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Ty Fast
11-04-2010, 09:28 PM
Which rookie has impressed you the most so far?

gbpackers12
11-04-2010, 09:32 PM
John Wall so far for me, but they've both been very good.

daleja424
11-04-2010, 09:39 PM
Griffin for me. I expected this from Wall. I didnt expect Griffin to be this dominant this fast

Rafer17
11-04-2010, 10:06 PM
Blake griffin will probably be a top 5 pf by the end of the season. john wall will probably be a top pg

I like griffin a little more as of now though.

aussie
11-04-2010, 10:09 PM
not gonna lie, we have this same thread every 3 days

Jays Claw
11-04-2010, 10:12 PM
They've both been equally impressive. Although, I'd give Griffin the slight edge for now.

el_primo_nano
11-04-2010, 10:23 PM
Griffin for me. I expected this from Wall. I didnt expect Griffin to be this dominant this fast

exactly

godolphins
11-04-2010, 10:36 PM
John Wall

td0tsfinest
11-04-2010, 10:42 PM
Both have been really impressive, putting up great numbers to start the season. I'm giving to Wall, kids putting up almost 20 and 10. Buts its still really early.

Honourable mention to Derrick Favours. He hasn't played more than 24 minutes yet but he's almost average a double-double. Definitely didn't see this coming, especially after the mediocre pre-season.

DreamShaker
11-04-2010, 10:57 PM
You really can't go wrong with either one. Both are showing flashes of brilliance. I do fear more injuries for Griffin because he plays with wreckless abandon. He needs to chill a bit, play smarter.

metsfaninSTL
11-04-2010, 10:59 PM
griffin for me

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 11:16 PM
Griffin for me. I expected this from Wall. I didnt expect Griffin to be this dominant this fast

exact words...

NothingbutWill
11-05-2010, 12:56 AM
Playing = Griffin
Dancing = Wall

MJ-BULLS
11-05-2010, 12:59 AM
Griffin for me, he really is a skilled big man that can handle the ball and run a fastbreak.

he reminds me of Sir Charles.

Ovratd1up
11-05-2010, 01:07 AM
I'd say Wall so far, but he looks more likely to come back down to earth than Griffin.

John Walls Era
11-05-2010, 01:11 AM
Its hard to play PG as a rookie... I have to say Wall.

J4KOP99
11-05-2010, 01:14 AM
They're both deserving of the ROTY as of now...

I like Griffen a little more because I always value big men higher than guards. However, both look like they will be great and as others have stated, both have shown flashes of brilliance.

My two drawbacks are:

Griffin:He is going to get hurt all the time if he keeps up this style of play. Not everything has to make sportscenter top plays. He tries to bring the rim down with every dunk...

Wall: He sometimes plays too fast. Gets ahead of himself here and there. Obviously, he is still extremely young so he will most likely work on this aspect of his game.

CowboysKB24
11-05-2010, 01:18 AM
I have to gift it to Wall. He is dominating at point the first five games. He is amongst the top of the league in points (20th at 23.7 PPG), steals (1st 4 STLs/game), assists (3rd 10.3/game)
46.2%FG
78%FT

Griffen is playing well, but Wall has the edge.

Hunter48MVP
11-05-2010, 01:25 AM
Blake Griffin

Raph12
11-05-2010, 01:57 AM
Griffin seems more NBA-ready, but Wall has shown a lot of potential.

IB_Hyperizin'13
11-05-2010, 02:37 AM
Def Griffin, he's been a freak athletically, given us some great highlights. Wall is nice, but like someone said earlier I feel he'll come back down to some avg numbers. His TO are still high and he's getting more min with no arenas. DMC is doing well too with the limited min he's been getting from the crowded frontcourt. He's deceptively fast for how big he is. All 3 are must-sees for me this nba season. Going to try to hit up the clippers/magic game this season.

Supreme LA
11-05-2010, 05:41 AM
Blake Griffin by far. Not that impressed by Wall so much...he seems too raw even for a rookie. If he played a little bit more under control and made some smarter decisions with the ball at times then I would give him more credit I guess. I just expect a little bit more out of him being a PG and all.

Piizrich
11-05-2010, 06:02 AM
I would say both, because they're not playing @ same position. And are different kind of players!

CityofChaos
11-05-2010, 06:20 AM
Blake Griffin because he is one less #1 draft picked big man that didn't live up to his expectations.

I didnt expect him to be so dominant this fast...dude's a beast.

TheGoodGerman
11-05-2010, 06:32 AM
Wall. But, maybe ... that could be tie at the moment ...

barreleffact
11-05-2010, 07:05 AM
Blake Griffin by far. Not that impressed by Wall so much...he seems too raw even for a rookie. If he played a little bit more under control and made some smarter decisions with the ball at times then I would give him more credit I guess. I just expect a little bit more out of him being a PG and all.

he has had AT LEAST 9 assists in every game so far. if there is a higher ceiling than 23ppg on 10 apg w 4 spg then sure...his play is terrible. especially for a rookie:rolleyes:

NBA-GMaster
11-05-2010, 07:41 AM
Both of these guys will be the new face of their teams.. But IMO, Healthy Blake Griffin will win the ROY..

HoopsMachine
11-05-2010, 07:56 AM
I would have to say Griffin, no one expected him to come out and play as hard and effective as he has been up to this point. I've expressed this in other threads but you also have to factor in he is coming off an injury.

John Wall has done well too but expectations for him were already high.

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 07:12 PM
he has had AT LEAST 9 assists in every game so far. if there is a higher ceiling than 23ppg on 10 apg w 4 spg then sure...his play is terrible. especially for a rookie:rolleyes:

9 assists a game is pretty impressive and I'm not saying the kid doesn't have any talent. He does average almost 6 turnovers a game and that should be taken into account when considering he is the one who is in charge of taking care of the ball. Like I said, he needs to slow down and play a little more under control.

He is not a top PG in the league right now and he won't be for sometime until he starts taking care of the ball. He just seems too raw and flashy for my liking and I just prefer a PG that values the ball more.

Rego247
11-06-2010, 07:16 PM
Its hard to play PG as a rookie... I have to say Wall.

surprise, surprise :D.

Mr Moody
11-06-2010, 08:01 PM
Griffin makes the game look easy, its fun to watch

Khalifa21
11-06-2010, 08:02 PM
From the small, 6 game sample size i've seen, it's clear Griffin has little to no weakness in his game. He's pretty much completely ready.

As much as Wall has impressed, his mid range game is still a work in progress and he's leading the league in turnovers a game at almost a 6 a night.

Blake has looked so much more complete.

Bank$23
11-06-2010, 08:06 PM
JWall

John Walls Era
11-06-2010, 08:09 PM
I change my mind. Griffin is more impressive @ this moment. He was very good yesterday, he showed his midrange and post game.

td0tsfinest
11-06-2010, 08:11 PM
From the small, 6 game sample size i've seen, it's clear Griffin has little to no weakness in his game. He's pretty much completely ready.

As much as Wall has impressed, his mid range game is still a work in progress and he's leading the league in turnovers a game at almost a 6 a night.

Blake has looked so much more complete.

I'd consider that horrendous FT% a pretty big weakness. He really needs to work on that.

xxcubs22xx
11-06-2010, 08:12 PM
Griffin, for sure. Not taking anything against Wall though

Khalifa21
11-06-2010, 08:44 PM
I'd consider that horrendous FT% a pretty big weakness. He really needs to work on that.

I did miss that when I was looking at his numbers. I don't think it's unfeasible that he could get himself between 65-70% before the season's done though.

Other than that, he's one of the most complete rookies i've seen. Same with Wall when he sorts those turnovers out. I'd rather a guy that shoots 56% from the foul line than a guy that turns the ball over nearly 6 times a game.

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 08:52 PM
I'd consider that horrendous FT% a pretty big weakness. He really needs to work on that.

The turnovers are the biggest weakness. A PG is trusted to take care of the ball and the kid just seems more interested in making highlight passes than he is valuing each possession.

It seems a little premature but just by watching his style of play, I don't believe he will ever be a top 5 PG in this league.

(In no particular order)
1. Chris Paul
2. Rondo
3. Steve Nash
4. Deron Williams
5. Derrick Rose
6. Tyreke Evans
7. Russel Westbrook
8. Tony Parker
9. Monta Ellis
10. Devin Harris
11. Brandon Jennings
12. Jason Kidd
13. Jameer Nelson

I don't ever see John Wall cracking the top 5 list for PG's just by looking at all the great young PG's we have in the league already.

John Walls Era
11-06-2010, 08:54 PM
The turnovers are the biggest weakness. A PG is trusted to take care of the ball and the kid just seems more interested in making highlight passes than he is valuing each possession.

It seems a little premature but just by watching his style of play, I don't believe he will ever be a top 5 PG in this league.

(In no particular order)
1. Chris Paul
2. Rondo
3. Steve Nash
4. Deron Williams
5. Derrick Rose
6. Tyreke Evans
7. Russel Westbrook
8. Tony Parker
9. Monta Ellis
10. Devin Harris
11. Brandon Jennings
12. Jason Kidd
13. Jameer Nelson

I don't ever see John Wall cracking the top 5 list for PG's just by looking at all the great young PG's we have in the league already.

:rolleyes: Hes a rookie.

Mr. Baller
11-06-2010, 08:56 PM
The turnovers are the biggest weakness. A PG is trusted to take care of the ball and the kid just seems more interested in making highlight passes than he is valuing each possession.

It seems a little premature but just by watching his style of play, I don't believe he will ever be a top 5 PG in this league.

(In no particular order)
1. Chris Paul
2. Rondo
3. Steve Nash
4. Deron Williams
5. Derrick Rose
6. Tyreke Evans
7. Russel Westbrook
8. Tony Parker
9. Monta Ellis
10. Devin Harris
11. Brandon Jennings
12. Jason Kidd
13. Jameer Nelson

I don't ever see John Wall cracking the top 5 list for PG's just by looking at all the great young PG's we have in the league already.

You have two guys who dont even play point guard in this list in Monta and Tyreke as they play shooting guards. Parker and Kidd are near the end so in the near future Wall will jump him. I would take him over Jameer as well. He will be in the top 5 in 2-3 years.

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 09:00 PM
You have two guys who dont even play point guard in this list in Monta and Tyreke as they play shooting guards. Parker and Kidd are near the end so in the near future Wall will jump him. I would take him over Jameer as well. He will be in the top 5 in 2-3 years.

Top 5??? Over who???

CP3, Deron, Westbrook, Rose, and Rondo will all still be around. So how does he crack the top 5 in 2-3 years??

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 09:02 PM
:rolleyes: Hes a rookie.

A hyped up and overrated rookie ;)

airforceones25
11-06-2010, 09:02 PM
i love wall however i have to say griffin. yesterday vs the nuggets he decided to debut his 19ft jumper. kid has zero weaknesses. he went perfect from the line yesterday as well. his work ethic is stupid crazy and i can't wait to see the bright future ahead in clipper land.

on a side note. wall's kentucky teammate eric bledsoe has looked amazing in his first 2 games since taking over for baron. 17pts 8ast and 12pts 13ast and has been extremely efficient doing it on 7-10 and 6-9 shooting!

edit: griffin also leads the league in offensive rebounding

John Walls Era
11-06-2010, 09:03 PM
A hyped up and overrated rookie ;)

Haters are gonna hate. Greatness is always hated.

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Haters are gonna hate. Greatness is always hated.

Umm no. Overrated and overly hyped players just don't get credit from me until they earn it ;)

nstachowski
11-06-2010, 09:07 PM
Blake Griffin. He's a monster

Missing56&33
11-06-2010, 09:22 PM
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jmtapia
11-06-2010, 09:47 PM
Wall

Supreme LA
11-06-2010, 09:58 PM
Anybody who says Wall has been the more impressive rookie hasn't watched either rookie play yet.

airforceones25
11-06-2010, 10:11 PM
Blake has 15 and 12 at half

KG2TB
11-06-2010, 10:19 PM
Blake is SCARY good. The most athletic, agile, quick, and skilled big man I've ever seen. He's gonna be the best PF in the game sooner rather than later.

drobe86
11-07-2010, 04:59 AM
I'll take John Wall here. Griffin looks like a poor mans version of Kenyon Martin back in the day. Dude has no game, he just dunks lol.... Its exciting for a while but little to no substance. He won't be a cornerstone for the Clips turning it around. Book it

THE MTL
11-07-2010, 05:26 AM
John Wall def! His stats are amazing and he truly is the leader of that team and while Clippers and Wizards have the same record (1 win).....John Wall is playing with FAR less talent!

However, I do sense that they both will come back down to Earth and a little more on Wall's end as well

alencp3
11-07-2010, 05:37 AM
I'll take John Wall here. Griffin looks like a poor mans version of Kenyon Martin back in the day. Dude has no game, he just dunks lol.... Its exciting for a while but little to no substance. He won't be a cornerstone for the Clips turning it around. Book it

I feel sorry for you man :facepalm:

John Walls Era
11-07-2010, 05:57 AM
Im obviously a huge John Wall fan, but Griffin has been more impressive [so far].

airforceones25
11-07-2010, 11:49 AM
I'll take John Wall here. Griffin looks like a poor mans version of Kenyon Martin back in the day. Dude has no game, he just dunks lol.... Its exciting for a while but little to no substance. He won't be a cornerstone for the Clips turning it around. Book it

i laughed out loud! :facepalm:

netsgiantsyanks
11-07-2010, 12:00 PM
blake griffin. anyone who thinks otherwise is either a homer or a dumbass

acehole
11-07-2010, 01:04 PM
I like Griffin

RedRicanoBx
11-07-2010, 01:10 PM
Blake !!

NYYCowboys
11-07-2010, 01:31 PM
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ANKUSH
11-07-2010, 01:35 PM
Are we taking into account that Griffin isn't exactly a traditional rookie...he's experienced the NBA (albeit not actual play time) for a year now......so I'm more impressed with J Wall

northsider
11-07-2010, 01:39 PM
Are we taking into account that Griffin isn't exactly a traditional rookie...he's experienced the NBA (albeit not actual play time) for a year now......so I'm more impressed with J Wall

HAHAHA I go to a ton of games I don't play in does that make me an experienced NBA player?

THE GIPPER
11-07-2010, 01:46 PM
Griffin for me i think you could argue that he is a top 5 pf right now.

JayHunter
11-07-2010, 01:48 PM
I expected Griffin to do what he's doing but i didn't expect Wall to average 10 assist

JayW_1023
11-08-2010, 08:19 AM
Griffin is the more consistent of the two...so Griffin.

JasonJohnHorn
11-08-2010, 08:29 AM
Not even a question at this point. Griffen is not only putting up double-doubles, but he is not just a good rebounder so far, he is a dominant rebounder. His FG% is solid, his scoring leads all rookies, and on top of that, he is passing the ball very well, not just for a rookie, but for a power forward. He is easily the most complete rookie at this point in the season (which is still VERY early on in the season). His assist/turnovers isnt great at this point, but there have been nights where his passing is spot on, and I think once he adjusts to the NBA game he's going to be one of the best post passers in the league.

As for Wall, he's done well, but as the season comes along I think Turner and Cousins may very well be putting out more productive numbers than Wall. But only time will tell, it is very early in the seasn.

Rentzias
11-08-2010, 10:56 AM
I'm usually always biased toward PGs, but Wall had 23 turnovers (8, 9, 6) in the past three games, so Griffin, despite the fact he's putting up "Boozer-without-FT-shooting" numbers (high points/boards, no blocks at PF).

macc
11-08-2010, 12:08 PM
I know I like playing with John Wall on 2k11. It doesn't take much to create space with him. He makes playing with the Wizards fun. That's the team I've been playing with the most. I think he's going to be something special.


Blake Griffin on the other hand is no joke. It's tough to compare to players of different positions but they were both worth the first pick in the draft. Griffin has been more conistant/solid thus far but Wall will be fine given some more time in the league.