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Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 05:06 PM
NBA ALL-TIME REDRAFT FINALS

Boston Has Home Court Advantage


Every once in a while, PSD holds an NBA All-Time ReDraft. Players that were eligible to be drafted must have played in the 1980-1981 season or beyond. The intention of this rule was to ensure that PSD community had better knowledge of the players being drafted and voted on. Please take the time to look over the players and the teams and vote for the better squad. We thank you for your time as your votes are important to determining an NBA All Time ReDraft champion.

The Finals match-up features the top seeded Boston Celtics versus the second seeded Golden State Warriors. The Boston Celtics have home-court advantage.

Please evaluate each player based on how well they played in their prime; injuries have no bearing on this game what so ever. Most of the GM’s have taken the time to create a clubhouse with stats for their player which is based on each player’s best three consecutive seasons. Please Click the Team logo at the bottom where "Stats is indicated for in depth stats"


http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/Boston.png..............http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w34/RareNBALogos/GoldenState.png
BOSTON CELTICS (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14910485&postcount=2) v. GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14918292&postcount=24)


PROJECTED STARTING LINEUPS:


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PG...........SG..........SF..........PF........... C
http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/kevin_johnson.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/anfernee_hardaway.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/scottie_pippen.jpg http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/2986/611710-bill_laimbeer_icon.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/dwight_howard.jpg
JOHNSON (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnske02.html)----HARDAWAY (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hardaan01.html)----PIPPEN (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html)----LAIMBEER (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laimbbi01.html)----HOWARD (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01.html)


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PG...........SG..........SF..........PF........... C
http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/allen_iverson.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/reggie_theus.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/ron_artest.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/horace_grant.jpg http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/shaquille_oneal.jpg
IVERSON (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/iversal01.html)----THEUS (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/theusre01.html)----ARTEST (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/artesro01.html)----GRANT (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grantho01.html)----O'NEAL (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01.html)


STATS:

http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/nba/teams/20080123/80x60/bos.gif (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14910485&postcount=2)...............http://l.yimg.com/a/i/us/sp/v/nba/teams/20080123/80x60/gsw.gif (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14918292&postcount=24)

DEPTH CHART:
Celtics
PG: Kevin Johnson / Terrell Brandon
SG: Penny Hardaway / Byron Scott
SF: Scottie Pippen / Byron Russell / Rudy Gay
PF: Bill Laimbeer / Christian Laettner
C: Dwight Howard / Shawn Bradley

Warriors
PG: Allen Iverson/Otis Birdsong/John Paxson
SG: Reggie Theus/Jeff Malone
SF: Ron Artest/Jim Paxson
PF: Horace Grant/Terry Cummings
C: Shaquille O'Neal/Dale Davis/Raef LaFrentz



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Celtics Write UP:

I want to first off my congratulations to the Warriors for emerging as the champions of western conference. I believe this will be one great series and will be very entertaining from start to finish.

I would like to do my write up this time based on some key points and my main reasoning why I believe the Celtics would win this series.

1) The greatest asset and biggest strength of the Warriors is Shaq. He made a living in his prime feasting on weaker and smaller centers. Though in this series, Shaq would not have that luxury. Howard is a 2 time defensive player of the year and a terrific post defender/shot blocker. He is extremely athletic and has a very strong upper body. I am more than confident that Howard has the length and ability to defend Shaq effectively throughout this series. Throw in the fact that I have Bill Laimbeer to guard Shaq as well and you have the makings of a tough series for O’Neal. Laimbeer is a very physical PF/C with the ability to match the physical game of O’Neal and can control the glass with the best of them. Shaq is also as many of you know, a terrible free throw shooter. I would have no problem putting Shaq on the line and making him earn his points from the free throw line . Having two very talented big men in Laimbeer and Howard is truly a luxury and a benefit to me in this series and gives me many options against O’Neal.

2) Scottie Pippen will see time guarding Allen Iverson. Why would I not give Pippen the opportunity to guard Iverson? Pippen is an 8 time all defensive first team member and a 2 time 2nd team defensive member. He is very quick, long and posses great defensive awareness. Pippen could afford to play off Iverson due to Iverson’s weakness as a 3 point shooter. In Iverson’s prime from 00-03, he was a 30% 3 point shooter. Pippen should be able to use his length and quickness to his advantage and cause Iverson to take many off balanced and low percentage shots. Pippen would push Iverson well outside his natural comfort zone in terms of Iverson’s shot selection. I am not saying Pippen is faster or quicker than Iverson but he is more than quick enough to hand with Iverson on the court. Kevin Johnson would also see some time on Iverson and while not being more than an average defender; his quickness would certainly be a test for Iverson on the offensive end.

3) Who is the distributor on offense for the Warriors? Iverson in his prime never averaged above 5.5 assists per game. He was a very selfish player with a me first mentality. I can’t see Iverson feeding the ball into the post to Shaq when Iverson consistently opted to take his own shot instead of looking for a teammate. Theus in the tail end of his career became a good distributor but would he see the ball enough with Iverson in the offense? I certainly doubt it.

4) Penny Hardaway will be the key player in this series as he will be matched up against Reggie Theus. Theus in his career was never much of a defensive player and never played any meaningful basketball. He never made it out of the first round in his career. On the other side is Penny Hardaway, one of the most versatile offensive players in his prime. Hardaway had a very polished offensive game, highlighted by his elite mid-range, back to the basket game with a great turnaround jumper. Hardaway was near unstoppable in his prime and I see no way Theus would be able to hang with Hardaway in this series. Hardaway could very well be the leading scorer in this series due to this favorable match up.

5) Balanced scoring attack. Some may argue I have no definitive number 1 option but I could not disagree more. Hardaway and Pippen could both be go guy in any given series. As I have mentioned earlier, this series offers a favorable match up for Hardaway. I like that my team is not reliant on any one player to score any given possession, especially when I have 5 guys who can all shoulder the load at any given night on the offensive end.

6) Team Defense is what makes this Celtics team elite. Hardaway was a good defender in his prime and Laimbeer, Howard and Pippen were all great to elite defensive players in their primes. All of them play great man to man defense and know how to play good help defense. This Celtics team is not reliant on simply one player to set the defensive tone for this series but can rely on many. This team is built on defense and the series will be won on defense.

7) Home Court Advantage. No one should take this for granted. This series could very well go to a full 7 games and having that 6th man on the floor will be a huge advantage. Few venues can compare to what can be had in Boston for a playoff NBA game. Boston having home court in this series is just another reason why the Celtics win another title.



WARRIORS WRITE UP

Front Court:

The center position will have the most anticipated matchup of this series. The Warriors have Shaquille O'Neal going up against Dwight Howard of the Celtics. Both players are absolute monsters in their primes. They can easily carry a team on both sides of the court. Shaq has the weight advantage over Howard, which could come in handy. Shaq also has a more polished offensive game as well. He should cause Dwight to be in foul trouble most of the game. Shaq shows more skill, finesse, speed, and an all around game, compared to Dwight just dunking. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6PaQc6MvRE

At power forward, it is Horace Grant vs. Bill Laimbeer. Grant is widely known for his defense, having been on the All Second NBA Defense team for four years in a row. Laimbeer is a versatile big man that can hit shots from anywhere on the floor. Grant should be able to disrupt Laimbeer's game and force turnovers.

The small forward matchup is an interesting one. One of the greatest defensive wing man in Ron Artest goes up against one of the greatest players ever in Scottie Pippen. Pippen brings a little bit of everything night in and night out. Artest is a former defensive player of the year that will get underneath Pippin's skin by bothering him all series. Artest can score as well being a 20ppg scorer. In the end, if Artest can stop Pippen, the Warriors will win easily.

Back Court:

At shooting guard, the Warriors have Reggie Theus and the Celtics have Penny Hardaway. Penny is mainly a scorer for the Celtics, a team that has no true number one. Theus can score as well being a 18ppg scorer in his prime. The main advantage that Theus has over Hardaway is the height advantage. Theus is listed at 6'8. He will post up on Hardaway all day, causing Hardaway to be in foul trouble. Theus can also dish out assists, which can be seen from the 8apg average.

At point guard, Allen Iverson goes up against Kevin Johnson. Johnson is more of a passer. Although he can score, on the Celtics he will primarily be depended on to dish the ball. Iverson on the other hand will be the primary scoring option with Shaq. The former scoring champ will have the green light to shoot. Iverson is also one of the quickest point guards ever. In the end, I don't think Johnson will be able to stop Iverson and his 28ppg average. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F1Hy3nai7o

Bench:

Both teams have a solid supporting cast. The Celtics have players like Brandon, Laettner, and Bradley whereas the Warriors have Cummings, Paxson and Malone. The Warriors bench is more experienced in the playoffs, which could come in handy. They also compliment their starters nicely.

Congratulations to Mile High Champ for making it to the Finals. He had a great team. In the end, it will come down to the center, small forward, and point guard matchups. Shaq should be able to outplay Dwight on the offensive end and stop him on the defensive end. If Artest can stop Pippen, the Warriors will easily win the series. Iverson's scoring will also be key in this series. Having no true number one option also hurts the Celtics. The Warriors should win the Finals in a hard fought, seven game series.

JordansBulls
11-18-2010, 05:11 PM
Warriors in 7 because Shaq is the best player on the floor by a big margin.

Why is Horace Grant starting over Terry Cummings? Terry Cummings was much more of a star than Grant was.

Chacarron
11-18-2010, 05:12 PM
I like the Warriors in this one.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 05:13 PM
Warriors in 7 because Shaq is the best player on the floor by a big margin.

Why is Horace Grant starting over Terry Cummings? Terry Cummings was much more of a star than Grant was.

Howard and Laimbeer could handle Shaq in the post, I don't think it would be that easy at all for Shaq.

JordansBulls
11-18-2010, 05:19 PM
Howard and Laimbeer could handle Shaq in the post, I don't think it would be that easy at all for Shaq.

Mutombo couldn't handle Shaq and this when Mutombo was DPOY.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 05:20 PM
Mutombo couldn't handle Shaq and this when Mutombo was DPOY.

Howard is more physical and much more athletic than Mutombo. But I guess that is a whole other debate.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 05:35 PM
Anyone reading the write ups? I hope so..

John Walls Era
11-18-2010, 05:35 PM
I rode Green this whole redraft, but I'm going Gold now. The Warriors match up really well. Key matchups which favor Warriors: Ron Artest on Pippen (Pippen is better, but its a solid matchup since the Warriors have a great defender against the C's best), Shaq vs Dwight.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 05:40 PM
I rode Green this whole redraft, but I'm going Gold now. The Warriors match up really well. Key matchups which favor Warriors: Ron Artest on Pippen (Pippen is better, but its a solid matchup since the Warriors have a great defender against the C's best), Shaq vs Dwight.

Pippen would mostly guard iverson in this series so pippen would still have the task of shutting down Iverson despite on paper matching up against artest.

BOSTON617
11-18-2010, 05:44 PM
i voted celtics i think howard can do a great job stopping shaq but it was a hard choice i picked green tho

News24/7
11-18-2010, 05:49 PM
warriors by far. in 5 or 6

Agar81
11-18-2010, 05:57 PM
Celtics by far. Come to your senses

alencp3
11-18-2010, 06:00 PM
Shaq would rape Dwight and Iverson is too much to handle
Btw any final matchup without Jordan is not final matchup

JermanJaysFan
11-18-2010, 06:02 PM
Celtics. They've got the strength up front to limit Shaq, especially using hack-a-Shaq. Pippen and Penny on the wings is great. I just don't see the Warriors beating this complete unit.

Lloyd Christmas
11-18-2010, 06:04 PM
Laimbeer would punch Shaq in the throat, Shaq would retaliate, and both players would be suspended for the series. Without Shaq, the Celtics win in 5.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 06:05 PM
warriors by far. in 5 or 6

Care to explain, no way this series go less than 6 games, plus home court advantage would ensure no quick series for GState.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 06:07 PM
Laimbeer would punch Shaq in the throat, Shaq would retaliate, and both players would be suspended for the series. Without Shaq, the Celtics win in 5.

Haha should of included that in my write up.

phlp_bj
11-18-2010, 06:15 PM
good job w/ the format of the post mile high lol.

everyone should read the writeups. at least watch the videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6PaQc6MvRE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F1Hy3nai7o

jimbobjarree
11-18-2010, 06:20 PM
Boston

phlp_bj
11-18-2010, 06:21 PM
Warriors in 7 because Shaq is the best player on the floor by a big margin.

Why is Horace Grant starting over Terry Cummings? Terry Cummings was much more of a star than Grant was.

ya i thought about starting cummings, but figured grant's defense alongside shaq would be much better to start. cummings' offense off the bench will be a nice compliment to grant

John Walls Era
11-18-2010, 07:04 PM
Pippen would mostly guard iverson in this series so pippen would still have the task of shutting down Iverson despite on paper matching up against artest.

I definitely read the writeups, I took that into account. However he has ARtest on Pippen, which was what i was referring to.

Hawkeye15
11-18-2010, 07:26 PM
slap Pippen on Iverson, and add the defensive depth at the C spot for Boston, they have enough to slow Shaq just enough for me. Boston in 6-7

Hawkeye15
11-18-2010, 07:27 PM
Laimbeer would punch Shaq in the throat, Shaq would retaliate, and both players would be suspended for the series. Without Shaq, the Celtics win in 5.

haha, that is actually funny. And possible

SugeKnight
11-18-2010, 07:45 PM
Howard gets in foul trouble against the shaq of today. Prime shaq will dominate this team and Iverson was unstoppable. Warriors

zambo4president
11-18-2010, 08:06 PM
I went Boston, but was very close to going Golden State

KnicksorBust
11-18-2010, 08:16 PM
Shaq would rape Dwight and Iverson is too much to handle
Btw any final matchup without Jordan is not final matchup

Well that's incredibly flawed logic. A poorly drafted Jordan team would definately lose to a well drafted superteam using prime players from the past 30 years.

Now that I got that out of my system I'm going Warriors. They have the most dominant center of the modern era and the Celtics have Shawn Bradley and Christian Laettner as their backup bigs. Plus KJ is going to get abused no matter who he guards.

zambo4president
11-18-2010, 08:55 PM
Shaq would rape Dwight and Iverson is too much to handle
Btw any final matchup without Jordan is not final matchup

You must not of seen the Jordan team:laugh2:

Ebbs
11-18-2010, 09:30 PM
Lol at the punching shaq in the throat comment....

phlp_bj
11-18-2010, 10:05 PM
pippen will beat up laimbeer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vaNoMvoDU

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 10:15 PM
Well that's incredibly flawed logic. A poorly drafted Jordan team would definately lose to a well drafted superteam using prime players from the past 30 years.

Now that I got that out of my system I'm going Warriors. They have the most dominant center of the modern era and the Celtics have Shawn Bradley and Christian Laettner as their backup bigs. Plus KJ is going to get abused no matter who he guards.

Not sure I get your argument. I could care less who is behind Laimbeer or Howard. Both players are the only guys who would ever cover Shaq in this series. Laettner was a fine player in his prime, 18 and 8 is not garbage by any means and Bradley was a straight up shot blocker. Man you got some serious hate on for KJ huh, he was one hell of a player and regarded by many as one of the best PG's of all time. Had he stayed healthy his whole career he would of been a top 5 pg easily.

Mile High Champ
11-18-2010, 10:22 PM
Kevin Johnson's prime (1988-89 to 90-91) – 21.7 ppg, 11.2 apg, 1.7 spg, 51 FG%, Total Wins Shares 36.50, Win Shares per season 12.17, 119 ORtg Avg, 86 FT%, 7.7 Free Throw attempts per game,

How is that not incredible, especially the 12.17 win share average he had over that 3 year period..

NYKalltheway
11-18-2010, 10:32 PM
Very tough game.

Shaq on Howard, I wanna say sorry to those who believe that Howard stands a chance in containing Shaq. Howard's 2 DPOY don't really mean much in probably the weakest era for centers in the NBA.
Nice way to use Pippen on Iverson who will still average over 15 PPG no matter what (would have been a lot more if Pippen wasn't on him), but Reggie Theus can get the job done if not AI. I guess that leaves Johnson on Artest....

Warriors is a hell of an offensive team and Celtics one hell of a defensive team. I see more offensive power in Warriors than defensive for Celtics so that's how I opted to vote for Warriors.

Duncan = Donkey
11-18-2010, 10:42 PM
Boston

ManRam
11-18-2010, 11:18 PM
Wow, this is tough. Poor man's Shaq vs. Shaq. Poor man's Scottie vs. Scottie. Lambier and Grant are very similar players...

This is tough. I think Penny could take Reggie, and Iverson takes Kevin. So I'm where I started. Benches are a wash.

I think Golden State, in their prime, would be too much to handle. Shaq and Iverson are just too good. Really similar teams, but Shaq and Iverson's offensive advantage at their positions are the clincher.

Baller1
11-18-2010, 11:51 PM
Shaq thrusts the Warriors to a series win in 6.

Raps18-19 Champ
11-19-2010, 01:25 AM
I went Warriors.

I know that Pippen is going to be guarding Iverson but that would lead to a mismatch on whoever Johnson is guarding and would lead to a post up by the 6'8" Theus or 6'&' Artest.

Ebbs
11-19-2010, 01:26 AM
Agreed I think the Answer is the key factor.

believeinNYK
11-19-2010, 02:44 AM
Celticss

ChiTownPacerFan
11-19-2010, 03:04 AM
Golden State easily. Also, maybe I'm missing something, but if Pippen is covering Iverson, can someone explain who Johnson would be guarding?

kingbrentg
11-19-2010, 05:27 AM
Please don't quote the spam, guys.

Niro
11-19-2010, 05:41 AM
hmm warriors in 6..

(yay warriors are winning a final game :o )

x_notorious
11-19-2010, 12:30 PM
I don't think Pippen can keep up with prime AI, no one could. That leaves KJ to the dogs. Prime Shaq was an unstoppable force. Dwight would have no chance and would probably foul out by the 2nd quarter. Artest on Pippen would be a hell of a match-up. Warriors in 6.

Rasser
11-19-2010, 11:02 PM
Artest punchs a Boston fan (theyre at home) in the face for telling him that "Pippen is giving it to them harder then he gives it to his wife". Without Artest, Boston wins in 5.

Plus, I cant see Shaq having an "easy" time with Dwight Howard. Shaq in his prime played over 40 mins a game. With a player like Howard leaning on you all series, not a chance hes out their that long.

phlp_bj
11-19-2010, 11:21 PM
Artest punchs a Boston fan (theyre at home) in the face for telling him that "Pippen is giving it to them harder then he gives it to his wife". Without Artest, Boston wins in 5.

Plus, I cant see Shaq having an "easy" time with Dwight Howard. Shaq in his prime played over 40 mins a game. With a player like Howard leaning on you all series, not a chance hes out their that long.

a prime shaq will out muscle the dwight of today any day.

Rasser
11-19-2010, 11:59 PM
a prime shaq will out muscle the dwight of today any day.

Might be able to out muscle him, but not out last. I think Dwight's endurance will pull through in a series.

Mr. Baller
11-20-2010, 12:10 AM
Warriors in 6. Very close series.

Mile High Champ
11-22-2010, 04:05 PM
Lets get some more votes in. Only 7 votes between us!

Ebbs
11-22-2010, 04:15 PM
lolzzz

phlp_bj
11-22-2010, 06:02 PM
congrats to mile high for making it to the finals. was a fun all time redraft. good job running it as well

kgjfan243
11-22-2010, 11:54 PM
I'd have to take the C's

Mile High Champ
11-23-2010, 09:59 AM
I'd have to take the C's

wish you were a few hours earlier.. haha