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x_notorious
10-19-2010, 03:49 PM
Which ace would you rather have on your favorite team?

giantspwn
10-19-2010, 03:56 PM
Lincecum.

He was better in 08 and 09. Plus, he's five years younger.

Pinstripe pride
10-19-2010, 04:13 PM
Big time timmy jim, solely because of that nickname

MinnesnowtaWild
10-19-2010, 05:31 PM
Timmy

behindmydesk
10-19-2010, 05:41 PM
Lincecum based on age, and cost control right now.

Driven
10-19-2010, 06:22 PM
Obviously Lincecum because of his age.

Sixerlover
10-19-2010, 06:24 PM
Cliff. He's a machine in the playoffs, and he beat the Yankees twice for us last year. That's worth something

hugepatsfan
10-19-2010, 06:25 PM
If I was starting a team - Timmy. If we're talking about picking a starter for 1 game - Lee.

CAIN=FUTURE
10-19-2010, 07:25 PM
I already have my guy on my favorite team :) Definitely wouldn't mind Cliff.

WrongIslander
10-19-2010, 07:37 PM
The freaky franchise for all the reasons already stated.

x_notorious
10-19-2010, 08:41 PM
What about for the next 2-3 seasons? Would your opinion change?

WrongIslander
10-19-2010, 08:51 PM
What about for the next 2-3 seasons? Would your opinion change?

The experience TL is getting now coupled with his talent, youth and hunger... I think I'd still take him ahead of Lee, JUST!

I just don't see how he doesn't improve and become just as good in the playoffs.

bagwell368
10-19-2010, 09:58 PM
LIncecum has a 3.99 ERA against the AL, meaning he is almost a run lower against the inferior NL - at 3.04.

I have never seen anyone with such extreme mechanics. As soon as he hurts his knee or his elbow or almost anything he's going to be thrown way off and possibly be badly hurt if he isn't brought back properly.

He's frail, and he's never going to last. He's already got 811 IP, and I'd be surprised if he tossed another 1000.

OTOH, Lee doesn't rely on speed that much, and has only worked 1409 IP. He looks good for another 1000-1200 to me. Lee is less then 5 years older.

I'll take my chances with Lee from today on with no conditions.

CAIN=FUTURE
10-19-2010, 10:30 PM
LIncecum has a 3.99 ERA against the AL, meaning he is almost a run lower against the inferior NL - at 3.04.

I have never seen anyone with such extreme mechanics. As soon as he hurts his knee or his elbow or almost anything he's going to be thrown way off and possibly be badly hurt if he isn't brought back properly.

He's frail, and he's never going to last. He's already got 811 IP, and I'd be surprised if he tossed another 1000.

OTOH, Lee doesn't rely on speed that much, and has only worked 1409 IP. He looks good for another 1000-1200 to me. Lee is less then 5 years older.

I'll take my chances with Lee from today on with no conditions.

Lincecum has been throwing like this since he was in his dads balls. I don't see him ever hurting himself due to his delivery. He has shown absolutley no signs of breaking down. He has gone 3 1/2 years in the Bigs with out a single DL stint, I believe.

todu82
10-20-2010, 09:03 AM
Tm Lincecum

yankeefan54
10-20-2010, 05:15 PM
LEE AL
LINCECUM NL

if the money was equal id take Lee on my yanks only because i feel like timmy is loosing stuff very fast and he wont last long in to his 30s. and i acually love linecum he is my favorite pitcher.

Gigantes4Life
10-20-2010, 05:29 PM
LIncecum has a 3.99 ERA against the AL, meaning he is almost a run lower against the inferior NL - at 3.04.

I have never seen anyone with such extreme mechanics. As soon as he hurts his knee or his elbow or almost anything he's going to be thrown way off and possibly be badly hurt if he isn't brought back properly.

He's frail, and he's never going to last. He's already got 811 IP, and I'd be surprised if he tossed another 1000.

OTOH, Lee doesn't rely on speed that much, and has only worked 1409 IP. He looks good for another 1000-1200 to me. Lee is less then 5 years older.

I'll take my chances with Lee from today on with no conditions.

I'm surprised someone like you would cherry pick stats like that. 11 games started over 4 seasons isn't much to go on. I would expect his NL/AL splits over time to be the same as every other player in the history of the game.

As for his mechanics, that's your opinion. I forget the man's name, but I remember he broke down Lincecum's mechanics (even before his great success) and compared it to the likes of Prior and showed just how much safer and efficient they were.

As for "hurting his elbow or knee," you can say that about any pitcher. There is no perfect way to throw a baseball, as they all have wear and tear on the body. His type of mechanics are unprecedented, so I suppose we'll just have to see how it plays out. These mechanics have been developed by his father for several decades now (he tried it on himself and his other son), so I'd think he understands how they work now that Lincecum has been using these exact mechanics for 15+ years.

giantspwn
10-20-2010, 11:59 PM
LIncecum has a 3.99 ERA against the AL, meaning he is almost a run lower against the inferior NL - at 3.04.

I have never seen anyone with such extreme mechanics. As soon as he hurts his knee or his elbow or almost anything he's going to be thrown way off and possibly be badly hurt if he isn't brought back properly.

He's frail, and he's never going to last. He's already got 811 IP, and I'd be surprised if he tossed another 1000.

OTOH, Lee doesn't rely on speed that much, and has only worked 1409 IP. He looks good for another 1000-1200 to me. Lee is less then 5 years older.

I'll take my chances with Lee from today on with no conditions.

You and most Dodger fans have been saying/hoping this for three years now and it's getting a bit redundant. If anything his mechanics have been proven to be one of the most efficient.

x_notorious
11-02-2010, 02:53 AM
Any changes? :D

WrongIslander
11-02-2010, 07:08 AM
Nope, pretty much nailed it. :)

Rylinkus
11-02-2010, 09:09 AM
Here's an interesting read on Lincecum's delivery.

http://www.chrisoleary.com/projects/baseball/pitching/professionalpitcheranalyses/TimLincecum.html

If you take money out of it, I'd be apt to pick Lee. Obviously you're splitting hairs, as both are great pitchers. I'd feel a bit more comfortable with the AL proven pitcher, the lefty, and the guy with the motion that is most likely a safer bet to keep him healthy.

DerekRE_3
11-03-2010, 12:28 AM
I want the guy that just beat the other guy twice in the World Series.

Saint Brian
11-03-2010, 07:44 AM
Timmy Lincecum

flea
11-03-2010, 07:49 AM
Yeah I'm surprised bagwell gave that stat as well, considering he's usually a guy that's aware of sample size issues. I've seen nothing to indicate Lincecum is going to break down. Body size isn't a tell-all factor and who knows about a guy with his type of flexibility. He doesn't rely on his speed as much anymore and he developed a slider that he now uses extensively just this season. He's become a 4-pitch threat, he just had a great postseason, and his pitchability is just as good as Lee's (which says a lot). I'd take Lincecum in this scenario because of age.

MrJones
11-04-2010, 07:14 PM
Timmy

stejay
11-08-2010, 11:27 AM
Easily Lincecum

Lincecum4CY
11-09-2010, 08:54 PM
Tim Lincecum.

charger fan
11-13-2010, 09:16 AM
its not even close he just beat lowe haladay twice lee twice and the phillies and rangers had superior lineups

Metsfan98
03-15-2011, 07:47 PM
Tim Lincecum for sure but Cliff Lee is still close.