3' was to create a 3/yr window of championship opportunity. Also, the fact that both Garnett and Allen came in knowing it was Pierce's team, and were willing to sacrifice their individual stats for the betterment of the team.

As for Miami, there is no true #1. Both LeBron and Bosh look out of sorts now that they've got to share the spotlight as well as not score their regular 25+ points. It seems as if all of them are focused on one thing, and that's scoring. As where in Boston, Doc Rivers managed to install order by having KG focus on defense/rebounding, Allen on spot up shooting and Pierce on slashing/4th quarter scoring. Spoelstra is yet to do this with his supremely talented squad.

albertc86
11-22-2010, 11:00 PM
Boston's big three complement each other more than Miami's. Paul Pierce had never played with a superstar before but he did play with Walker who was a big time jacker. So, sharing the ball was never an issue for him. Thus, it hasn't been an issue sharing the ball with another wing player in Allen who doesn't need to fire up 20+ shots to get his game going. And KG is better than Bosh. Simple as that. It seems as though neither LeBron nor Wade are comfortable playing with each other. The main difference is, Boston has a big three but has had contributions from multiple role players. Miami hasn't had that because the team is solely dependent on their big three. However, when Miller returns, it should be interesting to see how much better they'll be.

avrpatsfan
11-22-2010, 11:04 PM
Because the big 3 in 2007 weren't worried about their stats. It was all about winning. They all had great careers so far but without a ring. All 3 were hall of famers or very close but they just lacked what they desired; a ring. That's why when they won it it was so emotional. The Heat lack emotion. They don't have to strong desire to win. It is very early though. No reason to have a thread like this early on. It was shocking how well the Celtics did early in 2007. I didn't expect the Heat to jump out the gate and they haven't. If or when they refine their play they will be hard to beat.

yankkiller
11-22-2010, 11:28 PM
its simple boston's big 3 are real team players and knew coming in that their numbers where going to take a hit but didn"t care, and Garnett at the time was way better then Bosh. And of course boston's supporting cast is way better then that of miami's.

omdigga
11-23-2010, 01:24 AM
peirce= go-to scorer
ray= shooter
garnett= passion, defense, inside presence..

know your role people.. boston big 3 knew exactly where each fit... miami is still figuring that out..

Raph12
11-23-2010, 01:51 AM
Because they don't all need the ball in their hands to be effective; Lebron, Wade and Bosh aren't adept off-ball, whereas Pierce, Rayray and KG can do a lot of damage playing off-ball... They just compliment each other much better than the Heat's big 3.

_KB24_
11-23-2010, 02:12 AM
Because they all had different and specific roles. KG was their defensive anchor, Pierce was their go-to guy, and Allen was straight up their spot up shooter. The Heat trio all have similar roles, to be the "go-to" guy. But with that said, even I didn't expect Miami to be this bad. Horrible.

SteveNash
11-23-2010, 02:28 AM
Wade and Bosh aren't as good as Allen and KG. Rondo>>>>>>>>>>>Arroyo. Perkins>>>>>>>>>>Heat C.

Miller's been out so far, Haslem will be out for a while.

Law25
11-23-2010, 02:56 AM
After todays lost i dont know what to expect out of Miami. I thought they would only struggle against the ellite teams until they figure each other out but the Pacers damn. I mean the Pacer are good this year and may even beat the Lakers in an game this season but a Miami needs every game and cant affrd to let doubt slip in on ther team. Like i said damn. I know its still early but damn.

skiflyer
11-23-2010, 03:30 AM
I am a Lakers fan all the way. I don't see the proper mentality on the Heat yet, however, I also am a Pat Riley fan as most Laker fans are. I mean how can you not just Love when Pat said "I guarantee we are going to win it again next year" looking over at Magic as he said it. Pat Riley will make the adjustments he has to and will make the Heat a force in the East and a top 6 NBA contender year in and year out.

Will they ever win a title, back to back? or 3peat? It takes a lot of talent, great coaching and a little LUCK. Time will tell, in the meantime the East Champs Boston and the West Champs LA need to be beaten in a 7 game series before any smack can be talked!

JayW_1023
11-23-2010, 03:36 AM
Because they all had different and specific roles. KG was their defensive anchor, Pierce was their go-to guy, and Allen was straight up their spot up shooter. The Heat trio all have similar roles, to be the "go-to" guy. But with that said, even I didn't expect Miami to be this bad. Horrible.

Plus the fact that all three bought into a defensive system without fanfare. The Heats idea of D is dramatic come from behind blocks. These stars are used to role players masking their defensive defficiencies. With all three starting, they are now held accountable for their defense...and they are clearly exposed as overrated defenders, only voted into the all-defensive teams because they are superstars. They are clearly are clueless when it comes to defending within a team concept. As for Bosh, we already knew he stunk as a defender.

Unlike Bosh and LBJ, KG and Allen are the type of players that don't need to score on ISOS, which made them alot easier to integrate into a balanced offensive game plan where they already had a go to scorer in Paul Pierce. Garnett has never been a volume scorer and Allen, while being a better allround player than given credit for could concentrate at what he does best with Pierce and Rondo as the primary playmakers: spotting up.

TrueFan420
11-23-2010, 04:29 AM
Pau's Laker debut was Feb 5, 2008, the same game where Kobe broke his finger during the middle of it. LO went for 14pts, 15rebs, and 5asts on only 4 shots.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2008020517

He went on to have 19 and 11, 12 and 6, 15 and 18, 8 and 10, a triple double, 17 and 15, 22 and 11, 20 and 10, 19 and 11, and a bunch more doubles right after that. They clicked from the start.

yea but that was only because bynum was hurt once he came back and got a starting role that he didnt/doesnt deserve LO started to struggle.

kblo247
11-23-2010, 04:32 AM
yea but that was only because bynum was hurt once he came back and got a starting role that he didnt/doesnt deserve LO started to struggle.

I said Pau, Kobe, and LO clicked from day 1 as a trio. I didn't mention Andrew because really for the longest period of time, Pau and he both only played better with Lamar next to them as they would crowd each other's space.

It took a while for the 3 bigs to get it together.

Mavrix
11-23-2010, 04:42 AM
Boston had a way better PG and C. /thread.

Jenceman
11-23-2010, 05:43 AM
Because Boston had better role players.

Jenceman
11-23-2010, 05:46 AM
Because All of them ll of have ego problems. Bosh is soft and Lebron is full of himself. Wade is the only real man on that team

And yet Wade has been probably the worst of the 3. Or at least the most inconsistent. He's thrown up a few **** games, like today against the Pacers.

Shark
11-23-2010, 05:49 AM
I didnt bother reading peoples responses but the answer to the question is simple.

They didnt have drama

They didnt have a lame introduction

They didnt promise ******** right away

They put ego's aside

They actually know how to play as a team

Theres more, but I feel bad for Miami and how sucky they are, and no I am not a boston fan, just stating truth.

knickfan4life
11-23-2010, 05:53 AM
celts have a finisher down low... a guy who can make his own shot in pierce and a deadly shooter in allen

heat have 2 guys who can make their own shots and bosh... whose a 10-15 foot jump shooter who doesnt rebound or defend...

celts big 3 also had a PG and a C in perkins and rondo... these guys dont have a legit PG, even if rondo was a rookie or a legit big in perkins... the guy takes up a lot of space down low and rebounds relatively well

AIRMAR72
11-23-2010, 07:00 AM
The reason why boston big 3 work? 1.coach rivers 2.rondo 3.rondo 4.maturity 5. passion.... Miami Heat desperately needs a penetrating PG (andre miller) center who run with wade and bron and defend da paint(marcus camby)

Gormans Mic
11-23-2010, 07:04 AM
kevin mchale. not only did he gift kg he also let them keep rondo.

Al Jefferson isnt exactly chop liver. The Twolves are f'n clueless and that goes well beyond when McHale was there.

Gormans Mic
11-23-2010, 07:05 AM
since everything else has been said....how about...because Bos. doesnt pipe in ****** music while the game action is going on like so many of the other teams around the league do....so f'n bush league.

NBA-GMaster
11-23-2010, 07:32 AM
Because of the coach and Rajon Rondo..

PHX2daDEATH
11-23-2010, 07:38 AM
-LeBron and Wade aint playing like the top 2 players in the game. I'll come out and say it Bryant and Gasol are the top 2 players in the game today..thats why Matt Barnes, Steve Blake and Shannon Barnes are one of the best benches they get to play with those guys..
Boston did a similiar thing with Posey, Davis, Powe etc etc..again they had their roles and it worked perfectly.. Bosh aint Garnett on the Defensive end, Wade isn't going to spot for threes and LeBron isn't consistent on his jump shot like Pierce was

the life
11-23-2010, 07:46 AM
Garnet vs Bosh

Garnet is "down and dirty" player fighting for loose balls and doing whatever it takes to win a game. He was a real leader in Minny taking them to western final.

Bosh is a soft player surrounded for 6 years by blue collar players that were doing the dirty work for him. He was never the leader of his team and never won a playoff series in his life. He was putting up big number in the beginning of each season when the teams were not yet playing tough but was disappearing after the all star break when the teams were starting to play tougher basketball.

Wade vs Pierce

Both players are leaders but Wade has a bigger ego than Pierce and also is less hardworking through tough times. Occasionally Wade might chase loose balls but not always.
Pierce is more durable than Wade and this might also explain the difference in toughness shown on court.

Allen vs James

Allen is a hardworking sharp shooter with limited skills-set but really disciplined and ready to run 48 minutes.

James on the other hand is a spoiled talented kid (a lot like Bosh but vastly more talented) who care more about himself than about his team. He was always surrounded in Cleveland by blue collar players doing the dirty work for him and he was the king leading but not always by example but rather by appointment by General manager.

The most troubling memory of James is the game against Raptors where his team was losing graciously until Bosh's girlfriend started to make fun of him. Then Bron started to play and single-handed won the game. The fact he was complacent in losing that game until some girl annoyed him spells trouble for Heat. James is an immature kid who is not ready to take a team to the next level (winning it all).


The Heat fans are totally in denial thinking that replacing Arroyo will fix anything. Whey you team have three talented but lazy players as core, replacing a scrub in the starting unit will not solve anything.

Justintyme
11-23-2010, 08:14 AM
This was a dumb thread to begin with. But, it's hard to judge these two teams right now. For one, the Heat's main shooter(Miller) has yet to play a game. Also this is not just 3 guys coming in like the Celtics were, it's almost the whole team coming in playing together for the first time. The Celts also have a better coach. Most of the time it seems like there is no offensive plays at all, and it really hurts them when games get close. Spoelstra is failing them so far, and I would not be suprised to see Riley can him soon!

DitchDat
11-23-2010, 08:19 AM
They bought into a system.

The Miami Heat have no system. They're just allowing LeBron and Wade to go playground. The Miami Big Three also allows no coaching, and there's no defensive approach to the game. Right now, all I can say for the Miami Heat is that they have 2 of the best offensive players in the NBA on their roster, but that's it. The Boston Big Three bought in.

Still, I'm willing to admit the Heat have had some injury problems the Celts didn't have to overcome: losing Mike Miller and Udonis Haslem for the 2010-11 Heat is like the 2007-08 Celtics losing James Posey, Leon Powe and Glen Davis. The full Heat roster appears to also be less potent than the full Celtics roster - just 2 cents.

mikantsass
11-23-2010, 11:14 AM
1. Boston had an experienced coach

2. The Big 3 were willing to sacrifice stats and play lock down defense

3. The supporting cast was better

4. They had size and stregnth inside (KG,Perk, PJ Brown, Powe, Big Baby)

5. Each of the Boston big 3's game compliments one another.

6. They had a PG who ended up becoming great himself

7. They were all older and had more experience than the Miami trio

8. Their preseason trip to Rome served as a bonding experience

9. Boston has a better franchise history and more passionate fan base

10. Finally, I believe that the Boston big 3 are all very competitive. I dont think the Heat trio are. Not only that, the Boston big 3 had to "fit in" with the winning culture of other Boston teams. At the time, The Red Sox were coming off their second world series. The Patriots were coming off of a perfect regular season and super bowl appearance.

xbrackattackx
11-23-2010, 11:27 AM
Doc Rivers.

Johann
11-23-2010, 11:40 AM
the heat are gonna trade bosh, wade and lebron for allen, pierce and garnett...

xbrackattackx
11-23-2010, 12:13 PM
the heat are gonna trade bosh, wade and lebron for allen, pierce and garnett...

NO WAY, Boston gets robbed, They have to throw in Stackhouse and Howard with them to make it even.

nickdymez
11-23-2010, 01:21 PM
Because Bostons big three came for the sole purpose of winning a championship. Lebron and Bosh came for marketing, coke, and pretty latina women..

sp1derm00
11-23-2010, 01:45 PM
Boston's Big 3 are have more adaptive games. They translate well into roles.

Also, Rondo and Perkins helped a LOT.

Bornknick73
11-23-2010, 02:00 PM
In my now closed thread from a obvious Miami loving MOD you will find a detailed description of why Boston did it right and why Miami did it wrong

Shmontaine
11-23-2010, 02:22 PM
well... isn't the saying, "you can't win the championship in the first half of the season, but you can lose it."

with Haslem out, they're going to go through some pains, and if they end up 3rd in the division (Atlanta isn't looking great though) they will find themselves in the bottom half of the Conference, and they will have a much tougher task in the playoffs... everyone keeps saying its early, but they longer they struggle, MIA has to be that much better by the end of the year to balance it out... It could be a rough ride for south beach this year... i don't see them becoming the best team in the conference by the end of the season, not even the division... they need to make some moves to bring in something of quality, i don't see how a guy in Dampier, they turned down in the summer is going to help them that much now... should be interesting...

one thing is for sure, the heat grabbed everyone's attention this summer, and now they are in the spotlight like they wanted, so , here you are... expect the criticism, and stop acting like you have it figured out.. they're still doesn't seem to be any sense of urgency with these guys to figure it out... coach spo has looked real bad the last couple of post games..

kyubi256
11-23-2010, 05:30 PM
Much more balanced and trusted everyone. Not as many egos

Tony_Starks
11-23-2010, 06:40 PM
Doc Rivers and Rajon "give him 5 feet" Rondo.

kobebabe
11-23-2010, 07:00 PM
Boston's big 3 had far more complete players.

Pierce could post up, shoot the 3, play off the ball, play on the ball, rebound, and defend one on one. Allen could move off the ball and run around screens, put the ball on the floor as a temp PG at times, finish at the rim, and defend one on one. KG could post up, face up, rebound, and defend the post one on one though he was a better help defender.

Lebron can't hit mid range jumpers consistently, play off the ball for long stretches, play lockdown defense one on one, or post up. Wade is only an average one on one defender at best, he has a mid range j but his 3 ball is uber streaky, he has no post game, and he is used to having the ball in his hands. Bosh can post up even though he is a better face up player and he is soft as hell when it comes to protecting the basket and defending his guy one on one in the post.

The Boston big 3 fit better from jump, just like Kobe, Lamar, and Pau fit better from their first game together. They are comprised of more versatile and complete players simple and plain. Anyone who can't admit that is kidding themselves or blinded by homerism or pyrotechnics in the Heat's case

Nice post. couldn't have put it any better

smith&wesson
11-23-2010, 07:21 PM
thats easy, THE ANSWER IS RONDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hustlenomics
11-23-2010, 07:41 PM
because they took their talents to a court and not a beach

footballer2369
11-23-2010, 07:46 PM
The first year ain't over...

Russollini
11-23-2010, 07:50 PM
Doc rivers

mohye
11-23-2010, 07:54 PM
Because they compliement each other much better.. also the Boston Big 3 are better defenders then the Miami 3...

Geargo Wallace
11-23-2010, 07:59 PM
They complimented each other better.
They are veterans.
They had a better supporting cast.
They were awesome in the clutch moments.

... Though I still think that the Heat will turn it around soon.

Sly Guy
11-23-2010, 08:00 PM
can we wait till april to make this comparison, please?

Geargo Wallace
11-23-2010, 08:08 PM
can we wait till april to make this comparison, please?

For the sake of discussion, we can talk about why the Heat have had a terrible start compared to the Celtic's start 3 years ago where it seemed like they couldn't be beat.

Corey
11-23-2010, 08:09 PM
I agree with a few posts from earlier in this thread, but I haven't seen a few things mentioned:

1) Boston took their pre-season to Italy the first year. They were forced to live together, eat together, travel together, play together, learn together, go on tours together, and didn't have a choice. They knew each other, from roster spot 1 to 15, and already knew each other's tendencies from the beginning.

2) Doc Rivers. He might not be the best coach ever, but he's absolutely fantastic at managing veterans. Along with Thibs as the defensive coach, the coaching staff had a great play-making coach in Doc, and a great defensive coach in Thibs, and both could relate to the players.

3) The Boston big three was older. They experienced all of the ups and downs that any NBA player could have. They already achieved all the personal goals and aspirations they had outside of winning a championship. They all agreed to sacrifice their game for the team, which Miami can still do.

4) The bench. James Posey is one of the more underrated bench players ever. He's a perfect glue guy. Very solid shooter from 3, very good perimeter defender, and a good leader. Pairing him with Eddie House, PJ Brown (at the end), a healthy Leon Powe, a veteran Sam Cassell, Glen Davis, Tony Allen. They were just plain deep, and had players that complemented each other very well.

They were literally a family from day 1.

(And for the people saying "WAIT TIL APRIL!", no. The Celtics started that season 29-3. It's not even close.)

smith&wesson
11-23-2010, 08:17 PM
I agree with a few posts from earlier in this thread, but I haven't seen a few things mentioned:

1) Boston took their pre-season to Italy the first year. They were forced to live together, eat together, travel together, play together, learn together, go on tours together, and didn't have a choice. They knew each other, from roster spot 1 to 15, and already knew each other's tendencies from the beginning.

2) Doc Rivers. He might not be the best coach ever, but he's absolutely fantastic at managing veterans. Along with Thibs as the defensive coach, the coaching staff had a great play-making coach in Doc, and a great defensive coach in Thibs, and both could relate to the players.

3) The Boston big three was older. They experienced all of the ups and downs that any NBA player could have. They already achieved all the personal goals and aspirations they had outside of winning a championship. They all agreed to sacrifice their game for the team, which Miami can still do.

4) The bench. James Posey is one of the more underrated bench players ever. He's a perfect glue guy. Very solid shooter from 3, very good perimeter defender, and a good leader. Pairing him with Eddie House, PJ Brown (at the end), a healthy Leon Powe, a veteran Sam Cassell, Glen Davis, Tony Allen. They were just plain deep, and had players that complemented each other very well.

They were literally a family from day 1.

(And for the people saying "WAIT TIL APRIL!", no. The Celtics started that season 29-3. It's not even close.)



Its all very true.

but the celtics window is closing, where as miami's is just opening.

i still think the celtics win vs the heat in 7 games even though the celtics are getting older.

Bruno
11-23-2010, 08:18 PM
Boston's big 3 had far more complete players.

Pierce could post up, shoot the 3, play off the ball, play on the ball, rebound, and defend one on one. Allen could move off the ball and run around screens, put the ball on the floor as a temp PG at times, finish at the rim, and defend one on one. KG could post up, face up, rebound, and defend the post one on one though he was a better help defender.

Lebron can't hit mid range jumpers consistently, play off the ball for long stretches, play lockdown defense one on one, or post up. Wade is only an average one on one defender at best, he has a mid range j but his 3 ball is uber streaky, he has no post game, and he is used to having the ball in his hands. Bosh can post up even though he is a better face up player and he is soft as hell when it comes to protecting the basket and defending his guy one on one in the post.

The Boston big 3 fit better from jump, just like Kobe, Lamar, and Pau fit better from their first game together. They are comprised of more versatile and complete players simple and plain. Anyone who can't admit that is kidding themselves or blinded by homerism or pyrotechnics in the Heat's case


I agree with a few posts from earlier in this thread, but I haven't seen a few things mentioned:

1) Boston took their pre-season to Italy the first year. They were forced to live together, eat together, travel together, play together, learn together, go on tours together, and didn't have a choice. They knew each other, from roster spot 1 to 15, and already knew each other's tendencies from the beginning.

2) Doc Rivers. He might not be the best coach ever, but he's absolutely fantastic at managing veterans. Along with Thibs as the defensive coach, the coaching staff had a great play-making coach in Doc, and a great defensive coach in Thibs, and both could relate to the players.

3) The Boston big three was older. They experienced all of the ups and downs that any NBA player could have. They already achieved all the personal goals and aspirations they had outside of winning a championship. They all agreed to sacrifice their game for the team, which Miami can still do.

4) The bench. James Posey is one of the more underrated bench players ever. He's a perfect glue guy. Very solid shooter from 3, very good perimeter defender, and a good leader. Pairing him with Eddie House, PJ Brown (at the end), a healthy Leon Powe, a veteran Sam Cassell, Glen Davis, Tony Allen. They were just plain deep, and had players that complemented each other very well.

They were literally a family from day 1.

(And for the people saying "WAIT TIL APRIL!", no. The Celtics started that season 29-3. It's not even close.)

These two posts hit the nail on the head.

Everyone knows Miami has all the talent in the world, but how long will it take for these pieces that don't necessarily compliment each-other as well as previous big 3's (even if more talented 1-3, individually speaking) to mesh?

Phil Jackson said at the start of the year that talent doesn't always result in winning. He referenced his ow 2004 Lakers, and the Lakers trio of West-Chamberlin-Baylor as examples of teams with infinite individual talent who had a hard time clicking as a TEAM.

The Cavs are 5-7, two games behind Miami. The Cavs would have a better record right now with LeBron than the Heat do currently. That Cavs team was a good example of a team with no huge all-star other than LeBron, who functioned perfectly during the regular season as a team, the pieces complimented eachother better, even if those pieces were less talent than what LeBron has to work with in Miami right now.

Kingz4L
11-23-2010, 08:26 PM
Boston had better role players...now a days it seems like in order to be a good team and have an edge you need to have a good point guard, the Heat dont have that...you dont see Pierce running the offense...Miami needs Lebron to play Pierce's type of role, Wade has to play Ray Allens and Bosh has to be like KG....now will they sacrifice that kind of commitment remains to be seen.

Corey
11-23-2010, 08:28 PM
Its all very true.

but the celtics window is closing, where as miami's is just opening.


I dont think anyone is arguing that, though. The thread was just asking why the Celtics were able to get off to such a quick start when the Heat haven't.

smith&wesson
11-23-2010, 08:36 PM
I dont think anyone is arguing that, though. The thread was just asking why the Celtics were able to get off to such a quick start when the Heat haven't.

the point was that the celtics at theyre age are still more of "TEAM" then miami is.

Personally i think a large part of it has to do with rondo.

neither pierce or allen half to dominate the ball and rondo gets every one involved.

the heat simply dont have that. the ball is either in wades hands or lebrons.

aman_13
11-23-2010, 08:38 PM
Lebron needs to develop a post game, this will allow the Heat to run a more effecient offense, and they won't be as predictable. Spo needs to run more plays for Wade and Lebron, he needs to get them the ball in different places. It can't just always be Lebron attack, then Wade attack.

CLASSOF72
11-23-2010, 09:03 PM
When are people going to realise that although very tallented LBJ is a media creation and not a champion? Wade on the other hand is a champ and I think sharing the ball with LeWanda is hurting his game. The Heat should have turned James away, kept Bosh and Miller and spent the rest of the cap on some top role players including a decent big.

Eja_30
11-23-2010, 09:23 PM
Lebron needs to develop a post game, this will allow the Heat to run a more effecient offense, and they won't be as predictable. Spo needs to run more plays for Wade and Lebron, he needs to get them the ball in different places. It can't just always be Lebron attack, then Wade attack.

This is what I'm talking about. I know it's early in the season but the main responsibility for the team's success falls on Erik Spoelstra having a system in place that works for the talent he's got. If he's really the right man for the job of coach he'll implement a system that works and hold his players (especially the big "3") accountable for their play. Since we're on the topic of comparing the Boston Big 3 to the Miami Big 3, I'd be willing to bet that Boston's coach Doc Rivers would be more successful in getting through to Wade, James and Bosh. I mean how can the Heat player's take their coach seriously, he hasn't even hit puberty yet? Maybe if Spoelstra were more experienced in dealing with caliber players and got some plastic surgery from the same surgeon that worked on Mickey Rourke the heat team would take him seriously. I hope Pat Riley gives Spoelstra the boot and takes the reins. That guy looks like he's killed a few people.

bagwell368
11-23-2010, 10:14 PM
Celts:

More diverse talents/positions

Better bench, and solid guys at 5 and 1

Older guys, starting at a career with no ring, much more motivated to make it work

Great defensive coach and a great team leader/defender. Nobody in Miami fits that role.

Miami:

In Miami it's a 2, 3 and 4 (but really a stretched 3, that doesn't rebound enough). Lesser Center and PG. Way lesser bench.

They are young and think they will play forever. They won't

Over hyped, too many issues. Need more talent behind them (5, 4, 1 - even solid role players would help).

The biggest problem is Lebron and Wade can't play offense without the ball. Bosh can't establish on the low post against a real 4 (like KG who makes him a beach), he can't really create his own offense, he has to work with rebounds or off the basket via feeds.

Just because you can sign a couple of big buck FA's to add to your own, doesn't mean it's a team, or will work out of the gate.

Riley will have the team by Jan 15th. It will take them until '12-'13 and better role players and a more driven mature defensive unselfish attitude to win. Will they implode first? They might.

LeBron called to much attention down on himself and them. He's a basketball player, not a world wide celebrity. He is if he wants to win some rings.

tdunk21
11-23-2010, 10:21 PM
boston's big 3 clicked coz the rest of boston's big 3 actually played good if not on offense they did a good job on defense....miami big 3 is good but the rest of the team is just scrubs...

zambo4president
11-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Boston's big 3 made sense. Dominant big, Scoring wing, Deadly Shooter. Miami has a Point Forward, Scoring Guard, Offensive Big Man. The Boston 3 were all very experienced. None of them were really concerned with their ego's that much either, LeBron is full of himself, Wade's feelin himself and we know Bosh thinks he's the ****.

D-Leethal
11-24-2010, 12:05 AM
Bostons big 3 actually compliment one another

ink
11-24-2010, 12:09 AM
Bostons big 3 actually complement one another

This. Pretty simple really. They all play DIFFERENT, complementary games.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-24-2010, 12:25 AM
Boston had a post defender, a shooter and a slasher.

Heat have 3 guys who thrived for the ball in their hands and don't do much outside of that.

In Boston, Garnett would still be effective because of his defense, Ray only needs the ball for 1 second and he will kill you, and Pierce was the guy who usually set eveything up.

In Miami, Bosh can't do much unless he sees the ball cuz he can't defend or rebound for his life. Wade and Lebron are not great shooters meaning they need the ball to drive. Wade and Lebron also take so much jump shots. So basically, you have 2 guys who either usually set up the offense or score for themselves but Lebron can't really set up Wade and vice versa since the person they are passing it too is just going to handle the ball anyways or take a shot they know they aren't good at.

mzgrizz
11-24-2010, 12:27 AM
I think it is a maturity factor. The Boston 3 are older and wiser and look livelier!!!

Bruno
11-24-2010, 02:28 AM
Lebron needs to develop a post game, this will allow the Heat to run a more effecient offense, and they won't be as predictable. Spo needs to run more plays for Wade and Lebron, he needs to get them the ball in different places. It can't just always be Lebron attack, then Wade attack.

I agree. If LeBron can develop a consistent post game then he really would become unstoppable.

IMO, when LeBron ages and he loses athleticism he's going to have to transition into more of a post player anyways. LeBron should work with The Dream every off season for the next three years.

JayHunter
11-24-2010, 03:35 AM
Neither of the big 3 needs the ball in their hand to be effective

KB24PG16
11-24-2010, 03:46 AM
because the cavs owner didnt put a curse on bostonm maybe thats the reason :laugh2:

Enemey
11-24-2010, 03:51 AM
Miami Big EGO's!!!

heathonater
11-24-2010, 04:29 AM
no one knew how good rondo was at the time, and perkins was a great defensive center for boston's big 3. miami doesnt have a center or pg like boston did in the 07-08 season.

Mochalman
11-24-2010, 04:34 AM
rondo didnt even start the first year did he? i thought it was pruitt? could be mistaken tough.

AIRMAR72
11-24-2010, 05:23 AM
Boston's big 3 made sense. Dominant big, Scoring wing, Deadly Shooter. Miami has a Point Forward, Scoring Guard, Offensive Big Man. The Boston 3 were all very experienced. None of them were really concerned with their ego's that much either, LeBron is full of himself, Wade's feelin himself and we know Bosh thinks he's the ****.
i like bron but hes nowhere near the player like scottie pippen was offensively and defensively for me to call him point forward... bron needs a lane are pick to be effective going to the basket no true post-up game (same for wade) they both need da ball to be productive bosch is solid but not the answer when comes down defending the paint they need a rebounding energentic center someone like noah,camby verisol(Dude on da cavs) since wade and bron prefer to play the passing lane and off da ball defense if they dont address getting a penerating PG this can get really bad

YankeesR#2
11-24-2010, 07:11 AM
At the start of the season Doc Rivers sat the three players down and said "This is Paul's team. At the end of the game he is going to get the ball." Then he told Ray Allen "Ray you are the one who is going to have to make the biggest adjustment. You are not going to get the number of shots you are used to taking."

At least that is what they said on TV (I wasn't actually there)

Corey
11-24-2010, 07:33 AM
rondo didnt even start the first year did he? i thought it was pruitt? could be mistaken tough.

Mistaken indeed.

Delonte and Telfair were the starters that year. Pruitt wasn't drafted yet.

tcav701
11-24-2010, 08:20 AM
Mistaken indeed.

Delonte and Telfair were the starters that year. Pruitt wasn't drafted yet.

Thats impossible.

Delonte was traded for Ray.
Telfair was traded for KG.

It was Rondo, he had a 20 assist game in the finals i think.

xbrackattackx
11-24-2010, 11:36 AM
Because Ray Allen is amazing.

magichatnumber9
11-24-2010, 11:41 AM
Thats impossible.

Delonte was traded for Ray.
Telfair was traded for KG.

It was Rondo, he had a 20 assist game in the finals i think.You read the original question wrong, he was talking about Rondo's rookie season.

tcav701
11-24-2010, 11:46 AM
You read the original question wrong, he was talking about Rondo's rookie season.

Ahhh

See i thought this was about this Big 3's first year. How silly of me to think people stayed on topic.

Hunter48MVP
11-24-2010, 11:49 AM
James and Wade have to much of a big ego. They can't work together.

obcha22
11-24-2010, 12:09 PM
Boston's big three were defined players who were ready to be a team. They came into it quietly and with hunger. Miami's big 3 are entitled (Not Wade) and still finding out who they are on the court. I think the work ethic and combined IQ of the Celtics 3 far outweighs that of the Miami 3. THe Celtics 3 were unconcerned with media hype and did all their interviews together and for the most part in uniform. Miami... Hype is an understatement. Boston's 3 were never known to give up or give in as players no matter what the score or situation. Miami... (ahem Queen James and playoffs)
At the end of the day the Boston 3 had to fight for everything they got. And they had that respect for each other, as fighters. Miami respected each others' ability (they are great players, no doubt) and each others' marketing potential.
I would trust any of the Celtics 3 to take a shot at the end of the game. Wade is the only one on Miami that i'd trust. (yes lefaun has done it many times. But not when it counted like Wade)
If I were starting a team and could have my choice, (age aside) The celts 3. And THAT HURTS TO SAY...because I'm a Knicks fan lol

cheetos185
11-24-2010, 12:14 PM
Both big 3's were built around a SF, SG, and PF. Boston had a young PG and C who were still learning at the time and they had a comparable bench to the Heat. The Heat have 2 of the top 3 or 4 players in the game right now, Boston had 1 top 5 player in KG. The Heat seem to have no balance, while Boston ran very smooth with few bumps in the road.

My question is: Why are people including the media trting to let the Heat off the hook, by saying they need time to gel and all of this other BS? Boston had the same expectations and were all playing together for the 1st time. Boston met expectations from day 1 and kept it going till the end of the season.

The Boston big 3 sacrificed and played for eachother, they all had one goal and to the it didn't matter how they won or who scored. I don't see any sacrificing with the Heat big 3

Because KG is a leader i don't think same can be said of lebron or wade great players but there ego is greater than winning

awmathewsjr
11-24-2010, 12:32 PM
So many reasons. Boston's 3 were hungrier, they all came from non playoff teams the previous year and none of them had rings. And maybe it's just me but Chris Bosh isn't exactly the same caliber as these other 5 guys. Lebron came from a team that had the best record in the league so even though he stated "This is Wade's team" he really doesn't feel that way. Plus Wade has already carried Miami to a championship so he's not as hungry as he claims to be.

RaiderLakersA's
11-24-2010, 01:28 PM
A guess: Because Boston's Big 3 were older.

Youth brings a certain hubris and lack of focus (e.g., Bosh's comment about wanting to "chill" in practice). But when you're a mature player who has struggled for years, and the majority of your prime is behind you, you come into the game with a different mindset. You already know that you can't do it alone and you make a concerted effort to put the team first. I'm not saying that Miami's 3 amigos won't eventually get on the same page, but they haven't gotten there yet.

The Celtics also benefitted from having a hardnosed coaching staff. Not just Doc, but his assistants, who helped sharpen the blades on those old swords.

samevans7
11-24-2010, 01:56 PM
2008 Celtics Roster (main 10 ppl who played over 800 min with Boston that year)
C: Kendrick Perkins
PF: Kevin Garnett, Glen Davis, Leon Powe
SF: Paul Pierce, James Posey,
SG: Ray Allen, Tony Allen
PG: Rajon Rondo, Eddie House

As much as that front 5 worked well, the main key was when the starters were not in.

Powe and Davis were strong backup big men (7.9 ppg, 4.5 ppg)
Posey could score, and was great defensively (7.4 ppg)
Tony could play great defense, and would occasionally score (6.6 ppg)
Eddie was a great jump-shoot 3 man, and took over Ray's role when he wasn't in (7.5 ppg)

Thats about 34 points from your bench players. The BIG 3 combined for 56 points. And Rondo and Perk had a combined 18. Thats about 108 points per game, and its spread out well. The bench scores about a third of the points, which it should

You take MIA's 10 with the most minutes:

C: Joel Anthony, Zyndrunas Ilgauskas
PF: Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem
SF: LeBron James, James Jones
SG: Dwayne Wade
PG: Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Eddie House

Their Bench averages 32 pts per game, which isnt too bad.

But for their starters, if you take out the big 3, your starters are averaging 9 pts per game, half of what Boston's was.

and this stat doesnt say much, but if you look at the player's stats "per 36 minutes", backup PF Leon Powe would have more points and rebounds than Chris Bosh.

To succeed in the NBA, you need a good TEAM, not a good duo. Look at the Lakers, who have gone to the NBA Finals the past 3 years. They have a great TEAM, led by great players

arkanian215
11-24-2010, 02:07 PM
Miami's story would be a lot different if Miller was healthy to start the season. He was one of the key role players that Miami managed to get. Miller, House and Haslem are excellent complements to Wade and LeBron. Also Anthony is no KP. They definitely need a guy who can gobble up the boards down low although Haslem was doing pretty well on that front.

Chronz
11-24-2010, 05:24 PM
2008 Celtics Roster (main 10 ppl who played over 800 min with Boston that year)
C: Kendrick Perkins
PF: Kevin Garnett, Glen Davis, Leon Powe
SF: Paul Pierce, James Posey,
SG: Ray Allen, Tony Allen
PG: Rajon Rondo, Eddie House

As much as that front 5 worked well, the main key was when the starters were not in.

Powe and Davis were strong backup big men (7.9 ppg, 4.5 ppg)
Posey could score, and was great defensively (7.4 ppg)
Tony could play great defense, and would occasionally score (6.6 ppg)
Eddie was a great jump-shoot 3 man, and took over Ray's role when he wasn't in (7.5 ppg)

Thats about 34 points from your bench players. The BIG 3 combined for 56 points. And Rondo and Perk had a combined 18. Thats about 108 points per game, and its spread out well. The bench scores about a third of the points, which it should

You take MIA's 10 with the most minutes:

C: Joel Anthony, Zyndrunas Ilgauskas
PF: Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem
SF: LeBron James, James Jones
SG: Dwayne Wade
PG: Carlos Arroyo, Mario Chalmers, Eddie House

Their Bench averages 32 pts per game, which isnt too bad.

But for their starters, if you take out the big 3, your starters are averaging 9 pts per game, half of what Boston's was.

and this stat doesnt say much, but if you look at the player's stats "per 36 minutes", backup PF Leon Powe would have more points and rebounds than Chris Bosh.

To succeed in the NBA, you need a good TEAM, not a good duo. Look at the Lakers, who have gone to the NBA Finals the past 3 years. They have a great TEAM, led by great players
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