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alencp3
11-12-2010, 01:56 PM
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/12/race-to-mvp-week3/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Four point guards in the top 5

Whats your thoughts? Anyone missing? Who is the early candidate for MVP?

DaBUU
11-12-2010, 01:59 PM
nice

ManRam
11-12-2010, 02:03 PM
Call me a homer, but Dwight has to be higher on the list. He's been great this year...

Besides that, I like it. Glad to see Durant, Kobe and LeBron/Wade not in the top 5.

Chicagofaithful
11-12-2010, 02:11 PM
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/12/race-to-mvp-week3/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

Four point guards in the top 5

Whats your thoughts? Anyone missing? Who is the early candidate for MVP?

5 in the top 6 is what you meant to say

Rivera
11-12-2010, 02:12 PM
nice list soo far

kinda surprised that pau is ahead of kobe

but in all honesty i havent seen one laker game this year their on to late for me and i have to work in the mornin so it would prolly b a bad comment that i wish they were switched

and monta ellis at #10 !!!!!!!! i just thought id bring that up lol

Cool007
11-12-2010, 02:18 PM
I think I agree with the list.

Hornets are only unbeaten team in the NBA - led by CP3.
Utah really picked it up and won 2 big games - Milsap is MIP, Deron the leader.
Gasol - actually outplaying Kobe so far. Lakers are good.
Rondo - has been impressive. Celtics best in the East.
Rose - Vastly improved his passing, Defense & he is a killer in the 4th.


Totally agree with taht top 5.

Season is still very young so it can change in a hurry.

PrettyBoyJ
11-12-2010, 02:19 PM
list look weird without Lebron, Kobe and Wade in the top 3.. Beauty of sports, forever changing

IversonIsKrazy
11-12-2010, 02:27 PM
Man, PG's have been amazing so far this season.

Rondo - 11ppg 15apg
CP3 - 18ppg 10apg on a perfect team
D Will - 21ppg 10apg
Rose - 23ppg 10apg
Wall - 18ppg 10apg
Nash - 19ppg 9apg
TP9 - 18ppg 9apg

Gasol over Kobe in a MVP race seems extremely odd, and I know at the end of the season, it won't be like that lol.

ManRam
11-12-2010, 02:28 PM
I wish Dwight could avoid foul trouble. He's third in the league in points per 48 minutes. His defense is by far the best in the league...and his offense looks much more well-rounded. I've never been on the Dwight for MVP bandwagon, even as a Magic fan...but this is the year he deserves serious consideration.

b_russ
11-12-2010, 02:31 PM
list look weird without Lebron, Kobe and Wade in the top 3.. Beauty of sports, forever changing

I'd like to see it stay that way for the rest of the year, disperse the spotlight for once.

Raph12
11-12-2010, 03:00 PM
So Dwight's putting up 23-11-3 in 31mpg with the 2nd highest PER in the league and he's being critisized for not getting the same amount of double-doubles?... D-Will's team was down 18+ in each game and he's getting rewarded for coming back instead of playing the full 48mins?... Rose's Bulls suck and yet he's higher up than Kobe, Dwight and Durant?... Damn this dude's an idiot.

Chacarron
11-12-2010, 03:13 PM
Finally these lists make sense.

Avenged
11-12-2010, 03:26 PM
Solid list aside from Dwight. I was sure he would be in the top 3 at least. The last couple of games, Pau hasn't really been up to par to his start as well so I can see why he's #3, if not I would have him #2.

CP3, Deron, Pau, Dwight, Rondo would be my top 5.

And no Heat players make the list again..

Cool007
11-12-2010, 03:44 PM
So Dwight's putting up 23-11-3 in 31mpg with the 2nd highest PER in the league and he's being critisized for not getting the same amount of double-doubles?... D-Will's team was down 18+ in each game and he's getting rewarded for coming back instead of playing the full 48mins?... Rose's Bulls suck and yet he's higher up than Kobe, Dwight and Durant?... Damn this dude's an idiot.

I agree with everything else except the bolded part.

Bulls are missing the key piece in a 20/10 big man and they are still doing alright and Rose is having a career year so far and will only get better with Boozer back.

Other than that NY (career shooting night), it's not like Bulls lost to some slouchy teams - they lost to OKC on opening night and they were right there with 1 minutes remaining. Against Boston they lost in OT. They could have won both and possibly all 3, if we had Boozer.

Like I said, I agree with all other things and I think Dwight should be right there in top3 but don't downplay on what other player/team is doing.

Niro
11-12-2010, 04:14 PM
howard should be higher, other than that the list looks good

still weird to not see lebron and wade on an mvp list

Raph12
11-12-2010, 04:20 PM
Solid list aside from Dwight. I was sure he would be in the top 3 at least. The last couple of games, Pau hasn't really been up to par to his start as well so I can see why he's #3, if not I would have him #2.

CP3, Deron, Pau, Dwight, Rondo would be my top 5.

And no Heat players make the list again..

I agree with everything besides Deron, he's overrated, and to think he was once underrated. His team's success has a lot to do with Millsap playing at AS form and Big Al's presence in the paint and even with their successes, they were down 18+ in each of their last 3 games. Plus I consider Kobe to be just as valuable as Pau, if not more after this last week.

My top 10 would be:
1. CP3
2. Dwight
3. Rondo
4. Pau/Kobe
5. Pau/Kobe
6. Deron
7. Durant
8. Rose
9. Dirk
10. Duncan


I agree with everything else except the bolded part.

Bulls are missing the key piece in a 20/10 big man and they are still doing alright and Rose is having a career year so far and will only get better with Boozer back.

Other than that NY (career shooting night), it's not like Bulls lost to some slouchy teams - they lost to OKC on opening night and they were right there with 1 minutes remaining. Against Boston they lost in OT. They could have won both and possibly all 3, if we had Boozer.

Like I said, I agree with all other things and I think Dwight should be right there in top3 but don't downplay on what other player/team is doing.

I agree they're playing without Boozer, but that's why I'm not taking Rose and Noah's stats that seriously yet. With Boozer down low, Rose and Noah both lose touches and Noah's rebounds will see a significant decrease.

The stats by Rose on a team that's 4-3 isn't top 5 worthy IMO.

Hunter48MVP
11-12-2010, 04:56 PM
Instead of Lakers fan chatting MVP for Kobe, they should do it to Pau Gasol. Gasol for MVP!!!!!!!!!!!!

dsickich123
11-12-2010, 05:24 PM
I know i am a homer right now' but i honestly believe that if RUSSELL WESTBROOK is not on this list. He has to be top 15.


2010-11 Statistics

PPG
22.6
RPG
6.30
APG
7.9
EFF
+ 25.43


Those look like MVP Race type numbers to me...

Comparing to derrick Rose who is top 5?


2010-11 Statistics

PPG
23.6
RPG
3.70
APG
9.7
EFF
+ 21.86

They look pretty similar. Westbrook more rebounds, Rose more assists.

Am i crazy?

Maybe Westbrook is top 12?

dsickich123
11-12-2010, 05:27 PM
Is you add up points, rebounds, and assists Westbrook is 6th in the league.

Also why is Paul Millsap not getting love?

24ppg and 10rpg, averaging a double-double on a surging Jazz team

jimbobjarree
11-12-2010, 05:50 PM
Deron Williams!

I thought his campaign would be hurt by Millsap raping everyone, but I'll take it!

Illinirob83
11-12-2010, 06:03 PM
Early on the guys having the most impressive seasons IMO are...

1. Pau Gasol
2. CP3
3. Carmelo
4. Noah
5. Millsap
6. Gay
7. Scola
8. Westbrook
9. Howard
10. Dirk

mlisica19
11-12-2010, 06:14 PM
RIGHT NOW!

Chris Paul does deserve it. Idc bout the stats... All i see is one player making a comeback fully healthy and hes showing why hes the best PG... No disrespect to Rondo, or any other PG but from what i see is that CHris can do it all...

Defense solid, leadership excellent, awareness above avg, and ball control is A plus plus plus! O wait did i forget that this kid can shoot the ball anywhere and he knows how to make any defense stupid.

I wanna see New Orleans vs Boston? Do they play one another?

x_notorious
11-12-2010, 06:21 PM
I think Gasol over Williams but other than that, good list.

D1JM
11-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I know i am a homer right now' but i honestly believe that if RUSSELL WESTBROOK is not on this list. He has to be top 15.


2010-11 Statistics

PPG
22.6
RPG
6.30
APG
7.9
EFF
+ 25.43


Those look like MVP Race type numbers to me...

Comparing to derrick Rose who is top 5?


2010-11 Statistics

PPG
23.6
RPG
3.70
APG
9.7
EFF
+ 21.86

They look pretty similar. Westbrook more rebounds, Rose more assists.

Am i crazy?

Maybe Westbrook is top 12?

i think what hurts westbrook is having durant on his team. Sorta like what Gasol has to deal with Kobe being on his team

samevans7
11-12-2010, 06:43 PM
Early on the guys having the most impressive seasons IMO are...

1. Pau Gasol
2. CP3
3. Carmelo
4. Noah
5. Millsap
6. Gay
7. Scola
8. Westbrook
9. Howard
10. Dirk

not Rondo, with a 24 assist game, with 15 apg?!

ur whack'd man

samevans7
11-12-2010, 06:46 PM
RIGHT NOW!

Chris Paul does deserve it. Idc bout the stats... All i see is one player making a comeback fully healthy and hes showing why hes the best PG... No disrespect to Rondo, or any other PG but from what i see is that CHris can do it all...

Defense solid, leadership excellent, awareness above avg, and ball control is A plus plus plus! O wait did i forget that this kid can shoot the ball anywhere and he knows how to make any defense stupid.

I wanna see New Orleans vs Boston? Do they play one another?


See you understand basketball imo. its not all about the stats. I agree CP3 is the best PG, and Rondo RIGHT NOW is the second best

Twice.
Dec 31 @BOS
Mar 19 @NOK

_KB24_
11-12-2010, 11:31 PM
Chris Paul undoubtedly deserves the number one spot. No way would I have Deron at number 2. If anything, Millsap should be up their for that ridiculous performance against Miami where he single-handily won them that game. What the hell is up with the anti-D12 bias in the NBA? They seem to love too label him as a great defender and feel that they have done enough in talking about the guy. I had him in my top 3 last year, and he is CERTAINLY in it now. I have him at number 2 right now. Superman is playing out of his mind right now.

NYKalltheway
11-13-2010, 01:24 AM
Am I the only one who thinks it's too freaking early to even consider who's gonna be considered for MVP??

TheDagger
11-13-2010, 02:54 AM
It's going to be Durant..might as well lock it up. As poorly as he's playing this season, he's averaging 29/7 on 55 TS%..he's probably going to end up around 31-32 and 8 this year on 60%+ TS

I doubt this will be a contest by February unless the Thunder are .500~

saintdrew
11-13-2010, 03:04 AM
Chris Paul murking folks out there on the court.

If the Hornets keep it up with a good record, then Paul should get the MVP.

MickeyMgl
11-13-2010, 03:20 AM
5 in the top 6 is what you meant to say

I see Durant in the 6th spot. You saying he's a point guard?

drobe86
11-13-2010, 04:06 AM
I agree with everything else except the bolded part.

Bulls are missing the key piece in a 20/10 big man and they are still doing alright and Rose is having a career year so far and will only get better with Boozer back.

Other than that NY (career shooting night), it's not like Bulls lost to some slouchy teams - they lost to OKC on opening night and they were right there with 1 minutes remaining. Against Boston they lost in OT. They could have won both and possibly all 3, if we had Boozer.

Like I said, I agree with all other things and I think Dwight should be right there in top3 but don't downplay on what other player/team is doing.

this is off topic but Carlos Boozer isn't a 20-10 big man and hasn't been since 2007-2008... I'll also note that he got 20-10 only twice in his career. I think Chicago fans are hyped about a boozer and they are in for a rude awakening. Dudes a decent player, but they act like he's an all star. What's he a 1 time all star?

drobe86
11-13-2010, 04:08 AM
If I were voting today I would pick Darren Williams as league MVP.... Dude is a straight up baller. Always get his team into the right plays, very effiecient shooter, doesn't turn the ball over, and he is explosive and can score from anywhere on the floor. All the talk about Paul being better than D-Will should cease..... Dudes on a whole nother planet

_KB24_
11-13-2010, 05:16 AM
this is off topic but Carlos Boozer isn't a 20-10 big man and hasn't been since 2007-2008... I'll also note that he got 20-10 only twice in his career. I think Chicago fans are hyped about a boozer and they are in for a rude awakening. Dudes a decent player, but they act like he's an all star. What's he a 1 time all star?

Boozer can give you 20-10 a night....the guy is a mammoth on the boards and has a nice 15 foot jumper.

Kakaroach
11-13-2010, 12:44 PM
Nice to see D. Will at #2, well deserved with the Jazz's play recently.

Baller1
11-13-2010, 01:34 PM
Right now, I think Westbrook is more of an MVP than Durant. That's not taking anything away from Durant (although he's been shooting pretty poorly aside from last night), it's more of a compliment to Westbrook. He's impossible to stop, and now that he's developing a lethal mid-range jumpshot, it's unfair.

If I were to award the MVP today though, it has to be Chris Paul. Leading his undefeated team, you can't really pick anyone else at this point.

Avenged
11-13-2010, 01:56 PM
Chris Paul undoubtedly deserves the number one spot. No way would I have Deron at number 2. If anything, Millsap should be up their for that ridiculous performance against Miami where he single-handily won them that game. What the hell is up with the anti-D12 bias in the NBA? They seem to love too label him as a great defender and feel that they have done enough in talking about the guy. I had him in my top 3 last year, and he is CERTAINLY in it now. I have him at number 2 right now. Superman is playing out of his mind right now.

I actually think Deron is rated just fine. It's not like he hasn't had great games just because Millsap stole the show for a couple of seconds against Miami. He's still putting up great numbers, and as the leader of his team, he finally deserves some MVP recognition.

I agree about Dwight though. He gets zero respect when it comes to these things. I have him in the top 4 but no way should he be any lower.

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 07:11 AM
Way too early for this. Here is an interesting number on Durant

2008-09 First 8 games
22.1 ppg 44.1 FG% 30.0 3P% 45.1 eFG% 50.9 TS%

2008-09 Final stats
25.3 ppg 47.6 FG% 42.2 3P% 51.0 eFG% 57.7 TS%

2009-10 First 8 games
26.8 ppg 41.6 FG% 18.8 3P% 44.3 eFG% 53.4 TS%

2009-10 Final stats
30.1 ppg 47.6 FG% 36.5 3P% 51.4 eFG% 60.7 TS%

2010-11 first 8 games
28.9 ppg 42.1 FG% 33.3 3P% 46.0 eFG% 55.2 TS%



If this trend continues, his numbers are going to look something like

32.2 ppg 52.4 eFG% 62.3 TS% which would be one of if not the greatest scoring seasons in the league's history

DitchDat
11-14-2010, 07:40 AM
When KG was traded to Boston and formed 'The Big Three' with Allen and Pierce, he had zero chance of getting the MVP because of him 'not being able of doing it by himself'. Neither LBJ or Wade, who are actually in their prime, should be getting MVP love in the next couple of years.

Rondo deserves the consideration he is getting. Sure, he is playing with four HOF dinosaurs, but thanks to him, the team is clicking and winning. He went from being the understudy to being the motor of the team. I don't expect him to win MVP, but he should at least be up there in the top 10 all season.

Baller1
11-14-2010, 12:51 PM
Way too early for this. Here is an interesting number on Durant

2008-09 First 8 games
22.1 ppg 44.1 FG% 30.0 3P% 45.1 eFG% 50.9 TS%

2008-09 Final stats
25.3 ppg 47.6 FG% 42.2 3P% 51.0 eFG% 57.7 TS%

2009-10 First 8 games
26.8 ppg 41.6 FG% 18.8 3P% 44.3 eFG% 53.4 TS%

2009-10 Final stats
30.1 ppg 47.6 FG% 36.5 3P% 51.4 eFG% 60.7 TS%

2010-11 first 8 games
28.9 ppg 42.1 FG% 33.3 3P% 46.0 eFG% 55.2 TS%



If this trend continues, his numbers are going to look something like

32.2 ppg 52.4 eFG% 62.3 TS% which would be one of if not the greatest scoring seasons in the league's history

Nice work to find this, props to you.

I knew he always started slow and picked it up later, but damn; I didn't know it turned around like that.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 12:57 PM
Nice work to find this, props to you.

I knew he always started slow and picked it up later, but damn; I didn't know it turned around like that.

Durant won't get there imo, he entered this season much more game ready than previous seasons due to FIBA.

JordansBulls
11-14-2010, 12:59 PM
this is off topic but Carlos Boozer isn't a 20-10 big man and hasn't been since 2007-2008... I'll also note that he got 20-10 only twice in his career. I think Chicago fans are hyped about a boozer and they are in for a rude awakening. Dudes a decent player, but they act like he's an all star. What's he a 1 time all star?

He made's the team twice and more than Deron Williams and was the reason the Jazz got to the Conference Finals in 2007 and the Semifinals in 2008. Deron was the reason they got there last year however.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 12:59 PM
Its only a matter of time before the usual suspects join the party in this conversation by the way.

Geargo Wallace
11-14-2010, 01:08 PM
this is off topic but Carlos Boozer isn't a 20-10 big man and hasn't been since 2007-2008... I'll also note that he got 20-10 only twice in his career. I think Chicago fans are hyped about a boozer and they are in for a rude awakening. Dudes a decent player, but they act like he's an all star. What's he a 1 time all star?

ummm those are only numbers though. He can give you 20 and 15 on a random night

tredigs
11-14-2010, 01:19 PM
Man, PG's have been amazing so far this season.

Rondo - 11ppg 15apg
CP3 - 18ppg 10apg on a perfect team
D Will - 21ppg 10apg
Rose - 23ppg 10apg
Wall - 18ppg 10apg
Nash - 19ppg 9apg
TP9 - 18ppg 9apg

Gasol over Kobe in a MVP race seems extremely odd, and I know at the end of the season, it won't be like that lol.

Not even a mention of Westbrook - who has been about as good as any player period this season? Putting up 24ppg 6rpg 7apg on a newly found high efficiency thanks to a .45% fg% and hitting 91% from the line on 8.5 FTA/G.. Not to mention 2+ steals a game and generally elite D. Durant is still their leader and best player, but Westbrook is the one who has been better thus far and deserves the nod on a list like this.


Am I the only one who thinks it's too freaking early to even consider who's gonna be considered for MVP??

Very much agreed. Let the league play through its schedule at least once. Sort of like the BCS rankings don't come out until week 8, NBA.com shouldn't even bother with MVP rankings until the same time. But hey, gotta get dem page views right NBA.com!

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 02:10 PM
Durant won't get there imo, he entered this season much more game ready than previous seasons due to FIBA.

Hate to bring this up but uh..you take away the Clippers game which an anomaly and one of the worst shooting nights of his career, he's at 31.7 ppg on the season while shooting 45/42/90 which isn't even all that great for him.

The guy really showed me something the other night vs the Blazers, he didn't have that in him last year. He could bring a team back when they were way out of it but he couldn't take over in crunch time in a close game. That's exactly what he did the other night.

He will average at least 31 a game this year but I would say no more than 32.5

I mean we're talking about a guy that averaged 32 ppg on 50/40/90 the last 55 games of last season

Baller1
11-14-2010, 02:15 PM
Durant won't get there imo, he entered this season much more game ready than previous seasons due to FIBA.

Yeah but he's already started trending upward in terms of production, so I don't think it's too farfetched to think he'll do it again.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Yeah but he's already started trending upward in terms of production, so I don't think it's too farfetched to think he'll do it again.

nah, that isn't what I meant. I just wasn't expecting the ******** efficiency that poster put in projections.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 02:19 PM
Hate to bring this up but uh..you take away the Clippers game which an anomaly and one of the worst shooting nights of his career, he's at 31.7 ppg on the season while shooting 45/42/90 which isn't even all that great for him.

The guy really showed me something the other night vs the Blazers, he didn't have that in him last year. He could bring a team back when they were way out of it but he couldn't take over in crunch time in a close game. That's exactly what he did the other night.

He will average at least 31 a game this year but I would say no more than 32.5

I mean we're talking about a guy that averaged 32 ppg on 50/40/90 the last 55 games of last season

its possible. But I would like to see his overall efficiency start climbing back to elite.

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 02:20 PM
its possible. But I would like to see his overall efficiency start climbing back to elite..

Take away the Clippers game and he's at 32 ppg on 45/40/90 with a TS% of 58%. That's not elite for Durant, but considering the only player to do that in the last 25 years was Jordan...

His efficiency is going up game by game. Over his last 4 he's averaging 32 a game on 50/42/95..he'll be fine.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 02:29 PM
Take away the Clippers game and he's at 32 ppg on 45/40/90 with a TS% of 58%. That's not elite for Durant, but considering the only player to do that in the last 25 years was Jordan...

His efficiency is going up game by game. Over his last 4 he's averaging 32 a game on 50/42/95..he'll be fine.

never said he wouldn't be fine man. I was only responding to the fact I am not sure he can hit 32+ a night on 60+ TS%. If he does, it will be one of the better scoring seasons I have ever seen

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 02:37 PM
never said he wouldn't be fine man. I was only responding to the fact I am not sure he can hit 32+ a night on 60+ TS%. If he does, it will be one of the better scoring seasons I have ever seen

The last 55 games of last season he averaged 32 a game on 62 TS%. Yes that's not a typo, 62.2 TS%.

If he averages that for an entire season, which I think he can, it will be undoubtedly the greatest scoring season of the modern era. The only player to come close to that was Jordan in 89 when he averaged 32.5 ppg on 61.4 TS% and he was in the heart of his prime @ age 26 meanwhile Durant was only 21 last year.

_Supreme_
11-14-2010, 02:55 PM
It is WAY too early for this crap.

Utterly pointless, but it keeps the kids busy I guess.

Baller1
11-14-2010, 03:39 PM
nah, that isn't what I meant. I just wasn't expecting the ******** efficiency that poster put in projections.

Oh I see what you mean; well let's hope you're wrong. :)

braveniler58
11-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Wouldn't be surprised to see Steve Nash in the top 10 soon.

Ovratd1up
11-14-2010, 04:31 PM
Dwight, Durant, Paul, and Lebron should all finish in the top five.

Minimal
11-14-2010, 05:03 PM
IMO
1. Chris Paul
2. Pau Gasol
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Deron Williams
5. Russell Westbrook
6. LeBron James
7. Dwight Howard
8. Derrick Rose
9. Kobe Bryant/Dwyane Wade
10. Josh Smith

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 05:11 PM
IMO
1. Chris Paul
2. Pau Gasol
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Deron Williams
5. Russell Westbrook
6. LeBron James
7. Dwight Howard
8. Derrick Rose
9. Kobe Bryant/Dwyane Wade
10. Josh Smith


LeBron ahead of Wade...not sure if srs

Minimal
11-14-2010, 05:16 PM
LeBron ahead of Wade...not sure if srs
Well as of right now LeBron PER is 23.80, Wade's 21.80. LeBron is going to average 10 or more APG this year IMO, his APG is rising significally. They both would be higher if Miami had a better record.

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 05:21 PM
Well as of right now LeBron PER is 23.80, Wade's 21.80. LeBron is going to average 10 or more APG this year IMO, his APG is rising significally. They both would be higher if Miami had a better record.

PER=garbage stat

Wade's averaging more ppg, more rpg, absolutely destroying LeBron in scoring efficiency, averages less TO/g, has been much more clutch, and has a higher WSp48

LeBron on the Cavs was the best player in the league quite easily yet so far he's been the 2nd best player on the Heat, but it's only 10 games.

Minimal
11-14-2010, 05:30 PM
PER=garbage stat

Wade's averaging more ppg, more rpg, absolutely destroying LeBron in scoring efficiency, averages less TO/g, has been much more clutch, and has a higher WSp48

LeBron on the Cavs was the best player in the league quite easily yet so far he's been the 2nd best player on the Heat, but it's only 10 games.
Their RPG are almost the same. LeBron can easily get 7 or 8 RPG if he wanted to, but I see he doesn't want to do that against weak team, he rather play point guard and create for teammates, waiting on the perimeter. I agree his offence isn't that good yet, because he joined a new team, he needs time to get used to it. You think Wade would be so great at offence if he joined Cavs? I doubt that.
LeBron made it clear he wants to play as Magic Johnson and I wouldn't be surprised if he averages 11 APG in the end of the season.

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 05:33 PM
Their RPG are almost the same. LeBron can easily get 7 or 8 RPG if he wanted to, but I see he doesn't want to do that against weak team, he rather play point guard and create for teammates, waiting on the perimeter. I agree his offence isn't that good yet, because he joined a new team, he needs time to get used to it. You think Wade would be so great at offence if he joined Cavs? I doubt that.
LeBron made it clear he wants to play as Magic Johnson and I wouldn't be surprised if he averages 11 APG in the end of the season.

That's fine and all..but his offense not being that great plays a part in the MVP. Wade has been superior thus far..He's not the better player on a team by himself, but on the Heat he has been the best player through 10 games. It's not a big deal, its 10 games.

Hawkeye15
11-14-2010, 06:06 PM
That's fine and all..but his offense not being that great plays a part in the MVP. Wade has been superior thus far..He's not the better player on a team by himself, but on the Heat he has been the best player through 10 games. It's not a big deal, its 10 games.

the biggest thing that seperates LeBron, statistically, from all other big scorers/rebounders, is his assist percentages. And it will again as the year progresses.
But yep, Wade has had a better first 10 games

TheDagger
11-14-2010, 06:12 PM
the biggest thing that seperates LeBron, statistically, from all other big scorers/rebounders, is his assist percentages. And it will again as the year progresses.
But yep, Wade has had a better first 10 games



Well LeBron also dominates the ball like no other player in the history of the game..at that position at least

samevans7
11-14-2010, 06:18 PM
MVP 2004-05 Nash v 2010-11 Rondo


Player/PPG/APG/RPG/SPG/other starters
'10-'11 Rondo/10.8/15.1/5.2/2.7/Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Ray Allen
'04-'05 Nash/15.5/11.5/3.4/1.0/Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion, Joe Johnson, Quentin Richardson

I see no reason why if Steve Nash can win an MVP, why can't Rondo?

jimbobjarree
11-14-2010, 07:38 PM
He made's the team twice and more than Deron Williams and was the reason the Jazz got to the Conference Finals in 2007 and the Semifinals in 2008. Deron was the reason they got there last year however.

and that was PSDs resident Jazz expert talking

JayW_1023
11-15-2010, 08:52 AM
A pitch to put my main man Manumanumanumanu!!! in the top 5. 21 points a game, 46% shooting and a blistering 40% from three point range. And the Spurs are winning.

Hawkeye15
11-15-2010, 12:14 PM
Well LeBron also dominates the ball like no other player in the history of the game..at that position at least

with Cleveland, he needed to. McGrady had higher years of usage btw.
Besides, what does that have to do with the debate? Usage doesn't give you better numbers.