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Hellcrooner
10-29-2010, 01:22 PM
-Eliminate the 500000 Dollars limit for buyouts So teams can take their euro Draftees right away instead of having to wait.

-Eliminate the MLE, BLE and every single exception except for Career ending Injury and Bird Rights.

- Give ALL teh Expiring players t right to BAN being traded wihtouth COnsent ( to avoid salary Dump trades)

_ DOnt Allow Players that have been traded to Rejoin their Former team for a period of 12 months Not via trade nor waiving nor buyouting ( to avoid Cutbacks).

- Make the Cap Hold Higher and Wehenever a team is in June Under 50% of the Cap that their CAP Hold is 80% of the Salary Cap to AVOID further THreesomes.

- Raise The age limit to Join teh league to 21 Years so:
a) Usa players have to be 3 years at Nccaa or go to europe.
B ) International players dont bust because of joining the league Too young.

-Share ALL THE MONEY MADE IN THE LEAGUE ( tickets, merchandising, tv rights EVERYTHING) in EQUAL parts among all teams ( obviusly if a team is losing money the own owners will force the foldings and or Relocations

-Allow teams to have as many jerseys as they want instead of limiting it to three.

- Tighen up off the court behaviour and dressing codes..

- tighen up and multiply DOping tests make the list of forbiden products longer and harden the sanctions.

jimbobjarree
10-29-2010, 01:42 PM
i think the most important is getting rid of the MLE, or making it dramatically less money

godolphins
10-29-2010, 01:55 PM
Get rid of the cap :D

ttam68
10-29-2010, 01:56 PM
Some decent ideas:


-Eliminate the 500,000 Dollars limit for buyouts So teams can take their euro Draftees right away instead of having to wait.
Agree

-Eliminate the MLE, BLE and every single exception except for Career ending Injury and Bird Rights.
Agree

- Give ALL teh Expiring players t right to BAN being traded wihtouth COnsent ( to avoid salary Dump trades)
Disagree. I like the current system where you have to be with the same team a number of years to earn the no-trade clause. Or, re-instate the rules from 10 years ago.

_ DOnt Allow Players that have been traded to Rejoin their Former team for a period of 12 months Not via trade nor waiving nor buyouting ( to avoid Cutbacks).
Agree

- Make the Cap Hold Higher and Wehenever a team is in June Under 50% of the Cap that their CAP Hold is 80% of the Salary Cap to AVOID further THreesomes.
That wouldn't work. How do you fill a roster when you have an 80% cap hold? Interesting idea, but you really can't prevent what the Heat did. And theres not really any reason to. You could limit max contracts (wouldn't affect them), or limit deals over $15 mil or so (they'd just accept just below the line).

- Raise The age limit to Join teh league to 21 Years so:
a) Usa players have to be 3 years at Nccaa or go to europe.
B ) International players dont bust because of joining the league Too young.
Disagree. The NBA is a professional league and college is college. You can't chase a 19 yr old to Europe or force him to go to college. If you don't want him at that age, don't draft him. Players have every right to try to make the league.

-Share ALL THE MONEY MADE IN THE LEAGUE ( tickets, merchandising, tv rights EVERYTHING) in EQUAL parts among all teams ( obviusly if a team is losing money the own owners will force the foldings and or Relocations
Disagree. It takes away the free market aspect of business. Some teams are run well on the court and off, leading to profits, notoriety, etc, and others are run terribly. Jerry Buss shouldn't be paying Donald Sterling for being an idiot.

-Allow teams to have as many jerseys as they want instead of limiting it to three.
Whatever

- Tighen up off the court behaviour and dressing codes..
Really? Wow. Guys wear suits wtf do you want? As for off the court behavior, we could learn something from the NFL of late.

- tighen up and multiply DOping tests make the list of forbiden products longer and harden the sanctions.I think the league could benefit from more frequent leisure drug tests, but as for adding to forbidden products, its unnecessary.

I'd add:

- Limit guaranteed contracts to 50% of the total deal. Would give players sure money in case of injuries, but also teams the incentive and the power to cut guys that aren't good anymore or simply don't try. Now, players have no real incentive to get themselves back into shape when they're in year 2 of a 5 yr $100 million contract.

- Some type of hard cap. Off the top of my head: Hard salary cap at $20 million more than the soft cap. Would limit the degree to which you maneuver around the limits without completely changing the system.

JPHX
10-29-2010, 02:45 PM
Hard cap baby. lets see the teams who insist on buying championships, compete on a level playing field.

Raoul Duke
10-29-2010, 03:19 PM
I would like to see a hard cap, non-guaranteed contracts, a decrease in overall pay for players by at least 25% accross the board, and maybe even a "franchise tag" type deal like they have in the NFL.

I also want to see owners drop prices on everything significantly so that things like merch and tickets are affordable again for the average fan. If that isn't happening then I hope the players try and bone the owners as hard and deep as they possibly can.

I'd also like to see them drop the age limit and let 18 yr olds enter the draft out of high school again. I don't see how the "rent a player for a year" program is fair to kids that actually go to school for acedemics.

sep11ie
10-29-2010, 03:33 PM
The sharing all money is Socialism.

Cavs had like 45 jerseys they wore last year.

I like getting rid of T.E.'s, M.L.E.'s, and B.L.E.'s. That was invented by rich/successful teams to keep them winning.

Who gives a **** what age someone is when they join. Stay in Europe if ya can't play in the NBA.

How can you tell players how to dress in the off season/ free time?

Hellcrooner
10-29-2010, 03:36 PM
The sharing all money is Socialism.

Cavs had like 45 jerseys they wore last year.

I like getting rid of T.E.'s, M.L.E.'s, and B.L.E.'s. That was invented by rich/successful teams to keep them winning.

Who gives a **** what age someone is when they join. Stay in Europe if ya can't play in the NBA.

How can you tell players how to dress in the off season/ free time?

SO is the draft, salay cap, max salarys, matching salarys for trades, restricted f.a and so on.

ttam68
10-29-2010, 03:43 PM
SO is the draft, salay cap, max salarys, matching salarys for trades, restricted f.a and so on.

If you really want to share all revenue, how do you stop Donald Sterling?

Suppose he cuts his roster to the league minimum, fires his staff, and treats the franchise like a bond with a huge dividend.

Like any business, you need to be held responsible for your own performance. Sharing revenues is great in theory, but theres ample reason not to do it.

Consider this article from Henry Abbott/ESPN's TrueHoop:

Not black and white
This is, of course, not a question of whether to revenue share, or not. It has been happening, and Stern says there is unanimity among owners that it will happen more.

Instead, it’s a question of degree.

How much is the right amount?

Certainly not so much that the market won’t force the worst owners out of business. For the sake of the fans, it’s essential that owners feel daily pressure, like all business owners, to perform at a high level. When they do that, they're making this whole thing worthwhile for fans. When they don't ... it's a rip-off.

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/20566/share-revenue-but-not-too-much]

Read the whole thing if you can

Lo Porto
10-29-2010, 03:44 PM
1. Lower the size of contracts. Nobody should be making more than $15 a year

2. Do away with the midlevel exception. That is just a way to allow the rich to get richer. If you can't win spending $80 million, then you shouldn't be able to go spend $6 more.

3. The last year of a contract that's 4 years or longer is not guaranteed.

4. Do away with selling draft picks. The rich only get richer with that policy.

5. Figure out a better way to deal with foreign players. Don't let them get drafted unless they are definitely coming.

6. Make the financial part of trading easier.

7. Lower rookie salaries. It's ridiculous that Thabeet makes over $5 a year and he's a project.

8. Expand the draft to 3 rounds and use it to enhance the minor leagues of the NBA (the NBDL).

9. Make the 2nd round be minimum guaranteed contracts.

10. Make teams carry 14 players and have roster space for 16. Also create an injured reserve spot. By guaranteeing 2nd rounders, having to carry 14 players, adding to 16 and an IR will put more players into the league which makes up for the lower salaries.

Hellcrooner
10-29-2010, 03:48 PM
If you really want to share all revenue, how do you stop Donald Sterling?

Suppose he cuts his roster to the league minimum, fires his staff, and treats the franchise like a bond with a huge dividend.

Like any business, you need to be held responsible for your own performance. Sharing revenues is great in theory, but theres ample reason not to do it.

Consider this article from Henry Abbott/ESPN's TrueHoop:


http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/20566/share-revenue-but-not-too-much]

Read the whole thing if you can

Do the CLippers make money win or lose? if they do money they are NOT a rpoblem in Sharing.

If the LOSE money then they are a problem and the owners woudl force them to sell or relocate.

Thats how it would work.

Are you puttin into doubt my ability to read??:confused:

ttam68
10-29-2010, 03:49 PM
7. Lower rookie salaries. It's ridiculous that Thabeet makes over $5 a year and he's a project.
What about the counter argument? Lebron only made $5 mil while on his rookie contract. Same for someone coming in like Shaq, Magic, etc. They're getting underpaid and everyone knows it, but they're locked in. It pretty much balances out.

9. Make the 2nd round be minimum guaranteed contracts.
Half those guys don't even make the league, why pay them $1 million. If they work hard enough to improve they'll get theirs.

ttam68
10-29-2010, 03:51 PM
Do the CLippers make money win or lose? if they do money they are NOT a rpoblem in Sharing.

If the LOSE money then they are a problem and the owners woudl force them to sell or relocate.

Thats how it would work.

Are you puttin into doubt my ability to read??:confused:

They would obviously lose money, I set up an extreme example. But with your sharing policy they'd be bringing in so much revenue regardless. Sterling basically did this for decades, just to a lesser extent.

Owners can't force each other out. They have no right. It would get overly complicated and just open up different problems.

As for reading the article, (1) I highly doubt you did that quickly, and (2) its a long article so I didn't know if you'd have time.

Hellcrooner
10-29-2010, 03:56 PM
They would obviously lose money, I set up an extreme example. But with your sharing policy they'd be bringing in so much revenue regardless. Sterling basically did this for decades, just to a lesser extent.

Owners can't force each other out. They have no right. It would get overly complicated and just open up different problems.

As for reading the article, (1) I highly doubt you did that quickly, and (2) its a long article so I didn't know if you'd have time.

I had read it before.
I tend to read Espn Articles daily,

JordansBulls
10-29-2010, 03:58 PM
Lower Salaries to what they were in the 80's and ticket prices.:)

Hellcrooner
10-29-2010, 04:03 PM
Lower Salaries to what they were in the 80's and ticket prices.:)

Bad idea. http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

Jordan made in 1989 ( and he was oen of the highest paid players) 2 million dollars BEFORE taxes, so i gues in the end he got lik e 900000 dollars after it.


THink bout this, Allen Iverson has Signed for 2 TAX FREE millions a year in a 4r rate Turkish team with like 1/10th of the budget the most powerfull euro teams have. ( he is earning less money than Navarro, or Sergio Rodrigue who are by no means the highest paid player sin europe)

YOu take the slarys back to that amounts and you can take for GUARANTEED everyone jumps the ocean.

Lo Porto
10-29-2010, 04:05 PM
What about the counter argument? Lebron only made $5 mil while on his rookie contract. Same for someone coming in like Shaq, Magic, etc. They're getting underpaid and everyone knows it, but they're locked in. It pretty much balances out.

Half those guys don't even make the league, why pay them $1 million. If they work hard enough to improve they'll get theirs.

For every LeBron, there are 5 Thabeets. Plus, look at how much LeBron, Wall, and others can make in endorsements before they ever even play a game. If the max contract is $15 million, the max rookie should be no more than $4 million.

When I say guaranteed contracts for 2nd rounders, I'm talking about paying them less than $300,000 a year. That way teams invest in young talent but don't break the bank. I like that better than taking some Euro that you hope comes over in the next half decade but doesn't drain on your cap in the meantime. It sucks that the 2nd round has become irrelevant.

Chronz
10-29-2010, 04:10 PM
Incentive based salaries playing a bigger role would be nice, to prevent contract year frauds. To prevent players playing for stats instead of wins you could implement efficiency thresholds, if you dont play like a star you shouldnt get paid like one.

Mudvayne91
10-29-2010, 04:44 PM
I don't think I fully comprehend what they're trying to do with the cba, but I have a question. They're trying to reduce salaries, right? Now if they're reducing salaries, how will that effect the salary cap. I guess what I'm trying to say is will it lower the salary cap? And if so, how would someone like Lebron's contract which was signed before the cba effect the newly lowered salary cap?

NYKalltheway
10-29-2010, 06:42 PM
1) Abolish the salary cap and introduce a different format which would include something like:

- Very high taxation for over $50m spent on salaries. Every team is part of this tax, so the fact that Florida has no income tax should not be an advantage or other states with high taxation shouldn't have a disadvantage. Make the taxation as such that even the big spenders wouldn't consider of going over that. The "tax" would be an NBA tax or something, so every cent after $50m that is due to taxation would go into the NBA's bank. No more concern for profitability as this guarantees the NBA lots of money.

- Introduce buy outs for every player. Can be activated by either player (to become free agent) or by another team (transfer). This will be the maximum money by law to be spent on that player under his current deal. eg Rashard Lewis would have a buy out of $12m to discuss a NEW deal with another team. Contracts will be void upon activation of buy out clause

- Further on that, maximum of $20-25m spent on buy outs by each team. Every team can afford that so big markets can't really take full advantage of that. Teams can negotiate deals with other teams and use other players in the deals. Basically, instead of trading players according to contracts, they could at some points trade players' buy out value. (eg hypothetical buy out of $10m for Steve Nash and hypothetical $6m buy out for Wilson Chandler would mean that the Knicks would have to pay up to a further $4m to complete the deal. Teams can decide on a lower price, or one of the players may void the deal by not agreeing on terms with new team)

- No escalated salaries. There's one maximum and one minimum value. That could be at around $12-15m so that smaller markets are protected since they can pay 2-3 players that amount without having those players wanting to leave for more money.

- This would mean that teams can actually all make profit. Pacers might be in trouble of losing money, they can declare that Danny Granger is available so there would be 10-15 teams interested in meeting his buy out. Pacers get some money and figure what they do next with it if at that point they mostly care about money instead of anything else.

- Also this means no MLE, Bird Rights etc

- There will be 2 periods of time where teams can activate buy out clauses.
a) During the off season until the pre-season officially begins
b) January 1st till January 21st

This will guarantee that teams that will make the playoffs cannot abuse the system and reinforce accordingly just in time.

2) Abolish drafting of international players. Since it's 100% up to them if they're crossing the Atlantic/Pacific, the NBA team interested in that player would simply activate his buy out clause, or discuss with his team. (eg 8 NBA teams are after Rubio. Buy out clause is $4m. Everyone bids that figure and it's up to Rubio to agree on a deal with any team instead of having to go to Minnesota- or any other team that could have drafted him) Pure simple

3) Any team can terminate a contract of a player who can't get to stay fit. (eg Knicks can get rid of Eddy Curry and his $11m contract since he can't be in a position to play. Eddy Curry will receive a % compensation)

4) Prize money for NBA position at the end of the regular season. On a scale from 1 to 30, each team will receive an amount of money from the NBA according to their position in the league overall. Since the draft can't be changed, it's the 2nd best thing they can do to make sure that some teams would not tank their games/seasons. Players can get bonus payment over this.

5) Rookie contracts should be lower than $2m per year and equal or more than the NBA minimum. That would apply to 1st rounders. 2nd rounders contracts should be lower than $1m and equal or more than the NBA minimum (that could be $400-600k)

6) Teams must contain 3 or more players under the age of 24 and at least 2 players over the age of 34. Not a very important aspect but not just a cosmetic restriction either. This is to help younger players and veterans keep their places above all

7) Contract lengths. No less than 1 year(or 1.5 year if signed after halfway in a season) and no more than 3 years(or 2.5 years if signed after halfway in a season). This will make big market teams more hesitant to sign new young stars as they might leave sooner than expected. This will not destroy contuinity within teams, but it will enhance quality as it doesn't allow players to sit their contracts out since they will be have constant pressure of playing well. Continuity is up to players and teams anyway. If a player likes being at a team, he can sign for them 3 year deals until he retires.

- Rookies(under 22) can sign 4 year deals and players over 33 can only sign 2 year deals.

- A restriction that will improve the NBA market of players and also improve the quality as no player will have the luxury of sitting his contract or have guaranteed money forever

8) Players can change teams only once per season. That means they can sign a new contract twice in a season and only with different teams.

9) Players cannot sign a new contract with their current team after 2 years have passed under the current deal. So 2 year contracts must expire before the team can re-sign the player.

10) Have random anti-doping tests for every player of a team, at least 4 times a year. It doesn't cost that much to do the test to 350 people 4 times, does it? And it's also for the health of the league


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