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Mile High Champ
11-06-2010, 06:44 PM
Every once in a while, the fantastic and committed users of PSD participate in the NBA All time redraft. Players that were eligible to be drafted must have played in the 1980-81 or beyond. The intention of this rule was to ensure that PSD community had better knowledge of the players being drafted and voted on. Please take the time to look over the players and the teams and vote for the better squad. We thank you for your time as your votes are important to determining an NBA ALL Time Redraft champion.

Please evaluate each player based on how well they played in their prime; injuries have no bearing on this game what so ever. Most of the GM’s have taken the time to create a clubhouse with stats for their player which is based on each player’s best s 3 consecutive seasons.

1) Boston Celtics v. 4) Detroit Pistons

Celtics Clubhouse (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14910485&postcount=2)
Pacers Clubhouse (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showpost.php?p=14916981&postcount=19)

Celtics Have Home Court Advantage


Celtics Depth Chart
PG: Kevin Johnson (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjPtxvMipM0) / Terrell Brandon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igiqRX0XcQw)
SG: Penny Hardaway (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOdnOlifZz8) / Byron Scott (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVXnIjVZjMM&feature=related)
SF: Scottie Pippen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk&feature=related) / Byron Russell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPCFRQs0XE4) / Rudy Gay (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzSlTG6tTJA)
PF: Bill Laimbeer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMiVs2SInCY) / Christian Laettner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY-iq58_oz4)
C: Dwight Howard (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkzmmB2ZIU0) / Shawn Bradley (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfd_0KArWFw)


Pistons Depth Chart
PG-Mark Price (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pricema01.html)/Andrew Toney (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/toneyan01.html)/Jameer Nelson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nelsoja01.html)
SG-Dennis Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsde01.html)/Cuttino Mobley (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moblecu01.html)
SF-Chris Mullin (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html)/Marques Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsma01.html)
PF-Glenn Robinson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/robingl01.html)/Juwan Howard (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howarju01.html)/David West (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/westda01.html)
C-Hakeem Olajuwon (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/olajuha01.html)/Joakim Noah (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/noahjo01.html)

Celtics Write Up


I want to fist say congrats to the Pistons for reaching the second round of the playoffs and wish him the best of luck from here on out.

Kevin Johnson v. Mark Price:
I love this match-up for my team. Kevin Johnson in his prime was perhaps the fastest and quickest player in the NBA. Not many PG's in the NBA could contain his quickness and certainly Mark Price was not one of those Players. In 11 Career games against Mark Price, KJ average 20 ppg and 12 apg. I believe that KJ has the speed and agility to challenge the sharp shooting of Price and certainly contain any dribble penetration that Price may attempt. The key to this match up will be Price's inability to stay in front of KJ on defense. In his prime KJ averaged 7.7 free throw attempts per game and KJ should reach those numbers in this series with eas. Combine that fact with the small staure of Price and his below average defense, it makes for a very long series for Price. Advantage Celtics.

Penny Hardaway v. Dennis Johnson:
Another great matchup this series has to offer. On one side, Penny Hardaway. One of the most proficent combo guards of the 90's against defensive wiz Dennis Johnson. I expect this matchup to be a very close with both players giving up little to one another. Hardadway in his prime shot 50% from the field, a terrific number from the SG position. I expect Hardaway to play off the ball a lot in this series and look for opportunities to use his height advantage over Dennis Johnson to get his points. I think Dennis Johnson will have his hands full with Penny this series and its worth noting that Johnson only shot better than 47% from the field twice in his career. Penn's defense should be enough to kepp Johnson at bay this series. Advanatge Celtics

Scott Pippen v. Chris Mullen:
Well What can I say about Scottie Pippen. Some people call him a 2nd option on a great team but that could not be farther from the truth. Pippen in his prime was one of the best players in the league. He is perhaps the greatest peremeter defender to ever play the game, making the NBA all first defensive team 8 times. He is a 6 time NBA champion and a time all NBA First Team member. He is truly what every player wants to be, an elite player at both ends of the floor. I fully expect him to dominate Mullen in this series at both ends of the floor. There was no position Pippen could not guard and despite the solid shooting of Mullen in his career, Pippen should be able to contain Mullen and take this match-up for the Celtics. If you watch one video on youtube today, watch this Video all about the defense of Scottie Pippen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk&feature=related. Huge Advanatge Celtics

Bill Laimbeer v. Glen Robinson:
One of the biggest advantages for me in this series is the frontcourt. Pippen, Laimbeer & Howard are all amazing defenders. All 3 play tough physical basketball and never give up an inch without a fight. Laimbeer in his prime was downright abusive, he managed to upset every player he went up against. He played physical and always played the post tough at both ends of the floor. Depiste the Robinson's scoring ability, he remains a very small PF. At 6'7 and Laimbeer at 6'11, one can already fcr see the matchup problems Robinson will face. Laimbeer is simply too physical and big for Robinson to contain. Laimbeer in his prime averaged over 12 rebounds per game and will certainly see numbers like that against Robinson who for his career never averaged more than 6.7 rebounds. Laimbeer also ran the pick & roll very well throughout his career and should see lots of chances to roll to the basket for big plays with KJ feeding him the ball against the smaller defender Robinson. Huge Advantage to the Celtics

Dwight Howard v. Hakeem Olajuwon:
Depsite what some may say, I like this match up. I certainly don't think Howard is better than the Dream but I think he does match up well with the athletic Hakeem. Hakeem made a living on abusing slower centers that did not have the athletic ability he did. The thing about Howard is that he has the athletic ability and size to match up against Olajuwon. Howard over the past few years has been the leagues best defensive player and best rebounder. I can think of no better player for Hakeem to face off against than Dwight Howard. Should be a good one!

Celtics Bench: v. Pistons Bench:
Both teams offer solid help and talent off the bench. The one area I do like about this celtics team is the depth and skill at the back up PG and SG spots. Brandon in his prime was much like Kevin Johnson, very quick and had an act to getting into the lane. Byron Scott spent most of his career being a key piece of those Lakers teams in then 80's and offers a deadly shooter from behind the arch. The rest of my bench is rounded out by Christian Laettner, Shawn Bradley and Byron Russell. I fully expect the Celtics Bench to contibute well and have a strong series.

Final Words:
The Celtics Front Court is simply too big and physical for the Pistons to handle. Pippen, Laimbeer and Howard are all top notch defenders and and are all elite rebounders at their positions. I full expect the frontcourt to be the deciding factor on why the Celtics advance to the East final.

Pistons did not Send in a write up.

Mile High Champ
11-06-2010, 06:47 PM
Please get those votes in!

Cheers

PhillyLuver
11-06-2010, 07:03 PM
I forgot to do a writeup, but my starting 5 is actually the following:

Dennis Johnson-Chris Mullin-Marques Johnson-Glenn Robinson-Hakeem Olajuwon

I think I should win this one fairly easily, but I probably won't since a lot of you won't see this.

zambo4president
11-06-2010, 07:49 PM
This is a great matchup. But I went for the C's.

John Walls Era
11-06-2010, 07:49 PM
Very tough choice.

Khalifa21
11-06-2010, 08:03 PM
I'd give it to the Pistons, but it's close.

hotpotato1092
11-06-2010, 08:14 PM
Celtics, nobody could score on them. Pippen is one of the two or three greatest wing defenders of all time, and Dwight and Laimbeer down low? That's insane. People forget just how good Penny was, with him leading the way on offense along with KJ and Dwight down low (and Pippen was no slouch offensively either) I can't think of any way any of the teams I've seen can score enough to keep up. These Celtics should win this redraft handily.

Rivera
11-06-2010, 11:56 PM
for some reason as great as a defender as dwight is i still see hom gettin eatin alive be hakeem but other than that the C's have an advantage at every other position

so i have to go with the C;s

Mile High Champ
11-07-2010, 02:20 AM
I forgot to do a writeup, but my starting 5 is actually the following:

Dennis Johnson-Chris Mullin-Marques Johnson-Glenn Robinson-Hakeem Olajuwon

I think I should win this one fairly easily, but I probably won't since a lot of you won't see this.

Why easily? I have you beat at every position but center. Anyway it should be a good series.

PhillyLuver
11-07-2010, 12:01 PM
You expect Laimbeer to crush Robinson with his physicality, but you forget Robinson's best asset is his ability to spread the floor, like a much better Rashard Lewis. Laimbeer would be far too slow to keep up with him, I could see Robinson going off for 25 points against him. On the defensive end, Olajuwon would have to pick up some of his slack, which he would be very capable of doing seeing as he's like the best defensive center ever.

I totally agree that with the lineups posted it's way in your advantage. Mullin and Pippen is a joke. However, Pippen and Marques Johnson is a lot different. Johnson has the size and strength to stop Pippen from getting many points. Obviously Pip is the best defender ever so I don't expect Johnson to get many either.

Moving Mullin to SG nullifies the SG position for me. Both Mullin and Hardaway were ridiculously good scorers in their prime, and it would be a shootout there. However, the DJ vs KJ battle as PG would be a nice matchup for me. DJ locked down Magic Johnson in the playoffs, he could handle KJ easily. On the flip side, DJ would be able to get his points on a point guard never known for his defense.

This sounds an awful lot like a writeup, and I kind of regret doing one. Oh well, I'm happy with my team. Hopefully people see it my way

Mile High Champ
11-07-2010, 06:32 PM
Close match up, hopefully I can take it.

PhillyLuver
11-07-2010, 06:37 PM
The votes have been 3-1 for me since I posted the writeup thing :up:

PhillyLuver
11-07-2010, 08:17 PM
14-12 lets go pistons

PhillyLuver
11-08-2010, 02:33 AM
need MOARR votes

Baller1
11-08-2010, 02:48 AM
This is very close. Hakeem lets the Pistons take it.

Mile High Champ
11-08-2010, 10:20 AM
I would like to find out why some of you have taken the pistons, I don't think hakeem is enough to take this, especially when I have Howard..

Silent
11-08-2010, 10:27 AM
celts

PhillyLuver
11-08-2010, 11:06 AM
I would like to find out why some of you have taken the pistons, I don't think hakeem is enough to take this, especially when I have Howard..

You've got no #1 option to close games, you've got no perimeter shooting, laimbeer has never played PF in his life, pippen is stuck covering my #5 option offensively.. just some reasons

PhillyLuver
11-08-2010, 11:06 AM
celts

I would like to find out why some of you have voted for the Celts

Mile High Champ
11-08-2010, 11:18 AM
You've got no #1 option to close games, you've got no perimeter shooting, laimbeer has never played PF in his life, pippen is stuck covering my #5 option offensively.. just some reasons

Give me a break, Any of my guys but Laimbeer can be a number 1 option any given night. Your defense is suspect compared to mine. Despite what you may believe, Laimebeer would destroy Robinson in the post all day long. Plus Pippen would be guarding your best offensive option on the wing.

NYKalltheway
11-08-2010, 01:21 PM
Hakeem with the dream shake on Howard and that's the game for the Pistons :)

This one really is a hard choice though

Mile High Champ
11-08-2010, 01:46 PM
Hakeem with the dream shake on Howard and that's the game for the Pistons :)

This one really is a hard choice though

I don't see Hakeem dominating Howard. Not when Howard is more athletic and stronger than Hakeem. I think this is the most difficult match-up Hakeem could face.

Rivera
11-08-2010, 01:54 PM
I don't see Hakeem dominating Howard. Not when Howard is more athletic and stronger than Hakeem. I think this is the most difficult match-up Hakeem could face.

did u see the training video between howard and hakeem???

hakeem dominated howard at age 45 he was SCHOOLING Dwight in that video

imagine if he was 25

i still picked the C's tho

Ebbs
11-08-2010, 02:01 PM
Laimbeer would have a hella hard time manning Rice. . .Also though Howard is the GOAT of current centers I think Hakeem still has his way with him. I also don't believe even one person on MHC's team is a #1 option. Dwight can't just muscle hakeem and he doesn't have the post moves to out maneuver him effectively for an entire series. Also everyone loves Pippen but I don't buy him as a #1

Mile High Champ
11-08-2010, 03:04 PM
Laimbeer would have a hella hard time manning Rice. . .Also though Howard is the GOAT of current centers I think Hakeem still has his way with him. I also don't believe even one person on MHC's team is a #1 option. Dwight can't just muscle hakeem and he doesn't have the post moves to out maneuver him effectively for an entire series. Also everyone loves Pippen but I don't buy him as a #1

Rice? he is on Robinson. The match-up goes way in my favor considering just the massive size & strength advantage he has over Robinson. That's fine, I know how you feel about my team, you voted against me last round as well, you don't like it and its obvious. Howard does however have the defensive presence and ability to contain Hakeem to a degree. Why can't hardaway-KJ or Pippen be the number 1 option. People tend to forget when Jordan retired, Pippen lead the Bulls to the playoffs and was third in MVP voting. Pippen could easily be a number 1 option because he proved he could do it.

PhillyLuver
11-08-2010, 06:49 PM
Dude there's just no way Laimbeer for Robinson is a win for you. Robinson has the agility and shooting ability to beat him on the offensive end. Laimbeer is stronger and bigger, but he would be the slowest PF in the league. Hakeem could help Robinson on the defensive end much like Howard helps Lewis on the Orlando Magic.

I don't think you want your #1 option to be guarded by Dennis Johnson, one of the best defensive guards in history.

Just some things that I thought should be addressed

PhillyLuver
11-08-2010, 06:50 PM
But I'm going to lose anyway. I firmly believe that if I had fixed my lineup and done a nice writeup I would have won this game.

Good luck MHC

SugeKnight
11-08-2010, 10:39 PM
I forgot to do a writeup, but my starting 5 is actually the following:

Dennis Johnson-Chris Mullin-Marques Johnson-Glenn Robinson-Hakeem Olajuwon

I think I should win this one fairly easily, but I probably won't since a lot of you won't see this.

I like the inside-out combo of Olajuwon and Mullin. It's almost as good as Miller and Duncan :p

John Walls Era
11-08-2010, 10:45 PM
I picked the Celtics, but Hakeem would man handle Dwight.