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True Blue NY
10-20-2010, 12:28 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5705466


NEW YORK -- The New York Knicks have made significant progress in recent days in their efforts to acquire Carmelo Anthony from the Denver Nuggets, a source told ESPN.com Tuesday.

After a period of dormancy following the collapse of a four-team trade late last month between New Jersey, Denver, Utah and Charlotte, the Knicks got back in on the bidding about two weeks ago after Anthony made it known to the Nuggets that he would not budge on his refusal to sign a three-year, $65 million contract extension with Denver.


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The offers the Knicks have proposed have always centered around packages including Anthony Randolph, the expiring contract of Eddy Curry and a first-round draft pick they would acquire from a third team, and New York has softened its stance on including forward Danilo Gallinari in a trade.

The most recent obstacle, according to the source, was for the Knicks to use one of those assets, likely Randolph or Gallinari, to acquire a player from a third team that the Nuggets value more highly than either of the Knicks forwards. The source said that obstacle can now be overcome, with the Knicks confident they can get their hands on a player the Nuggets would prefer.

The source also cautioned that the Chicago Bulls remained in the Melo mix, although the contract extension Chicago reached earlier this month with Joakim Noah would preclude him from being included in any deal the Bulls would put together for Anthony.

Also, New Jersey has faded from the Anthony sweepstakes, growing disinclined to include rookie Derrick Favors in a trade, a league source told ESPN.com's J.A. Adande.

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There were no concrete indications regarding whether the Nuggets were inclined to deal Anthony prior to the opening of the regular season next week. But the rekindling of trade talks two weeks ago coincided with the Nuggets' hiring of salary-cap specialist Pete D'Alessandro.

The Knicks have had their sights on Anthony since losing out over the summer in their free-agent pursuit of LeBron James, Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade. They remain determined to add a second max-salary player to their roster to play alongside Amare Stoudemire, who scored 39 points Tuesday night in a victory over New Jersey to overtake Anthony for the league lead in preseason scoring. Stoudemire is averaging 26.0 points per game to Anthony's 23.5.

The Knicks would have to part with an additional asset or two to acquire a first-round draft pick to include in any deal with the Nuggets, and one New York player who has increased his value in recent days is backup point guard Toney Douglas, who had 24 points Tuesday against New Jersey after scoring 23 two nights earlier against Washington.

Gallinari and Randolph have both struggled in the preseason. Gallinari followed up his 0-for-7 performance against the Wizards with a 3-for-7 night against the Nets, while Randolph, averaging 11.0 points and 3.8 rebounds in six preseason games, scored 13 points but did not grab a single rebound. Curry, whose $11.3 million salary comes off the cap at the end of this season, has been sidelined for all six exhibition games with a strained right hamstring.

Wow, this would be fantastic. As long as Gallinari isn't traded.

goblazers7
10-20-2010, 12:40 AM
Melo is melo. But gallo has the potential to be a dirk like player. I don't know about giving him up.

Gators123
10-20-2010, 12:42 AM
You wouldn't give up Gallo for Melo? :crazy:

LeBitteNoir
10-20-2010, 12:47 AM
Melo gonna end up with the Nets. Just watch.

Nicolasvon
10-20-2010, 12:48 AM
Melo and Amare that's a real nice 1, 2 punch.

Hellcrooner
10-20-2010, 12:52 AM
Felton, Rudy Fernandez, Melo, Stoudamire -Mozgov.


Gallinari-Randolpl,Chandler ends somewhere else.

Thats how it is ending.

ko8e24
10-20-2010, 12:54 AM
Move to Carmelo Anthony THREAD

/thread

Sadds The Gr8
10-20-2010, 12:56 AM
The Knicks can't expect to get Melo w/o giving up Gallinari...

Hellcrooner
10-20-2010, 01:02 AM
The Knicks can't expect to get Melo w/o giving up Gallinari...

nor would make sense having both.


in fact they shoudl try to keep randoilph and deal gallo and chandler

hgtiger32
10-20-2010, 01:12 AM
i just want this trade to happen...i mean a melo trade to anyone. grizzlies, twolves, pistons, i don't give a *****. just want this fiasco to be done...

NYKnicks4511
10-20-2010, 01:28 AM
nor would make sense having both.


in fact they shoudl try to keep randoilph and deal gallo and chandler

I agree with you that having both would be holding back Gallinari and essentially making him a spot up shooter. While I love Gallo and all, I don't think he can play the 4, and his post up game hasn't impressed me so far (though he's been reportedly working on it a lot).

Gallinari has potential, but Carmelo Anthony is a once in a decade type of player. I make this trade any day.

Preferably I'd keep Chandler as he's more athletic and versatile a la Shawn Marion in his PHX days. Wil has really improved his shooting and his midrange game is one of the best in the league. He could really be the OPTIMAL complementary player to a Melo/Stat tandem in NYC.

THE MTL
10-20-2010, 01:38 AM
Gallinari and Randolph basically for Melo. I would do that trade and not look back.

SouthSideRookie
10-20-2010, 01:39 AM
Who would the Knicks trade for a draft pick, would it be Chandler?

John Walls Era
10-20-2010, 01:40 AM
I want this to go through. BBall in the East would be even more fun to watch.

GoatMilk
10-20-2010, 01:49 AM
Melo is melo. But gallo has the potential to be a dirk like player. I don't know about giving him up.

so are you saying Dirk > Melo? Because I'm going to have to disagree

and you said it, POTENTIAL. Melo is what he is already. no need for potential. he's a superstar

29$JerZ
10-20-2010, 01:53 AM
I wouldn't trade for Melo for the simple fact Melo not accepting an extension this long means he has no intention of remaining a Nugget after the season. Just wait and keep our assets.

Melo is obviously a better talent than either Danilo or Anthony but its not crazy to believe in letting them grow and just flat out S/T for Melo next summer for a Trade Exception or just flat out sign him.

Young24
10-20-2010, 01:57 AM
As a nuggets fan I would take chandler, gallo, and randolph for melo at this point.
FO make this happen please, watching favors is making me sick!

Bulls_fan90
10-20-2010, 01:57 AM
so are you saying Dirk > Melo? Because I'm going to have to disagree

and you said it, POTENTIAL. Melo is what he is already. no need for potential. he's a superstar

Prime Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>Melo

GoatMilk
10-20-2010, 02:02 AM
Prime Dirk>>>>>>>>>>>>>Melo

it's pretty close
Melo is just entering his prime.
I still say Melo >

AddiX
10-20-2010, 02:04 AM
I wouldn't trade for Melo for the simple fact Melo not accepting an extension this long means he has no intention of remaining a Nugget after the season. Just wait and keep our assets.

Melo is obviously a better talent than either Danilo or Anthony but its not crazy to believe in letting them grow and just flat out S/T for Melo next summer for a Trade Exception or just flat out sign him.

It just means he hasn't been offered to a team he wants to go to yet.

But the nuggets also know that if he plays this season, he isn't going to put in any real effort for them fearing an injury.

And if he were to get injured than his value would plummet. So trading him now is the best move for everyone involved. And he needs to get his extension before the season is over or he could lose major $. There is going to major changes once an agreement between the league and unions is met.

One thing is pretty clear, he wants to be NY.

tangent12
10-20-2010, 02:12 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Knicks were also making significant progress in getting LeBron and we know how that worked out.

Mplsman
10-20-2010, 02:36 AM
Melo-Amare is a nice combo.

soundjunkies2
10-20-2010, 03:00 AM
Melo is melo. But gallo has the potential to be a dirk like player. I don't know about giving him up.

He COULD be, I'd take the sure thing right now.

soundjunkies2
10-20-2010, 03:01 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Knicks were also making significant progress in getting LeBron and we know how that worked out.

I don't remember the Knicks ever really getting close to landing Lebron.

bigsams50
10-20-2010, 03:10 AM
Melo and STAT? Has potential should it go through

FlashMacker
10-20-2010, 03:15 AM
I don't remember the Knicks ever really getting close to landing Lebron.


Me neither

xxxplicit69
10-20-2010, 03:25 AM
I really hope the Bulls make a move on Melo. Deng, Gibson, and Johnson and or a draft pick is a nice deal.

HeaTxRipZz
10-20-2010, 03:29 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Knicks were also making significant progress in getting LeBron and we know how that worked out.

Well according to the most beloved media NY never had a chance it was Chicago Nets and Miami pretty much

scutch11
10-20-2010, 04:01 AM
i wonder if this is both sides softening their stance or one team "caving in", for lack of a better word. the nuggets hurt their chances the longer they hold out on trading him, and the knicks best prospects (gallo, randolph) havent exactly been lighting up preseason (i know its preseason, but its still against nba level talent).

the knicks also have to trade some other package to get a first round pick to trade to denver, so theres a good chance that any trade would almost wipe out the knicks young talent (saying that randolph, gallo, and chandler all get traded, or gallo, randolph, douglas, landry fields)

for the knicks sake i hope its the nuggets caving in

TheWatcher34
10-20-2010, 04:13 AM
Gallo has been struggling in preseason...funny...i wonder if he's been chucking up three pointers on purpose so it would make him look less valuable for a trade. it makes him look like a chucker the Nuggets wouldnt want on their squad. ;)

Kashmir13579
10-20-2010, 04:26 AM
I'll believe it when I see it.

The Knicks were also making significant progress in getting LeBron and we know how that worked out.
oh word bro?

I don't remember the Knicks ever really getting close to landing Lebron.

actually the bulls were in a much better position in terms of landing lebron. at least thats what the media would have us believe.

Kashmir13579
10-20-2010, 04:28 AM
I really hope the Bulls make a move on Melo. Deng, Gibson, and Johnson and or a draft pick is a nice deal.

a nice deal for who? you know that would never happen right? why even bother?

i.got.the.nutz
10-20-2010, 04:37 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the Gallo/Dirk comparison is borderline ridiculous?

xPhillies08WSCx
10-20-2010, 04:59 AM
I bet the third team in that deal is the Sixers, cause the Nuggets love Iguodala and made it known they want him. Iggy is gonna be involved in this deal unless the Sixers are dumb and honestly think they can compete any time soon.

bholly
10-20-2010, 05:29 AM
Am I the only one that thinks the Gallo/Dirk comparison is borderline ridiculous?

Nope, makes me shake my head every time as well.

wayneo11
10-20-2010, 05:50 AM
Felton, Rudy Fernandez, Melo, Stoudamire -Mozgov.


Gallinari-Randolpl,Chandler ends somewhere else.

Thats how it is ending.

maybe the worst defensive unit ever assembled in the nba i mean i thought the the t-wolves were bad last season but this would be a complete joke. if you have melo you need i a defensive minded 2 gaurd thats why jr smith does not start for denver with amare you would need a rebounding hustle guy in the middle.

airronijordan
10-20-2010, 06:42 AM
If the Knicks end up trading Gallo-Randolph-Chandler, then theyre probably going to get Melo and JR Smith in return.....I just hope douglas isn't included

Remember Denver reportedly was so upset that the 4 team deal didn't go through, that they ended up offering Melo and JR Smith for Gallo,AR,Douglas, and Curry (no draft pick)

I don't think a deal is happening anytime soon

Antipod
10-20-2010, 07:55 AM
Melo again...pleas no x/

JOSKOMANG4
10-20-2010, 08:27 AM
I honestly believe that the Atlanta Hawks, b/c of giving Joe Johnson a chunk load of cash, should get into this deal w/ the Knicks & Nuggets!!

Proposed Deal:

- Hawks acquire SF/SG W.Chandler, C E.Curry(expiring), & 2011 2nd rd pick(v/Knicks)

Reason: Due to overpaying Joe Johnson, the Hawks are locked into to over 51 million dollars; including that young C/PF Al Hortford is in his last year of his contract. Smith is locked up until the '12-'13 season. The Significance of this trade is.

1) With trading for Eddie Curry, the hawks easily receive over 11 million in salary relief. With Jamal Crawford and his 10 million coming off the cap after this season, the hawks will be around 39.6 million; over 18 million under this season's cap.

2) Resigning AL Hortford! Hortford, since drafted by the Hawks, has been a devastating presence in the frontcourt. His versatility has given the Hawks not only a strong C, but also a big PF as well. Hortford has stated he would like to play his normal position: PF. Currently, due to Josh Smith on the roster, Hortford has to play center. With smith being traded, the Hawks make a push to resign Hortford to only pay him the big money, but to open up the position he wants to play; PF. They can probably lock up AL Hortford at a contract similar to L.Aldridge from POR(5yr 65million). With locking Hortford, they keep their 1-2 tandem with Joe Johnson until the 2015/2016 season.

3) Another benefit; Wilson Chandler. As a Knick fan, I will let every1 know that I'm big on Wilson Chandler. Though the Knicks have not been a playoff contender for the past 3 seasons, Chandler has contributed both Offensively & defensively. The hawks currently have a strong bench, including last seasons 6th man award winner; Jamal Crawford. Trading for Chandler just boosts up their bench. Also, with Jamal Crawford likely leaving for more money after the season, the Hawks can lock up Chandler at the MLE for the next 5 seasons(merely half of what Jamal Crawford made this season).

Hawks Lineup:

C: Zaza Pachulia/E.Thomas/J.Collins/E.Curry
PF: Al Horford/Josh Powell/P.Sy
SF: Marvin Williams/W.Chandler/Maurice Evans
SG: Joe Johnson/Jamal Crawford/Jordan Crawford
PG: Mike Bibby/Jeff Teague

Prediction: 45 wins. 5th seed East Conference.

- Nuggets acquire PF/SF Josh Smith, SF/SG D.Gallanari, SF/SG K.azubuike, & 2011 1st rd pick(V/Hawks)

Reason; In exchanged more Melo, they acquire a young "larry bird" in Gallo, a player they can promote as their "new future" in Josh Smith, & a 2011 1st rd pick, along with expiring contract of Azubuike.

Nuggets Lineup:

C: Nene Hilario/Chris Andersen/*Brian Butch/M.Ely
PF: Kenyon Martin/Shelden Williams
SF: J.Smith/Al Harrington/Renaldo Balkman
SG: D.Gallo/Aaron Afflalo/Azubuike
PG: Chauncey Billups/Ty Lawson/Anthony Carter

Prediction: 42-45 wins. 6th seed West Conference.

- Knicks acquire SF Carmelo Anthony

Though the knicks could of easily gotten Melo after the 2011 season, the Knicks fear he might be "intrigued" by another team, so the knicks trade their big expiring contract(curry), and two of the future "growth" players in Gallo & Chandler, to acquire IMO a top 10 player in the NBA.

C: Anthony Randolph/Tomfey Mozgov/Jerome Jordan
PF: Amare Stoudemire/Ronny Turiaf
SF: Melo/Landry Fields/Bill Walker/S.Williams
SG: JR SMith/Roger Mason/P.Ewing JR
PG: Raymond Felton/Toney Douglas/Andy Rautins


Prediction: 45-48 wins. 4th seed East Conference.

If trade went down, Playoff Predictions.

East:

1) Magic
2) Heat
3) Celtics
4) Knicks
5) Hawks
6) Bulls
7) Bucks
8) Wizards

West:

1) Lakers
2) Thunder
3) Mavs
4) Jazz
5) Blazers
6) Nuggets
7) Spurs
8) Grizzles

MELO 15
10-20-2010, 08:29 AM
If JR gets included in the deal, it wouldn't hurt the knicks, because his contract comes off the books the following year, plus people under rate JR'S Defense, he would fit right in to dantoni's system, he has become a better play maker, we all know that he has all the talent in the world, and he can shoot the long ball, people seem to 4get that when he started along with melo, they were the highest scoring duo in the nba, a line up of
Felton
JR
Melo
Stoudamire
A Randoph
Would be crazy, and if it doesn't work out Jr's contract would come off next year, and u try to make a run at parker or Cp3! its possible. I believe he would be a better fit in CHI TOWN, But he would see alot more MONEY in NY. New York neeeeeds to return back to its glory days. Melo can make it happen, we shall see.

Slimsim
10-20-2010, 08:38 AM
They can keep JR. Just give us melo.

knicks=love
10-20-2010, 08:39 AM
I really hope the Bulls make a move on Melo. Deng, Gibson, and Johnson and or a draft pick is a nice deal.

Do you not understand that the nuggets don't want deng? No one does. You're stuck with him like we are with curry. Try wanted Noah but you signed him to an extension. There is no way the bulls get melo after the Knicks can offer Randolph, potentially a first, TD, and curry. We'll be keeping gallo. No need to trade Randolph, gallo, and Chandler for melo. If that's the case, I'm out.

mikantsass
10-20-2010, 08:41 AM
Melo is melo. But gallo has the potential to be a dirk like player. I don't know about giving him up.

Gallo will never be a top 5-7 player in the league, Melo already is

GMEN4EVER
10-20-2010, 08:44 AM
I'd prefer the knicks to not give up Gallo or Randolph in the trade. Keep one of them. They both have the length to play botht he 3 and 4 position, and in time Randolph might even be able to step over and pick up some minutes at the 5 based on matchups. They'd both compliment Melo and Amar'e well, with Gallo maybe being a better compliment offensively, and Randolph being more helpful defensively. Melo is an ok 3 pt shooter, so having Gallo on the floor with him as a stretch 4 along with either TD or Azubuike at the 2 and you'd have tons of spacing for Melo to work with.

Ideally i'd like the knicks to hold out until they can find a way to get this deal done by only giving up one of the three of Chandler, Gallo, and Randolph, but that's looking increasingly unlikely. I'd rather not keep Chandler out of the 3 just because of who would fit in well with Melo and Amar'e.

The Miami Cheat
10-20-2010, 08:53 AM
having melo and amare on the same team would b awesome for the knicks....but idk i see gallo becomin a big star...idk if giving him up is a good idea

uprightciti
10-20-2010, 09:10 AM
Gallo stays

Part of the reason his performance as of late might be so that the denver office sees that he could be very inconsistent hence him not being part of the package to land melo

chandler for a first rounder

randolph, curry (huge expiring) and 1st round 2011 pick for melo

pretty freakin sick!

c - Mozzy,
pf - Amare
sf - Melo
sg - Azbuki
pg - Felton

HoopsDrive
10-20-2010, 09:21 AM
People wouldn't include Gallo in a Melo deal? Ridiculous to say the least. Yeah, Gallo has the POTENTIAL to be a good player but Melo is already there, he's a sure thing, a proven player.

It astounds me how some people are on the fence because of Gallo. I'd pull the trigger on this in a second.

effen5
10-20-2010, 09:23 AM
People wouldn't include Gallo in a Melo deal? Ridiculous to say the least. Yeah, Gallo has the POTENTIAL to be a good player but Melo is already there, he's a sure thing, a proven player.

It astounds me how some people are on the fence because of Gallo. I'd pull the trigger on this in a second.

Knicks fans are high...Gallo being overrated by Knicks fans.

VicRoyJr
10-20-2010, 09:37 AM
I'm sure Randolph, Douglas, Curry, Walker and Chandler will all be shipped out in an all out effort to land Melo, and thats ok with me.
We would have Amare, Melo and Gallo as our big three, Felton, Moz and the rest would be decent role players, then we would have to find some more reserves on the cheap, but thats the price we would pay to land Melo ...Make it happen Donnie

TWILL1
10-20-2010, 09:54 AM
Just wondering why do both the Knicks and Nets want to trade and mess up their team and good players? If they wait Melo can join either and not have to give Denver anything. It just one season boys.

king4day
10-20-2010, 09:59 AM
It sounds like the Knicks would have to trade all three no? Chandler to get the first, and then Randolph, the first and Gallo for Melo?
Or maybe Randolph to Indy for the 1st and then Gallo, Curry and the first for Melo

MitchMillion
10-20-2010, 10:05 AM
Get this in your head. Gallo will never be Dirk. Gallo will always be a role player. Stop thinking he will be this GREAT player.

el_primo_nano
10-20-2010, 10:10 AM
Does anybody know that the Knicks dont have a draft pick for the next decade almost.. Would be nice, but this is ridiculous. 2 all-stars dont make a team, a TEAM makes a TEAM

jkcronyn
10-20-2010, 10:18 AM
everyone's getting real hyped over this but carmelo and amare have never been "great" without a top point guard (billups, nash). Honestly felton isn't gonna be able to distribute properly and I'm going to guess that its just gonna be underwhelming until someone like chris paul gets there. Until then the knicks finish no better than a 7th or 8th seed in the east

lvlheaded
10-20-2010, 10:21 AM
Honestly of the 4 players (AR4, Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas) I most want to hang on to TD. Kid is showing great progress in preseason and plays very good D. I think it ends up being a 3 team deal with Philly, whose new president, Rod Thorn, had coveted Gallinari since the draft.

Philly gets: Gallinari, JR Smith, 2nd(Knicks)
DEN gets: Iggy, AR4, Curry, Buike
Knicks get: Carmelo

The fact that Denver is getting an all-star in Iggy and a young player with high potential in Randolph, along with the Curry expiring and Buike to become a more level headed JR Smith lessens the need for a 1st rounder to be included. If DEN still wants a 1st, the Knicks could probably include a couple more 2nd's to Philly to get them to add a 1st to the mix.

lvlheaded
10-20-2010, 10:24 AM
everyone's getting real hyped over this but carmelo and amare have never been "great" without a top point guard (billups, nash). Honestly felton isn't gonna be able to distribute properly and I'm going to guess that its just gonna be underwhelming until someone like chris paul gets there. Until then the knicks finish no better than a 7th or 8th seed in the east

I have to disagree with you here. I agree the Knicks will eventually need a better point guard than Felton, but a combo of Melo and Amar'e would be deadly and could absolutely carry the Knicks to a 4 seed in the east. Felton may not be Nash but he is no slouch either.

jkcronyn
10-20-2010, 10:32 AM
i guess thats fair but the front court is gonna be so busy. lebron and wade know how to share the ball and they're facilitators. carmelo has never proven that's the player he can be. that mixed with amare truly is hit or miss. the front court without a good guard to coordinate and spread the ball around might goof them up but at the same time great players force good players to become great i.e. the big three in boston making rondo into a stud... so i think its also doable that felton averages 15 and 8

lvlheaded
10-20-2010, 10:36 AM
i guess thats fair but the front court is gonna be so busy. lebron and wade know how to share the ball and they're facilitators. carmelo has never proven that's the player he can be. that mixed with amare truly is hit or miss. the front court without a good guard to coordinate and spread the ball around might goof them up but at the same time great players force good players to become great i.e. the big three in boston making rondo into a stud... so i think its also doable that felton averages 15 and 8

Thats exactly my thinking. When surrounded by great players, good players get better. Look how good Kobe and Gasol mad Ariza look. Not to say Melo is anything like Kobe, just trying to make a point. In any instance, the Knicks with Carmelo are better than the Knicks are now.

D-Leethal
10-20-2010, 10:50 AM
It sounds like the Knicks would have to trade all three no? Chandler to get the first, and then Randolph, the first and Gallo for Melo?
Or maybe Randolph to Indy for the 1st and then Gallo, Curry and the first for Melo

Agreed, unless someone will take TD for a first. It would prob be TD/Wilson for a late first (possibly Chandler for SA's pick), Gallo, Randolph, Curry for Melo or Ar4 for Indys pick (most likely lotto), Gallo, and Curry for Melo..........we could also take back JR smith and likely have to give up less talent and more salary relief (Turiaf/Buike).......lots of options to make a deal here, also have 2014 pick

SouthSideRookie
10-20-2010, 10:55 AM
It sounds like the Knicks would have to trade all three no? Chandler to get the first, and then Randolph, the first and Gallo for Melo?
Or maybe Randolph to Indy for the 1st and then Gallo, Curry and the first for Melo

You are correct. There is no way that Denver will do the trade without AR and Gallo both included. Hell, I don't even think they will do that, I guess if they are left with no other choice they would have to.

godolphins
10-20-2010, 11:15 AM
Melo is not going to the Knicks

nycericanguy
10-20-2010, 11:23 AM
Does anybody know that the Knicks dont have a draft pick for the next decade almost.. Would be nice, but this is ridiculous. 2 all-stars dont make a team, a TEAM makes a TEAM

:confused: they have 2011, 2013, 2014, 2015,2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 1st round picks... the only year we don't have a 1st is 2012.

Khalifa21
10-20-2010, 11:37 AM
everyone's getting real hyped over this but carmelo and amare have never been "great" without a top point guard (billups, nash). Honestly felton isn't gonna be able to distribute properly and I'm going to guess that its just gonna be underwhelming until someone like chris paul gets there. Until then the knicks finish no better than a 7th or 8th seed in the east

Carmelo's first 5 seasons (without a good PG).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2004 2008 379 379 36.5 8.8 19.0 .462 0.6 2.2 .294 6.2 7.8 .796 2.0 4.0 6.0 3.0 1.1 0.5 3.1 3.0 24.4

Carmelo's last 2 seasons (playing alongside Chauncey Billups).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2008 2010 135 135 36.3 9.0 20.0 .451 0.9 2.6 .341 6.5 8.0 .813 1.9 4.7 6.6 3.2 1.2 0.4 3.0 3.1 25.5

Not only did his FG% go down playing alongside Chauncey but he only scored 1.1 more points a game. Playing alongside a solid PG in Felton won't see any dramatic change in his numbers.

Amar'e is a lot tougher but it's quite clear that even from preseason, Felton and Stoudemire have looked pretty deadly together. You can't compare Amar'e's years without Nash to his years with him since he was 18 and 19 in the two seasons without Nash but that didn't stop him from still being a force.

26 ppg in preseason further points to the fact that life after Nash won't be to difficult for Amar'e.

ttam68
10-20-2010, 11:59 AM
Carmelo's first 5 seasons (without a good PG).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2004 2008 379 379 36.5 8.8 19.0 .462 0.6 2.2 .294 6.2 7.8 .796 2.0 4.0 6.0 3.0 1.1 0.5 3.1 3.0 24.4

Carmelo's last 2 seasons (playing alongside Chauncey Billups).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2008 2010 135 135 36.3 9.0 20.0 .451 0.9 2.6 .341 6.5 8.0 .813 1.9 4.7 6.6 3.2 1.2 0.4 3.0 3.1 25.5

Not only did his FG% go down playing alongside Chauncey but he only scored 1.1 more points a game. Playing alongside a solid PG in Felton won't see any dramatic change in his numbers.

Amar'e is a lot tougher but it's quite clear that even from preseason, Felton and Stoudemire have looked pretty deadly together. You can't compare Amar'e's years without Nash to his years with him since he was 18 and 19 in the two seasons without Nash but that didn't stop him from still being a force.

26 ppg in preseason further points to the fact that life after Nash won't be to difficult for Amar'e.

Andre Miller and Iverson?

Khalifa21
10-20-2010, 12:06 PM
Andre Miller and Iverson?

Iverson? Good PG?

:eyebrow:

jkcronyn
10-20-2010, 12:09 PM
alright thats fine and all but amar'e has no work ethic and niether does carmelo. both of them are extremely overhyped and the nuggets win percentage from the beginning of anthony to chaunceys arrival? about .560 and after about .650. Carmelo can't carry a team and I know everyones like but they'll have Amar'e too! Great two players who think they're all-time great post players but anthony constantly looks like an undersized pf and amar'e is only good when motivated. Neither of them by themselves is a "winner" I don't care about the numbers but until they have a team around them that's motivating them neither of them care. It's literally to half-hearted all stars who are gonna be battling for points, space on the floor, and to be the new face of the knick's franchise. It's gonna be a tough year until Felton comes into his own and the bench proves itself. Until then no higher than a 6 seed.

RaysFan
10-20-2010, 12:10 PM
I understand what the Knicks want to do, but why do it? If you trade for Melo then you have what...the 5th best team in the East? MAYBE the 4th best team in the East? You are essentially what Milwaukee was last year and you gave up the future to do it.

Look...you aren't beating Miami and you are still behind Orlando and Boston so why make the move? Why give up whatever you have in the future in order to lock in to a long-term deal with Melo that essentially puts you as a 4th or 5th seed in the playoffs?

el_primo_nano
10-20-2010, 12:10 PM
i was already disappointed that the Knicks didnt get Lebron, so if this doesnt go down im gonna get even more pissed. i dont want to get to hyped to get shut out again

ttam68
10-20-2010, 12:12 PM
Iverson? Good PG?

:eyebrow:

Better than Felton/Douglas. And Dre' lead the league in assists one year, you forget about him?

scutch11
10-20-2010, 12:12 PM
alright thats fine and all but amar'e has no work ethic and niether does carmelo. both of them are extremely overhyped and the nuggets win percentage from the beginning of anthony to chaunceys arrival? about .560 and after about .650. Carmelo can't carry a team and I know everyones like but they'll have Amar'e too! Great two players who think they're all-time great post players but anthony constantly looks like an undersized pf and amar'e is only good when motivated. Neither of them by themselves is a "winner" I don't care about the numbers but until they have a team around them that's motivating them neither of them care. It's literally to half-hearted all stars who are gonna be battling for points, space on the floor, and to be the new face of the knick's franchise. It's gonna be a tough year until Felton comes into his own and the bench proves itself. Until then no higher than a 6 seed.

i stopped reading after the first sentence, because if there is one thing amar'e has showed us in his short time here so far its that he has an EXCELLENT work ethic. he has really taken on a leadership role, and brought a winning mentality to this team that has not been there for the last decade. he has really been pushing the young guys to get better.

jkcronyn
10-20-2010, 12:15 PM
hahahahahahah yes the preseason is completely indicative of an 82 game regular season... it also means the grizzlies are going to run 82-0 and keep that streak up and the heat might finish .500 idk... it looks pretty sketchy right now.. and of course he's pushing the young guys to get better because he's wasting a third of the payroll when he doesnt deserve it

John Walls Era
10-20-2010, 12:17 PM
everyone's getting real hyped over this but carmelo and amare have never been "great" without a top point guard (billups, nash). Honestly felton isn't gonna be able to distribute properly and I'm going to guess that its just gonna be underwhelming until someone like chris paul gets there. Until then the knicks finish no better than a 7th or 8th seed in the east

Not true. Melo was good/great when Andre Miller was running the show. Same when he had Chucky Atkins and AI (both not "great" pgs).

jkcronyn
10-20-2010, 12:22 PM
i get that he had the same numbers, i've seen all the numbers i get it. but the nuggets were a much better team when they were run with a proven pointguard. and the main reason they were better is the way carmelo got his points. he was no longer scoring his 25 at will more or less he was getting them when they came while still allowing other players to fill their roles. thats the ideal situation and it comes along only when you have a good pointguard. is paul pierce getting the same numbers as he was before the big three came? yep. was he finals mvp worthy before they came? no. you can have the same numbers and 40 players in the nba if given the role could go for 20 every night. the point is that players can get the same numbers, but the way in which they get them dictates on whether they win or no. without a point guard orchestrating and controlling possessions carmelo and amare are gonna run wild and make a mess out of the front court of the knicks until felton can figure it out

AddiX
10-20-2010, 12:22 PM
Carmelo's first 5 seasons (without a good PG).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2004 2008 379 379 36.5 8.8 19.0 .462 0.6 2.2 .294 6.2 7.8 .796 2.0 4.0 6.0 3.0 1.1 0.5 3.1 3.0 24.4

Carmelo's last 2 seasons (playing alongside Chauncey Billups).


Player From To G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
Carmelo Anthony 2008 2010 135 135 36.3 9.0 20.0 .451 0.9 2.6 .341 6.5 8.0 .813 1.9 4.7 6.6 3.2 1.2 0.4 3.0 3.1 25.5

Not only did his FG% go down playing alongside Chauncey but he only scored 1.1 more points a game. Playing alongside a solid PG in Felton won't see any dramatic change in his numbers.

Amar'e is a lot tougher but it's quite clear that even from preseason, Felton and Stoudemire have looked pretty deadly together. You can't compare Amar'e's years without Nash to his years with him since he was 18 and 19 in the two seasons without Nash but that didn't stop him from still being a force.

26 ppg in preseason further points to the fact that life after Nash won't be to difficult for Amar'e.

Wow that has to be one of the worst statistical analysis I have ever seen done on PSD. Has to be some kind of award for that.

Are you really going to try and attribute all of his stats to a PG? No one else on the team has anything to do with it?

And second off, how many more points does he need to average? Having Chauncey made him a better player and made the team better, and it's as simple as that. A slight drop in FG% and "only 1 pt" added to his average doesn't mean a thing about anything.

You stat guys need to stop this bs and watch a game for once. Because I don't think you have any idea what your watching. The idea that Billups didn't help out Melo's game is just ********.

PlezPlayDKnicks
10-20-2010, 01:00 PM
Melo is not going to the Knicks

Says the known Knick basher..

Its not a lock. And I wish we would stop posting knick news in here. Nothing good comes of it.

Evolution23
10-20-2010, 03:11 PM
Don't post anything positive about anything NY related in the NBA forums. I thought the whole Nash making Amar'e into an all-star was overrated and played out. Hes a face up player that knows how to score one on one. The pick and roll play is just a bonus for him.

kyubi256
10-20-2010, 03:34 PM
Maybe the reason why Billups made Melo better was because he made it so Melo did not have to do it himself? He had a supporting cast and thus could play better because of this.

Iverson and Melo did not gel. And before Iverson, Melo did not really have anyone else.

Amare is a damn good supporting cast for Melo, and the two of them can definitely make a lot of things happen

kyubi256
10-20-2010, 03:41 PM
Honestly of the 4 players (AR4, Gallo, Chandler, and Douglas) I most want to hang on to TD. Kid is showing great progress in preseason and plays very good D. I think it ends up being a 3 team deal with Philly, whose new president, Rod Thorn, had coveted Gallinari since the draft.

Philly gets: Gallinari, JR Smith, 2nd(Knicks)
DEN gets: Iggy, AR4, Curry, Buike
Knicks get: Carmelo

The fact that Denver is getting an all-star in Iggy and a young player with high potential in Randolph, along with the Curry expiring and Buike to become a more level headed JR Smith lessens the need for a 1st rounder to be included. If DEN still wants a 1st, the Knicks could probably include a couple more 2nd's to Philly to get them to add a 1st to the mix.

This is a likely trade option but I think that Curry + Iggy + Buike is way too much salary for just Melo + JR Smith. I don't think the salaries even up there.

It'd probably be this instead

Philly gets: Gallinari, Eddy Curry, Tony Douglas, 2nd(Knicks)
DEN gets: Iggy, AR4, + 1st round pick (Philly)
Knicks get: Carmelo

Denver has no need for Azubuike and I think Philly would rather an expiring (Curry) and a young player then a bad contract in JR Smith.

The Knicks most likely will have to give up 3 of the 4 (AR4, Gallo, Wilson Chandler, Tony Douglas) and after this pre-season I think they will want Wilson Chandler the most to play the 2.

Then the team will be

C - Mozgov
PF - Amare
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Wilson Chandler
PG - Raymond Felton

JnasD
10-20-2010, 03:46 PM
Melo is not going to the Knicks

Says The Knicks Basher who wants to see us fail.

Mudvayne91
10-20-2010, 04:09 PM
I would be very shocked if the Nugs got Iggy.

ballbrains
10-20-2010, 04:19 PM
I think the raptors would get in after Gallo as well. Gallo for Banks or Evans,(expirings) and our 1st round pick (2011) Knicks get expiring contract and a possible top 10 pick for Denver. Colangelo AND D antoni go way back. This could happen. Toronto would take AR 2

Chronz
10-20-2010, 05:13 PM
Preferably I'd keep Chandler as he's more athletic and versatile a la Shawn Marion in his PHX days. Wil has really improved his shooting and his midrange game is one of the best in the league. He could really be the OPTIMAL complementary player to a Melo/Stat tandem in NYC.
Shawn Marion? Dont you mean Jamario Moon?

Chronz
10-20-2010, 05:13 PM
it's pretty close
Melo is just entering his prime.
I still say Melo >

Its not even close, Dirk in his decline is better than Melo of last year

KDM1986
10-20-2010, 05:44 PM
i just want this trade to happen...i mean a melo trade to anyone. grizzlies, twolves, pistons, i don't give a *****. just want this fiasco to be done...

This times a million!:clap:

arkanian215
10-20-2010, 07:23 PM
lol banged! Nothing better than a Celtics fan posing as a rival fan. Well maybe not...

lvlheaded
10-20-2010, 07:51 PM
Im just looking forward to some type of resolution to all of this. If he ends up in NY, just a huge plus :D

IBleedPurple
10-20-2010, 07:57 PM
The 4 team deal with the Nets was better than what the Knicks deal will likely get to....

NYtilIdie
10-20-2010, 08:16 PM
Knicks fans are high...Gallo being overrated by Knicks fans.

You.Have.No.Idea!!!!! They (I don't) overrate him so bad I can't even go into the Knicks forum that much anymore its so bad. If I see another damn comparison to Dirk or see another Knick fan say no to trading Gallo for Melo, i'll throw my damn laptop.

J4KOP99
10-20-2010, 08:17 PM
I understand what the Knicks want to do, but why do it? If you trade for Melo then you have what...the 5th best team in the East? MAYBE the 4th best team in the East? You are essentially what Milwaukee was last year and you gave up the future to do it.

Look...you aren't beating Miami and you are still behind Orlando and Boston so why make the move? Why give up whatever you have in the future in order to lock in to a long-term deal with Melo that essentially puts you as a 4th or 5th seed in the playoffs?

Completely agree. If i'm the knicks, I sit back and wait until the off-season. If Melo is still around and decides to test free-agency, then sign him then. Otherwise, you are hurting yourselves too much by giving up all your young talent for Carmelo Anthony.


The Knicks will not match the Heat in one season, it will take a few years of building.

LanceUpperCut
10-20-2010, 08:32 PM
Any KNicks fan who does'nt want to give up Gallo for Melo is ****ing ******** . Gallo is average at best for a superstar in Melo, ****ing come on.

tjlipford
10-20-2010, 08:53 PM
Everybody knows that Chris Paul, Carmelo and Amare are going to be playing together with the Knicks in the near future. CP and caramelos brother already made a toast to it. They will form there own big three to compete with the Heat. It's obvious to me, though if I was the Nuggets and hornets I wouldnt trade either unless I got some really good value.

Kashmir13579
10-20-2010, 10:13 PM
Shawn Marion? Dont you mean Jamario Moon?

He's really nothing like Shawn Marion. Will is also a bad fit for a D'antoni team.

Kashmir13579
10-20-2010, 10:16 PM
Andre Miller and Iverson?

Andre Miller isn't a pure PG, he's all score first. and Iverson, are you serious?

Kashmir13579
10-20-2010, 10:18 PM
Better than Felton/Douglas. And Dre' lead the league in assists one year, you forget about him?

Iverson is not a PG! and Steph Marbury nearly led the league in assists "one year"

beasted86
10-20-2010, 10:20 PM
Iverson is not a PG! and Steph Marbury nearly led the league in assists "one year"

Don't really get where you are going with that. Marbury was a great playmaker in his prime.

Iverson is a good enough playmaker to play the PG.

King P
10-20-2010, 10:23 PM
http://www.nba.com/2010/news/10/20/melo-report/index.html

Aldridge: Melo to Knicks report has 'no legs'

A league source with knowledge of the New York Knicks' thinking said on Wednesday that there were "no legs" to an ESPN.com report that the Knicks have made "significant" progress on a trade that would bring Carmelo Anthony to New York from the Denver Nuggets.

ESPN.com reported Tuesday night that the Knicks had softened their stance on including either forward Danilo Gallinari or forward Anthony Randolph in proposed deals for Anthony. Although the Nuggets supposedly didn't want either player, the Knicks, according to the report, were hoping to spin either Randolph or Gallinari into an asset from another team that the Nuggets would want, and then package that asset with a draft pick, the expiring contract of center Eddy Curry and other assets for Anthony.

But the league source said there were "no legs to that" on the Knicks' end.

Other league sources that have been involved in trade discussions with the Nuggets about Anthony in recent weeks maintained that the New Jersey Nets are still in direct talks with Denver about Anthony, though a proposed four-way trade that would have brought Anthony to the Nets last month involving New Jersey, Denver, Utah and Charlotte fell through.

One source said that though that deal died, the Nets have "never been out of the mix" in discussions about Anthony, and that Denver was still trying to figure out a way to get either forward Andrei Kirienko from Utah, Charlotte's Gerald Wallace or the 76ers' Andre Iguodala in a package for Anthony. Kirilenko was part of the original four-team deal, and would have gone to Denver.

The source indicated that the talks between the teams have become less public in the last couple of weeks to allow new Nuggets general manager Masai Ujiri time to get his team's front office in order after the team did not renew the contracts of former GM Mark Warkentein and assistant GM Rex Chapman in August, and to take pressure off of the Nets players, like rookie forward Derrick Favors and point guard Devin Harris, who had been mentioned in potential deals.

Another source that has been involved in the trade talks said Wednesday that he still believes the Nets will ultimately wind up with Anthony, who has privately asked to be traded while publicly remaining non-commital about his future. Anthony has refused to sign the three-year, $65 million extension off that the Nuggets have had on the table for months.

The Nuggets hired Pete D'Alessandro, the former assistant GM with the Warriors, as an advisor last week. D'Alessandro, an expert on the salary cap, is expected to help Denver figure out the most cap-friendly way to move Anthony. D'Alessandro was fired by the Warriors in 2008, as part of an internal struggle in Golden State.

IBleedPurple
10-21-2010, 12:17 AM
Andre Miller isn't a pure PG, he's all score first. and Iverson, are you serious?

I wouldn't say Miller is all score first......he usually is up there in assists when he gets equal playing time as other PG's

kyubi256
10-21-2010, 01:51 AM
http://cdn11.castfire.com/audio/303/2115/7279/442129/tierney_2010-10-20-164029-3957-0-0-0.64.mp3?cdn_id=15&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fprosportsdaily.com%2Fforums%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D544216%26page%3D12

Knicks are sure they can get the guy the Nuggets want and are asking the Nuggets to okay the deal to get it done. Very interesting if true

broncofangene
10-21-2010, 02:33 AM
God I hope we don't get kirilenko. I hate that douchebag more than any other NBA player overrated/overpaid.

Mudvayne91
10-21-2010, 02:38 AM
http://cdn11.castfire.com/audio/303/2115/7279/442129/tierney_2010-10-20-164029-3957-0-0-0.64.mp3?cdn_id=15&referer=http%3A%2F%2Fprosportsdaily.com%2Fforums%2 Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D544216%26page%3D12

Knicks are sure they can get the guy the Nuggets want and are asking the Nuggets to okay the deal to get it done. Very interesting if true



yeah, good listen. thanks for posting.

macc
10-21-2010, 02:53 AM
Since there is soooo much Carmelo to the Knicks rumors going around, that means they are ancient and I can cross of the Knicks as a possible team Carmelo is going to. 99.9% of the time when a player is rumored to go to a certain team, he doesn't go there.

He'll go somewhere like the Pacers or T Wolves or some team that noone thought of. Just how it works normally.

colinskik
10-21-2010, 03:00 AM
Give up Gallo to get Melo. No seconds thoughts, although they would make nice teammates. Hopefully we keep TD and/or Chandler over Randolph.

BradyIsTheMan12
10-21-2010, 04:17 AM
Andre Miller isn't a pure PG, he's all score first. and Iverson, are you serious?

What? You couldn't be more wrong about Miller, he's a terrific facilitator. He has his faults but it certainly isn't that he's a score first player. He likes to drive into the paint and either get to the line or kick it out to the open man.

kyubi256
10-21-2010, 11:04 AM
Since there is soooo much Carmelo to the Knicks rumors going around, that means they are ancient and I can cross of the Knicks as a possible team Carmelo is going to. 99.9% of the time when a player is rumored to go to a certain team, he doesn't go there.

He'll go somewhere like the Pacers or T Wolves or some team that noone thought of. Just how it works normally.

Like he'd sign an extension with the Pacers or T-Wolves... The Carmelo to Knicks can not be crossed off ever, unless he is traded to someone else... Because Melo is set on NY and won't sign an extension with just any team

GIANTKNICK
10-21-2010, 11:38 AM
nor would make sense having both.


in fact they shoudl try to keep randoilph and deal gallo and chandler

Agreed

Hustla23
10-21-2010, 11:41 AM
At this point, I'd take my chances with free agency.

We can very easily just clear the cap space to sign Anthony.

He may be losing out on some guaranteed contract money, but there is no question that a player with his "star status" in the greatest media city in the world would most likely earn him a better paycheck than guaranteed contract money ever would.

Look at guys like Jeter, Eli, Sanchez. They're made to look like superstars just because they play in New York.

Also, we'd be able to keep the pieces and either build a team with those pieces or try to pull a trade for other players.

I really hope Melo comes via free agency and not in a desperate trade.

kyubi256
10-21-2010, 12:18 PM
Well... Eli Manning is sort of a star. He is a top 10 QB in the league

sep11ie
10-21-2010, 12:18 PM
At this point, I'd take my chances with free agency.

We can very easily just clear the cap space to sign Anthony.

He may be losing out on some guaranteed contract money, but there is no question that a player with his "star status" in the greatest media city in the world would most likely earn him a better paycheck than guaranteed contract money ever would.

Look at guys like Jeter, Eli, Sanchez. They're made to look like superstars just because they play in New York.

Also, we'd be able to keep the pieces and either build a team with those pieces or try to pull a trade for other players.


I really hope Melo comes via free agency and not in a desperate trade.


Thats not showing a lot of confidence in your players.

sep11ie
10-21-2010, 12:18 PM
Well... Eli Manning is sort of a star. He is a top 10 QB in the league

Meh, borderline.

sep11ie
10-21-2010, 12:23 PM
Payton Manthing
Ben
Drew
Rodgers
Shaub
Rivers
Brady
McNabb
Eli/Romo

NYKNYGNYY
10-21-2010, 01:02 PM
yea becuase i havnt heard this since august...espn says there getting close so everyone jumps to conclusions....yet psd says he nets.....im not beliving anything just ****in stay in denver i dont care anymore

ttam68
10-21-2010, 01:03 PM
Andre Miller isn't a pure PG, he's all score first. and Iverson, are you serious?


Iverson is not a PG! and Steph Marbury nearly led the league in assists "one year"


Don't really get where you are going with that. Marbury was a great playmaker in his prime.

Iverson is a good enough playmaker to play the PG.


I wouldn't say Miller is all score first......he usually is up there in assists when he gets equal playing time as other PG's


What? You couldn't be more wrong about Miller, he's a terrific facilitator. He has his faults but it certainly isn't that he's a score first player. He likes to drive into the paint and either get to the line or kick it out to the open man.

The general discussion, which was dumb in the first place, was that Melo performed equally as well without playmakers, i.e. before Billups.

All I'm saying is, having the 2008 Iverson and many years of a terrific, facilitating (as noted above) Andre Miller wasn't anything to sneeze at. In fact, Melo has never played without an above average guard.

NYKNYGNYY
10-21-2010, 01:04 PM
Payton Manthing
Ben
Drew
Rodgers
Shaub
Rivers
Brady
McNabb
Eli/Romo

shaub in front of brady????? shaub is a good qb but hes not top 5

PlezPlayDKnicks
10-21-2010, 01:52 PM
Payton Manthing
Ben
Drew
Rodgers
Shaub
Rivers
Brady
McNabb
Eli/Romo

:facepalm:
U can't rank any Qb over Brady or Eli that hasn't won a super bowl.

beasted86
10-21-2010, 02:12 PM
The general discussion, which was dumb in the first place, was that Melo performed equally as well without playmakers, i.e. before Billups.

All I'm saying is, having the 2008 Iverson and many years of a terrific, facilitating (as noted above) Andre Miller wasn't anything to sneeze at. In fact, Melo has never played without an above average guard.

I guess you make a point. Carmelo was usually assisted on a high percentage of his baskets as follows year-to-year:

03-04: 55%
04-05: 63%
05-06: 63%
06-07: 60%
07-08: 59%

But over the past 2 seasons he has showing more and more he can still score while being assisted less and less:

08-09: 48%
09-10: 42%

arkanian215
10-21-2010, 02:29 PM
I guess you make a point. Carmelo was usually assisted on a high percentage of his baskets as follows year-to-year:

03-04: 55%
04-05: 63%
05-06: 63%
06-07: 60%
07-08: 59%

But over the past 2 seasons he has showing more and more he can still score while being assisted less and less:

08-09: 48%
09-10: 42%

Looking at some of the shot selection break downs I would guess it's from being able drive the ball better and create his own shot off the dribble more often.

ecorrea
10-21-2010, 02:44 PM
u guys see melos twitter. i think its a lock hes comin to the bulls.

http://twitter.com/carmeloanthony

ohhhh chyeaaaaa

RC3
10-21-2010, 03:08 PM
u guys see melos twitter. i think its a lock hes comin to the bulls.

http://twitter.com/carmeloanthony

ohhhh chyeaaaaa

Carmelo is always known as being the bully. Not bully as in the bulls.

VinceCarter
10-21-2010, 05:14 PM
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/10/20/1764397/aldridge-nets-in-direct-talks-for-melo

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/10/20/melo-report/index.html

sep11ie
10-21-2010, 05:46 PM
:facepalm:
U can't rank any Qb over Brady or Eli that hasn't won a super bowl.

Yes I can. I just did.

VinceCarter
10-21-2010, 05:50 PM
This isn't the football forum. :mad:

Mudvayne91
10-21-2010, 06:36 PM
If we are talkin on this years performance, old neck beard should definitely be in the top 10. Oh, and Spike Lee reporting to the Knicks about Melo is a joke. I don't care if it's true, he shouldn't have anything to do with a Melo deal, even if it's just reporting to the Knicks that they're Melo's first choice.

oak2455
10-21-2010, 06:53 PM
http://www.netsdaily.com/2010/10/20/1764397/aldridge-nets-in-direct-talks-for-melo

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/10/20/melo-report/index.html

http://www.nj.com/nets/index.ssf/2010/10/all_is_quiet_on_the_carmelo_an.html

Nets remain quiet in re-ignited Carmelo Anthony trade talks
:shrug:

oak2455
10-21-2010, 07:09 PM
According to ESPN, Varejao could be involved in a trade that is progressing with the Knicks and Nuggets. Maybe in fact it could be a three-team trade with the Knicks, Cavs, and Nuggets!


http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/2010/10/21/lebron-james-was-right-all-along-with-racist-comments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+SlamDunkCentral+(Slam+Dunk+Cent ral)

AI4MVP
10-21-2010, 07:14 PM
you know what, i would love for the knicks to get carmelo anthony. i love the city of new york. i really do. i plan to live there.

they really got ****ed over with having high hopes that lebron is going to come there.

i appreciate new york fans because i believe there some of the most faithful fans in the world, and they dont deserve to be heartrbroken again

NYK_kidd77
10-21-2010, 07:24 PM
you know what, i would love for the knicks to get carmelo anthony. i love the city of new york. i really do. i plan to live there.

they really got ****ed over with having high hopes that lebron is going to come there.

i appreciate new york fans because i believe there some of the most faithful fans in the world, and they dont deserve to be heartrbroken again

Thank you, :cry:

beasted86
10-21-2010, 07:27 PM
Looking at some of the shot selection break downs I would guess it's from being able drive the ball better and create his own shot off the dribble more often.

Agreed, but it should be no surprise that over the last 2 years his FG% has dropped in comparison to some earlier seasons.

airronijordan
10-21-2010, 07:42 PM
According to ESPN, Varejao could be involved in a trade that is progressing with the Knicks and Nuggets. Maybe in fact it could be a three-team trade with the Knicks, Cavs, and Nuggets!


http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/2010/10/21/lebron-james-was-right-all-along-with-racist-comments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+SlamDunkCentral+(Slam+Dunk+Cent ral)


Wow...this makes me laugh, why are the Nuggets interested in Varejao (he has a horrible contract)?.....and it seems like the St. Johns assistant coach was right - about 2 months ago an SJU asst. coach reported that the Knicks might wait till Dec 15 to trade ALL OF THEIR YOUNG TALENT for Billups and Melo and that the Cavs owner will do anything in his power to try to get Melo to NY, bc Gilbert will do anything to see Lebron fail in Miami

elizur
10-21-2010, 07:48 PM
Me neither

He had the Knicks as the team until the night before. Well according to the 1 million reports at the time.

beasted86
10-21-2010, 07:49 PM
Wow...this makes me laugh, why are the Nuggets interested in Varejao (he has a horrible contract)?.....and it seems like the St. Johns assistant coach was right - about 2 months ago an SJU asst. coach reported that the Knicks might wait till Dec 15 to trade ALL OF THEIR YOUNG TALENT for Billups and Melo and that the Cavs owner will do anything in his power to try to get Melo to NY, bc Gilbert will do anything to see Lebron fail in Miami

Or maybe Varejao just has an ugly contract and is expendable with Hickson as the future PF.

IBleedPurple
10-21-2010, 09:06 PM
IMO, the Nuggets would have to say no thanks to Varejao's contract

nystandup
10-21-2010, 09:22 PM
According to ESPN, Varejao could be involved in a trade that is progressing with the Knicks and Nuggets. Maybe in fact it could be a three-team trade with the Knicks, Cavs, and Nuggets!


http://www.slamdunkcentral.com/2010/10/21/lebron-james-was-right-all-along-with-racist-comments/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+SlamDunkCentral+(Slam+Dunk+Cent ral)

How reliable is this source?

oak2455
10-21-2010, 09:27 PM
How reliable is this source?

The guy at Starbucks says its true:eyebrow:

nystandup
10-21-2010, 09:35 PM
The guy at Starbucks says its true:eyebrow:

lol we need to get this guy already

NewjackNY
10-21-2010, 09:35 PM
Its not even close, Dirk in his decline is better than Melo of last year

You can't be serious!!

bklynny67
10-21-2010, 09:37 PM
:facepalm:
U can't rank any Qb over Brady or Eli that hasn't won a super bowl.

this is the most rediculous statement and i hope u wont think this is true.

so u think Eli is better than Rivers and Rodgers just cuz they haven't won a superbowl. LOL thats just hilarious.

oak2455
10-21-2010, 09:39 PM
lol we need to get this guy already

I totally agree It would be sick :D

oak2455
10-21-2010, 09:40 PM
You can't be serious!!

did she say that....shes smoking:speechless:

saintdrew
10-21-2010, 09:48 PM
Does this mean the New York Knicks will be relevant again?

oak2455
10-21-2010, 09:54 PM
Does this mean the New York Knicks will be relevant again?

it would be a start in the right direction:eyebrow:

saintdrew
10-21-2010, 10:06 PM
this is the most rediculous statement and i hope u wont think this is true.

so u think Eli is better than Rivers and Rodgers just cuz they haven't won a superbowl. LOL thats just hilarious.

Well, that's why they play the game.... is to win. Like Herm Edwards, "you play to win the game."

saintdrew
10-21-2010, 10:08 PM
it would be a start in the right direction:eyebrow:

By the way... Do you end all of your posts with this > :eyebrow:

oak2455
10-21-2010, 10:18 PM
By the way... Do you end all of your posts with this > :eyebrow:

no:D......lol

saintdrew
10-21-2010, 10:29 PM
no:D......lol

Ha... :eyebrow:

NYtilIdie
10-21-2010, 10:36 PM
Does this mean the New York Knicks will be relevant again?

Says a Hornets fan.....

saintdrew
10-21-2010, 10:40 PM
Says a Hornets fan.....

Good one NYtilIdie... Because this thread is all about the New Orleans Hornets.

What are you Knicks fans going to do if you don't get Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul? Seriously?

Oh just to warn you, I've heard the "Paul is leaving NOLA" and "New Orleans as a city sucks" --

^ So don't spit that crap at me... It won't work. :D

Mudvayne91
10-21-2010, 11:10 PM
You can
't be serious!!

I know, I was gonna say something, but my days of defending Melo are over. I guess the guy forgot Melo and my "thuggets" beat Dirk and the Mavs.

NYKnicks4511
10-21-2010, 11:11 PM
Good one NYtilIdie... Because this thread is all about the New Orleans Hornets.

What are you Knicks fans going to do if you don't get Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul? Seriously?

Oh just to warn you, I've heard the "Paul is leaving NOLA" and "New Orleans as a city sucks" --

^ So don't spit that crap at me... It won't work. :D

u MaD ?

Chill out, if we don't get Melo or CP3 then we'll continue the youth movement. Deron is a free agent in a couple years as well -- we'll have plenty of good star caliber FA's looking to play with Amare.

At the very least a mold for a championship team will be in place, 1 superstar and a good supporting cast.

NYtilIdie
10-21-2010, 11:20 PM
Good one NYtilIdie... Because this thread is all about the New Orleans Hornets.

What are you Knicks fans going to do if you don't get Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul? Seriously?

Oh just to warn you, I've heard the "Paul is leaving NOLA" and "New Orleans as a city sucks" --

^ So don't spit that crap at me... It won't work. :D

We'll just use that CAP space for other needs. Melo doesn't make or break a franchise like Lebron or Wade. Melo quite frankly is overrated and honestly I wouldn't care if we miss out on him.

With that current team, its hard not to believe that unless your new GM is serious about winning and doesn't make useless trades like Aaron Gray for Devin Brown.

DenButsu
10-21-2010, 11:32 PM
Its not even close, Dirk in his decline is better than Melo of last year

I haven't done any player to player comparisons of the 2, but I would say that in spite of Melo being age-wise far from declining, he did probably slip somewhat last season in comparison his 2008-09, especially on the defensive end.

paguy1955
10-23-2010, 07:41 PM
have watched Melo since he first got here and I must admit. MELO ALONE is not good enough to LEAD his team to a championship. AND compairing the Nuggets bench to the Knicks bench is like comparing Ivory soap to lye soap. ONe itches you the wrong way.