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DitchDat
11-04-2010, 02:13 PM
If the Celts finish with a respectable season record, could Rondo be a top-5 MVP vote getter?

He is playing out of his mind... I don't expect him to average 17 assists, but if he keeps playing the way he is, I think he could be an MVP candidate

Thoughts?

Hellcrooner
11-04-2010, 02:19 PM
top 5 ?

let me check.......Durant is a lock for the discussion, so are Wade, Lebron and KObe.

he would also have to fight Dwight for the position,...........

Not really. He does not have enough endorsementes from snickers companys.
Sad but true.

tcav701
11-04-2010, 02:22 PM
Its tough to vote for someone that isn't scoring very much and this is comming from someone that likes the assists over scoring.

But assists only occur when they guy you pass it to makes his shot. I believe the score is the result of the pass but most think the assist is a result of the score.

Either way, it would be completely unconventional for Rondo to be the MVP assuming his play continues with scoring so low.

Raph12
11-04-2010, 02:23 PM
Rondo is a beast, but the Celts have so much talent that I can't see Rondo taking it...

I stand by what I said, Dwight will win MVP, with Kobe, Durant, CP3 and Melo rounding out the top 5 (provided CP3 and Melo stay on their teams).

Sox72
11-04-2010, 02:29 PM
I don't think he'd win it, but if he keeps playing the way he is, then, yeah, sure. Why couldn't he get top 5?

Perennials in the discussion: Howard, Kobe, Wade and LeBron (might cancel each other out), Durant, Nowitzki.

Those are the ones who I think would beat him even if they had a worse season. Just due to the way voters vote.

sep11ie
11-04-2010, 02:44 PM
Ok

Sactown
11-04-2010, 03:15 PM
He won't, but CP3 will

daleja424
11-04-2010, 03:19 PM
he might be in the dicussion, BUT Gasol, Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Bosh, Rondo, Pierce, KG, etc will not win it b/c they have too much help. the voters are sooo fickle. A guy has to win a ton of game w/o a ton of help to win the award it seems.

going to come down to D12, CP3, Kevin Durant IMO

Avenged
11-04-2010, 03:23 PM
He could, although it's unlikely. He's about in the same situation Pau Gasol is right now, perhaps the best player on the team or most important but won't get it due to the team around them or the superstars they play with.

He'll have to bring his ppg a bit up though, perhaps a +5 at the least.

the_jon
11-04-2010, 03:23 PM
If the hornets make the playoffs I'm going with CP3

Reversed86Curse
11-04-2010, 05:46 PM
The voters like scoring too much to consider him. They undervalue assists and defense

NothingbutWill
11-04-2010, 05:59 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

JordansBulls
11-04-2010, 06:01 PM
Oklahoma has to finish with a good record for Durant to be a top 3 this year. Also I think Gasol may get some well deserved love this year finally.

If the Hornets do well, CP3 will probably be the guy who ends up the MVP. He currently is leading the league in PER and WS.

redsox0717
11-04-2010, 06:02 PM
I think Rondo will only get consideration if he seriously challenges Stockton's assist record. As it stands now, the favorite is probably CP3 because of relative talent level around them.

sargon21
11-04-2010, 06:05 PM
CP3 will not get MVP consideration if his team doesn't win much, which i think will eventually happen... I do think Rondo will get consideration if his team is able to continue to win at a high rate, and w/o his scoring going up, he'd have to continue putting up monster assist games

DieHardCubFan
11-04-2010, 06:06 PM
no

NYKalltheway
11-04-2010, 06:19 PM
Consideration, yes. If he continues at this pace of course

joeboow90
11-04-2010, 06:27 PM
How about we let them play more than 5 games before you start talking about MVP votes. holy **** youre talking about MVP already?

daisuke4cy
11-04-2010, 06:36 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

:facepalm: Mediocre defence???? First team all nba. Finished 2nd in defensive player of the year. Rondos career fg% 48.9 Monta ellis career fg% 47.7. If Rondo can average 13-15 assist per game he should win it.

daisuke4cy
11-04-2010, 06:37 PM
no

Yes!

Sportfan
11-04-2010, 06:38 PM
top 5 ?

let me check.......Durant is a lock for the discussion, so are Wade, Lebron and KObe.

he would also have to fight Dwight for the position,...........

Not really. He does not have enough endorsementes from snickers companys.
Sad but true.
Wade and Lebron cancel each other out.

Corey
11-04-2010, 06:38 PM
He could break the assist record, lead point guards in rebounds, and average 12-15 points.

But no, he doesn't score enough.

Consideration, maybe, but he isn't going to come close to winning.

Sportfan
11-04-2010, 06:39 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.
mediocre defenSe? You can't be serious

sargon21
11-04-2010, 06:48 PM
:facepalm: Mediocre defence???? First team all nba. Finished 2nd in defensive player of the year. Rondos career fg% 48.9 Monta ellis career fg% 47.7. If Rondo can average 13-15 assist per game he should win it.

I feel his defense is overrated and people look at steals and think he must be a great defender, but steals aren't a true indication of a player's defensive skills.

edit: and keep in mind that this is coming from the guy who just said i think he will get some mvp consideration

el_primo_nano
11-04-2010, 06:58 PM
way to early pal. Its only a week into the season!! But he is looking great so far, and i used to hate him!

Fmaranesi
11-04-2010, 07:04 PM
he would have to keep averaging 17 assists a game because 11 points per game is not going to cut it

BuddhaMONK
11-04-2010, 07:05 PM
Simple no, his stats are because of the guys around him if you put him on new jersey in devin harris's place he wouldn't have nearly the stats or the impact he has in Boston, when you surrounded by three future hall of famer's (actually four with shaq) it's easy to look good.

Bruno
11-04-2010, 07:15 PM
He is in the discussion. His passing game is shattering records, what we have seen him do through five games is unprecedented.

69centers
11-04-2010, 07:22 PM
If he breaks Stockton's APG season record, which is 14.5, he should get consideration. Otherwise no, as Stockton never won it.

BuddhaMONK
11-04-2010, 07:27 PM
Honestly if rondo got injured and nate robison took over he'd probably be averaging 12 + assists on that team. Can't wait for KG,Pierce, and allen to retire than we can see the real Rondo.

Kashmir13579
11-04-2010, 07:31 PM
he will if he keeps playing like this. he should win it.

YoungOne
11-04-2010, 07:32 PM
Honestly if rondo got injured and nate robison took over he'd probably be averaging 12 + assists on that team. Can't wait for KG,Pierce, and allen to retire than we can see the real Rondo.

u dont watch any celtics games, right?

avrpatsfan
11-04-2010, 07:35 PM
The only way he wins if he averages 15 assists+ and the Celtics win 50 games.

BillyHoyle35
11-04-2010, 07:41 PM
if he keeps it up definately

RulerSlick
11-04-2010, 07:42 PM
He'll get some consideration for sure if he keeps playing at this rate

Bruno
11-04-2010, 07:49 PM
Honestly if rondo got injured and nate robison took over he'd probably be averaging 12 + assists on that team.

haha, no way dude. Rondo is a freak of nature. He is 6'1 but has a wing-span of 6'9! His physical gifts and IQ make him one of the best passers in the game. Point taken, but Nate is a shooting guard trapped in a 5'7 PGs frame.

Ezio
11-04-2010, 07:55 PM
How about we let them play more than 5 games before you start talking about MVP votes. holy **** youre talking about MVP already?

This. Let's wait till at least half the season goes by. You might never know he could get hurt.

daisuke4cy
11-04-2010, 08:03 PM
I feel his defense is overrated and people look at steals and think he must be a great defender, but steals aren't a true indication of a player's defensive skills.

edit: and keep in mind that this is coming from the guy who just said i think he will get some mvp consideration

I dont think Rondo finished 2nd in dpoy voting because he averaged 2.7 steals a game wich isint all that high for leading the nba. Bottom line he is a great one on one defender at the point guard postion and a great team defender. If Dwight misses 30 games this year and Rondo plays 75 plus Rondo will win defensive player of the year outherwise he will have to settle for second best defender in the nba.

Mc Lovin
11-04-2010, 08:04 PM
As of right now Rondo is the MVP but the season isn't 5 games long.

Bullsfan22
11-04-2010, 08:04 PM
the league and fans overrate steals. Rondo isn't an elite defender he rarely stops anyone,he basically gambles and use his long arms to strip or poke at the ball to get steals. His own coach even had problems with his defense and the way he gambles.

He's an ELITE play maker, an above average rebounder. He has way to many holes in his game at this point.

The guys in the perfect position for his skill-set with an abundance amount of weapons. in most occasions an mvp is a guy that stops runs by not just scoring but willing his teams to W's.

When you're only dominant talent is directly at the mercy of another guy you can't become the mvp.

Yes, the three stars around him are older and on the decline but when you ask future hall of famers to become specialist you get what you see now. (Ray allen spot up shooter, pierce shooter/iso, kg pick and pop/low post every once in awhile) It's like a boss collecting master engineers that work on f22 raptors to be car mechanics, the boss (rondo) will come out smelling like roses because of over qualified workers.

Sportfan
11-04-2010, 08:13 PM
the league and fans overrate steals. Rondo isn't an elite defender he rarely stops anyone,he basically gambles and use his long arms to strip or poke at the ball to get steals. His own coach even had problems with his defense and the way he gambles.

He's an ELITE play maker, an above average rebounder. He has way to many holes in his game at this point.

The guys in the perfect position for his skill-set with an abundance amount of weapons. in most occasions an mvp is a guy that stops runs by not just scoring but willing his teams to W's.

When you're only dominant talent is directly at the mercy of another guy you can't become the mvp.

Yes, the three stars around him are older and on the decline but when you ask future hall of famers to become specialist you get what you see now. (Ray allen spot up shooter, pierce shooter/iso, kg pick and pop/low post every once in awhile) It's like a boss collecting master engineers that work on f22 raptors to be car mechanics, the boss (rondo) will come out smelling like roses because of over qualified workers.
Look up his DRTG and DWS numbers


kthxbai

BuddhaMONK
11-04-2010, 08:23 PM
u dont watch any celtics games, right?

Not every one but I do watch some, and i remember last year nate was getting increased minutes towards the end of the year and he was putting up way better numbers then I would have expected. BTW obviously Rondo is more talented than robinson (i'm not comparing the two). If you find ray allen open it's basically a guarenteed assist that's an huge bonus for a point guard.

John Walls Era
11-04-2010, 08:30 PM
Rondo should get consideration. I can see a legit case for Rondo if his team keeps winning and he keeps putting up these types of assist numbers.

tredigs
11-04-2010, 08:30 PM
If the Celts finish with a respectable season record, could Rondo be a top-5 MVP vote getter?

He is playing out of his mind... I don't expect him to average 17 assists, but if he keeps playing the way he is, I think he could be an MVP candidate

Thoughts?


Week 2? REALLY? Why is this even open right now.

edit: To put it in perspective, some of his competition would be Wilson Chandler, Monta Ellis, John Wall, Dorrel Wright, Pau Gasol and Rudy Gay. What do you say we let them play through December before we start making these predictions, eh fellas?...

Hunter48MVP
11-04-2010, 08:42 PM
Of course, but its hard to imagine Kobe, Durant, or Dwight Howard not winning it instead of Rondo. Rondo is a BEAST!!!!!

koreancabbage
11-04-2010, 08:45 PM
its only been the week and a half.

tredigs
11-04-2010, 08:48 PM
Of course, but its hard to imagine Kobe, Durant, or Dwight Howard not winning it instead of Rondo. Rondo is a BEAST!!!!!

Not to mention the back to back MVP winner or D. Wade, who will both absolutely be in contention while playing on a 55+ win team; thinking that these two are going to "steal each others votes and negate themselves" is ignorant. I am fairly certain they'll both be in the top 5 come years end, and one of them could definitely win it if they find their groove (they, and the team are only going to get better together) and start putting on a show every night.

Seriously, it just annoys me that end of the year awards threads are even open right now. If this is the case, a new "DO U THINK _________ IS NOW THE FRONTRUNNER FER MVP?!" thread is going to emerge every week.

soundjunkies2
11-04-2010, 09:19 PM
Ask again in Jan. or Feb.

JARVIS123
11-04-2010, 09:34 PM
no, if chris paul had the team rondo got he would be rondo +.

Kashmir13579
11-04-2010, 09:36 PM
The voters like scoring too much to consider him. They undervalue assists and defense

This.

Bruno
11-04-2010, 09:36 PM
Not to mention the back to back MVP winner or D. Wade, who will both absolutely be in contention while playing on a 55+ win team; thinking that these two are going to "steal each others votes and negate themselves" is ignorant. I am fairly certain they'll both be in the top 5 come years end, and one of them could definitely win it if they find their groove (they, and the team are only going to get better together) and start putting on a show every night.

Seriously, it just annoys me that end of the year awards threads are even open right now. If this is the case, a new "DO U THINK _________ IS NOW THE FRONTRUNNER FER MVP?!" thread is going to emerge every week.

Agreed with your last point, but NBA.com has always kept track of a top-10 MVP race starting pretty early in the year so I wouldn't expect thread posters to post any differently.

I agree that Wade and James will likely be in the top 5 by years end, but I wouldn't be shocked if one of them didn't finish in the top 5 voting. To say they will "steal eachothers vote and negate themselves" is an exaggeration, but there is no question that both of them is producing less than they were last season, from a statistical point of view.

Wade- through five games- 25.5 PER, WS/48- 0.257 .
James- through five games- 21.1 PER. WS/48- 0.188.

2009-2010- PER 28.0, WS/48- 0.224.
2009-2010- PER 31.1, WS/48-0.299.

If LeBron's statistics stay at this level, it would be hard for him to finish in the top 5 for MVP voting considering Chris Paul has a PER of 33.5 and a WS/48 of 0.394 through five games. Ultimately, it's only five games and all of these statistics will look different in another five games, ect. Which is why I'd agree that its a bit early for this. But the Heat are clicking on all cylinders, they have the 5th place offense and the 1st place defense. James and Wade should just keep doing what theyre doing, statistical drop off or not. They're winning.

eXpLiiCt
11-04-2010, 09:37 PM
Imo this guy is amazing. I remember when he was called a bust, he could never shoot fot **** man would have sucked if they traded him he should be in mvp conversation

Avenged
11-04-2010, 09:41 PM
Imo this guy is amazing. I remember when he was called a bust, he could never shoot fot **** man would have sucked if they traded him he should be in mvp conversation

No doubt.

But he certainly benefited having 3 future HOFers on his team.

Without KG, Pierce, and Allen, it's kind of hard to have imagined him doing what he's doing now. His improvement [outside of Rondo himself because players do need to put in work themselves] is due to the fact that he plays with those 3 players and learned a lot in the process.

iggypop123
11-04-2010, 09:45 PM
If the Celts finish with a respectable season record, could Rondo be a top-5 MVP vote getter?

He is playing out of his mind... I don't expect him to average 17 assists, but if he keeps playing the way he is, I think he could be an MVP candidate

Thoughts?

you just contradicted yourself. when he comes back to earth, he wont have those numbers. the answer is no. i dont think jason kidd ever won an mvp when he did a simlar thing

redsox0717
11-04-2010, 09:48 PM
you just contradicted yourself. when he comes back to earth, he wont have those numbers. the answer is no. i dont think jason kidd ever won an mvp when he did a simlar thing

Go look up what contradiction is. He used the word 'but,' thus he isn't contradicting anything.

_KB24_
11-04-2010, 09:54 PM
Don't come in here to complain. So what if it has been 5 games. These 5 games are the greatest start to a season arguably by a point in a long *** time, the greatest in terms of assists. I'm totally blown away.

Rafer17
11-04-2010, 09:57 PM
Not top 5
But probably top 10

daisuke4cy
11-04-2010, 10:01 PM
No doubt.

But he certainly benefited having 3 future HOFers on his team.

Without KG, Pierce, and Allen, it's kind of hard to have imagined him doing what he's doing now. His improvement [outside of Rondo himself because players do need to put in work themselves] is due to the fact that he plays with those 3 players and learned a lot in the process.

Rondo has also suffered from being on a half court slow pace team. It also dident help having pierce and allen handle the ball the last 3 years if rondo played on a fast pace team with shooters like golden state, Ny, or pheonix he would have put up twice his numbers. The reason his numbers are so high now is he is finally getting his shot to dominate the ball the way paul or williams dose.

Hustlenomics
11-04-2010, 10:13 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

rondo has mediocre defense? you don't even know what you are talking about guy


Simple no, his stats are because of the guys around him if you put him on new jersey in devin harris's place he wouldn't have nearly the stats or the impact he has in Boston, when you surrounded by three future hall of famer's (actually four with shaq) it's easy to look good.
:facepalm::facepalm:


Honestly if rondo got injured and nate robison took over he'd probably be averaging 12 + assists on that team. Can't wait for KG,Pierce, and allen to retire than we can see the real Rondo.

lmao all nate does is look to score he doesn't pass like Rondo


I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

rondo has mediocre defense? you don't even know what you are talking about guy

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 10:16 PM
Wow 5 games and MVP discussion?? lol :facepalm:

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Don't come in here to complain. So what if it has been 5 games. These 5 games are the greatest start to a season arguably by a point in a long *** time, the greatest in terms of assists. I'm totally blown away.

Did John Stockton ever win an MVP??? He had amazing starts in assist almost ever year. He had all those assist and averaged a high assist total for may years.. It's been 5 ****en games.... This is ridiculous :facepalm:

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 10:23 PM
Rondo might not even make top 5 PG

1a.Deron
1b.Paul
3.Rose
4.Nash
5.Westbrook

Avenged
11-04-2010, 10:29 PM
Rondo might not even make top 5 PG

1a.Deron
1b.Paul
3.Rose
4.Nash
5.Westbrook

Rondo is already a top 5 pg.

Hustlenomics
11-04-2010, 10:37 PM
Rondo might not even make top 5 PG

1a.Deron
1b.Paul
3.Rose
4.Nash
5.Westbrook

do you watch basketball? wrong forum guy

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 10:38 PM
Rondo is already a top 5 pg.

When did that happen??? cant shoot. And i mean come on look at his team.. Put Rondo in NO or on another team.. Ray Allen a shooter, Pierce the scorer and KG gets 15 to 20 a game. He doesn't have to do much... Those assist will diminish faster then later. I love Rondo Until he develops a shot and stops being inconsistent with T/O's 4 a game this year. And this is his 1st year over 10. he has a career average of just 7. He wont be top 5 PG

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 10:41 PM
do you watch basketball? wrong forum guy


Yea i do GUY.. a PG is suppose to have high assist and low turnovers GUY.. Like i said he's a good PG not top 5. 1st year gets of to a good start with assist. :facepalm: Lets jump off his nuts please?? No way in hell is he top 5. So how can u consider him MVP this early? :facepalm:

Hustlenomics
11-04-2010, 10:44 PM
Yea i do GUY.. a PG is suppose to have high assist and low turnovers GUY.. Like i said he's a good PG not top 5. 1st year gets of to a good start with assist. :facepalm: Lets jump off his nuts please?? No way in hell is he top 5. So how can u consider him MVP this early? :facepalm:

lmfao not sure if serious

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 11:02 PM
lmfao not sure if serious
After this post man im done saying anything to a HOMER!! U must either be from Boston.. Love Boston.. Love Kentucky or attend there... Or u might have a man crush on him.. No way in hell is he top 5

Uncle Sam
11-04-2010, 11:03 PM
JESUS CHRIMENEY!!! We are a week and a half into the season, learn how to post a quality thread, I sware theres so many pointless threads these days..

Hustlenomics
11-04-2010, 11:06 PM
After this post man im done saying anything to a HOMER!! U must either be from Boston.. Love Boston.. Love Kentucky or attend there... Or u might have a man crush on him.. No way in hell is he top 5

i just can't take you serious note that a laker fan of all people said Rondo is top 5 pg when responding to you

TrueHeatFanHere
11-04-2010, 11:09 PM
Nope

THE_FLASH_21
11-04-2010, 11:35 PM
i just can't take you serious note that a laker fan of all people said Rondo is top 5 pg when responding to you

Ok out of all 5 i named who would he bump off??? Lakers fan?? :confused:

BALLER R
11-04-2010, 11:41 PM
if the celtics win a championship this year i see him getting finals mvp...but im a laker fan so thats a big if :P

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 12:04 AM
anything is possible, but I highly doubt Rondo will ever win an MVP award. Let me state, I don't care much for the award, I don't think it goes to the best player many times, but I just don't think Rondo will ever be looked at as a top 5 player, so I think its out of reach for him

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 12:04 AM
if the celtics win a championship this year i see him getting finals mvp...but im a laker fan so thats a big if :P

I can for sure see Rondo as a finals MVP if the C's win it all.

D1JM
11-05-2010, 12:26 AM
I thought MVP was basically the best offensive player. Well it seems that way

Hustlenomics
11-05-2010, 12:32 AM
Ok out of all 5 i named who would he bump off??? Lakers fan?? :confused:

um try # 3-5

BluejaysFan08
11-05-2010, 12:43 AM
Man this has to be a record of Rondo threads in the first week of the season.

Catoblepas
11-05-2010, 12:49 AM
Rondo will be considered if he can average 13assists and keeps doing what he has been so far.. Honestly i am one of those who thought he was only good because he had so much talent around him..but honestly i believe w/out him the celtics would not be as good.. take out pierce or allen and i think they could manage.. but w/out rondo or KG.. they would probably be a 4th seed

Mplsman
11-05-2010, 12:50 AM
76 games to go...

D1JM
11-05-2010, 12:53 AM
Man this has to be a record of Rondo threads in the first week of the season.

rondo has more threads than rose :speechless:

MickeyMgl
11-05-2010, 01:06 AM
OK, the original post covered all my concerns with this subject. "MVP consideration" to me means "good enough to be on most ballots", which I don't know if they list Top-5 or Top-10. I think he's good enough for that, moreso if it's a Top-10 ballot. I don't think he's the MVP, though, short of the Celtics coming out with the best record.

Blazers#1Fan
11-05-2010, 01:23 AM
if he could stay doing what he's doing and breaks the assist record for the season and scores 15ppg and has 12-17APG he is easily the MVP

steve nash won the MVP with 15 and 11 if rondo gets as i said 15ppg and 12-17 he should be the MVP

i honestly like to watch RONDO more then anybody in the league besides my blazers but Rondo is the player i like to watch he is really bringing the assist back

THE_FLASH_21
11-05-2010, 01:57 AM
um try # 3-5

LOL So Rondo is better then Rose, Nash, Westbrook?? LOL OMG u just made my day. He isn't even better then Tony Parker...:facepalm:

I think its passed ur bed time lol

JARVIS123
11-05-2010, 08:22 AM
Jason Kidd played with ok players when he lead the nets to the finals.no mvp. not to mention CP3 lead the lead in steals and assist with no hall of famers,no mvp.

Mc Lovin
11-05-2010, 08:41 AM
no, if chris paul had the team rondo got he would be rondo +.

LMFAO. That's why when Chris Paul and Rondo go head to head Rondo dominates him every time but Chris Paul is still better? Give me a break

Mc Lovin
11-05-2010, 08:43 AM
LOL So Rondo is better then Rose, Nash, Westbrook?? LOL OMG u just made my day. He isn't even better then Tony Parker...:facepalm:

I think its passed ur bed time lol

:facepalm:

Yes Rondo is better than Rose, Nash, Westbrook, and Parker. Ask any NBA coach who they would rather have and I guarantee 75% would take Rondo over those 4.

TheGoodGerman
11-05-2010, 08:59 AM
I don't know. Hard to tell. Rondo has a ****ing amazing squad around him. Allen, Pierce, Shaq, KG (only to mention a few). It's not THAT hard to get some assists with guys like that around you. But, Rondo plays a hell of ball atm. Let's see if he can keep that up ... and, how much he ALONE contributes to a succesfull season. He has to be good for team effort AND be solid-superb and effective, when it comes to making decisions and bringing up over the top numbers over the year. I think, if, after 82 games you say: Rondo, was the most important player of the Celtics, damn yes, than he SHOULD get his shot at the MVP. But, I doubt, even after a stunning year, the NBA (Stern and Co.) WANT him, to be MVP.

I see Durant, Lebron, Kobe, Wade and even D12 ahead of him. Rondo isn't that type of "Poster-guy" which Durant will be and Kobe, Bron and D12 already are ... unfortunately, it's not only about your ballgame.

Edwin
11-05-2010, 09:46 AM
Have you guys seen what rondo has done in the past? This kid is a monster. Imagine if he had stayed in phoenix and developed with steve nash, I guarantee you phoenix would have made it to the finals and possibly win an nba championship when they had amare.(Imagine what Rondo would have done with Amare). Just stop all those excuses that all his sucess was because he's on a team full of weapons. This kid has talent. He'll probably get mentioned if he keeps up what he's doing.

NBA-GMaster
11-05-2010, 09:52 AM
Yup he's the most deserving current celtics' player to win the MVP among Garnett,Pierce and Allen..

Swashcuff
11-05-2010, 10:04 AM
I am a 76er fan and I say HELL YES!!! Right now he's playing the point as well if not better than Steve Nash ever did in any of his MVP season on a offense which is not as suitable for great PG play. He deserves a nod.

samevans7
11-05-2010, 11:52 AM
not to mention CP3 lead the lead in steals and assist with no hall of famers,no mvp.

um, no he doesnt?



Chris Paul: 9 APG (36 AST in 4 games)
Rajon Rondo: 16.4 APG (82 AST in 5 games) *leads league
John Wall 10.3 APG (31 AST in 3 games)

Chris Paul: 1.75 SPG (7 STL in 4 games)
Rajon Rondo: 2.6 SPG (13 STL in 5 games)
John Wall 4.0 SPG (12 STL in 3 games) *leads league

THE_FLASH_21
11-05-2010, 01:14 PM
LMFAO. That's why when Chris Paul and Rondo go head to head Rondo dominates him every time but Chris Paul is still better? Give me a break


Head to head doesn't mean that much..

THE_FLASH_21
11-05-2010, 01:18 PM
:facepalm:

Yes Rondo is better than Rose, Nash, Westbrook, and Parker. Ask any NBA coach who they would rather have and I guarantee 75% would take Rondo over those 4.


OK Boston Fan!! Keep dreaming... I dont trust him with the ball.. and he cant shoot for ****. All hip points are layups.. high TO, and his career avg is just at 7-8 please stop being a damn homer!!

bagwell368
11-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Rondo will be the Celts MVP. He could creep into the #6-#12 range in the discussion and get like .0046 of the MVP vote, but until he can hit foul shots at say 68%, and stick the outside shot, and go back to his 2008 level of D, simply no.

bagwell368
11-05-2010, 01:52 PM
OK Boston Fan!! Keep dreaming... I dont trust him with the ball.. and he cant shoot for ****. All hip points are layups.. high TO, and his career avg is just at 7-8 please stop being a damn homer!!

career averaage in points is 7-8? Try 10.7, and by year its:

6.4, 10.6, 11.9, 13.7, 11.6

Whoa pal. 21st pick in the 1st round, 24 years old, 1 ring and counting,

led the NBA playoffs 3 years a row in assists, and 2 of 3 years in steals.

7th, 3rd, 8th, 5th the last 4 years in defensive win shares..? You do know that the job of point guard has defense, assists, steals in there - and with some of the great players in league history to pass to, you'd feel better if Rondo shot more???:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

1st in assists this year at 82 - 2nd is 48. 2nd in steals

celticsman2009
11-05-2010, 02:08 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

Rondo Plays Mediocre Defense?:facepalm:

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 02:27 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rondora01&y1=2011&p2=paulch01&y2=2011

despite Rondo's torrid assist numbers to start, you can see Paul is outplaying him statistically fairly easily again.
Rondo's lack of scoring, and turnovers, just kill him guys. The rest of his game is just not enough to pick up the slack in his inefficiencies when comparing to the best. Rondo is a top 5 PG over the past 2 years, and this year, is probably going to end up top 3. But his shooting, and turnovers just hurt him too badly.

Avenged
11-05-2010, 02:34 PM
LOL So Rondo is better then Rose, Nash, Westbrook?? LOL OMG u just made my day. He isn't even better then Tony Parker...:facepalm:

I think its passed ur bed time lol

Rondo is better than Rose, Westbrook, and Parker..

He isn't better than Nash [at least he wasn't last season]


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Nash 2009-10 35 81 2660 21.6 .615 .570 1.5 9.4 5.7 50.9 0.8 0.3 21.4 22.9 121 114 9.1 0.8 9.9 0.178
2 Rajon 2009-10 23 81 2963 19.1 .540 .517 4.3 10.5 7.5 43.7 3.3 0.3 19.3 20.2 111 103 4.9 4.7 9.6 0.156
3 Rose 2009-10 21 78 2871 18.6 .532 .495 2.6 8.7 5.7 30.3 1.0 0.7 12.5 27.2 106 109 3.5 2.5 6.0 0.100
4 Russell 2009-10 21 82 2813 17.8 .491 .428 6.0 10.3 8.2 38.6 2.0 0.9 16.6 25.7 105 106 2.7 3.4 6.1 0.105

What it comes down to is Nash vs. Rondo whether you want to admit it or not. Not to mention Nash is already on the decline while Rondo is emerging and improving each season.

As it goes, it's:
1. CP3
2. Deron
3. Nash
4. Rondo

Southsideheat
11-05-2010, 02:35 PM
shouldn't every player be considered?

DocJayzSpikx
11-05-2010, 02:37 PM
Well he's looked good so far lets just let the season play out.

jiggin
11-05-2010, 02:40 PM
5 games into the season....



....NAH.

northsider
11-05-2010, 02:58 PM
:facepalm:

Yes Rondo is better than Rose, Nash, Westbrook, and Parker. Ask any NBA coach who they would rather have and I guarantee 75% would take Rondo over those 4.

It's a simple question but, how on gods green earth do you know that? Are you friends with 75% of NBA coaches or know them?

To answer the question of the thread I personally doubt it, he is the Celtics MVP thus far but, it is 5 games into the damn season.

Bullsfan22
11-05-2010, 03:05 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=rondora01&y1=2011&p2=paulch01&y2=2011

despite Rondo's torrid assist numbers to start, you can see Paul is outplaying him statistically fairly easily again.
Rondo's lack of scoring, and turnovers, just kill him guys. The rest of his game is just not enough to pick up the slack in his inefficiencies when comparing to the best. Rondo is a top 5 PG over the past 2 years, and this year, is probably going to end up top 3. But his shooting, and turnovers just hurt him too badly.

in detail how would you evaluate Rondo's overall defensive ability?

ewmania
11-05-2010, 03:41 PM
funny because before this season started i was telling people rondo is in the top 5 best players right now... and all they said was "oh his jumpshot" or oh "his free throws"

but ehhh 82 assists with only 5 games??

12 pts, 6 rebounds, 16 assists, and 3 steals a game... whoever says he's not in the top 5 of best players right now obviously doesnt know basketball

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 03:42 PM
in detail how would you evaluate Rondo's overall defensive ability?

statistically its nearly impossible. There just aren't enough metrics out there. However, from my eyes, I think he is a very good on the ball defender, who anticipates well, and uses his long arms to cause uncomfortable passing lanes. I think he benefits greatly from what is behind him, so he knows he can gamble a bit more than many other PG's. He is a solid, not great, defensive rebounder. He closes fairly well, though he does give up a good amount of long open looks because he roams a bit much. But when Rondo puts his mind to it, he can absolutely be a thorn in the side defensively. I don't think he can single handedly shut a player down by himself, but he is a disruptive force in the team defense setting. I don't think his defense is overrated or underrated. He is a top 5 defensive PG in the NBA probably. But the team he has behind him to clean up any mistake he makes would be a dream come true for most the other PG's in the league as well.
2 things I LOVE about his defense
- if there is a loose ball and he is in the area, its his, period
- if you throw a lazy pass, and he is in the area, its his

1 thing I don't like
- Rondo doesn't play very physical for loooong stretches. He relies on his length and speed too much, so he doesn't wear anyone down

ewmania
11-05-2010, 03:47 PM
It's a simple question but, how on gods green earth do you know that? Are you friends with 75% of NBA coaches or know them?

To answer the question of the thread I personally doubt it, he is the Celtics MVP thus far but, it is 5 games into the damn season.

i mean as much as i hate boston he's right

eventho rondo has bad shooting he has a much better mental game than these 4 and has put up more triple doubles. he sets tempo much better than those 4 and he knows when to take shots

him, kobe & duncan are hands down the 3 smartest players in the league right now and rondo is only 24 or 25... and that says alot... i mean love him or hate him give credit when credit is due

Mc Lovin
11-05-2010, 04:01 PM
i mean as much as i hate boston he's right

eventho rondo has bad shooting he has a much better mental game than these 4 and has put up more triple doubles. he sets tempo much better than those 4 and he knows when to take shots

him, kobe & duncan are hands down the 3 smartest players in the league right now and rondo is only 24 or 25... and that says alot... i mean love him or hate him give credit when credit is due

Thank you. Coaches want a PG who can rebound, play great defense, and distribute the ball. You don't need your PG to score 25 points a night. That's not what coaches want. They want the PG to dish dimes and play D.

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 04:02 PM
Thank you. Coaches want a PG who can rebound, play great defense, and distribute the ball. You don't need your PG to score 25 points a night. That's not what coaches want. They want the PG to dish dimes and play D.

would you then agree that if Paul or Deron were on the C's, they wouldn't score as much and their assists would rise? I do think Rondo is in the perfect system. Put him in NO, where he doesnt have scorers, and his coach does indeed ask him to score. What happens then?

godolphins
11-05-2010, 04:04 PM
No he should not

ewmania
11-05-2010, 04:10 PM
would you then agree that if Paul or Deron were on the C's, they wouldn't score as much and their assists would rise? I do think Rondo is in the perfect system. Put him in NO, where he doesnt have scorers, and his coach does indeed ask him to score. What happens then?

well nash is in a run and gun system and he doesnt average as much as points as Deron and CP3... so ehhhhhhhhh lol

Point blank period rondo is a great point guard which makes him a great player. maybe if he was SG he wouldnt be... Maybe if Jordan was a Center he would suck, Maybe if Charles Barkley was a SF he would suck maybe if Bill Russell played Point he would suck

but point blank they all played they position greatly so therefor they were all great players... Lol people would go to the end of the earth before they give a man credit... he's playing the PG position beautifully, defense, rebounding, tempo, passing, getting open looks for teammates, finding allen, getting easy buckets for garnett he's handling things with perfection

EDIT: and why would a coach sign rondo and he want him to score lol... if a team was smart they would put him around shooters... thats like a team signing jordan and expecting him to defend the Big Man in the post Lmao. no bulls put jordan around a bunch of rebounders cause idk maybe thats the smart thing to do lol

Hawkeye15
11-05-2010, 04:16 PM
well nash is in a run and gun system and he doesnt average as much as points as Deron and CP3... so ehhhhhhhhh lol

Point blank period rondo is a great point guard which makes him a great player. maybe if he was SG he wouldnt be... Maybe if Jordan was a Center he would suck, Maybe if Charles Barkley was a SF he would suck maybe if Bill Russell played Point he would suck

but point blank they all played they position greatly so therefor they were all great players... Lol people would go to the end of the earth before they give a man credit... he's playing the PG position beautifully, defense, rebounding, tempo, passing, getting open looks for teammates, finding allen, getting easy buckets for garnett he's handling things with perfection

EDIT: and why would a coach sign rondo and he want him to score lol... if a team was smart they would put him around shooters... thats like a team signing jordan and expecting him to defend the Big Man in the post Lmao. no bulls put jordan around a bunch of rebounders cause idk maybe thats the smart thing to do lol

what is your point?

and exactly. Rondo has limits that a couple other PG's don't have. Any coach can figure out how to use Paul or Deron, and even Nash from a year ago, despite the surroundings. If a team doesn't have scorers and shot makers, Rondo becomes far less effective now.
That being said, any coach would love to have Rondo, and then hope his GM can find him a couple suitable scorers. Guys like Rondo don't come along everyday

Hustlenomics
11-05-2010, 04:26 PM
well nash is in a run and gun system and he doesnt average as much as points as Deron and CP3... so ehhhhhhhhh lol

Point blank period rondo is a great point guard which makes him a great player. maybe if he was SG he wouldnt be... Maybe if Jordan was a Center he would suck, Maybe if Charles Barkley was a SF he would suck maybe if Bill Russell played Point he would suck

but point blank they all played they position greatly so therefor they were all great players... Lol people would go to the end of the earth before they give a man credit... he's playing the PG position beautifully, defense, rebounding, tempo, passing, getting open looks for teammates, finding allen, getting easy buckets for garnett he's handling things with perfection

EDIT: and why would a coach sign rondo and he want him to score lol... if a team was smart they would put him around shooters... thats like a team signing jordan and expecting him to defend the Big Man in the post Lmao. no bulls put jordan around a bunch of rebounders cause idk maybe thats the smart thing to do lol

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

ewmania
11-05-2010, 04:30 PM
what is your point?

and exactly. Rondo has limits that a couple other PG's don't have. Any coach can figure out how to use Paul or Deron, and even Nash from a year ago, despite the surroundings. If a team doesn't have scorers and shot makers, Rondo becomes far less effective now.
That being said, any coach would love to have Rondo, and then hope his GM can find him a couple suitable scorers. Guys like Rondo don't come along everyday

your right but if jordan didnt have solid rebounders you think coaches would allow him to take as much shots. guys like Horace, rodman, etc was there to pick up his attempts

before bynum stepped up or paul came lakers lacked rebounders. now that there's tons of rebounders on that team kobe is able to take 1,000 shots and not have it effect the games outcome, because paul or odom will be there to put it back inside

its plenty of SGs that can play 2 positions, plenty of SGs with size advantages and can play in the low post... are they better than kobe?? no because he's a flat out better SG than any of them. he has the skills of a true SG and he plays that position better than any player in the league

same with rondo, plenty of PGs who shoot better and have size advantage... but everything you need to be a pure Point, he takes that advantage over every other PG hands down, which makes him a great player

bklynny67
11-05-2010, 04:55 PM
if you take away Rondo, the Celts still would be a respectable playoff team. they would still have Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Shaq, J O'Neil.... still several very good players.. therefore Rondo is not the MOST VALUABLE. if u take away DHoward or Durant from there teams, it would be much more devestating... same with Lebron the last 2 yrs. if he wasnt on CLE, they dont make the playoffs, let alone the NBA finals...

Rondo is a very good player, but not the most valuable in the NBA. he can be replaced by another PG who can also score 10 ppg and maybe get around 6 or 7 assists per game, and the Celts would still be great. the other guys i mentioned cant be replaced on their team and still be a great team.

Jewelz0376
11-05-2010, 05:00 PM
if you take away Rondo, the Celts still would be a respectable playoff team. they would still have Pierce, Garnett, Allen, Shaq, J O'Neil.... still several very good players.. therefore Rondo is not the MOST VALUABLE. if u take away DHoward or Durant from there teams, it would be much more devestating... same with Lebron the last 2 yrs. if he wasnt on CLE, they dont make the playoffs, let alone the NBA finals...

Rondo is a very good player, but not the most valuable in the NBA. he can be replaced by another PG who can also score 10 ppg and maybe get around 6 or 7 assists per game, and the Celts would still be great. the other guys i mentioned cant be replaced on their team and still be a great team.

I def disagree with this... Sure they would probably be a playoff team, but they def would not be a great team (title contender) with Kg and Ray at this point in their careers...The year they won the title Rondo was basically the pg you described, but KG is def not at that same level anymore...

I could maybe see Rondo finishing above dwight and either wade or lebron (only 1 of them) for mvp if he continues to dominate the rest of the year and Bos finishes with a top 3 overall record...Make no mistake about it if Rondo can at some point develop a consistent jumper not even a 3 point shot just a good mid range he will be the best pg in the league

dc5jdm
11-05-2010, 05:03 PM
Of course rondo is an mvp candidate and im not a boston fan.. the guy is a beast, his team is one of the top heavyweights in the east. Hes their best player. that team goes as rondo goes..

StevenU2009
11-05-2010, 05:33 PM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.
YES, Rondo should-and will-get MVP consideration and votes. He probably will not win because point guards almost never do. His shooting is not that bad, his defense is excellent, and right now strictly based on running a team he may be the best.
I think the better question right now is who is the best PG and is it Rondo?
I'd say:
1. CP3
2. Deron Williams
3. Rondo
4. Rose
5 Nash
6 Westbrook

vict1019
11-05-2010, 05:54 PM
MVP award should be moved and be awarded after 1 week of play. Does everyone agree?

Mc Lovin
11-05-2010, 06:28 PM
would you then agree that if Paul or Deron were on the C's, they wouldn't score as much and their assists would rise? I do think Rondo is in the perfect system. Put him in NO, where he doesnt have scorers, and his coach does indeed ask him to score. What happens then?

What happens then is he scores probably 18 points a night and still has the same amount of dimes and boards and still plays great defense. That's what happens.

smith&wesson
11-05-2010, 06:48 PM
dude i can pass to pierce and allen for assits all day too.

plus rondo is known to be a knuckle head.


reggie evans is averaging 16 rebounds a game. that doesnt make him a candidate either.

rondo's good, but the players around him make him look better imo.

bradyoverrated
11-05-2010, 06:52 PM
he's playing the position of pg as well as anyone has in over a decade, and SHOULD be in consideration. unfortunately, ppg is far more important to voters than assists, steals, rebounds, and turnover ratio.

bradyoverrated
11-05-2010, 06:58 PM
dude i can pass to pierce and allen for assits all day too.

plus rondo is known to be a knuckle head.


reggie evans is averaging 16 rebounds a game. that doesnt make him a candidate either.

rondo's good, but the players around him make him look better imo.



reggie evans is a 30 year old player that has probably peaked, thus making his rebound totals a factor of a small sampling (4 or 5 games). whereas rondo has significantly improved his pg abilities every year he has played, and is only 24.

furthermore, when pierce, garnett, or allen have been out of the lineup, i think you'll find rondo's stats have IMPROVED.

THE MTL
11-05-2010, 07:19 PM
He could be, but Celts have too MUCH talent. Rondo still cives guys creates plays and gives guys easiest shots of their careers, but I figure other PG's such as Nash, Paul, and Kidd could be averaging just as much assists with that kind of talent level surrounding them.

tcav701
11-05-2010, 08:02 PM
dude i can pass to pierce and allen for assits all day too.

plus rondo is known to be a knuckle head.


reggie evans is averaging 16 rebounds a game. that doesnt make him a candidate either.

rondo's good, but the players around him make him look better imo.

I really disagree with the Big 3 "making Rondo's assists"

Rondo assists on 70 % of KGs FGs

54% of Pierce's FGs

52% or Ray Ray's FGs

That tells me its Rondo getting these guys good looks and he is extending their careers in doing so

northsider
11-05-2010, 08:06 PM
I really disagree with the Big 3 "making Rondo's assists"

Rondo assists on 70 % of KGs FGs

54% of Pierce's FGs

52% or Ray Ray's FGs

That tells me its Rondo getting these guys good looks and he is extending their careers in doing so

Rondo does a great job of getting these guys the ball but, and these guys do a great job of doing something with it. They compliment each other very well almost perfect but, to actually think it doesn't help to have that lineup around you is ridiculous cause before Rondo was a thought these guys were putting numbers up.

tcav701
11-05-2010, 08:10 PM
Rondo does a great job of getting these guys the ball but, and these guys do a great job of doing something with it. They compliment each other very well almost perfect but, to actually think it doesn't help to have that lineup around you is ridiculous cause before Rondo was a thought these guys were putting numbers up.

I agree with you somewhat becaue chemitry is a huge factor but what I am saying is these guys depend on Rondo to create more than half their "good" shots and almost 3/4 of kgs good looks.

That cant be denied my friend.

If KG, PP, Ray and Big Baby are the wheels, Rondo is the motor.

bradyoverrated
11-05-2010, 08:22 PM
Rondo might not even make top 5 PG

1a.Deron
1b.Paul
3.Rose
4.Nash
5.Westbrook


thats horse crap. the only real discussion is between paul, nash, and rondo.

smith&wesson
11-05-2010, 08:38 PM
I really disagree with the Big 3 "making Rondo's assists"

Rondo assists on 70 % of KGs FGs

54% of Pierce's FGs

52% or Ray Ray's FGs

That tells me its Rondo getting these guys good looks and he is extending their careers in doing so


dude you just proved my point lol

All those stats prove is that his assists are coming from those three players scoring the ball.

if his assists were coming from feeding perkins, or daniels, or someone who is less of a finisher then the big three then i would agree with you.

look at nash. his assists are nothing in comparison to last year when he was playing with amare.

im not saying rondo is not good. im saying assists and steals are his game but there are players like chris paul who are undefeated and do more then just those two things really well and with less talent on theyre teams.

rondo is outstanding to watch. very athletic, lightning quick, makes great plays. im not trying to take credit away from the kid he is a great player.

i just think that in mvp voting it will go to someone who has less help on his team and still finds a way to make his team successfull.

with players of that caliber on your team its hard to give all the credit to rondo.

smith&wesson
11-05-2010, 08:41 PM
reggie evans is a 30 year old player that has probably peaked, thus making his rebound totals a factor of a small sampling (4 or 5 games). whereas rondo has significantly improved his pg abilities every year he has played, and is only 24.

furthermore, when pierce, garnett, or allen have been out of the lineup, i think you'll find rondo's stats have IMPROVED.

not making a case for reggie evans being an mvp. im saying stringing 3-4 games together of great stats doesnt win you an mvp award.

and age has nothing to do with the voting either. how old was MJ when recieving his final mvp award ? how old was nash when recieving back to back mvp awards ?

age has nothing to do with it.

tcav701
11-05-2010, 08:43 PM
dude you just proved my point lol

All those stats prove is that his assists are coming from those three players scoring the ball.

if his assists were coming from feeding perkins, or daniels, or someone who is less of a finisher then the big three then i would agree with you.

look at nash. his assists are nothing in comparison to last year when he was playing with amare.

im not saying rondo is not good. im saying assists and steals are his game but there are players like chris paul who are undefeated and do more then just those two things really well and with less talent on theyre teams.

rondo is outstanding to watch. very athletic, lightning quick, makes great plays. im not trying to take credit away from the kid he is a great player.

i just think that in mvp voting it will go to someone who has less help on his team and still finds a way to make his team successfull.

with players of that caliber on your team its hard to give all the credit to rondo.

He assists on over half of Big Baby's FGs as well.

The big 3 and big baby are shooting a higher percentage when fed by Rondo.

I find it absurd you are giving for credit to three players way past their prime, two of which cannot create their own shot for the 5 game assist RECORD.

Revolu7i9n
11-05-2010, 08:45 PM
gonna give this a no.

Hawkeye15
11-06-2010, 02:23 PM
What happens then is he scores probably 18 points a night and still has the same amount of dimes and boards and still plays great defense. That's what happens.

if Rondo were forced to score, his pathetic scoring efficiency would fall off a cliff, and it would end up hurting his team. PPG are not nearly as important as how you get them, and the effect it has on your team

thekmp211
11-06-2010, 03:48 PM
dude i can pass to pierce and allen for assits all day too.

plus rondo is known to be a knuckle head.


reggie evans is averaging 16 rebounds a game. that doesnt make him a candidate either.

rondo's good, but the players around him make him look better imo.

i'm sorry but i'm so sick of this explanation. ray allen can thank rajon rondo for his continued success and new contract. pierce is and always will be an isolation player.

i absolutely agree that having quality teammates can help a guy rack up assists. But this is Rondo's fourth season with the same teammates and he has never played like this before. Rose couldn't run the C's like Rondo does.

But, then again, Rondo couldn't carry the Bulls like Rose has. It's relative. If I have the cake and need the icing, Rondo's my guy. If I need to make the cake from scratch, gimmie Rose.

HakeemTheDream
11-06-2010, 04:10 PM
Celtics have great defense but their only problem is offense so I think Rose in Rondo's place would make that team better, and look at how he's getting 10apg so it's not like he can't pass and he's doing it without the help of 3 HOFers

checkit
11-06-2010, 07:54 PM
i'm sorry but i'm so sick of this explanation. ray allen can thank rajon rondo for his continued success and new contract. pierce is and always will be an isolation player.

i absolutely agree that having quality teammates can help a guy rack up assists. But this is Rondo's fourth season with the same teammates and he has never played like this before. Rose couldn't run the C's like Rondo does.

But, then again, Rondo couldn't carry the Bulls like Rose has. It's relative. If I have the cake and need the icing, Rondo's my guy. If I need to make the cake from scratch, gimmie Rose.

This

Hustlenomics
11-06-2010, 08:44 PM
Celtics have great defense but their only problem is offense so I think Rose in Rondo's place would make that team better, and look at how he's getting 10apg so it's not like he can't pass and he's doing it without the help of 3 HOFers

:facepalm::facepalm:

Missing56&33
11-06-2010, 09:17 PM
If the Celts finish with a respectable season record, could Rondo be a top-5 MVP vote getter?

He is playing out of his mind... I don't expect him to average 17 assists, but if he keeps playing the way he is, I think he could be an MVP candidate

Thoughts?

agreed!

bklynny67
11-07-2010, 12:53 AM
thats horse crap. the only real discussion is between paul, nash, and rondo.

LOL this guy doesnt think Deron is a top 3 PG

Deron/Paul
Rose
Rondo

Rondo is getting those assists cuz of the guys on his team. Deron and Paul are getting 10+ assists with lesser players. they would do the same or better on the Celtics. Rondo is good, but he's a product of his great teammates and great shooters.

cowboysceltics
11-07-2010, 01:14 AM
I don't think so. Rondo is great in assist and steals but he can't shoot at all and plays mediocre defense. An MVP should be good in all categories of the game and plus the fact that he's on a team with so many all-stars, that already overshadows him to even be considered.

You can question his shooting but not his defence.

D1JM
11-07-2010, 01:30 AM
hmmm cp3 nor deron have been mvps. Rondo has to be like four feet away or do a layup to get a basket. All he can do is play defense and get assist.

sargon21
11-07-2010, 01:31 AM
Is this the year Nash falls off?

hugepatsfan
11-07-2010, 01:35 AM
The way he's playing right now, sure he should get some votes. But not first place votes. CP3 is playing better right now. Rondo will probably be top 10 this year in MVP voting.

PatsSoxKnicks
11-07-2010, 02:13 AM
Rondo's in a great system with some great teammates. CP3 is a system (different coaches, different systems, still producing at the same high level).

JiffyMix88
11-07-2010, 02:20 AM
for what not being able to hit open jump shots so you pass to great players who can knock down jumpshots... F NO! only figures a damn celtic fan would start this bs

sargon21
11-07-2010, 02:43 AM
Rondo's in a great system with some great teammates. CP3 is a system (different coaches, different systems, still producing at the same high level).

Great statement. Thus far the same could be said about Rose, just saying.

abe_froman
11-07-2010, 03:23 AM
yeah,why not?

Mc Lovin
11-07-2010, 08:50 PM
Where's the guy who said Westbrook is better than Rondo? Turn the game on now. Rondo is picking his pocket left and right and burning him badly.

llemon
11-07-2010, 09:11 PM
We should have a better idea whether Rondo deserves MVP consideration by the end of the season.

Still a WHOLE LOTTA season to go.

Bishnoff
11-07-2010, 09:15 PM
Definitely. He's killing it at the moment.

saintdrew
11-07-2010, 09:23 PM
See, the MVP award in all sports is so erroneous and askew that we don't know who should really get the award.

I mean it's the most VALUABLE player. That's where everyone is wrong, players don't deserve because they have the best statistics.

Honestly, can some of you name players that are the most valuable to their teams?

I definitely think Rondo is fairly valuable to the Celtics but maybe it's because he's surrounded by 3 smart veteran players.

Right now, players who are the most important to their team success(in no order):

Lakers- Kobe & Pau Gasol: Kobe needs Pau/Pau needs Kobe, two-way street.
Hornets- Chris Paul
Jazz- Deron Williams
Suns- Steve Nash
Spurs- Tim Duncan

Someone made a good post about Kevin Durant. Although he's a great player, just because he had a great summer in the watered down World Championships doesn't mean we should already award him the MVP. He has some good young players around him also - Russell Westbrook & Jeff Green.

I just don't like it when people think players should win the award just because they are putting up great stats every night.

Put it this way: Does Alabama perform poorly last season without Mark Ingram? They probably lose to Florida in SEC Championship, but what kind of success do you think Stanford, Florida, or Texas would have had without Toby Gerhart, Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy?

You can't base these awards on stats solely. Just not right.

saintdrew
11-07-2010, 09:24 PM
Rondo does deserve consideration, but it should be because of leadership other variables. Not because he's putting up over 10 assists a night.

Ovratd1up
11-07-2010, 09:43 PM
See, the MVP award in all sports is so erroneous and askew that we don't know who should really get the award.

I mean it's the most VALUABLE player. That's where everyone is wrong, players don't deserve because they have the best statistics.

Honestly, can some of you name players that are the most valuable to their teams?

I definitely think Rondo is fairly valuable to the Celtics but maybe it's because he's surrounded by 3 smart veteran players.

Right now, players who are the most important to their team success(in no order):

Lakers- Kobe & Pau Gasol: Kobe needs Pau/Pau needs Kobe, two-way street.
Hornets- Chris Paul
Jazz- Deron Williams
Suns- Steve Nash
Spurs- Tim Duncan

Someone made a good post about Kevin Durant. Although he's a great player, just because he had a great summer in the watered down World Championships doesn't mean we should already award him the MVP. He has some good young players around him also - Russell Westbrook & Jeff Green.

I just don't like it when people think players should win the award just because they are putting up great stats every night.

Put it this way: Does Alabama perform poorly last season without Mark Ingram? They probably lose to Florida in SEC Championship, but what kind of success do you think Stanford, Florida, or Texas would have had without Toby Gerhart, Tim Tebow, Colt McCoy?

You can't base these awards on stats solely. Just not right.

I agree to a large extent, but you are missing some. Dwight Howard is as important to his team as anyone in the league. Dirk is pretty valuable to his Mavs, and Lebron and Wade aren't all of a sudden not valuable because they play together, Lebron still has about as much impact as anyone in the league on most nights. And the Thunder would be no where without Durant.

But you said something I've been saying for a while, and that is that the MVP should go to whoever is most valuable to their team's success until Stern changes the name.

saintdrew
11-07-2010, 10:04 PM
I agree to a large extent, but you are missing some. Dwight Howard is as important to his team as anyone in the league. Dirk is pretty valuable to his Mavs, and Lebron and Wade aren't all of a sudden not valuable because they play together, Lebron still has about as much impact as anyone in the league on most nights. And the Thunder would be no where without Durant.

But you said something I've been saying for a while, and that is that the MVP should go to whoever is most valuable to their team's success until Stern changes the name.

Yeah... forgot about Dwight. That team wouldn't have any success without him. I still believe Center is the most important position in basketball.

Kobe Bryant = Pau Gasol.

I've always asked that question. If the Lakers do NOT trade for Pau Gasol, do the Lakers advance to the Finals that season? And have the success of the past 4 years? I don't think so.

I still Jordan was the only one who could really put the team on his back and win.

sargon21
11-07-2010, 10:30 PM
Where's the guy who said Westbrook is better than Rondo? Turn the game on now. Rondo is picking his pocket left and right and burning him badly.

Rondo played stellar defense tonight.

magichatnumber9
11-07-2010, 10:48 PM
Rondo played stellar defense tonight.Dudes got plantar fasciitis, and is still balling hard. love Rondo man

bklynny67
11-09-2010, 02:18 AM
he should get consideration.... but he wont and shouldnt win it

Raph12
11-09-2010, 02:34 AM
I think it will be between Dwight, CP3 and Durant IMO, hopefully Dwight gets it, he's beasting this year.

John Walls Era
11-09-2010, 02:35 AM
If theres anyone I want to see get it, its him then KD.

Ace33Bone
11-09-2010, 10:31 AM
I think that Rondo's name should be thrown around in the MVP discussion because now LBJ and Wade have cancelled one another out of the voting... With the way things are going right now this would be my top 5 (and no i am not a Kobe fan so let's not take it to that)

1. Kobe
2. Dwight Howard
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Rajon Rondo

and I think that you can throw Pau into that mix as well, but at the end of the day I think it will come down to Kobe, Dwight and KD for MVP

pebloemer
11-09-2010, 11:14 AM
I think that Rondo's name should be thrown around in the MVP discussion because now LBJ and Wade have cancelled one another out of the voting... With the way things are going right now this would be my top 5 (and no i am not a Kobe fan so let's not take it to that)

1. Kobe2. Dwight Howard
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Rajon Rondo

and I think that you can throw Pau into that mix as well, but at the end of the day I think it will come down to Kobe, Dwight and KD for MVP

How can LeBron and Wade cancel each other out, but Pau and Kobe don't? I fail to understand your logic.

With the way NO is playing, right now I'd put Paul, then Dwight, then KD. Rondo is in the early discussion though.

John Walls Era
11-09-2010, 11:21 AM
I think that Rondo's name should be thrown around in the MVP discussion because now LBJ and Wade have cancelled one another out of the voting... With the way things are going right now this would be my top 5 (and no i am not a Kobe fan so let's not take it to that)

1. Kobe
2. Dwight Howard
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Rajon Rondo

and I think that you can throw Pau into that mix as well, but at the end of the day I think it will come down to Kobe, Dwight and KD for MVP

Cancel each other out? Is there some kind of math equation you found?

AntiG
11-09-2010, 11:53 AM
he certainly deserves consideration, but doubt it would happen.

Dnovakovic099
11-09-2010, 12:23 PM
Didn't anyone watch the Bulls vs. Celtics? The Bulls nearly won the game and Derrick Rose was double teamed at the end of the game. Literally double teamed! Kg left his man, Taj Gibson, and played on Rose. So how can you tell me that you would rather have Rondo over Rose? You would rather have a guy who plays better defense and averages 11 15 or 24 10? I can see how you would rather have the 11 and 15 on the current Celtics roster, but every other team in the NBA? The main point here is that Rondo is a very good piece, if not the best piece, to a great system created in Boston. While the likes of Rose CP3 and Deron are stars because they can play in any system. No doubt Rondo is better for Celtics than Rose, but Rose would be much closer to Rondo's numbers as a Celtic than Rondo would be to Rose's numbers as a Bull.

Finally, who here thinks the Celtics aren't a top five team in the East if you take out Rondo? Now who here thinks the Magic aren't a top five team when you take out Dwight, or the Bulls when you take out Rose, or Atlanta when you take out Joe Johnson? So how can you say Rondo is more valuable than those three players, if those three players mean more to their teams success?

tcav701
11-09-2010, 12:44 PM
Didn't anyone watch the Bulls vs. Celtics? The Bulls nearly won the game and Derrick Rose was double teamed at the end of the game. Literally double teamed! Kg left his man, Taj Gibson, and played on Rose. So how can you tell me that you would rather have Rondo over Rose? You would rather have a guy who plays better defense and averages 11 15 or 24 10? I can see how you would rather have the 11 and 15 on the current Celtics roster, but every other team in the NBA? The main point here is that Rondo is a very good piece, if not the best piece, to a great system created in Boston. While the likes of Rose CP3 and Deron are stars because they can play in any system. No doubt Rondo is better for Celtics than Rose, but Rose would be much closer to Rondo's numbers as a Celtic than Rondo would be to Rose's numbers as a Bull.

Finally, who here thinks the Celtics aren't a top five team in the East if you take out Rondo? Now who here thinks the Magic aren't a top five team when you take out Dwight, or the Bulls when you take out Rose, or Atlanta when you take out Joe Johnson? So how can you say Rondo is more valuable than those three players, if those three players mean more to their teams success?

Rose gets double teamed because he'll shoot it anyways.

Look at Rose's numbers again INCLUDING SHOTS PER GAME and think about this post.

24 ppg is NOT impressive when you take 21 shots.

But though I am Rondo's biggest fan for me it goes:

1. Dwight
2. CP3
3. Pau
4a. Kobe
4b. Rondo

camador22
11-09-2010, 02:15 PM
Best players so far

1. CP3
2. Gasol
3. Rondo
4. Wade
5. Howard

colinskik
11-09-2010, 04:41 PM
YES, Rondo should-and will-get MVP consideration and votes. He probably will not win because point guards almost never do. His shooting is not that bad, his defense is excellent, and right now strictly based on running a team he may be the best.
I think the better question right now is who is the best PG and is it Rondo?
I'd say:
1. CP3
2. Deron Williams
3. Rondo
4. Rose
5 Nash
6 Westbrook
PGs don't tend to win the MVP? I think that guy who is #5 on your list might have won that award once or twice...

Dnovakovic099
11-09-2010, 05:31 PM
Rose gets double teamed because he'll shoot it anyways.

Clearly you have not watched any of the Bulls games, or the Bulls Celtics game.

Look at Rose's numbers again INCLUDING SHOTS PER GAME and think about this post.

24 ppg is NOT impressive when you take 21 shots.

This is true, but if Rondo was told to put a team on his back and score while he was getting double teamed he would have to take a hundred shots to get that many points because he cannot shoot for ****, and don't tell me his drive is good enough to score over double teams like Rose's.

But though I am Rondo's biggest fan for me it goes:

1. Dwight
2. CP3
3. Pau
4a. Kobe
4b. Rondo

Rondo = Kobe in MVP voting. So you are telling me the Celtics lose as much as the Lakers do if you take Kobe and Rondo out? :facepalm:

Mile High Champ
11-09-2010, 05:33 PM
Little early for MVP thread is it not? I can't stand it when people are already proclaiming one team to win the NBA title or even a player to win MVP based solely on a few games.

DitchDat
11-14-2010, 06:21 AM
Ten games in, and he already had 9 double-digit assist outings, including a career-high 24.... He is playing big minutes, getting everybody involved, playing airtight defense and helpin the Celtics win (8-2) so far. I'm not saying he should win it, but his outstanding play should at least deserve some consideration in the MVP race. All I'm saying.