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DitchDat
11-16-2010, 02:51 PM
Especially Jeff Green
I love the Thunder and how they built their team through smart drafting, but I'm wondering if they reached a ceiling?

I think they would be better off if they turned some of their young assets into a legit big man.

Thoughts?

jackdawson
11-16-2010, 03:09 PM
James Harden has been underused. They need to start him or give him more minutes. Now if they can't find minutes for him, I think they can get a good big with a package of Harden and Green. Serge Ibaka should be able to play PF I think.

daleja424
11-16-2010, 03:27 PM
yes... this happens over and over again. teams/fans get to infatuated with youth and potential...and then the team plateaus....

There are two ways to handle a team so young:

1) In 2004 Miami had an amazing young core of talent... Pat Riley traded some of it away and got Shaq. HEAT win title. In this model you keep some youth and you infuse veteran talent.

2) The Baby Bulls and Trailbalzers... you sit on the talent to long...and it starts to lose value and your team peaks before it has even made a serious title run.

The Thunder would benefit from moving Green, Harden, etc for some vets and stop relying entirely on potential.

Hawkeye15
11-16-2010, 03:38 PM
yes... this happens over and over again. teams/fans get to infatuated with youth and potential...and then the team plateaus....

There are two ways to handle a team so young:

1) In 2004 Miami had an amazing young core of talent... Pat Riley traded some of it away and got Shaq. HEAT win title. In this model you keep some youth and you infuse veteran talent.

2) The Baby Bulls and Trailbalzers... you sit on the talent to long...and it starts to lose value and your team peaks before it has even made a serious title run.

The Thunder would benefit from moving Green, Harden, etc for some vets and stop relying entirely on potential.


pretty much stole my post haha

xabial
11-16-2010, 03:43 PM
I would, But whose on the Trade Market that would be helpfull to them. I know they Need Size...

Ebbs
11-16-2010, 03:50 PM
I guess I'll take the opposite viewpoint.

Harden
Ibaka
Green
Westbrook
Durant
Aldrich

are all still developing IMO. Thats alot of talent. I think if they stay put another season they look golden. They will get better lakers, mavs will take another step back.

Obviously if you have a great deal take it but I think they should keep there young talent.

BOSTON617
11-16-2010, 03:51 PM
kg and pierce for durant lol i wish

BkOriginalOne
11-16-2010, 03:53 PM
Imagine if they Had Brook Lopez.
Heck, even Gortat would be a nice addition.

spreadeagle
11-16-2010, 03:57 PM
Waka Flocka Ilbaka is a decent bigman

Carey
11-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Its an interesting question that i still havent got a hold on one way or the other. Our core with Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Sefolosha, Aldrich seems to be something they wanna go long term with, we could def. use a veteran presence and scorer, someone who would help them along but come off the books in time for them to re-up Westbrook, Ibaka, etc. So to answer the question i think we may see them look at team slasing salary and try to grab a piece using expiring contracts, future picks but i think they feel they have most of their core and will continue to let them grow.

tredigs
11-16-2010, 04:02 PM
Truth be told, they should look to trade Jeff Green for a solid center.

Ibaka - Can't stop won't stop.

^From the game thread last night. Suffice to say, I do think they need to move Green. Package him with either Collison or Kristic and pick up a legit center to play alongside the emerging dominance that is/will be Serge Ibaka. Do that, and you have yourself a legit contender.

Their front office are no dummies, so I'm curious if they'll push for this move by the deadline (or if they have something else in mind). The rest of the team is now ready, so it's time for them to hit the burners.

ChiTownPacerFan
11-16-2010, 04:21 PM
Kristic and Green for Kaman works. Seems like a good deadline deal (if Kaman is healthy).

n83417
11-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Anyone besides Durant should become available if the right stud big man becomes available. Even Westbrook.

KnicksorBust
11-16-2010, 04:34 PM
Its an interesting question that i still havent got a hold on one way or the other. Our core with Durant, Green, Westbrook, Harden, Ibaka, Sefolosha, Aldrich seems to be something they wanna go long term with, we could def. use a veteran presence and scorer, someone who would help them along but come off the books in time for them to re-up Westbrook, Ibaka, etc. So to answer the question i think we may see them look at team slasing salary and try to grab a piece using expiring contracts, future picks but i think they feel they have most of their core and will continue to let them grow.


^From the game thread last night. Suffice to say, I do think they need to move Green. Package him with either Collison or Kristic and pick up a legit center to play alongside the emerging dominance that is/will be Serge Ibaka. Do that, and you have yourself a legit contender.

Their front office are no dummies, so I'm curious if they'll push for this move by the deadline (or if they have something else in mind). The rest of the team is now ready, so it's time for them to hit the burners.

You two were ready to hang me up by my ankles for this exact thought last year... :)

Mile High Champ
11-16-2010, 04:35 PM
Anyone besides Durant should become available if the right stud big man becomes available. Even Westbrook.

No way Westbrook is dealt, not a chance. Harden or Green maybe..

OaklandsFinest
11-16-2010, 04:43 PM
The only big guy in the league I would see as fitting their system and be worth Harden, Green, and Mo Pete (salary equalizer) would be Dwight Howard.

SluggeR
11-16-2010, 04:46 PM
I say they deal Green fo a shooter to compliment durant or a legit big or draft picks(but do they really need anymore draft picks?).

Room for improvement
Ibaka
Durant
Room for Improvement
Westbrook

Carey
11-16-2010, 05:07 PM
You two were ready to hang me up by my ankles for this exact thought last year... :)

Elaborate, ive always felt we shouldnt and wont trade a core player for a veteran piece unless its really substantial.

AddiX
11-16-2010, 05:21 PM
You need big men who can defend the paint, get easy buckets, and block shots. They don't need to be great by any means. But you need it to be a championship team.

Especially in the playoffs where the game slows down.

Jays Claw
11-16-2010, 05:24 PM
I'd definitely sell high on both Green and Harden.

Lim
11-16-2010, 05:38 PM
they should go after deandre jordan

hgtiger32
11-16-2010, 05:41 PM
You need big men who can defend the paint, get easy buckets, and block shots. They don't need to be great by any means. But you need it to be a championship team.

Especially in the playoffs where the game slows down.

Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard come to mind

Baller1
11-16-2010, 05:45 PM
James Harden, Jeff Green, Nenad Krstic, 2011 1st rounder for Dwight Howard.

I'm at work so I can't really look into salaries and all that, but one can dream right?

Baller1
11-16-2010, 05:49 PM
Actually, we'll trade Krstic and a 2010 1st rounder to Chicago for Ron Adams back.

colinskik
11-16-2010, 05:49 PM
I would, But whose on the Trade Market that would be helpfull to them. I know they Need Size...
This.

Plus, isn't Kristic considered a relatively good big man/veteran presence?

What is it that this team really needs? I don't watch them enough to make an accurate judgement.

Baller1
11-16-2010, 05:52 PM
This.

Plus, isn't Kristic considered a relatively good big man/veteran presence?

What is it that this team really needs? I don't watch them enough to make an accurate judgement.

We need Ron Adams back and a consistent shooter that we're waiting for Harden to become.

joeboow90
11-16-2010, 05:58 PM
yes... this happens over and over again. teams/fans get to infatuated with youth and potential...and then the team plateaus....

There are two ways to handle a team so young:

1) In 2004 Miami had an amazing young core of talent... Pat Riley traded some of it away and got Shaq. HEAT win title. In this model you keep some youth and you infuse veteran talent.

2) The Baby Bulls and Trailbalzers... you sit on the talent to long...and it starts to lose value and your team peaks before it has even made a serious title run.

The Thunder would benefit from moving Green, Harden, etc for some vets and stop relying entirely on potential.


I agree, but I dont think the Thunder should move any of those guys yet. They should give them another year to develop more. They just had their breakout year last year, they should see how this season plays out, add a couple more players through the draft and then maybe package Green and another young player next year, kind of like what Miami did bringing in Shaq

gilly
11-16-2010, 06:13 PM
If Kevin Love is on the block, Love for Green would increase their rebounding and give them another young piece. Would also fit well next to Ibaka who would play C as a defensive shot-blocking big. Sefolosha to play against great swingmen and a shooter like Harden or even Allen (from FA, he'd quite like to be a vet presence on a young team like this I think) and maybe an experienced big and they make the Conf Finals ATLEAST. They would be stacked.

Westbrook/Maynor
Allen/Sefolosha
Durant/Harden
Love/experienced big/Ibaka
Ibaka/Aldrich/Krstic

=

Championship.

J4KOP99
11-16-2010, 06:19 PM
So, who is this "legit" big man that you guys think the Thunder could acquire for Jeff Green + others...?

--I've been saying this since last year. The Thunder aren't going anywhere unless they get a big man... but that's easier said than done.

Johann
11-16-2010, 06:19 PM
too bad mike james went to china...

tcav701
11-16-2010, 06:22 PM
I would try to work out a deal for Marc Gasol and extend him if I was the Thunder. A package worked around Harden or Green could get it done.

Seems like a good fit without giving up too much given the fact Memphis won't extend him.

As far as SG, you'll be able to find shooters in free agency that can start next to Westbrook/KD. Savy veterans like Rip Hamilton (One that comes to mind) would be a nice value and would give you his A game every night.

I'm suprised to see all the Dwight and Brook posts here when Gasol will gve you a better price and is actually a possibility.

Carey
11-16-2010, 06:55 PM
Also keep in mind we are still a little over 6.5 million under the cap so we can take back more salary in a trade then we send out. I could see a deal with a seller around the deadline

DitchDat
11-16-2010, 07:03 PM
I agree, but I dont think the Thunder should move any of those guys yet. They should give them another year to develop more. They just had their breakout year last year, they should see how this season plays out, add a couple more players through the draft and then maybe package Green and another young player next year, kind of like what Miami did bringing in Shaq

I would hate it though if the Thunder went the New Orleans or Atlanta way though. They're all still good, I understand, but somehow they failed to acquire that one missing piece to compliment their already-potent cores.

New Orleans two or three years ago was one piece away IMO.... They failed to capitalize and blew the thing up. Now they got undersized, offensively-challenged Okafor at C and overpaid reserve-made-into-a-starter Ariza at SF.

When Atlanta took Boston to 7 games in '08, they were also one piece away. Instead of adding wisely, they added "there are no bad shots" Crawford, to a backcourt that already featured perimeter-heavy players such as Iso Joe (who never takes free throws) and "you can't take enough 3's" Bibby.

I guess you could also add Portland to the list. Instead of adding that final piece to the young Roy/Aldridge-led Trailblazers, they added Andre Miller, who just takes the ball away from Brandon Roy (who is basically their point guard).

All I'm saying is, when you gather young talent, after a while you need to capitalize on your assets and acquire that one missing piece that can put you over the top. Don't trade for the sake of trading, but don't wait too long either. I think that time has come for the Thunder, this year or the next. They desperately need a starter who can knock down 3's (Green, Westbrook and Sefalosha all ABSOLUTELY CAN'T shoot the 3-ball) and an experienced big man who can effectively seal the middle. They don't even need stars.

Top of my mind: I think the Thunder would be straight-up contenders if they added a lock-down center like Kendrick Perkins, and a shooter like Kevin Martin or Richard Hamilton who can be on the receiving end of Westbrook's passes.

PG Westbrook
SF Durant
C Perkins
SG Martin
PF Ibaka

That's a killer line-up that actually complements each other.

By no means should they jump on the first trade proposal they get, but there comes a time when you need to capitalize on what you have and take that next step.

hugepatsfan
11-16-2010, 07:07 PM
yes... this happens over and over again. teams/fans get to infatuated with youth and potential...and then the team plateaus....

There are two ways to handle a team so young:

1) In 2004 Miami had an amazing young core of talent... Pat Riley traded some of it away and got Shaq. HEAT win title. In this model you keep some youth and you infuse veteran talent.

2) The Baby Bulls and Trailbalzers... you sit on the talent to long...and it starts to lose value and your team peaks before it has even made a serious title run.

The Thunder would benefit from moving Green, Harden, etc for some vets and stop relying entirely on potential.

You could also add BOS to the list that cashed in. They built an entire roster of youth before dealing a combined 5 young guys and 2 contracts for Ray and KG.

AddiX
11-16-2010, 07:35 PM
Brook Lopez and Dwight Howard come to mind

Well, that's never going to happen. Dwight seems more than happy. And the only way your prying Brook away is if Westbrook is involved.

tredigs
11-16-2010, 07:43 PM
You two were ready to hang me up by my ankles for this exact thought last year... :)

Ive always said they should wait until this year to evaluate where they + Alrich were at before they looked to ship. It looks like Ibaka is ready, but Cole is not - so the piece to go should be Green; he'll give them good value and hes not a necessity, tho he is good.

samevans7
11-16-2010, 07:59 PM
Top of my mind: I think the Thunder would be straight-up contenders if they added a lock-down center like Kendrick Perkins, and a shooter like Kevin Martin or Richard Hamilton who can be on the receiving end of Westbrook's passes.

PG Westbrook
SF Durant
C Perkins
SG Martin
PF Ibaka

That's a killer line-up that actually complements each other.

By no means should they jump on the first trade proposal they get, but there comes a time when you need to capitalize on what you have and take that next step.

i agree with the types of moves, but the Thunder don't have the pieces for Perkins (lol i know, sounds ********, but its true). Perk is SO good to the Celtics, an amazing defender

The only way i'd be happy if Perk was traded to OKC would be in 3 team deal that gets the Celtics Al Horford, Andrew Bogut, or Marc Gasol

hugepatsfan
11-16-2010, 08:29 PM
i agree with the types of moves, but the Thunder don't have the pieces for Perkins (lol i know, sounds ********, but its true). Perk is SO good to the Celtics, an amazing defender

The only way i'd be happy if Perk was traded to OKC would be in 3 team deal that gets the Celtics Al Horford, Andrew Bogut, or Marc Gasol

Perk is a FA after the year and he is hurt right now. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see OKC use their remaining cap room on him before extensions start to kick in.

KnicksorBust
11-16-2010, 09:24 PM
Elaborate, ive always felt we shouldnt and wont trade a core player for a veteran piece unless its really substantial.

I wanted the Thunder to go after players like Nash, David Lee, and Chris Kaman. All of which are veterans and considering all 3 made the All-Star team last year, I'd say they would have been substantial.

KnicksorBust
11-16-2010, 09:26 PM
I would try to work out a deal for Marc Gasol and extend him if I was the Thunder. A package worked around Harden or Green could get it done.
Seems like a good fit without giving up too much given the fact Memphis won't extend him.

As far as SG, you'll be able to find shooters in free agency that can start next to Westbrook/KD. Savy veterans like Rip Hamilton (One that comes to mind) would be a nice value and would give you his A game every night.

I'm suprised to see all the Dwight and Brook posts here when Gasol will gve you a better price and is actually a possibility.

I really don't think the Grizzlies would want to trade Marc Gasol for Harden or Green. That'd be a horrible move. Gasol is the perfect player to have next to Randolph because he is remarkably effecient and doesn't command touches to be effective.

ChiSox219
11-16-2010, 09:27 PM
Imagine if they Had Brook Lopez.
Heck, even Gortat would be a nice addition.

I kinda like the idea of Jeff Green for Gortat, works for both teams if Orlando loses its patience with Rashard.

zambo4president
11-16-2010, 09:59 PM
Iggy?

imagesrdecievin
11-16-2010, 10:45 PM
Anderson Varejao might be the piece the Thunder are looking for.

DitchDat
11-17-2010, 05:06 AM
Iggy?

he's not a shooter. At least somebody should be able to convert from behind the arc. They can pass to each other all they want, but they're not gonna be great shooters overnight

Blazers#1Fan
11-17-2010, 06:16 AM
they should make 2-3 trades

i think Harden,Kristic and Pick for Marc Gasol
and/or Green,Ibaka,Sefolosha and 1-2 1st round draft pick for josh smith,crawford



Gasol
Smith
Durant
Crawford
Westbrook

Niro
11-17-2010, 06:37 AM
they should do what the warriors did this off season.
trade young talent (randolph,buike) for an all star player which fills their needs. in this case they need to trade for a inside presence.

DitchDat
11-17-2010, 12:18 PM
...and somebody who can actually shoot the ball other than Durantula

zambo4president
11-17-2010, 12:22 PM
he's not a shooter. At least somebody should be able to convert from behind the arc. They can pass to each other all they want, but they're not gonna be great shooters overnight

Iggy consistantly makes plays though, and Iggy, Durant, Westbrook, Green and Ibaka would be a sick defensive team. They don't necessarily have to get some 3 point specialist.

Baller1
11-17-2010, 12:28 PM
Iggy consistantly makes plays though, and Iggy, Durant, Westbrook, Green and Ibaka would be a sick defensive team. They don't necessarily have to get some 3 point specialist.

We kinda do though. We're the worst 3-pt shooting team in the league, and it's really frustrating to watch them consistently miss open jumpers.

tcav701
11-17-2010, 12:39 PM
I still think the most reasonable and actually attainable fits are Gasol and Rip.

They would fit right into the system at decent value.

Everyone saying Brook, Dwight and Iggy need to be realistic.

DitchDat
04-26-2011, 04:40 AM
OMG I was spot on

northsid3r
04-26-2011, 04:55 AM
you got what you ask for.

gilly
04-26-2011, 05:48 AM
i agree with the types of moves, but the thunder don't have the pieces for perkins (lol i know, sounds ********, but its true). Perk is so good to the celtics, an amazing defender

lol

gatkins11
04-26-2011, 08:26 AM
I kinda like the idea of Jeff Green for Gortat, works for both teams if Orlando loses its patience with Rashard.

Gortat is with the Suns now.

TO to the CHI
04-26-2011, 08:52 AM
Gortat is with the Suns now.

So, ummm, yeah, about that..... check the dates of the thread and the post that you quoted. And how was that not obvious to you if you read far enough to get to the post about Gortat?????

ragee
04-26-2011, 09:06 AM
It's funny how a Celtic fan started this thread...