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Gibby23
11-05-2010, 03:47 PM
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/05/race-to-mvp-kobe-bryant/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers
2. Chris Paul, Hornets
3. Rajon Rondo, Celtics
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs
5. Monta Ellis, Warriors
6. Kevin Durant, Thunder
7. Dwight Howard, Magic
8. Pau Gasol, Lakers
9. Jason Kidd, Mavs
10. Lamar Odom, Lakers

daleja424
11-05-2010, 03:49 PM
LOL at Odom and Kidd over Lebron and Wade...

LayZbone
11-05-2010, 03:52 PM
3 Lakers and 2 Mavericks. That's crazy.

Half of the top 10 candidates come from 2 teams.

godolphins
11-05-2010, 03:53 PM
Lamar Odom :laugh2:, I know that he's had a good start but it's just funny to see he's name there.

IAmKira
11-05-2010, 03:53 PM
LOL @ 3 lakers on the list. OWNED

jimbobjarree
11-05-2010, 03:57 PM
Deron was at 8 last week when the Jazz were at 0-2 and he'd played terribly. After 2 wins and 2 great performances they knock him out.

I dont get it

godolphins
11-05-2010, 04:00 PM
LOL @ 3 lakers on the list. OWNED

There's still a bunch of games left

hgtiger32
11-05-2010, 04:01 PM
First of all it's way to early to start talkin about MVP. Wait til we are 25-30 games into the season at the LEAST.

No LeBron
No Wade
No Rose
No Roy
No Amare

but its only been about 5 games...jeez, take 'er easy PSD

ManRam
11-05-2010, 04:01 PM
I'm surprised the dumbest thing about the "Race the the MVP" wasn't just the fact they started the "race" after week one: it was the list itself.

Usually I don't criticize lists like this, but God this is awful.

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 04:01 PM
LOL at Odom and Kidd over Lebron and Wade...

Lamar is having a better start to the season than Lebron.

poleandreel
11-05-2010, 04:02 PM
durant hasnt even been better than westbrook and yet he is that high. LOL

and LOL at kobe number 1. chris paul should clearly be 1 right now. and now heat players on the list? hmmmmm

how about rudy gay as well
terrible list

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 04:03 PM
Haha. Everyone is mad. If Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were 1, 2, and 3, this list would have went up at 5 in the morning.

alencp3
11-05-2010, 04:08 PM
If Kidd and Odom are there I see now reason why John Wall and Blake Griffin wouldnt be

LayZbone
11-05-2010, 04:10 PM
Haha. Everyone is mad. If Lebron, Wade, and Bosh were 1, 2, and 3, this list would have went up at 5 in the morning.

mad? I think we all know that this guy's list doesn't mean much....heck any list after 2 weeks doesn't mean much. It's just an awful list. No one's mad about it. If anything, it's funny.

For what it's worth, Rondo is my MVP at this point of the season.

And your Heat comment is unnecessary. Obviously Bosh doesn't deserve to sniff this list, but the Heat are 4-1, and Lebron and Wade are clearly the main reasons why. One of them should at least be at the bottom of this list.

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 04:12 PM
mad? I think we all know that this guy's list doesn't mean much....heck any list after 2 weeks doesn't mean much. It's just an awful list. No one's mad about it. If anything, it's funny.

For what it's worth, Rondo is my MVP at this point of the season.

And your Heat comment is unnecessary. Obviously Bosh doesn't deserve to sniff this list, but the Heat are 4-1, and Lebron and Wade are clearly the main reasons why. One of them should at least be at the bottom of this list.

Ya, Wade and Lebron should both be on the list around 4 or 5, and Odom will fall off the list, it's only been 5 games. I also think Gasol should be ahead of kobe right now, and Kidd should be off the list as well.

Hustlenomics
11-05-2010, 04:14 PM
Rondo top 3 oh yes

ewmania
11-05-2010, 04:18 PM
LOL at Odom and Kidd over Lebron and Wade...

i mean lets be honest, Miami Heat team is incredible but they stats arent as good as they once were... especially lebron

eventho they dont need to be... but if most Miami heat deserves a new award, MVT

Most Valuable Team lol... but most valuable player i havent seen nothing solo that a make me say that'

kind of reminds me of the 2004 2005 pistons right now

Kingz4L
11-05-2010, 04:19 PM
I love Kobe and all but why the fu** is he #1...Dosnt Gasol have the best overall stats on that team? I guess thats the power you have when your name is Kobe Bryant...very sad how they are spitting on Gasol right now..

Testaverde16
11-05-2010, 04:19 PM
this is based solely on this season so far, has nothing to do with pre-rankings... and obviously it doesnt mean anything, its something they will do every week. Keep winning games and performing and the guys we expected to see up there will be up there. No need to panic.

Kingz4L
11-05-2010, 04:21 PM
one more thing...wasnt gasol the player of the week in the west side? how the hell does Kobe jump a week full of work after 1 game...unreal

DieHardCubFan
11-05-2010, 04:27 PM
Where's Rose?

Shammyguy3
11-05-2010, 04:31 PM
This is one of the worst lists i've ever seen. How can you have 3 lakers and 2 Mavericks? The MVP is for "Most VALUABLE Player" to the team he is on. So, how can you have a 3rd best player be better than other's number 1 options that are doing pretty darn well so far (Chicago's Rose).


Again though, it's early. They shouldn't even be talking about this until December 1st.

Geargo Wallace
11-05-2010, 04:33 PM
this is ********

Raph12
11-05-2010, 04:40 PM
Odom & Kidd over Lebron & Wade? Dwight in 7th (20-11-4 in 27mpg) because he'll have 100 less total rebounds at the end of the season? Durant sucking and still in the Top 10 over other legit candidates?... This list sucks and is WAY too premature.

DCB/LAL
11-05-2010, 04:42 PM
kobe is averaging 25/6.8/5 in 32 minutes of play...Gasol is averaging 23.8/11/4.4 in 37:30 minutes of play he's been great but Kobe has been better imo....cant go wrong with either though.

Kingz4L
11-05-2010, 05:01 PM
kobe is averaging 25/6.8/5 in 32 minutes of play...Gasol is averaging 23.8/11/4.4 in 37:30 minutes of play he's been great but Kobe has been better imo....cant go wrong with either though.

You forgot to add gasols blocks per game..i think hes at 2 or 2.5....Gasol is playing like the best player in the league right now...why else did he get player of the week along with Rondo?

Da Knicks
11-05-2010, 05:06 PM
Gasol not number 1? wtf weak list

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:13 PM
why dont you look at ODOMS numbers before you start dissin. lebron and wade arent in the top 10 in any of the major statistical categories. (efficiency, scoring, rebounding, assists) so its not a surprise they arent on the list.

8kobe24
11-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Too early for an MVP race...LOL at heat fans LOL'ing at the list. Heat fans screaming blasphemy!!!

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:17 PM
:dance:

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:17 PM
why dont you look at ODOMS numbers before you start dissin. lebron and wade arent in the top 10 in any of the major statistical categories. (efficiency, scoring, rebounding, assists) so its not a surprise they arent on the list.

he's been great. But how can the lakers have 3 guys that are all MOST important to their team?

and with the HEAT 4-1, and blowing people out...wade and/or lebron should have an appearance on there.

DCB/LAL
11-05-2010, 05:18 PM
You forgot to add gasols blocks per game..i think hes at 2 or 2.5....Gasol is playing like the best player in the league right now...why else did he get player of the week along with Rondo?

He's at 1.6 BPG......



And Lamar is on the list becuase of how GREAT he has been playing now obviously this wont continue but take a look at his numbers.....16.8/11.4/3.6 with 1 steal per game and he's shooting 70% from the field and 80% from 3 now obviously that wont continue but if someone is gonna make a list this early in the season(which is absurd) then he belongs on that list...for now.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:18 PM
gasol has been great. he got player of the week and he deserved it but that was prior to Kobes triple double so i think thats what got Kobe the #1 spot. Kobe is distributing the ball better than i have ever seen him do it in his career. and hes still shooting just above his career average for FG%

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:20 PM
he's been great. But how can the lakers have 3 guys that are all MOST important to their team?

and with the HEAT 4-1, and blowing people out...wade and/or lebron should have an appearance on there.

yeaa but Kobe is putting up career high numbers in assists and rebounds. Lamar Odom is averaging a double double while shooting 70 friggin % from the field.

i think whats keeping LBJ and Wade out is their consistency. from what ive seen they havent been consistent. one has a good performance then the other. and the performances havent been too great. idk but i dont have a problem with the list maybe because KB is on top? lmao. :p

haggis
11-05-2010, 05:20 PM
Where's Scalabrine????

WTF? This list is a sham.

John Walls Era
11-05-2010, 05:21 PM
3 Lakers and no Heat players.... terrible.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:26 PM
Lamar Odom is shooting 70% from the Field. hes #5 in RPG and hes averaging just about 17 PPG. 80% from the 3pt range.

there is an argument for him.

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 05:28 PM
he's been great. But how can the lakers have 3 guys that are all MOST important to their team?

and with the HEAT 4-1, and blowing people out...wade and/or lebron should have an appearance on there.

In 1981, the Lakers and the Celtics each had three players who finished in the top 11 in MVP voting -- Kareem, Wilkes, and Magic; Bird, Parish, Archibald.

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:28 PM
yeaa but Kobe is putting up career high numbers in assists and rebounds. Lamar Odom is averaging a double double while shooting 70 friggin % from the field.

i think whats keeping LBJ and Wade out is their consistency. from what ive seen they havent been consistent. one has a good performance then the other. and the performances havent been too great. idk but i dont have a problem with the list maybe because KB is on top? lmao. :p

You havent seen much then... Wade has been great since the Celtics game (30 points in 35 mins, 26 points in 34 minutes, 17 points in 27 minutes, and then 26 points in 24 minutes, all while averaging 4 assists and 5 rebounds a game despite playing about 30 minutes per game)...

why is Wade penalized b/c the HEAT have been winning games in 30 minutes?

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:30 PM
In 1981, the Lakers and the Celtics each had three players who finished in the top 11 in MVP voting -- Kareem, Wilkes, and Magic; Bird, Parish, Archibald.

the MOST valuable player is by definition a single player on a team. Only one person can be the MOST anything...

Kashmir13579
11-05-2010, 05:32 PM
3 lakers :facepalm:

MacFitz92
11-05-2010, 05:34 PM
List isn't bad for the first week. But that's the thing, it's the first week.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:34 PM
You havent seen much then... Wade has been great since the Celtics game (30 points in 35 mins, 26 points in 34 minutes, 17 points in 27 minutes, and then 26 points in 24 minutes, all while averaging 4 assists and 5 rebounds a game despite playing about 30 minutes per game)...

why is Wade penalized b/c the HEAT have been winning games in 30 minutes?

maybe because his only above average performance came in a loss?


kobe is playing below his average of 37 MPG. hes playing 32 and putting up numbers above his career averages. i think you can make an argument that Durant shouldnt be on this list and Wade should. i dont agree with the list completely but to say that the guys on the list dont deserve to be on it might be a bit much. an argument can be made for each one as to why they are where they are on the list. as time goes on and wade continues to play the way he plays hell be on it.

Soxfan54
11-05-2010, 05:35 PM
How is derrick rose not in the top 5. He is the bulls entire team right now, with some help from Noah

DCB/LAL
11-05-2010, 05:35 PM
Why are people so upset that LAs "BIG THREE" are on the list...they've been playing GREAT....oh and by the way they are also UNDEFEATED with all 3 of them being a huge reason why...just an FYI.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:36 PM
the MOST valuable player is by definition a single player on a team. Only one person can be the MOST anything...

he was just saying to justify that having 3 laker players on the list is not completely arbitrary.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 05:36 PM
That list is horrible.. I really don't care about order except for one: Pau Gasol.

How the heck is he so low and Kobe is #1? Didn't Gasol just win player of the week with Rondo? Not that Kobe doesn't deserve it because he's also been playing at a high level, but Gasol seriously deserves more respect.

td0tsfinest
11-05-2010, 05:36 PM
You know the writer is going to get a lot of hate mail from Heat fans.

Its a pretty bad list but its the first week of ball. They shoud've waited at least a couple of weeks before they started the rankings.

JordansBulls
11-05-2010, 05:39 PM
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/11/05/race-to-mvp-kobe-bryant/?ls=iref:nbahpt1

1. Kobe Bryant, Lakers
2. Chris Paul, Hornets
3. Rajon Rondo, Celtics
4. Dirk Nowitzki, Mavs
5. Monta Ellis, Warriors
6. Kevin Durant, Thunder
7. Dwight Howard, Magic
8. Pau Gasol, Lakers
9. Jason Kidd, Mavs
10. Lamar Odom, Lakers

This list is absolutely ridiculous. I mean damn Monta Ellis is on it. Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, and Kevin Durant right now?
:speechless:

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:40 PM
That list is horrible.. I really don't care about order except for one: Pau Gasol.

How the heck is he so low and Kobe is #1? Didn't Gasol just win player of the week with Rondo? Not that Kobe doesn't deserve it because he's also been playing at a high level, but Gasol seriously deserves more respect.

You say it as if Kobe doesnt deserve the number one spot. Gasol clearly is low on the list. Personally, i think he should be #4. Kobes #1 spot is well deserved. Pau won that player of the week prior to Kobes triple double. But i do agree he is super low on the list. He has been amazing so far.

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:40 PM
he's been great. But how can the lakers have 3 guys that are all MOST important to their team?

and with the HEAT 4-1, and blowing people out...wade and/or lebron should have an appearance on there.

and Lakers are 5-0

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 05:40 PM
the MOST valuable player is by definition a single player on a team. Only one person can be the MOST anything...

Im just giving you facts on how it has happened in the past.

JordansBulls
11-05-2010, 05:41 PM
That list is horrible.. I really don't care about order except for one: Pau Gasol.

How the heck is he so low and Kobe is #1? Didn't Gasol just win player of the week with Rondo? Not that Kobe doesn't deserve it because he's also been playing at a high level, but Gasol seriously deserves more respect.

Agreed.

I also believe CP3 should be #1 at this point. Dude is leading the league in PER and WS and NOLA is undefeated as well when no one was expecting it.

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:42 PM
This is how my list would look:
1. Chris Paul
2. Pau Gasol
3. Derrick Rose
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Dwight Howard
7. Dwyane Wade
8. Monta Ellis
9. Joe Johnson
10. Luis Scola

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:42 PM
People are so sensitive on here. Jeez its so early, anything can happen, so much basketball left. Its not like the MVP award is gonna be given tomorrow.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:43 PM
This list is absolutely ridiculous. I mean damn Monta Ellis is on it. Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, and Kevin Durant right now?
:speechless:

Jason Kidds assist numbers are also career highs. Hes on pace to surpass his single season assist total. His spot is deserved on the list, where at on here? idk but he deserves a spot. Kevin Durant has been horrible i dont think he should be on it. I think he could be replaced with Wade. Lamar Odom deserves his spot on the list. hes #5 in the league in RPG and averaging just about 17 PPG while shooting 70% from the field and 80% from the 3.


this is just the first week..

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:43 PM
This is how my list would look:
1. Chris Paul
2. Pau Gasol
3. Derrick Rose
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Dirk Nowitzki
6. Dwyane Wade
7. Dwight Howard
8. Monta Ellis
9. Luis Scola
10. Joe Johnson

:laugh2:

How is Derrick Rose #3 when his team is 2-2 :laugh2::facepalm:

Antipod
11-05-2010, 05:44 PM
NOH gets 50 wins. CP3 averages 25p/12a =>MVP

Avenged
11-05-2010, 05:44 PM
You say it as if Kobe doesnt deserve the number one spot. Gasol clearly is low on the list. Personally, i think he should be #4. Kobes #1 spot is well deserved. Pau won that player of the week prior to Kobes triple double. But i do agree he is super low on the list. He has been amazing so far.

There are a couple of players that deserve the #1 spot but that wasn't my point. I'm just saying that Gasol has been absolutely ridiculous good for the Lakers, and arguably playing better than Kobe thus far [if not equal], so to have him so low, while Kobe is so high doesn't make sense to me.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:46 PM
this is my list

1kobe
2cp3
3rondo
4gasol
5nowitzki
6wade
7howard
8kidd
9ellis
10odom

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:46 PM
I forgot Rondo. Replace Scola with Rondo.

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:46 PM
This list is absolutely ridiculous. I mean damn Monta Ellis is on it. Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, and Kevin Durant right now?
:speechless:

Monta Ellis deserves to be on that list. Did anyone expect the Warriors to be 3-1 through 4 games?

Hes avg. 30ppg 4rpg 6apg while shooting 54% from the field and 40% from 3.

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:48 PM
I forgot Rondo. Replace Scola with Rondo.


It seems you do not understand how MVP voting works. The rockets are win less, so how the hell are you gonna have Scola as a MVP candidate?

Jeez!:facepalm:

bodupp311
11-05-2010, 05:48 PM
:laugh2:

How is Derrick Rose #3 when his team is 2-2 :laugh2::facepalm:

Maybe catch some Bulls games before you comment.

And dont tell me you did b/c its apparent you didnt.

















:pity:

Raph12
11-05-2010, 05:49 PM
NOH gets 50 wins. CP3 averages 25p/12a =>MVP

Orlando gets 60+wins. D12 avgs 23p/13r/2a/1s/3b =>MVP

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Maybe catch some Bulls games before you comment.

And dont tell me you did b/c its apparent you didnt.

No doubt he is playing well, but MVP has a lot to do with team success. If that wasn't the case then Kobe would of won it many times.










:pity:

No doubt he is playing well, but MVP has a lot to do with team success. If that wasn't the case then Kobe would of won it many times.

numba1CHANGsta
11-05-2010, 05:50 PM
Hey Lebron, get use to not winning the MVP every year from now on :D

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:50 PM
There are a couple of players that deserve the #1 spot but that wasn't my point. I'm just saying that Gasol has been absolutely ridiculous good for the Lakers, and arguably playing better than Kobe thus far [if not equal], so to have him so low, while Kobe is so high doesn't make sense to me.

yea rondo, gasol, kobe, cp3 could all be #1 imo. but Kobes spot is deserved. hes been putting up career high in numbers while averaging well below his normal MPG. ive already put my list up i think gasol should be #4. but hes playing 37 minutes. dwight howard is playing 27 MPG and putting up similar numbers. so, again, an argument can be made as to why he is at where hes at. Kobes triple double obviously put him on top this week. take away that game and he drops below Gasol. Kobes doing his thang.

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:51 PM
It seems you do not understand how MVP voting works. The rockets are win less, so how the hell are you gonna have Scola as a MVP candidate?

Jeez!:facepalm:

b/c he is putting up HUGE numbers...

and I dont think that if you replace scola with odom the rockets are a better team. Why does odom get consideration b/c he plays with two mega stars that win games... while scola puts up much better numbers and doesnt get considered.

Chacarron
11-05-2010, 05:51 PM
When was the last time Odom cracked the top 10 Race to MVP?

Chacarron
11-05-2010, 05:53 PM
and Gasol is too low in that list.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:53 PM
When was the last time Odom cracked the top 10 Race to MVP?

:cricket:

LTBaByyy
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
I love the list :)

Mavs finally get some love

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
b/c he is putting up HUGE numbers...

and I dont think that if you replace scola with odom the rockets are a better team. Why does odom get consideration b/c he plays with two mega stars that win games... while scola puts up much better numbers and doesnt get considered.

Is his team winning? No, you can cross him out. That's not how MVP voting works, especially how you would replace Rondo who is "winning" and playing out of his mind right now for Scola.

No doubt Scola is playing great, but the fact still stands that they haven't one a game yet.

Team success has a major part to do with the mvp award

Cubsfan365
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
:laugh2:

How is Derrick Rose #3 when his team is 2-2 :laugh2::facepalm:
Because we would be 0-4 probably without him. How does 27 ppg, 10 apg, and 4 rpg not get you in the top 10 for this list? It's pretty comical when Odom is, but Rose isn't.

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
b/c he is putting up HUGE numbers...

and I dont think that if you replace scola with odom the rockets are a better team. Why does odom get consideration b/c he plays with two mega stars that win games... while scola puts up much better numbers and doesnt get considered.

Maybe because he is shooting 70% and 80% from 3 and handing out about 4 assists a game to go along with 16.6ppg and 11.4rpg and is on a 5-0 team and Scola is on a team yet to win a game.

Chacarron
11-05-2010, 05:55 PM
:cricket:

:p

Cubsfan365
11-05-2010, 05:55 PM
Is his team winning? No, you can cross him out. That's not how MVP voting works, especially how you would replace Rondo who is "winning" and playing out of his mind right now for Scola.

No doubt Scola is playing great, but the fact still stands that they haven't one a game yet.

Team success has a major part to do with the mvp award
We are 2-2. It's not like we are 0-4. You are acting like the Bulls are like 0-10 or something. The Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Knicks last night when they shot 70% from 3.

Gibby23
11-05-2010, 05:56 PM
We are 2-2. It's not like we are 0-4. You are acting like the Bulls are like 0-10 or something. The Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Knicks last night when they shot 70% from 3.

he is talking about Scola who is on a winless team

daleja424
11-05-2010, 05:57 PM
I just think that some other people should grace the list... I dont see why we need 5 people from 2 teams...

$KnicksAndKobe$
11-05-2010, 05:57 PM
b/c he is putting up HUGE numbers...

and I dont think that if you replace scola with odom the rockets are a better team. Why does odom get consideration b/c he plays with two mega stars that win games... while scola puts up much better numbers and doesnt get considered.

The numbers aren't that off if your comparing Odom to Scola so far.
And ye, Odom IS playing with 2 mega-superstars that win games, but Odom is still a BIG part of their success.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 05:58 PM
We are 2-2. It's not like we are 0-4. You are acting like the Bulls are like 0-10 or something. The Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Knicks last night when they shot 70% from 3.

lakers defended the 3 last year better than any team in the NBA. and this year there has yet to be a team to consistently score on us from the perimeter. our perimeter defense is unmatched. as well as our interior defense. the only reason teams are putting up points is because the pace of our offense. more possession-more points.

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 05:58 PM
Because we would be 0-4 probably without him. How does 27 ppg, 10 apg, and 4 rpg not get you in the top 10 for this list? It's pretty comical when Odom is, but Rose isn't.

Again, MVP consideration has a lot to do with team success. Its hard for a writer to give consideration to a player who's on a team that's 2-2 or 0-4.

Its so early in the season I'm sure he will be up there.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 06:00 PM
I just think that some other people should grace the list... I dont see why we need 5 people from 2 teams...

yeaa that is true but its not like the guys who are on the list are undeserving of where they are at. obviously a list like this is not going to please everyone. someone always gets left out (i.e. wade). give it time and youll see the elite players in the league start to make the list while players like odom (if he falls off-which i hope he doesnt), kidd, KD (if he continues his horrendous shooting), and ellis will slowly but surely be removed and replaced with others.

its only week 1 bruh.

Cubsfan365
11-05-2010, 06:01 PM
lakers defended the 3 last year better than any team in the NBA. and this year there has yet to be a team to consistently score on us from the perimeter. our perimeter defense is unmatched. as well as our interior defense. the only reason teams are putting up points is because the pace of our offense. more possession-more points.
Interesting because the Bulls were #1 in defending the 3 before last night's game vs. the Knicks. So that argument doesn't really mean anything.

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 06:06 PM
:laugh2:

$KnicksAndKobe$
11-05-2010, 06:08 PM
:laugh2:

:D



Interesting because the Bulls were #1 in defending the 3 before last night's game vs. the Knicks. So that argument doesn't really mean anything.

There is a difference between 3 games of a defensive statistic and 82 games (playoffs plus finals)

DCB/LAL
11-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Interesting because the Bulls were #1 in defending the 3 before last night's game vs. the Knicks. So that argument doesn't really mean anything.

Please note that rankings, MVP lists are subject to change as the year goes on.....LA defended the 3 better than any team last year through out the whole year.....the Bulls did it for a few games....I ask you are they still atop of that list now?


Doing it for a year>doing it for a few games.

Cubsfan365
11-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Rose: 26.8 ppg, 10.0 apg, 4 rpg, FG%: .482

Kidd: 9.3 ppg, 11.8 apg, 5.1 rpg, FG%: .387

So basically, since Kidd gets 1.8 more assists and 1.1 more rebounds, that makes him a better MVP candidate? Sorry, those barely better numbers don't diminish the fact that Rose outscores him by 17.5 ppg and shoots 10% better than Kidd. :facepalm:

still1ballin
11-05-2010, 06:11 PM
Rose: 26.8 ppg, 10.0 apg, 4 rpg, FG%: .482

Kidd: 9.3 ppg, 11.8 apg, 5.1 rpg, FG%: .387

So basically, since Kidd gets 1.8 more assists and 1.1 more rebounds, that makes him a better MVP candidate? Sorry, those barely better numbers don't diminish the fact that Rose outscores him by 17.5 ppg and shoots 10% better than Kidd. :facepalm:

Rose is the #1 option on the Bulls. The offense goes through him. Kidd is not even close being the #1 option on Dallas. Not that I agree with Kidd being higher than Rose.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 06:13 PM
I'd have Chris Paul #1, followed by Gasol, Rondo/Kobe, and could care less about the rest.

Wade and Lebron will make their way on the list. Ellis, Kidd, and Odom will fall off.

Cubsfan365
11-05-2010, 06:17 PM
Rose is the #1 option on the Bulls. The offense goes through him. Kidd is not even close being the #1 option on Dallas. Not that I agree with Kidd being higher than Rose.
I'm not saying Kidd hasn't played well, but he has really only been MVP-caliber in the assists category, when IMO Rose has been on that level in scoring and assists.

dodie53
11-05-2010, 06:18 PM
it's just a list

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 06:18 PM
I'd have Chris Paul #1, followed by Gasol, Rondo/Kobe, and could care less about the rest.

Wade and Lebron will make their way on the list. Ellis, Kidd, and Odom will fall off.


yeah, well youre going to have to live with Kobe being #1. because thats what he is right now. :rolleyes:

Avenged
11-05-2010, 06:19 PM
yeah, well youre going to have to live with Kobe being #1. because thats what he is right now. :rolleyes:

Ok. :shrug:

Didn't mean to offend you by not agreeing that Kobe shouldn't be #1. :rolleyes:

Voodoo Alchemy
11-05-2010, 06:20 PM
how is kobe #1 when gasol is doing all the heavy lifting?

kArSoN RyDaH
11-05-2010, 06:20 PM
Ok. :shrug:

Didn't mean to offend you by not agreeing that Kobe shouldn't be #1. :rolleyes:

i dont get offended by people hating on Kobe anymore. im used to it.


:cool:

PurpleJesus28
11-05-2010, 06:39 PM
probably gonna get flamed for this, but i dont really care. i dont think wade or lebrondeserve to be mentioned for MVP. dont get me wrong, there obviously great players, both are top 5 in the league. i dont think the MVP needs to go to the best player on the best team though. if wade goes down, can you really say that the heat still aren't in good position to win with lebronand Bosh? Lebron deserved to win it with Cleveland b/c without him that team is garbage. i think the MVP needs to go to a player who w/o them, the team would be screwed - like kobe, CP3, D12, etc.

LeonFSU
11-05-2010, 07:03 PM
If Kidd and Odom are there I see now reason why John Wall and Blake Griffin wouldnt be

I'm just happy to see your sig.:cheer:

LeonFSU
11-05-2010, 07:10 PM
probably gonna get flamed for this, but i dont really care. i dont think wade or lebrondeserve to be mentioned for MVP. dont get me wrong, there obviously great players, both are top 5 in the league. i dont think the MVP needs to go to the best player on the best team though. if wade goes down, can you really say that the heat still aren't in good position to win with lebronand Bosh? Lebron deserved to win it with Cleveland b/c without him that team is garbage. i think the MVP needs to go to a player who w/o them, the team would be screwed - like kobe, CP3, D12, etc.

I don't really see why one of them couldn't get it. Jordan won it with Pippen who was an amazing player. Bosh will have less of an impact than Horace Grant or even Dennis Rodman did for the Bulls. So really, if you look at Wade as a much lesser version of Jordan (in role only) and Lebron as a better version of Pippen, then I don't see any reason why one of them shouldn't win it.

Just because Lebron and Wade's impact on the team is more comparable to each other than Jordan's impact compared to Pippen's doesn't mean one of them shouldn't get it. I don't see too much of a difference between one of them getting it and Kobe or Pau getting it.

THE MTL
11-05-2010, 07:11 PM
I dont understand how Kobe sits over Paul???? Paul has HALF the talent of the Lakers and they got the same record. It should DEF be CP3.

And Lamar Odom and MVP candidate should NEVER be used in the same sentence. He is not even the 4th option on that team.

I thought their whole big thing was about being practical???

Lebron James and Dwayne Wade are under Lamar Odom!!!!!

News24/7
11-05-2010, 07:22 PM
I'd have Chris Paul #1, followed by Gasol, Rondo/Kobe, and could care less about the rest.

Wade and Lebron will make their way on the list. Ellis, Kidd, and Odom will fall off.

jeez for a lakers fan, your not really fond of kobe aren't you?

Storch
11-05-2010, 07:24 PM
It's only based on the first few games in the season, so the names up there are pretty good. But it's ridiculous to even be thinking about MVP candidates right now because it's wayyyy to early. Expect Lebron to go up there as top 3 in the end, book it.

Storch
11-05-2010, 07:27 PM
it's just a list

correction: it's a list made by espn

I've learned to ignore anything they say.


there are a lot of posters on PSD that have more of my respect than that entire organization.

Jenceman
11-05-2010, 07:27 PM
Jesus people, if you read the article you would get the reasoning. Even the writer himself was talking about how these are unrealistic, but he's basing it off of MVP qualifications for a whole season(like team wins, stats, etc.) which is why the list is the way it is. Obviously it's gonna change.

Bunch of goddamn kids.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 07:36 PM
jeez for a lakers fan, your not really fond of kobe aren't you?

I have already said Kobe deserves it [among other players]. Could careless about who is #1 so early in the season.

What I'm having trouble understanding is how Gasol is so low on the list, meanwhile Kobe is so high. I could careless if anyone see's that as "hating". Not necessarily "hating" when I have already said Kobe deserves it.

TheWatcher34
11-05-2010, 07:39 PM
this early into the season MVP ratings are random. nba.com shows their sympathy for players..it will all be sorted out.

godolphins
11-05-2010, 07:49 PM
Lamar is having a better start to the season than Lebron.
That's because Lebron usually sits out most of the 4th quater in he's last 3 or 4 games.

News24/7
11-05-2010, 07:51 PM
I have already said Kobe deserves it [among other players]. Could careless about who is #1 so early in the season.

What I'm having trouble understanding is how Gasol is so low on the list, meanwhile Kobe is so high. I could careless if anyone see's that as "hating". Not necessarily "hating" when I have already said Kobe deserves it.

i sort of understand what your saying but now your just contradicting yourself. First you state, "Kobe Deserves it". Ok so Kobe deserves that number 1 spot, got that out of the way, at least based on what you said.

Then you say "How is Gasol so low on the list, while Kobe is so high?" To me, that implies that just because Gasol is low on the list, why should kobe be that much higher?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing what your saying because i as well could care less about the list, but I'm just trying to understand what your saying exactly.

News24/7
11-05-2010, 07:53 PM
That's because Lebron usually sits out most of the 4th quater in he's last 3 or 4 games.

Is that Odom's or anybody's fault? Not trying to act like a jerk or anything, because lebron will most likely finish top 3 or win mvp this season.

avrpatsfan
11-05-2010, 07:57 PM
Bryant over CP3?

Bruno
11-05-2010, 08:00 PM
Wade should be on there.

drew_ellis_23
11-05-2010, 08:12 PM
Way too early for this ****. Russell Westbrook is a name I think we will see on this list by the end of the year. Not saying he will get it, but he is off to a nice start.

drew_ellis_23
11-05-2010, 08:14 PM
I have already said Kobe deserves it [among other players]. Could careless about who is #1 so early in the season.

What I'm having trouble understanding is how Gasol is so low on the list, meanwhile Kobe is so high. I could careless if anyone see's that as "hating". Not necessarily "hating" when I have already said Kobe deserves it.

Kobe will likely win it, and Lakers will win the title this year. Kobe seems to be running on all cylinders

Bruno
11-05-2010, 08:14 PM
I have already said Kobe deserves it [among other players]. Could careless about who is #1 so early in the season.

What I'm having trouble understanding is how Gasol is so low on the list, meanwhile Kobe is so high. I could careless if anyone see's that as "hating". Not necessarily "hating" when I have already said Kobe deserves it.

Bryant has out-played Gasol through five games. He has a higher PER, higher TS%, an equal WS, and a higher WS/48. I get what you're saying but people wouldn't be happy to see two Lakers in the top 5. Especially since he has Odom in the top 10. He's been great but Wade should be in there over LO.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 08:46 PM
i sort of understand what your saying but now your just contradicting yourself. First you state, "Kobe Deserves it". Ok so Kobe deserves that number 1 spot, got that out of the way, at least based on what you said.

Then you say "How is Gasol so low on the list, while Kobe is so high?" To me, that implies that just because Gasol is low on the list, why should kobe be that much higher?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing what your saying because i as well could care less about the list, but I'm just trying to understand what your saying exactly.

What I'm saying is that there are a couple of players that deserve being #1. But this isn't about being #1 to me, the only thing I'm arguing is how Gasol is so low but Kobe is so high seeing as how they both have been playing pretty even.

Kobe does deserve it, but Pau Gasol doesn't deserve being so low.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 08:50 PM
Bryant has out-played Gasol through five games. He has a higher PER, higher TS%, an equal WS, and a higher WS/48. I get what you're saying but people wouldn't be happy to see two Lakers in the top 5. Especially since he has Odom in the top 10. He's been great but Wade should be in there over LO.

Yeah, again, I'm glad Kobe is #1 [lol] just disappointed Gasol is so low.

But whatever, we all know Kobe and Gasol are both playing at a high level, they're both on top of the league, and Odom has suddenly been playing ridiculous. That's really all that matters.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 08:51 PM
Kobe will likely win it, and Lakers will win the title this year. Kobe seems to be running on all cylinders

Yeah, well as a Lakers fan I hope so.

Although I can't see Kobe winning it just yet, too early to tell.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-06-2010, 12:25 AM
Bryant has out-played Gasol through five games. He has a higher PER, higher TS%, an equal WS, and a higher WS/48. I get what you're saying but people wouldn't be happy to see two Lakers in the top 5. Especially since he has Odom in the top 10. He's been great but Wade should be in there over LO.

i think LO is well deserving of his spot on the list. the guy who shouldnt be on here is Durant. guy is shooting a horrible FG%. maybe take him off, or Kidd. but then again Kidd is playing at a career high level assists wise too. way too early. in a couple weeks things should pan out.

Raph12
11-06-2010, 01:27 AM
I'm calling it now, if Dwight gets ~36mpg and Magic win 60+, he wins MVP and DPOY, book it... Unless KD/CP3 ball out of their minds.

kArSoN RyDaH
11-06-2010, 01:42 AM
I'm calling it now, if Dwight gets ~36mpg and Magic win 60+, he wins MVP and DPOY, book it... Unless KD/CP3 ball out of their minds.

hes averaging 27 MPG bro. lol. i dont think its gonna happen. i think he should have won it last year.

Raph12
11-06-2010, 01:53 AM
hes averaging 27 MPG bro. lol. i dont think its gonna happen. i think he should have won it last year.

He put up 30-16-2-2-1 in 37mins tonight while holding Lopez to 10pts on 3-17 shooting (6pts on 2-2FG while Dwight was on the bench)... If the Magic can get him steady playing time and not blow out every opponent, he'll win both.

GoatMilk
11-06-2010, 02:39 AM
He put up 30-16-2-2-1 in 37mins tonight while holding Lopez to 10pts on 3-17 shooting (6pts on 2-2FG while Dwight was on the bench)... If the Magic can get him steady playing time and not blow out every opponent, he'll win both.

gonna be tough since the Magic are going to blowout every mediocre team
already doing so and doesnt surprise me at all.
expect nothing but the same

alencp3
11-06-2010, 03:43 AM
CP3 is MVP
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JLynn943
11-06-2010, 03:38 PM
I can understand no Lebron, but Wade deserves to be in the top 10 at this point.

montazingmvp
11-06-2010, 10:56 PM
This list is absolutely ridiculous. I mean damn Monta Ellis is on it. Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, and Kevin Durant right now?
:speechless:

why shouldn't monta be on it?

29ppg 4rebs 5asts, with fantastic efficiency isn't mvp caliber?

KG2TB
11-06-2010, 10:58 PM
Cp3 or Kobe. Cp3 already got jobbed once by Kobe so hopefully he wins it this year.

SugeKnight
11-06-2010, 11:26 PM
This list is absolutely ridiculous. I mean damn Monta Ellis is on it. Jason Kidd, Lamar Odom, and Kevin Durant right now?
:speechless:

Ignorance