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GA16Angels
10-19-2010, 01:44 AM
So I know I'm going to get a ton **** for making this thread before the playoffs are even done, but I'm a baseball fan whose team is not in the playoffs, so I kind of can't wait for the off-season. Here are my predictions for the top 65 FAs:

Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Dodgers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels (Call me biased)
Johnny Damon- Cubs
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will be a FA to start the season
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Phillies
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Tigers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- White Sox

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered and signs with the Nationals
*Zach Greinke traded to Yankees
*Prince Fielder Traded to Yankees (3-Way Deal)
*Juan Rivera is traded to the Padres
*Jacoby Ellsbury is traded to the Reds
*Russell Martin traded to Rangers

Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox
Italics= Re-Signed

i.got.the.nutz
10-19-2010, 01:51 AM
Cliff Lee will be a Yankee in 2011.

raidersrock99
10-19-2010, 02:19 AM
to early, but i dont think uribe will be in a giants uni. and mark my words giants will get a big bat!

SFGiants4life
10-19-2010, 02:29 AM
to early, but i dont think uribe will be in a giants uni. and mark my words giants will get a big bat!

no happening

sabean will kick the tires and be satisfied with the same line up minus a couple such as guillen and fontenot

DodgerB24
10-19-2010, 02:32 AM
Hold on, since when will Mcdouchbag spend money on the team and go after Dunn? Do you know something I don't?

Jack of Blades
10-19-2010, 02:34 AM
Lee will stay in Texas IMO. Texas is the best team in the Majors, also just IMO, and Texas can afford almost anything he'll ask for too.

MelanconMadness
10-19-2010, 02:39 AM
Lee will go to the Yankees. Hes already in his 30s, and he can get paid and have a chance to win. Theres no team that can come remoltely close to paying Lee what he wants other than the Yankees

2009mvp
10-19-2010, 02:58 AM
What the hell would the Jays do with Orlando Cabrera?

Also, I'd love to hear what the Yankees traded to get Zack Greinke AND Prince Fielder.

Jack of Blades
10-19-2010, 03:05 AM
Lee will go to the Yankees. Hes already in his 30s, and he can get paid and have a chance to win. Theres no team that can come remoltely close to paying Lee what he wants other than the Yankees

1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

StealingSigns
10-19-2010, 03:53 AM
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StealingSigns
10-19-2010, 03:57 AM
Orlando Cabrera :laugh:

ChongInc.
10-19-2010, 03:59 AM
The jays won't waist draft picks. Don't expect them to sign anyone that is type A or type B

ChongInc.
10-19-2010, 04:00 AM
Yanks want 3 aces. They'll give lee what ever he wants.

Jeffy25
10-19-2010, 04:18 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Angels
Adam Dunn- Cubs
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- D'Backs
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Orioles

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Cardinals
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Miguel Tejada- A's

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Astros, and it would be stupid if it happened
Johnny Damon- Yanks
Pat Burrell- Royals
Manny Ramirez- White Sox
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- No where
Brad Hawpe- Red Sox
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Angels
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Dodgers
Rich Harden- Orioles
Hiroki Kuroda- Nationals
Kevin Millwood- Astros
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- D'Backs
Brandon Webb- Yankees
Chris Young- Jays

I just eyeballed this, didn't take much time to think about it, and just put something up.

Roy31
10-19-2010, 04:20 AM
I'm guessing the Mariners won't be too active and they won't be throwing money around after they got burned last offseason.

DamnGoat
10-19-2010, 04:27 AM
So I know I'm going to get a ton **** for making this thread before the playoffs are even done, but I'm a baseball fan whose team is not in the playoffs, so I kind of can't wait for the off-season. Here are my predictions for the top 65 FAs:

Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Dodgers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels (Call me biased)
Johnny Damon- Cubs
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will be a FA to start the season
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Phillies
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Tigers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- White Sox

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered and signs with the Nationals
*Zach Greinke traded to Yankees
*Prince Fielder Traded to Yankees (3-Way Deal)
*Juan Rivera is traded to the Padres
*Jacoby Ellsbury is traded to the Reds
*Russell Martin traded to Rangers

Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox
Italics= Re-Signed
I just think it's odd you have Johnny Damon going to the Cubs when we already have big money committed to Soriano & Fukudome, plus Byrd & Colvin...that makes for 4 starting caliber OF's. Just doesn't make any sense to consider someone like Damon.

I don't get the Javier Vasquez to the Cubs signing either. If the Cubs sign anyone it's probably Adam Dunn since it's the only open spot offensively. After that I doubt they do anything else unless it's a trade.

bullocks
10-19-2010, 04:32 AM
Lee will stay in Texas IMO. Texas is the best team in the Majors, also just IMO, and Texas can afford almost anything he'll ask for too.

I think your day dreaming if you think Lee will stay in Texas. Also Texas being the best team is also debatable.

BlueJayFanDan
10-19-2010, 04:48 AM
Orlando Cabrera to the Jays lol? So what are we gonna do with newly acquired Yunel Escobar? Cabrera will be on a team with an actual need at SS. Jays are gonna be in the market for a 3rd baseman or outfielder or possibly DH, 1-2 bullpen arms and maybe one of those closers (hopefully Soriano). Btw there is no way the Rays keep Carlos Pena. If they do I will email you 50 dollars or something.

el_primo_nano
10-19-2010, 08:31 AM
Prince to the Yankees.. Lol:facepalm: ahhhh. amusing.
I have a strong feeling that if Texas doesnt get to the WS he may come to the Yanks.. Beltre probably isnt going back to the Bosox

Dark Donnie
10-19-2010, 09:02 AM
1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

I read he wants 6 years $134 Million. Rangers have to sign Hamilton, Cruz etc. Don't see that working out for them.

todu82
10-19-2010, 09:26 AM
Going to be interesting to see what happens with Carl Crawford. I'd like to see Boston make a play for him.

Madtown22
10-19-2010, 10:51 AM
No Brainer, Cliff Lee he is an animal in the playoffs

hustleloyrspct
10-19-2010, 11:34 AM
believe it or not the orioles are gonna go after a top bat either dunn, beltre, lee, konerko, or pena will be an oriole not to mention one of the starting pitchers

Eagles4Lyfe
10-19-2010, 11:51 AM
Lee will stay in Texas IMO. Texas is the best team in the Majors, also just IMO, and Texas can afford almost anything he'll ask for too.
??? What??? No their not, phillies are better than them

ATL#22
10-19-2010, 11:56 AM
Lee will stay in Texas IMO. Texas is the best team in the Majors, also just IMO, and Texas can afford almost anything he'll ask for too.

Dude zip up your pants your homer is showing. Why do you think Texas can afford Lee? They are borrowing money from other teams. Get out dude.

SouthSideRookie
10-19-2010, 12:18 PM
Cliff Lee will be a Yankee in 2011.

I agree, this reminds me alot of the Carlos Beltran situation when he played for the Astros. He was GOD in the playoffs for them (Cody Ross has nothing on Beltran from that postseason) and Houston suprisingly made a very fair offer and the Mets decided to be stupid and outbid the Astros. Beltran ended up in NY which many predicted would happen.


no happening

sabean will kick the tires and be satisfied with the same line up minus a couple such as guillen and fontenot

I hate when organizations do this, they have really good pitching and that makes them think that pitching will always give them a chance, which it does but not to win it all.

Mr.NYY3
10-19-2010, 12:34 PM
Cliff Lee - Yankees
Carl Crawford - Yankees
Rafeal Soriano - Yankees (maybe but doubtful)
Kerry Wood - Yankees

If Lee doesnt sign with Yankees will trade for Zach Greinke.

Young2Kinsler
10-19-2010, 12:34 PM
Dude zip up your pants your homer is showing. Why do you think Texas can afford Lee? They are borrowing money from other teams. Get out dude.

Hey, June wants their news back. Texas hasn't been borrowing money since they have a new owner, have you been living under a rock? Not to mentioned, they just signed one of the biggest TV deals in baseball @ 80 million per year.

If Texas wants to be BIG spenders and get in a bidding war on Lee then they most certainly have the funds to do so.

ZioAx
10-19-2010, 12:54 PM
Beltre wont be back with the Sox. Werth is the most likely new comer.

Pierzynski4Prez
10-19-2010, 01:01 PM
AJ pierzynski not going anywhere

theslick1
10-19-2010, 01:14 PM
Beltre wont be back with the Sox. Werth is the most likely new comer.

I assume you would know, but why go after Werth when they they a crowded OF and not go hard after Beltre?

theslick1
10-19-2010, 01:16 PM
Cliff Lee - Yankees
Carl Crawford - Yankees
Rafeal Soriano - Yankees (maybe but doubtful)
Kerry Wood - Yankees

If Lee doesnt sign with Yankees will trade for Zach Greinke.

The only one of those four who ends up in pinstripes will be Lee. I think Crawford goes to the Angels and Soriano and Wood will get more money from teams in search of closers.

As for Greinke, anyone with anxiety issues from pitching in Kansas City is not a good fit in New York.

ritz
10-19-2010, 01:19 PM
Beltre wont be back with the Sox. Werth is the most likely new comer.

Werth will rake at Fenway.

Karlos49
10-19-2010, 01:21 PM
Some of these are pretty obsurd...Damon will not be a Yankee in '11

But I could realistically see Jayson Werth in a sox uniform next year

TheNatural797
10-19-2010, 01:45 PM
As good as he is.. I DO NOT WANT ZACK GREINKE ON THE YANKEES!!!!!! He's a basket-case.. when he sees the bright lights and loud noises he's gonna go crazy..

ZioAx
10-19-2010, 01:51 PM
I assume you would know, but why go after Werth when they they a crowded OF and not go hard after Beltre?

Crowded OF but lacks a big bat. Ideally they would ship Ellsbury out in another deal (Agon?), that or get rid of Cameron who could still be a 4th OF. Drew said he could retire at the end of next season, Werth is a good option to have out there along with Kalish.

It was shaping up for a one and done year with the Sox. He is going to make bank and its not likely that the Sox are going to want to sign him to a big contract, let some other team overpay for him. They still have Lowrie to fall back on. Theo still wants Gonzo, then Youk goes to 3rd if he pulls it off.

McKinnon91
10-19-2010, 02:04 PM
So I know I'm going to get a ton **** for making this thread before the playoffs are even done, but I'm a baseball fan whose team is not in the playoffs, so I kind of can't wait for the off-season. Here are my predictions for the top 65 FAs:

Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Dodgers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels (Call me biased)
Johnny Damon- Cubs
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will be a FA to start the season
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Phillies
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Tigers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- White Sox

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered and signs with the Nationals
*Zach Greinke traded to Yankees
*Prince Fielder Traded to Yankees (3-Way Deal)
*Juan Rivera is traded to the Padres
*Jacoby Ellsbury is traded to the Reds
*Russell Martin traded to Rangers

Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox
Italics= Re-Signed

How Will the Yankees get Grienke and Fielder? what is left of their farm system

sexicano31
10-19-2010, 02:10 PM
Dude zip up your pants your homer is showing. Why do you think Texas can afford Lee? They are borrowing money from other teams. Get out dude.

New owner thats not bankrupt

Also for the people that say Greinke, he said one time this year that he either wont play for the yankees or cant pitch in new york, so good luck with all that

sexicano31
10-19-2010, 02:11 PM
Werth will rake at Fenway.

Eh, Werth gets alot of oppo hits

cantstopthee
10-19-2010, 02:11 PM
the tigers dont want podsednik

C1Bman88
10-19-2010, 02:19 PM
As good as he is.. I DO NOT WANT ZACK GREINKE ON THE YANKEES!!!!!! He's a basket-case.. when he sees the bright lights and loud noises he's gonna go crazy..

Phenomenal assessment of the intricacies of anxiety disorders. I take it you're a clinical psychologist, or you've experienced social anxiety before?

NateyB24
10-19-2010, 02:22 PM
1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

The way hes pitching good luck competing with the Yankees sure the Rangers have more money from the new TV deal but you have to remember your not going to have a huge payroll this year there paying off the bankruptcy with some of that money besides Yankees would do something like that its there M.O lol.

Not a huge fan of Hideki Matsui i wouldn't mind the sign if hes cheap but looking at him playing for the Angels look like the small ball park in Yankee stadium helped him and now his power is going down. We do need protection for the young guys we will be playing next year though.

zambo4president
10-19-2010, 02:23 PM
Yeah, I bet that's the Cubs big plan. Johnny Damon. Not like our outfield isn't currently occupied by 3 considerably better players or anything.

Ty Fast
10-19-2010, 07:14 PM
Cliff Lee will be a Yankee in 2011.

i hope not

hugepatsfan
10-19-2010, 07:19 PM
I think Pettite is retiring. That means that the Yankees will go that much harder after Lee. I think they'll give him more per year than CC if that's what it takes. I expect TEX to trade for Grienke to save some money and still have an ace. That would also allow them to work out extensions with more of their other guys (Cruz, Hamilton, Andrus, Wilson, etc.).

ShinobiNYC
10-19-2010, 07:38 PM
Yanks want 3 aces. They'll give lee what ever he wants.

Who's the 3rd ace?

Madtown22
10-19-2010, 07:39 PM
Where is Crawford going to end up. if lee goes to the Yankee's I am going to be pist.

theslick1
10-19-2010, 07:42 PM
Where is Crawford going to end up. if lee goes to the Yankee's I am going to be pist.

I think Crawford will end up with the Angels. As far as Lee goes, prepare to be "pist."

NYY NYJ NYK
10-19-2010, 07:51 PM
How Will the Yankees get Grienke and Fielder? what is left of their farm system

The better question is why will the Yankees trade for Fielder. They have Teix at 1st base. And they don't want a permanent DH

DodgerB24
10-19-2010, 07:52 PM
Who's the 3rd ace?

Burnett?

*Tries not to laugh*

samevans7
10-19-2010, 07:54 PM
1. Lee would be a yankee.
2. no way ells goes to CIN unless votto comes back
3. Why would the yankees trade for Fielder?! they have Teixiera, and could find much more affordable DH's (like Kubel) than Fielder

NYYCowboys
10-19-2010, 07:57 PM
Cliff Lee will be a Yankee next season.


/thread

samevans7
10-19-2010, 08:00 PM
1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

Every team has a limited payroll. However, you can go over it and pay a luxary tax, like the Yankees have done for the past 10 years.

And no ****ing way can the Rangers match the Yankees. The only team that can match to a limit is Boston and the Cubs. The Rangers, actually, will struggle to afford him.


Lee wants to sign with a winner for lots of money. he wont win in chicago, and wont be paid lots in texas. boston overpayed for a SP last year, wont do it again. The Yanks will have Cliff Lee; nuff said

SouljahPhil...
10-19-2010, 08:05 PM
Cliff Lee would be a yankee
Werth a sox
Crawford an angel or tiger
Soriano goes to whoever overpays him

As for Prince fielder going to the yanks that is horrible..

With montero ready for next year..He and Posada would switch at times with the DH spot before he take full time catching duties..By start of season yanks would go for a cheap DH..

samevans7
10-19-2010, 08:06 PM
Cliff Lee would be a yankee
Werth a sox
Crawford an angel or tiger
Soriano goes to whoever overpays him

As for Prince fielder going to the yanks that is horrible..

With montero ready for next year..He and Posada would switch at times with the DH spot before he take full time catching duties..By start of season yanks would go for a cheap DH..

im good with this.....


imo Kubel would be sick for the Yanks.... platoon RF/ DH

Kenny Powders
10-19-2010, 08:31 PM
The Jays have absolutely no use for Cabrerra or any shortstop for that matter. We have more glaring holes. Third base, first base, and bullpen. To name a few. If you are going to do this type of list you should maybe do some research. It's hard to decide what every teams strengths and weaknesses are.

rkelly7
10-19-2010, 08:49 PM
Cliff Lee will be a Yankee in 2011.

That's what everyone thinks, I don't, they want him, but can they get him?

samevans7
10-19-2010, 08:52 PM
HEY, I THINK THE CARDS WILL GOT TRADE FOR FIELDER!!
Beltre will be with the Rays
Crawford will be in Milwaukee
Cliff Lee will be in Florida

and what im writing is complete ****

LakersA's49ers
10-19-2010, 09:01 PM
lol nice one samevans. haha

NYY NYJ NYK
10-19-2010, 09:32 PM
I would be surprised if Beltre doesn't resign with the Red Sox. He was great this year.

Giraffes Rule
10-19-2010, 09:51 PM
I can't see Lance Berkman signing with the Diamondbacks. He should go to a team with a hitter friendly park, preferably in the AL where he can play first and DH.

matnautico
10-19-2010, 09:53 PM
Beltre is not coming back, Theo will go for a 1B and move Youk to 3B.
Probably he will sign Werth but i would love to see Crawford in Boston
Jacoby-Pedey-Crawford would be insane as a 1-2-3
I think Epstein will resign Ortiz and V-Mart
And bring one arm to the pen probably try Soriano but it is hard.

GA16Angels
10-20-2010, 12:40 AM
What the hell would the Jays do with Orlando Cabrera?

Also, I'd love to hear what the Yankees traded to get Zack Greinke AND Prince Fielder.

I don't think the Jays would bring him on as a starting player, more as a back-up middle infielder. Also, I wouldn't count on the Reds offering Cabrera arbitration, so therefore it wouldn't cost them a draft pick. As for Greinke and Fielder, that was like a last minute blurb I put in. Since I think Lee is going to the Rangers I figured the Yankees would try to get another starter that would be close in comparison to Lee. I originally had Werth going to the Yankees and Fielder going to the Red Sox, but that wouldn't have made sense for the Red Sox as they would have David Ortiz, Kevin Youkilis, Adrian Beltre, and Fielder. If the Red Sox don't re-sign Beltre, I would guess that the Red sox would then trade for Fielder, but I doubt that will happen. Do I honestly think the Yankees can get both Fielder and Greinke? No, but that's where I thought they fit.

EDIT: Also, I made this thread so I could see what other people's predictions were, not so people would judge whether mine were right or wrong.

GA16Angels
10-20-2010, 12:47 AM
Yeah, I bet that's the Cubs big plan. Johnny Damon. Not like our outfield isn't currently occupied by 3 considerably better players or anything.

Like with Cabrera, I don't think the Cubs will sign Damon as a starting outfielder. I think he'll be a safety net in case anyone gets injured or if Colvin doesn't do as well as everyone thinks he will. Also, I think the Cubs will get Adam LaRoche, I just didn't put him on there because I don't think he's a top FA.

boomheadshot45
10-20-2010, 12:53 AM
Beltre is not coming back, Theo will go for a 1B and move Youk to 3B.
Probably he will sign Werth but i would love to see Crawford in Boston
Jacoby-Pedey-Crawford would be insane as a 1-2-3
I think Epstein will resign Ortiz and V-Mart
And bring one arm to the pen probably try Soriano but it is hard.
Crawford is not a good investment for any team IMO other than the Yankees who can allow such contract. For the next 1-2 years yes, but for the other 4-5 years left on his contract he will horrible for the cost. He's going to lose his speed which he relies on heavily.

I would be surprised if Beltre doesn't resign with the Red Sox. He was great this year.
The BoSox don't wanna overpay him like the team that will sign him will. And their main target for next year is A-Gon so no point in getting a big 3B when you can just move Youk over to 3B once they get A-Gon.

oak2455
10-20-2010, 12:59 AM
does Bosox fan troll in other forums besides the Yankees?? get a life...

Bo Sox Fan
10-20-2010, 01:01 AM
F.A.s that affect my Red Sox:

Cliff Lee - Resigns in Texas (Nolan Ryan matches the Yankees offer with the added $30 million to the Rangers 2011 payroll, signing somewhere between $20-$23 million/per)

Jayson Werth - Boston Red Sox

Adrian Beltre - L.A. Angels

Victor Martinez - Resigns in Boston (An offer was already proposed 2 weeks prior to the post-season, negotiations will continue into the off-season where a deal will eventually be hammered out)

Carl Crawford - L.A. Angels (Like w/ Beltre, the Angels are willing to spend big this off-season)

Adam Dunn - New York Yankees (Puts an end to there DH problem, Johnson/Berkman/Thames etc...)

Rafael Soriano - Baltimore Orioles (Believe it or not, but there willing to spend)

Scott Downs - Boston Red Sox

Kerry Wood - Tampa Bay Rays (Back to being a closer, coming at a cheaper price tag than Soriano)

samevans7
10-20-2010, 06:40 AM
I would be surprised if Beltre doesn't resign with the Red Sox. He was great this year.

The Sox would love to have Beltre, but he is seeking a 4 year, $80 mil contract that Boston will most likely not go for.

J-Loco
10-20-2010, 07:28 AM
So I know I'm going to get a ton **** for making this thread before the playoffs are even done, but I'm a baseball fan whose team is not in the playoffs, so I kind of can't wait for the off-season. Here are my predictions for the top 65 FAs:

Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Dodgers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels (Call me biased)
Johnny Damon- Cubs
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will be a FA to start the season
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Phillies
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Tigers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- White Sox

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered and signs with the Nationals
*Zach Greinke traded to Yankees
*Prince Fielder Traded to Yankees (3-Way Deal)
*Juan Rivera is traded to the Padres
*Jacoby Ellsbury is traded to the Reds
*Russell Martin traded to Rangers

Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox
Italics= Re-Signed

Greinke would be a nightmare in NY IMO.

J-Loco
10-20-2010, 07:33 AM
That's what everyone thinks, I don't, they want him, but can they get him?

Please remind me of the last time the Yankees were outbid on a player that they REALLY wanted. The Yankees will blow the Lee negotiations out of the water on day 1 they will offer an insane amount of money and years and no one will even counter with anything close.

J-Loco
10-20-2010, 07:34 AM
Werth will rake at Fenway.

My 12 year old son would rake at Fenway.

J-Loco
10-20-2010, 07:42 AM
Hey, June wants their news back. Texas hasn't been borrowing money since they have a new owner, have you been living under a rock? Not to mentioned, they just signed one of the biggest TV deals in baseball @ 80 million per year.

If Texas wants to be BIG spenders and get in a bidding war on Lee then they most certainly have the funds to do so.

I think that signing Hamilton and company will be of equal importance. I don't think that the Rangers will get into a bidding war with the Yankees. They are saying a lot of things because they are the new owners of the team. They still owe A-Rod a butt load of money too. I will believe that the Rangers are going to spend money and compete with the Yankees when they actually do it not when they talk about doing it. They want to bring their fans back next year.

JOSKOMANG4
10-20-2010, 09:06 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Tigers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Cubs
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Astros
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Mets(only if we part ways w/Castillo)

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Reds
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (No club option; new contract 4yr 36mill)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Astros(welcome home;Move Carlos Lee)
Johnny Damon- Yankees(2yr deal)
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- White Sox
Scott Podsednik- Dodgers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Yankees(hate 2 say it but especially if Pettitte retires, he's there)
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Braves
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- RETIRES
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- ROyals
Chris Young- D Backs

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- METS
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- METS
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Rays

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered but re-ups w/ the WhiteSox
*Zach Greinke traded to the Dodgers
*Prince Fielder is traded to the Blue Jays for Pitching prospect Drabek & others

scottythegreat1
10-20-2010, 11:22 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Blue Jays (they need him more than they think)
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Yankees
Derek Lee- Cubs
Carlos Pena- Dodgers
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals
Miguel Tejada- Orioles

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- ?????
Derek Jeter (and Bob Sheppard) - Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Yankees (No Joke)
Johnny Damon- Tigers
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will retire when he realizes he cant get anymore big money
Johnny Gomes- Dodgers

Centerfield-
Scott (and Lisa) Podsednik - Reds

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Phillies
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Tigers
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Red Sox

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Angels

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Yankees
Bronson Arroyo- Cubs
Jon Garland- Tigers
Rich Harden- Rangers
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Goes to Japan to play
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Diamondbacks
Brandon Webb- Braves
Chris Young- Reds

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Mets
Jesse Crain- Angels
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Phillies
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Red Sox
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Rays
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Blue Jays
Frank Francisco- Phillies
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Blue Jays
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Tigers

Blockbuster trade of the offseason:
Joe Mauer traded to the Yankees for 2 top prospects and 3 middle level prospects I know they have had good attendance figures this season, but I just dont see the Twins maintaining a 97 million payroll, theyre going to be cutting back this offseason.

Mopped_you
10-20-2010, 11:31 AM
Yankees off-season motto - "If you can't beat him, buy him".

Lee will be a Yankee, unless the Rangers win the World Series which is very possible.

theslick1
10-20-2010, 12:54 PM
Yankees off-season motto - "If you can't beat him, buy him".

Lee will be a Yankee, unless the Rangers win the World Series which is very possible.

Says the fan of the team that bought Cliff Lee last year.

heathonater
10-20-2010, 12:57 PM
im sure nolan ryan will do everything they can to retain lee, but if the yanks do end up losing to texas, which seems inevitable now, they will need to address their starting pitching. lee's performances these past two postseasons will make the yanks want to outbid everyone for lee's services. due to their immense resources, they should be able to offer lee a contract he cant refuse, unless lee feels that money is not the most important factor and wants to build something special in texas.

hugepatsfan
10-20-2010, 02:24 PM
The Yankees need to add a #2 starter and Cashman knows it. The thing is, there are no #2 starters on the FA market. There is Lee and then a bunch of 4/5 starters. So Lee is the only guy that is good enough to be a #2 (or better, in Lee's case). I expect him to make a real hard push at Lee. He may decide to go back to Texas, but I guarantee you that if he does (which is very possible), I guarantee you that he will leave money on the table in doing so.

sexicano31
10-20-2010, 02:35 PM
Says the fan of the team that bought Cliff Lee last year.

Trading a bunch of middling specs= buying a player? Damn didnt know it was the same as throwing 20 mil at the guy :rolleyes:

ritz
10-20-2010, 02:52 PM
My 12 year old son would rake at Fenway.

Well damn. I'd be really interested to see what your son could do at NYS.

schilling
10-20-2010, 03:03 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Dodgers
John Buck- Marlins
A.J. Pierzynski- Red Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Rangers
Adam Dunn- Braves
Derek Lee- Royals
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Mets

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Astros
Orlando Cabrera- Orioles
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Cubs
Johnny Damon- Tigers
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Indians
Scott Podsednik- Rockies
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Phillies
Jermaine Dye- Rays
Brad Hawpe- Angels
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Dodgers
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Cardinals
Hiroki Kuroda- Yankees
Kevin Millwood- Rangers
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Yankees
Chris Young- Cardinals

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Phillies
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Marlins
Matt Guerrier- Phillies
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Yankees
Dan Wheeler- Royals
Pedro Feliciano- Diamondbacks
Aurthur Rhodes- Nationals
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Braves
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Mets
Brian Fuentes- Rockies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

*Phillies trade Ibanez with extras to an AL team for a cheap, low end starter for cap space for Werth.
*Prince Fielder is traded to Toronto
*Red Sox trade Daisuke Matsuzaka to the West Coast; trade for Zack Grienke

samevans7
10-20-2010, 03:07 PM
Blockbuster trade of the offseason:
Joe Mauer traded to the Yankees for 2 top prospects and 3 middle level prospects I know they have had good attendance figures this season, but I just dont see the Twins maintaining a 97 million payroll, theyre going to be cutting back this offseason.

1. Why would the Twins trade someone they just gave a huge extention for, in the SAME YEAR?!

2. IF the Twins were to put Mauer on the market, only a few teams have the prospects to get him: Atlanta, Kansas City, Tampa Bay, and Boston. Atlanta has a catcher in McCann, so they wont. Kansas City and Tampa can't afford Mauer's contract, so they're out. Boston would be the most likely place to go. They have the prospects and the money to make that deal go.

But Mauer won't be traded, so it's pointless.

And yes, Yankee fans, the Sox have a much better farm system than you. The Yanks #3 prospect is the Sox's #8 or #9.

BoSox47
10-20-2010, 03:21 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Dodgers
John Buck- Marlins
A.J. Pierzynski- Red Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Rangers
Adam Dunn- Braves
Derek Lee- Royals
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Mets

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Astros
Orlando Cabrera- Orioles
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Cubs
Johnny Damon- Tigers
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Indians
Scott Podsednik- Rockies
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Phillies
Jermaine Dye- Rays
Brad Hawpe- Angels
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Dodgers
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Cardinals
Hiroki Kuroda- Yankees
Kevin Millwood- Rangers
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Yankees
Chris Young- Cardinals

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Phillies
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Marlins
Matt Guerrier- Phillies
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Yankees
Dan Wheeler- Royals
Pedro Feliciano- Diamondbacks
Aurthur Rhodes- Nationals
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Braves
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Mets
Brian Fuentes- Rockies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

*Phillies trade Ibanez with extras to an AL team for a cheap, low end starter for cap space for Werth.
*Prince Fielder is traded to Toronto
*Red Sox trade Daisuke Matsuzaka to the West Coast; trade for Zack Grienke

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

One of Carl Crawford and jayson werth if not both with be on either Red Sox, Yankees or Angels
Adrian Beltre just had a child and wants to return to the west coast with his family plus red sox have other implications such as C, DH, bullpen, outfielder (Carl Crawford, or Jayson Werth) to have the money to sign beltre hwo will be looking for a huge deal. Daisuke will not go to the royals, He will get no coverage over there and has a NTC i believe but is believed that he will go to a west coast team, specifically Seattle. Zack Grienke has anxiety problems would not fair well in fenway. Victor martinez would be re-signed over A.J coming in as the new catcher. A.J is 33 on the downside of his career, Victor is 31, more likely John Buck.

If the yankees dont throw 22-25 million a year at Cliff Lee the red sox will, no chance Rangers can match that.

Who exactly is going is going to take Raul Ibanez at 38 years old for 12 millions dollars a year when they can just go out and sign Jayson werth to a similar deal maybe 1 or 2 million dollars more a year? Considering the only teams who will be in contention for Werth are teams that wouldnt be afraid to spend the extra million or two on Werth.

BoognishMN
10-20-2010, 03:47 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Blue Jays (they need him more than they think)
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Yankees
Derek Lee- Cubs
Carlos Pena- Dodgers
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals
Miguel Tejada- Orioles

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- ?????
Derek Jeter (and Bob Sheppard) - Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Yankees (No Joke)
Johnny Damon- Tigers
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will retire when he realizes he cant get anymore big money
Johnny Gomes- Dodgers

Centerfield-
Scott (and Lisa) Podsednik - Reds

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Phillies
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Tigers
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Red Sox

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Angels

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Yankees
Bronson Arroyo- Cubs
Jon Garland- Tigers
Rich Harden- Rangers
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Goes to Japan to play
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Diamondbacks
Brandon Webb- Braves
Chris Young- Reds

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Mets
Jesse Crain- Angels
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Phillies
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Red Sox
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Rays
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Blue Jays
Frank Francisco- Phillies
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Blue Jays
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Tigers

Blockbuster trade of the offseason:
Joe Mauer traded to the Yankees for 2 top prospects and 3 middle level prospects I know they have had good attendance figures this season, but I just dont see the Twins maintaining a 97 million payroll, theyre going to be cutting back this offseason.

So your telling me after the Twins signed the best Catcher in MLB, who happens to be MN native who wants to play for the Twins and grew up in St Paul, and are using his contract as an example to the fans of what the new stadium means to MN and sold out every game this season and are well on their way to selling out next year, their going to trade Mauer for prospects? Are you ****ing high, that may be the stupidiest statment I have ever read on PSD, which is like being the fattest person from Mississippi or the dumbest person with down syndrom.

Other thoughts:
Grienke would be a disaster in NY
Dunn goes to the AL to play DH
Dito for Berkman
Crawford gets way overpaid-will be talked about as the worst contract in baseball after his legs go.
Lee to NY

Jack of Blades
10-20-2010, 03:51 PM
I don't believe Lee is going anywhere.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/texas-rangers/post/_/id/4855300/world-series-ring-would-ease-cliff-lees-decision

Phillies4life1
10-20-2010, 03:57 PM
prince not movin
Lee- Yanks, rangers or Redsox
Zack G- Rangers(if Lose lee) Twins, Mets
Crawford-Angles, Redsox
Werth-Phillies, Redsox, Angles
Beltre- Twins, Braves, Angles
Scott Downs-Phillies
Soriano- A's or Braves
Adam Dunn-Cubs

i could see phillies gettin manny for cheap maybe if they lose werth

J-Loco
10-20-2010, 04:05 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Dodgers
John Buck- Marlins
A.J. Pierzynski- Red Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Rangers
Adam Dunn- Braves
Derek Lee- Royals
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Mets

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Astros
Orlando Cabrera- Orioles
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Cubs
Johnny Damon- Tigers
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Indians
Scott Podsednik- Rockies
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Phillies
Jermaine Dye- Rays
Brad Hawpe- Angels
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Dodgers
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Cardinals
Hiroki Kuroda- Yankees
Kevin Millwood- Rangers
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Yankees
Chris Young- Cardinals

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Phillies
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Marlins
Matt Guerrier- Phillies
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Yankees
Dan Wheeler- Royals
Pedro Feliciano- Diamondbacks
Aurthur Rhodes- Nationals
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Braves
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Mets
Brian Fuentes- Rockies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

*Phillies trade Ibanez with extras to an AL team for a cheap, low end starter for cap space for Werth.
*Prince Fielder is traded to Toronto
*Red Sox trade Daisuke Matsuzaka to the West Coast; trade for Zack Grienke

Hmmmm please tell me what uber prospect the Red Sox have that wouls land Greinke?

MinnesnowtaWild
10-20-2010, 04:17 PM
I really want the Twins to pick up Greinke...really need a number 1 guy.

samevans7
10-20-2010, 04:23 PM
Hmmmm please tell me what uber prospect the Red Sox have that wouls land Greinke?

1. Sox aren't going after Greinke.

2. If they wanted to get him, cost not an issue, than Kelly, Westmoreland, Kalish, Doubrunt, Anderson, Rizzo, Iglesias, Vitek are all top rated prospects, most of which are better than the Yanks prospects

hugepatsfan
10-20-2010, 04:24 PM
I don't believe Lee is going anywhere.

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/texas-rangers/post/_/id/4855300/world-series-ring-would-ease-cliff-lees-decision

That quote doesn't mean ****. Players lie all the time and always say they want to stay.

I think they will have to meet with him like NBA teams did LBJ. All those team laid out a 5 year plan to Lebron on who they were planning to sign and stuff like that. Lee said himself in that quote that Texas looks like they will be good for "a little while." Texas will have to lay out a plan for Lee on what they are going to do w/ the other young guys.

Expect Hamilton to get a deal of at least 17 mil per year (and that's probably too low). He and Lee would combine for about 40 mil moving forward. Lee is going to get a 6 year deal. In that time, Nelson Cruz, Michael Young, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, etc. will all be up for FA.

Texas needs to convince Lee that they will be able to keep/adequately replace those guys. If they can do that, I think he'll stay. If not, he's a Yankee IMO.

ZioAx
10-20-2010, 04:32 PM
Hmmmm please tell me what uber prospect the Red Sox have that wouls land Greinke?

Sox could put up a far better package than the Yankees. Greinke is a headcase though.

hugepatsfan
10-20-2010, 04:47 PM
Sox could put up a far better package than the Yankees. Greinke is a headcase though.

Not really. A trade for Grienke would only take 3-5 prospects. The Red Sox probably have a better overall system, but the Yankees probably have more top end talent.

PhiveHole18
10-20-2010, 04:58 PM
So I know I'm going to get a ton **** for making this thread before the playoffs are even done, but I'm a baseball fan whose team is not in the playoffs, so I kind of can't wait for the off-season. Here are my predictions for the top 65 FAs:

Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Diamondbacks
Adam Dunn- Dodgers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nationals
Christian Guzman- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Cardinals

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees (who else?)
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels (Call me biased)
Johnny Damon- Cubs
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Will be a FA to start the season
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Nationals
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Phillies :confused:
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Tigers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rockies
Brian Fuentes- Tigers
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- White Sox

*Bobby Jenks is non-tendered and signs with the Nationals
*Zach Greinke traded to Yankees
*Prince Fielder Traded to Yankees (3-Way Deal)
*Juan Rivera is traded to the Padres
*Jacoby Ellsbury is traded to the Reds
*Russell Martin traded to Rangers

Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox
Italics= Re-Signed

Millwood to the Phillies...Umm No.

samevans7
10-20-2010, 05:21 PM
Not really. A trade for Grienke would only take 3-5 prospects. The Red Sox probably have a better overall system, but the Yankees probably have more top end talent.

actually, no. the yanks top 2 prospects are catchers. what team would trade for 2 catchers? and according to MLB.com, the Red Sox have 3 prospects (kelly, westmoreland, iglesias) in the top 50 prospects; yankees 1 (montero)

Ty Fast
10-20-2010, 05:27 PM
I think (but hope not) that the Mets will make a huge push for Lee

esscobar05
10-20-2010, 06:00 PM
The Giants will get either Werth or Crawford....

ritz
10-20-2010, 06:46 PM
I think (but hope not) that the Mets will make a huge push for Lee

All signs are pointing to the Mets doing absolutely nothing this offseason, at least as far as big time FAs go, which is fine with me since (IMO) the Mets aren't a Cliff Lee or Carl Crawford away from going to the WS. I'm not sure how long Santana is going to be out, but with a lot of money coming off the books after 2011, I see the new GM making his mark next offseason.

I do have a feeling that Perez will be released this winter, so on top of acquiring a new GM, manager, maybe a new head scout if the Mets release Perez then I say this winter will be a success.

dodgersuck
10-20-2010, 07:01 PM
I'm hoping the Giants sign Werth, other than that I see Crawford going to Anaheim, Lee going to NYY, Victor Martinez going to Texas, and Beltre going to the Twins.

NYY NYJ NYK
10-20-2010, 07:29 PM
Sox could put up a far better package than the Yankees. Greinke is a headcase though.

Yankees have a better farm system


Nick (Connecticut): Is the Yankees farm system in the top 15?

Jim Callis: Yes. It takes a lot of time to break down all the systems and rank them against each other, but I'm confident enough to say the Yankees should rank in the top 10.



Matt (Boston, MA): Hey Jim, Bostons' farm system hasn't had the best year, however with the existing talent and the influx from the '10 draft, could we still be looking at a top five system at years end?

Jim Callis: I think their system is better than it looks and the 2010 draft influx will help, but they won't be in the top five. I'm guessing 11-15 range.



o (ct): Let's get this straight, you are saying the Yanks system is in better shape than the sox?

Jim Callis: I did say that, yes.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/chat/2010/2610578.html

TallicaFan87
10-20-2010, 07:37 PM
1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

The Yankees actually don't have many other priorities besides a big starting pitcher. Assuming Mariano and Jeter are back (which I can't see them going anywhere), starting pitching is their big need.

They'll be losing something like 60M in payroll again this offseason so getting Lee would fit into a lesser payroll than they had this year.

TallicaFan87
10-20-2010, 07:46 PM
actually, no. the yanks top 2 prospects are catchers. what team would trade for 2 catchers? and according to MLB.com, the Red Sox have 3 prospects (kelly, westmoreland, iglesias) in the top 50 prospects; yankees 1 (montero)

Was this list before the season? I'd be curious to see what that list is like now. The Yankees farm system had an amazing year this year. Have a feeling the two systems are a lot closer than you think.

rkelly7
10-20-2010, 07:56 PM
Please remind me of the last time the Yankees were outbid on a player that they REALLY wanted. The Yankees will blow the Lee negotiations out of the water on day 1 they will offer an insane amount of money and years and no one will even counter with anything close.

Of course the Yankees want him, they have the money, but what makes you think Cliff Lee wants to play in NY? He's the one with the decision power, is he not? When you go to NY, you get the $ and the best chance for championships, but your name will be forgotten unless you are the best, Jeter will be remembered, Posada will be remembered, people who are not of their caliber will be forgotten, nobody is going to know Marcus Thames or Nick Swisher 30 years from now, I know Lee is better than them, but he could make the Cliff Lee brand grow by signing with any team besides the Yankees

rkelly7
10-20-2010, 07:58 PM
The Yankees actually don't have many other priorities besides a big starting pitcher. Assuming Mariano and Jeter are back (which I can't see them going anywhere), starting pitching is their big need.

They'll be losing something like 60M in payroll again this offseason so getting Lee would fit into a lesser payroll than they had this year.

Mariano will be back and so will Jeter, but that may change in 2012 (especially for Jeter if he keeps playing like a AAA hitter)

hugepatsfan
10-20-2010, 08:03 PM
Of course the Yankees want him, they have the money, but what makes you think Cliff Lee wants to play in NY? He's the one with the decision power, is he not? When you go to NY, you get the $ and the best chance for championships, but your name will be forgotten unless you are the best, Jeter will be remembered, Posada will be remembered, people who are not of their caliber will be forgotten, nobody is going to know Marcus Thames or Nick Swisher 30 years from now, I know Lee is better than them, but he could make the Cliff Lee brand grow by signing with any team besides the Yankees

How has Cliff Lee made a name for himself? By pitching in the big games on the big stage. The Yankees have missed the playoffs once in the last 15 years. Playing for the Yankees puts him in great position to pitch in big games. Signing with the Yankees enhances his brand. They w]are the biggest market.

BoognishMN
10-20-2010, 09:13 PM
One last point I really can't see the Yankees making a move on a big name player to fill the DH. Sooner or later Jeter's defense will be so poor that they'll have no choice but to use him as he DH.

dyoungyo1
10-20-2010, 09:30 PM
Red Sox will sign an arm in the offseason, and the will test Lackey in Spring Training. If Lackey faulters in the beginning of the season at any point they will look to move him. Also, Ellsbury isnt going anywhere, but they will sign 1 more outfielder, and it WILL be CARL CRAWFORD. Sox are gonna look like this:

1B - Anderson
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
SS - Scutaro / Lowrie
LF - Ellsbury
CF - Crawford
RF - Drew
C- Martinez

SP-
1. Lester
2. Harden
3. Beckett
4. Buccholz
5. Lackey

The pen will stay the same with the addition of Frankie Francisco, or Arthur Rhodes.

JRomo10
10-20-2010, 09:34 PM
I think Vladimir Guerrero would be a great fit with the Yankees on a 2 year deal worth 10mil a year after the 2 years the Yankees can DH Jeter

jd25213
10-20-2010, 09:38 PM
1. He's not gonna be asking for a billion dollars.
2. The Yankees do have a limited payroll believe it or not. They have other priorities besides buying another ace.
3. The Rangers can match just about any offer the Yankees make unless of course they offer some absurd amount like 6 years $200 million, in which case I would laugh and say "**** it you can have him" lol.

So do the Rangers have 140 to 150 million laying around right, because I think that will be the Yankees starting bid and it will rise from there. This is just to anyone saying Lee won't sign with the Yankees, HE WILL SIGN WITH THE YANKEES, saying he won't is like saying Sabathia wouldn't go to the Yankees back in 2008. You knew it was going to happen, so this will turn out the same. When the Yankees want someone if free agency, they get him. You know this will happen, just admit it.

NYY NYJ NYK
10-20-2010, 11:02 PM
One last point I really can't see the Yankees making a move on a big name player to fill the DH. Sooner or later Jeter's defense will be so poor that they'll have no choice but to use him as he DH.

Agree, they will not be looking for a permanent DH they need that spot to rest their veterans.

Also they will probably slit Montero at C/DH when he is called up

PatelJ1010
10-21-2010, 12:37 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Rockies
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers (Russel Martin will be traded to probably Toronto Blue Jays)

First base-
Paul Konerko- Cubs
Lance Berkman- Rockies
Adam Dunn- Giants
Derek Lee- Rays
Carlos Pena- Braves
Aubrey Huff- White Sox

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Braves
Christian Guzman- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Twins
Orlando Cabrera- Reds
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Giants

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Retires!
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Yankees
Scott Podsednik- Cardinals
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Retires (No one signed him this offseason so you think any teams have interest?)
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- A's
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Dodgers/Rangers/Yankees (If Sale gets done soon/ If they win WS/ If Andy retires)
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Mariners
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Padres
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodger
Kevin Millwood- Diamondbacks
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees/Retire
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Rangers
Chris Young- Padres

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Angels
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Tigers
Matt Guerrier- Royals
J.J. Putz- Giants
Jon Rauch- Mets
Takashi Saito- Rockies
Dan Wheeler- A's
Pedro Feliciano- Dodgers
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- O's
Frank Francisco- Indians
Kerry Wood- Nationals

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Cardinals
Brian Fuentes- Yankees
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

*Justin Morneau is traded to Tampa Bay for some Prospects
*Prince Fielder is traded to Dodgers in 3 team deal with Dodgers trading Loney and Kemp (3rd team pays Mil. with SP)
*Red Sox trade Daisuke Matsuzaka to the Angels
*Yankees obtain Zach Grienke if Lee signs elsewhere
* A's obtain Uggla from Marlins for prospects
* Giants trade Rowand for bad contract KC for Gil Meche
* Adrian Gonzalez & Heath Bell is traded to the Red Sox (Casey Kelly + More)

samevans7
10-21-2010, 08:09 AM
Red Sox will sign an arm in the offseason, and the will test Lackey in Spring Training. If Lackey faulters in the beginning of the season at any point they will look to move him. Also, Ellsbury isnt going anywhere, but they will sign 1 more outfielder, and it WILL be CARL CRAWFORD. Sox are gonna look like this:

1B - Anderson
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
SS - Scutaro / Lowrie
LF - Ellsbury
CF - Crawford
RF - Drew
C- Martinez

SP-
1. Lester
2. Harden
3. Beckett
4. Buccholz
5. Lackey

The pen will stay the same with the addition of Frankie Francisco, or Arthur Rhodes.

Do you watch baseball?

Why is Rich Harden a #2 starter! i'm not even convinced he's better than Dice-K! Plus, why sign a FA P when you have Beckett, Lester, Buchholz,
Lackey, Dice-K, and Wake all under contract?

Anderson isn't nearly ready for the majors.... Crawford would be in left, not Ells. And i don't want to see that roster at all. Youk and V-Mart are the only guys who could put up power numbers. I'd much rather see Werth than Crawford in Boston

SouljahPhil...
10-21-2010, 09:27 AM
Red Sox will sign an arm in the offseason, and the will test Lackey in Spring Training. If Lackey faulters in the beginning of the season at any point they will look to move him. Also, Ellsbury isnt going anywhere, but they will sign 1 more outfielder, and it WILL be CARL CRAWFORD. Sox are gonna look like this:

1B - Anderson
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
SS - Scutaro / Lowrie
LF - Ellsbury
CF - Crawford
RF - Drew
C- Martinez

SP-
1. Lester
2. Harden
3. Beckett
4. Buccholz
5. Lackey

The pen will stay the same with the addition of Frankie Francisco, or Arthur Rhodes.

Ha? Harden over clay,josh and lackey? :confused:

plus sox need power..why go after crawford rather than werth?

Also I think they will make a trade for a 1B and mobe youk..

SouljahPhil...
10-21-2010, 09:34 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Rockies
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers (Russel Martin will be traded to probably Toronto Blue Jays)

First base-
Paul Konerko- Cubs
Lance Berkman- Rockies
Adam Dunn- Giants
Derek Lee- Rays
Carlos Pena- Braves
Aubrey Huff- White Sox

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Braves
Christian Guzman- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Twins
Orlando Cabrera- Reds
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Giants

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Retires!
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Yankees
Scott Podsednik- Cardinals
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Retires (No one signed him this offseason so you think any teams have interest?)
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- A's
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Dodgers/Rangers/Yankees (If Sale gets done soon/ If they win WS/ If Andy retires)
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Mariners
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Padres
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodger
Kevin Millwood- Diamondbacks
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees/Retire
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Rangers
Chris Young- Padres

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Angels
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Tigers
Matt Guerrier- Royals
J.J. Putz- Giants
Jon Rauch- Mets
Takashi Saito- Rockies
Dan Wheeler- A's
Pedro Feliciano- Dodgers
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- O's
Frank Francisco- Indians
Kerry Wood- Nationals

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Cardinals
Brian Fuentes- Yankees
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

*Justin Morneau is traded to Tampa Bay for some Prospects
*Prince Fielder is traded to Dodgers in 3 team deal with Dodgers trading Loney and Kemp (3rd team pays Mil. with SP)
*Red Sox trade Daisuke Matsuzaka to the Angels
*Yankees obtain Zach Grienke if Lee signs elsewhere
* A's obtain Uggla from Marlins for prospects
* Giants trade Rowand for bad contract KC for Gil Meche
* Adrian Gonzalez & Heath Bell is traded to the Red Sox (Casey Kelly + More)

Just to correct you...Yanks will go hard after lee whether or not Andy retires..If he does I think we will bring up someone or trade for a midlle or back end of the rotation player..

Bo Sox Fan
10-21-2010, 10:06 AM
Red Sox will sign an arm in the offseason, and the will test Lackey in Spring Training. If Lackey faulters in the beginning of the season at any point they will look to move him. Also, Ellsbury isnt going anywhere, but they will sign 1 more outfielder, and it WILL be CARL CRAWFORD. Sox are gonna look like this:

1B - Anderson
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
SS - Scutaro / Lowrie
LF - Ellsbury
CF - Crawford
RF - Drew
C- Martinez

SP-
1. Lester
2. Harden
3. Beckett
4. Buccholz
5. Lackey

The pen will stay the same with the addition of Frankie Francisco, or Arthur Rhodes.

WHAT THE **** ARE YOU SMOKING? Opening day looks more like this (you obviously don't watch baseball AT ALL)

1. Ellsbury CF
2. Pedroia 2B
3. V-Mart C (offered a contract prior to the postseason to get the negotiations rolling, will eventually be resigned)
4. Youkilis 1B
5. Oritz DH (no brainer to pick up his 1 year option)
6. Werth LF (the bat that replaces Beltre, in the 6 year range)
7. Drew RF
8. Lowrie 3B
9. Scutaro SS

Beckett
Lester
Lackey
Bucholz
Matsuzaka

Papelbon
Bard
Downs (in the 3-4 year range)
Durbin/Balfour/Putz (1 of them to start rebuilding the depth of the pen)

BoSox47
10-21-2010, 10:34 AM
No chance the Red Sox package prospects for Grienke, Regardless if yankes can send better package or not. The Red sox wont try, they would rather send the prospects to San Diego for Agon.

derekreed33
10-21-2010, 11:04 AM
Im going to say Werth to the Yankees actually. And Cliff Lee to the Phillies (I CAN DREAM!!)

ZioAx
10-21-2010, 11:27 AM
Yankees have a better farm system









http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/chat/2010/2610578.html

What is this ****? How does that change the fact that the Sox could put together a better package?

Good try?

metsbulls1025
10-21-2010, 12:03 PM
If Chipper Jones retires then I see Beltre in Atlanta and Werth or Crawford going to the Sox to replace Beltres bat.

Wrightw/Reyes19
10-21-2010, 01:06 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Orioles
John Buck- Jays
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- ChiSox
Lance Berkman- Orioles
Adam Dunn- Braves
Derek Lee- Giants
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Cubs

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Cubs
Christian Guzman- Cardinals

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Reds
Orlando Cabrera- Giants
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- A's
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Tigers
Scott Podsednik- Astros
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Yankees(moves Swish to UTIL/DH)
Jermaine Dye- Retires
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Nats
Jon Garland- Rockies
Rich Harden- Yankees
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Royals
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Retire or Yanks
Javier Vazquez- Astros
Brandon Webb- D'Backs
Chris Young- Padres

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Nats
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- White Sox
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- A's
Jon Rauch- Mets
Takashi Saito- Twins
Dan Wheeler- Red Sox
Pedro Feliciano- D'Backs
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- Yankees
Scott Downs- Dodgers
Frank Francisco- Angels
Kerry Wood- O's

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Rays
Brian Fuentes- Cards
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

Celtic AL
10-21-2010, 01:35 PM
heres what i think!

Cliff Lee to Yankees! (NO one Rejects a Billionair Family from NY's Super Contract offer)
Carl Crawford to Yankees( if the yankees lose the series to texas this is the reason why they sign him)
Adrian Beltre to Angels for another 4-5 year deal
VMart to Yankees (Yanks need a DH plus hes friends with CC Fatasia)

as for my redsox
Jayson Werth to Redsox
John buck to redsox (sox need a catcher)
Carlos Pena to redsox (if we dont get werth or Beltre dont resign)
Lyle Overbay to redsox (its part of the sox "Bridge year")
Brandon Webb to Redsox (Theo loves Projects)

McJoe
10-21-2010, 01:57 PM
to early, but i dont think uribe will be in a giants uni. and mark my words giants will get a big bat!

Giants have said that for like 6 years and their biggest bats are Aubrey Huff and 23 year old Buster Posey along with garbage from the Rays(Burrell), Marlins(Ross), and Juan Uribe. They've needed to get a bat for a long time and I still dont think they get one unfortunately.

Also, no way Orlando Cabrera is going to the Jays. We have a SS now. Escobar hit .275 as a Jay with good defence. Jays probably dont make any noise in Free Agency at all. Dont know if they will really do anything if they dont re-sign Buck.

djeller1139
10-21-2010, 02:04 PM
I think the Giants pursue and possibly get one of Werth or Crawford..especially if they make it to the WS.

Huff will be back, and SS is up in the air...

#1 Romo fan
10-21-2010, 03:25 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Rockies
John Buck- Rangers (if Molina retires)
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox
First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Rockies
Adam Dunn- Nationals
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Rays
Aubrey Huff- Orioles

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Braves
Christian Guzman- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Reds
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- A's

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Retires
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Yankees
Scott Podsednik- Cardinals
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Retires
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- A's
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers/Yankees (loser of bid trades for Zack Grenkie)
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Mariners
Jon Garland- Orioles
Rich Harden- Padres
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodger
Kevin Millwood- Diamondbacks
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees/Retire
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Diamondbacks
Chris Young- Padres

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Tigers
Matt Guerrier- Royals
J.J. Putz- Giants
Jon Rauch- Mets
Takashi Saito- Rockies
Dan Wheeler- A's
Pedro Feliciano- Dodgers
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- O's
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Cardinals
Brian Fuentes- Orioles
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

Trades:
Russel Martin to Blue Jays

Zack Grienke to Yankees/Rangers

Prince Fielder to Giants

yankswin27
10-21-2010, 04:03 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox
Rod Barajas- Dodgers
Ramon Hernandez- Reds
Miguel Olivo- Rockies

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Orioles
Adam Dunn- White Sox
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Cubs
Aubrey Huff- Giants
Russell Branyan- Mariners
Adam LaRoche- Diamondbacks
Lyle Overbay- Blue Jays
Troy Glaus- Nationals

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Padres
Mark Ellis- A's
Adam Kennedy- Indians
Bill Hall- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Tigers
Jhonny Peralta- Tigers
Aramis Ramirez- Cubs
Felipe Lopez- Astros

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Reds
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Cardinals
Cesar Izturis- Orioles
Edgar Renteria- Possibly Retirement
Alex Gonzalez- Braves

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Rays
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- Free Agent
Scott Podsednik- Dodgers
Johnny Gomes- Reds
Marcus Thames- Yankees

Centerfield-
Melky Cabrera- Padres
Rick Ankiel- Braves
Coco Crisp- A's
Jim Edmonds- Retirement

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Free Agent
Brad Hawpe- Rockies
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers
Xavier Nady- Braves
Austin Kearns- Nationals

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins
Nick Johnson- The Hospital

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Yankees :pray:
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Mets
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- Mariners
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Diamondbacks
Carl Pavano- Rangers
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Cubs
Brandon Webb- Red Sox
Chris Young- Tigers
Brad Penny- Cardinals

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rays
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Angels
Matt Guerrier- Phillies
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Rangers
Takashi Saito- Braves
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Mets
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Red Sox
Frank Francisco- Rangers
Kerry Wood- Yankees/non-contender looking for a closer
Taylor Tankersly- Mets

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Diamondbacks
Brian Fuentes- Phillies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels
Trevor Hoffman- Retirement
Kevin Gregg- Diamondbacks

Yendil
10-21-2010, 05:20 PM
I'm guessing the Mariners won't be too active and they won't be throwing money around after they got burned last offseason.

There is not really anyone to throw money at except Crawford. I expect The Mariners to go for a trade and throw money at an extension rather than a FA

Jeffy25
10-21-2010, 06:11 PM
the problem for the Giants getting a bat, is that not many players want to go to pitchers parks through free agency.

NYY NYJ NYK
10-21-2010, 06:22 PM
What is this ****? How does that change the fact that the Sox could put together a better package?

Good try?

They have a better farm system,
And they most of their top prospects are in the upper minors.

So they can offer a better package.

Got it ?

Celtic AL
10-21-2010, 07:04 PM
heres what i think!

Cliff Lee to Yankees! (NO one Rejects a Billionair Family from NY's Super Contract offer)
Carl Crawford to Yankees( if the yankees lose the series to texas this is the reason why they sign him)
Adrian Beltre to Angels for another 4-5 year deal
VMart to Yankees (Yanks need a DH plus hes friends with CC Fatasia)

as for my redsox
Jayson Werth to Redsox
John buck to redsox (sox need a catcher)
Carlos Pena to redsox (if we dont get werth or Beltre dont resign)
Lyle Overbay to redsox (its part of the sox "Bridge year")
Brandon Webb to Redsox (Theo loves Projects)

fixed

torontosports10
10-21-2010, 07:07 PM
Things that affect my Jays:

Release/let go to FA: Edwin E, Lyle Overbay, Scott Downs, Jason Frasor, John Buck

Retain: Kevin Gregg

Sign:Orlando Hudson (moves Aaron Hill to 3B), Putz on a 1 year with team options, Chris Young or Rich Harden on incentive deals.

Trade: See price on Russ Martin, Try to make a package for Colby Rasmus (starting with Marcum)

Other than that gain the picks for Downs, Buck and Frasor, spend money on the Draft and Int. FA's and ill be happy.

pujolsdabomb5
10-21-2010, 07:27 PM
every big name FA will be wearing pinstripes.

Uncle Sam
10-21-2010, 08:30 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Angels
Adam Dunn- Cubs
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- D'Backs
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Orioles

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Cardinals
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Miguel Tejada- A's

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Astros, and it would be stupid if it happened
Johnny Damon- Yanks
Pat Burrell- Royals
Manny Ramirez- White Sox
Scott Podsednik- Tigers
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- No where
Brad Hawpe- Red Sox
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Angels
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Dodgers
Rich Harden- Orioles
Hiroki Kuroda- Nationals
Kevin Millwood- Astros
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- D'Backs
Brandon Webb- Yankees
Chris Young- Jays

I just eyeballed this, didn't take much time to think about it, and just put something up.


The tigers won't be bringing Magglio Ordonez back, and certainly won't settle for Scott Podsednick. They have 75 million dollars off their payroll, they will sign at least one, probably two top free agents.

otwisted
10-21-2010, 08:58 PM
Says the fan of the team that bought Cliff Lee last year.

Cliff Lee has yet to be bought. Traded from Cleveland to Philly, Traded from Philly to Seattle, Traded from Seattle to Texas.

cali72888
10-21-2010, 09:11 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- White Sox
John Buck- Red Sox
A.J. Pierzynski- Dodgers

First base-
Paul Konerko- Angels
Lance Berkman- Texas
Adam Dunn- Chicago
Derek Lee- Cleaveland
Carlos Pena- Detroit
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Dodgers

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Astros
Brandon Inge- Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Blue Jays
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Miguel Tejada- San Diego

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Giants
Pat Burrell- Nationals
Manny Ramirez- Detroit
Scott Podsednik- Athletics
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
Ankiel- Cleveland
Crisp- Red Sox

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Chicago
Brad Hawpe- Rockies
Jason Kubel- Angels
Magglio Ordonez- Padres

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Angels
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Padres
Jon Garland- Dodgers
Rich Harden- Dodgers
Hiroki Kuroda- Boston
Kevin Millwood- Astros
Carl Pavano- Boston
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- D'Backs
Brandon Webb- Detroit
Chris Young- Yankees

otwisted
10-21-2010, 09:15 PM
Red Sox will sign an arm in the offseason, and the will test Lackey in Spring Training. If Lackey faulters in the beginning of the season at any point they will look to move him. Also, Ellsbury isnt going anywhere, but they will sign 1 more outfielder, and it WILL be CARL CRAWFORD. Sox are gonna look like this:

1B - Anderson
2B - Pedroia
3B - Youkilis
SS - Scutaro / Lowrie
LF - Ellsbury
CF - Crawford
RF - Drew
C- Martinez

SP-
1. Lester
2. Harden
3. Beckett
4. Buccholz
5. Lackey

The pen will stay the same with the addition of Frankie Francisco, or Arthur Rhodes.

If this is there lineup then they finish 3rd in the AL East again. Adding a mediocre reliever to a bullpen that had serious questions and swapping Beltre's offense for Crawford's offense, laughable. They would struggle to win 85 games.

ZioAx
10-21-2010, 09:59 PM
They have a better farm system,
And they most of their top prospects are in the upper minors.

So they can offer a better package.

Got it ?

You have Montero, that's it. Buchholz could be a chip which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FARM. Same with Lowrie, along with the specs.

fadedmario
10-21-2010, 10:51 PM
Tigers have 75 million to spend. They will get Crawford. Rumor is that DD and Illitch have a hard on for him

NYY NYJ NYK
10-21-2010, 11:16 PM
You have Montero, that's it. Buchholz could be a chip which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FARM. Same with Lowrie, along with the specs.

lol no, they have much more trade pieces then Montero.

.. but I don't see them trading for Greinke anyway

SouljahPhil...
10-21-2010, 11:22 PM
You have Montero, that's it. Buchholz could be a chip which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FARM. Same with Lowrie, along with the specs.

Romine.,Banuelos.,Betances.,Brackman? if the yanks got nothing then why would they be rank between 8-15 when the rankings are out?

SouljahPhil...
10-21-2010, 11:24 PM
lol no, they have much more trade pieces then Montero.

.. but I don't see them trading for Greinke anyway

agree..

Halopower31
10-22-2010, 12:44 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox
First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Mariners
Adam Dunn- Tigers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Nats
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nats
Christian Guzman- Rockies

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Twins
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Yankees
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- No Contract
Scott Podsednik- Nats
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Retires
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- A's
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Tigers
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- D-Backs
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Orioles
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Nats
Chris Young- Yankees

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Giants
Matt Guerrier- Royals
J.J. Putz- Tigers
Jon Rauch- Yankees
Takashi Saito- Rockies
Dan Wheeler- A's
Pedro Feliciano- Dodgers
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Angels
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Mets

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Marlins
Brian Fuentes- Phillies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

Trades Possibilities:
Zack Greinke: to Angels, Rays, Twins, Reds, Nats land him
Fielder: to Red Sox, Rangers, or California team
Uggla: to Angels, Rockies, Dodgers, Giants, and winner signs him an extension
Wright(if it happens) : Angels, Red Sox, Tigers, Dodgers, A's, Blue Jays
Reynolds: A's, Padres, Angels, Red Sox
Bell: Red Sox, Angels, Yankees, Cubs
A-gon: Red Sox, Rangers


Fyi: If Angels obtained Zack Grienke they would have the best rotation of all time ..
Weaver,Haren,Grienke, Santana, Pienero ( they would move kaz to bp or trade or release or something lol)

SouljahPhil...
10-22-2010, 01:06 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox
First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Mariners
Adam Dunn- Tigers
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- Nats
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Nats
Christian Guzman- Rockies

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels
Brandon Inge-Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Giants
Orlando Cabrera- Twins
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets
Miguel Tejada- Padres

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Yankees
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- No Contract
Scott Podsednik- Nats
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-


Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Retires
Brad Hawpe- Rays
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- A's
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Rangers
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Tigers
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- D-Backs
Hiroki Kuroda- Dodgers
Kevin Millwood- Orioles
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Nats
Chris Young- Yankees

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Rangers
Jesse Crain- Twins
Kyle Farnsworth- Braves
Jason Frasor- Giants
Matt Guerrier- Royals
J.J. Putz- Tigers
Jon Rauch- Yankees
Takashi Saito- Rockies
Dan Wheeler- A's
Pedro Feliciano- Dodgers
Arthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Angels
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Mets

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Marlins
Brian Fuentes- Phillies
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

Trades Possibilities:
Zack Greinke: to Angels, Rays, Twins, Reds, Nats land him
Fielder: to Red Sox, Rangers, or California team
Uggla: to Angels, Rockies, Dodgers, Giants, and winner signs him an extension
Wright(if it happens) : Angels, Red Sox, Tigers, Dodgers, A's, Blue Jays
Reynolds: A's, Padres, Angels, Red Sox
Bell: Red Sox, Angels, Yankees, Cubs
A-gon: Red Sox, Rangers


Fyi: If Angels obtained Zack Grienke they would have the best rotation of all time ..
Weaver,Haren,Grienke, Santana, Pienero ( they would move kaz to bp or trade or release or something lol)

lol:speechless:

papipapsmanny
10-22-2010, 01:28 AM
Romine.,Banuelos.,Betances.,Brackman? if the yanks got nothing then why would they be rank between 8-15 when the rankings are out?

oh please BA is the most inconsistent thing I have seen. They rank Brackman ahead of kelly in the eastern league top 20, then callis says Kelly would be the number 2 yanks prospect behind montero if he were in the yankees system.


Banuelos.. is meh, probably will be a reliever and has pitched a grand total of 15 innings of AA ball , and 44 innings of A+ ball, I would hardly call him a sure bet yet to be anything yet. He has to do it again.

Romine.... what about him? He sucked offensively this year and was meh the year before, so he better have stellar defense or improve his offense.


Betances cannot say on him, so inconsistent I don't know what he is, he is like a prospect version or Burnett. Great, or terrible. He may be regulated to a reliever as well, unless he can continue to keep his walk rates down.

And Brackman..... dude is is going to be 25 in like a month, and was in AA and basically had the same K-Rates as Kelly who was 20 in AA.

Im not saying all yanks specs suck, and sox are great, because the sox have problems of their own.

Thing I dont get is why yankees pitching prospects rarely get to 100 innings pitched in a season.

Dunno the hype machine reminds me of couple of years back when guys like kennedy, alan Horne, and jeff Marquez were supposedly good prospects in the eyes of yankees fans and Joba was the next Clemens.

/End Rant

Matchstckman
10-22-2010, 01:36 AM
I bet all of these things happen.

Matchstckman
10-22-2010, 01:58 AM
adam dunn- chicago
jayson werth- chicago


Ahhhhh!!!!

Narrow this down!!!!!!

SouljahPhil...
10-22-2010, 06:30 AM
oh please BA is the most inconsistent thing I have seen. They rank Brackman ahead of kelly in the eastern league top 20, then callis says Kelly would be the number 2 yanks prospect behind montero if he were in the yankees system.


Banuelos.. is meh, probably will be a reliever and has pitched a grand total of 15 innings of AA ball , and 44 innings of A+ ball, I would hardly call him a sure bet yet to be anything yet. He has to do it again.

Romine.... what about him? He sucked offensively this year and was meh the year before, so he better have stellar defense or improve his offense.


Betances cannot say on him, so inconsistent I don't know what he is, he is like a prospect version or Burnett. Great, or terrible. He may be regulated to a reliever as well, unless he can continue to keep his walk rates down.

And Brackman..... dude is is going to be 25 in like a month, and was in AA and basically had the same K-Rates as Kelly who was 20 in AA.

Im not saying all yanks specs suck, and sox are great, because the sox have problems of their own.

Thing I dont get is why yankees pitching prospects rarely get to 100 innings pitched in a season.

Dunno the hype machine reminds me of couple of years back when guys like kennedy, alan Horne, and jeff Marquez were supposedly good prospects in the eyes of yankees fans and Joba was the next Clemens.

/End Rant

I'm not that knowledgeable with spects paps ..lets just wait when the rankings are out plus those guys I mentioned have lots of potential which always makes scouts rate them high...Plus I'm not a big prospect guy I'd rather have proven players...I'm pretty sure yanks and sox are not that far away....they will be between 8-15...

papipapsmanny
10-22-2010, 06:45 AM
Hey I am not saying they won't, can't be good. BA has just pissed me off.

They have completely trashed the Sox system saying that their prospects have had terrible years, which make noooo sense to me.

Some how Kelly was supposed to post another sub 2 ERA season as a 20 year old in AA, when Theo came out and said he would probably struggle at first, and he rather have that then him dominate A ball.

Only other guys that struggled were some players from the 09 draft (So their first seasons) and relief prospects like Weiland and Fife

As for proven players comment........ cano, hughes, gardner...... recent guys in the yanks system

Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Bard, Lowrie recent guys out of the Sox system so yes it is important.

SouljahPhil...
10-22-2010, 07:10 AM
Hey I am not saying they won't, can't be good. BA has just pissed me off.

They have completely trashed the Sox system saying that their prospects have had terrible years, which make noooo sense to me.

Some how Kelly was supposed to post another sub 2 ERA season as a 20 year old in AA, when Theo came out and said he would probably struggle at first, and he rather have that then him dominate A ball.

Only other guys that struggled were some players from the 09 draft (So their first seasons) and relief prospects like Weiland and Fife

As for proven players comment........ cano, hughes, gardner...... recent guys in the yanks system

Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Bard, Lowrie recent guys out of the Sox system so yes it is important.

Add D-rob and Joba to the list..I'm happy on how they have contributed eventhough joba had a bad season...No question the sox have produced more from their farm than the yanks..I am thankful they did because for me it made the yanks brass realized how important developing a farm is..You can either wait for those guys to grow or trade them for proven but not old guys like swish and granderson...All in all I'm very happy the last few years on what have occured with trades and building the farm..One trade that I regret is ARodys...:(

Rylinkus
10-22-2010, 02:12 PM
Add D-rob and Joba to the list..I'm happy on how they have contributed eventhough joba had a bad season...No question the sox have produced more from their farm than the yanks..I am thankful they did because for me it made the yanks brass realized how important developing a farm is..You can either wait for those guys to grow or trade them for proven but not old guys like swish and granderson...All in all I'm very happy the last few years on what have occured with trades and building the farm..One trade that I regret is ARodys...:(

We've also produced Swisher and Granderson using the farm. Either way it seems a moot point. I can't imagine either Boston or NY trading for Greinke. I think both would have concerns about how he'd handle the pressure. He's going to be an intriguing player to watch.

Rdy2PlayBall
10-22-2010, 02:21 PM
how about Joe Crede?

I hope the Yankees get him in case A-Rod gets hurt or suspended.

Bo Sox Fan
10-22-2010, 02:56 PM
Hey I am not saying they won't, can't be good. BA has just pissed me off.

They have completely trashed the Sox system saying that their prospects have had terrible years, which make noooo sense to me.

Some how Kelly was supposed to post another sub 2 ERA season as a 20 year old in AA, when Theo came out and said he would probably struggle at first, and he rather have that then him dominate A ball.

Only other guys that struggled were some players from the 09 draft (So their first seasons) and relief prospects like Weiland and Fife

As for proven players comment........ cano, hughes, gardner...... recent guys in the yanks system

Pedroia, Lester, Buchholz, Ellsbury, Bard, Lowrie recent guys out of the Sox system so yes it is important.

Hey mang, your forgetting:

Youkilis - gold glove all-star
Papelbon - all-star
Hanley Ramirez (although traded) - all-star, arguably the best player in the game.
Garciapara - all-star that has since retired

dusty98
10-22-2010, 02:59 PM
I kind of think Dunn will be a cub JMO

DeyAce
10-22-2010, 03:00 PM
White Sox will get Werth or Crawford

Bo Sox Fan
10-22-2010, 03:16 PM
FA that affect my Red Sox:

Boston
Victor Martinez (Resigns)
David Ortiz (Option picked up)
Jayson Werth
Scott Downs
JJ Putz

NY Yankees
Derek Jeter (Resigns)
Mariano Riveira (Resigns)
Andy Pettite (Resigns over retirement)
Adam Dunn - DH
Brandon Webb

LA Angels
Carl Crawford
Adrian Beltre
Rafael Soriano

Texas Rangers
Cliff Lee (Nolan Ryan will match any offer up to $25 mil/per with the raised payroll from the new tv contract in 2011 and beyond)

Tampa Bay Rays
Manny Ramirez DH
Grant Balfour

SouljahPhil...
10-22-2010, 08:05 PM
We've also produced Swisher and Granderson using the farm. Either way it seems a moot point. I can't imagine either Boston or NY trading for Greinke. I think both would have concerns about how he'd handle the pressure. He's going to be an intriguing player to watch.

same here...I just don't think greinke can handle it...

WolvesJagsOs
10-22-2010, 08:13 PM
I think the Orioles def make some rumble this offseason.

GA16Angels
10-23-2010, 06:44 PM
^I feel like they've said that like the last three off-seasons...

samevans7
10-24-2010, 09:38 AM
Fyi: If Angels obtained Zack Grienke they would have the best rotation of all time ..
Weaver,Haren,Grienke, Santana, Pienero ( they would move kaz to bp or trade or release or something lol)

wow they wouldn't have the best rotation lol

Beckett≥Weaver
Lester>Haren
Lackey≥Greinke
Buchholz>Santana
Matsuzaka>Piņero

plus LAA wouldn't be trading for a SP; they have limited prospects to begin with, and they would be better off going after an IF in a trade

samevans7
10-24-2010, 09:45 AM
I think the Orioles def make some rumble this offseason.

lol okay man....

hugepatsfan
10-24-2010, 09:55 AM
wow they wouldn't have the best rotation lol

Beckett≥Weaver
Lester>Haren
Lackey≥Greinke
Buchholz>Santana
Matsuzaka>Piņero

plus LAA wouldn't be trading for a SP; they have limited prospects to begin with, and they would be better off going after an IF in a trade

:facepalm:

SouljahPhil...
10-24-2010, 11:42 AM
wow they wouldn't have the best rotation lol

Beckett≥Weaver
Lester>Haren
Lackey≥Greinke
Buchholz>Santana
Matsuzaka>Piņero

plus LAA wouldn't be trading for a SP; they have limited prospects to begin with, and they would be better off going after an IF in a trade

Maybe a healthy beckett..But as of late josh is always injured or underperforming...

Lackey over or equal to greinke????:speechless:

devildog
10-24-2010, 12:02 PM
I don't want cliff lee let him stay in texas they are a big market team now with that t v deal they just signed so get used to them spending money. I'd rather the Yankees go hard after jason werth and move swisher to lf or trade him. Resign andy if he wants to come back. Go after webb and maybe try and trade for grienke since the royals have a hard on to trade him.

Lou Holtz Lisp
10-24-2010, 12:21 PM
V Mart = Tigers
Cliff Lee = Yankees
Jayson Werth = Red Sox
Javier Vazquez = DBacks
Carl Crawford = Angels
Carlos Pena = Orioles
Derrek Lee = Rays
Adrian Beltre = Red Sox
Lance Berkman = Jays ?
Brandon Webb = Rangers or Cubs
Adam Dunn = Tigers

SouljahPhil...
10-24-2010, 12:22 PM
why trade your prospects when you can sign an ace for just money and pick compensation?

yankeefan54
10-24-2010, 12:28 PM
wow they wouldn't have the best rotation lol

Beckett≥Weaver
Lester>Haren
Lackey≥Greinke
Buchholz>Santana
Matsuzaka>Piņero

plus LAA wouldn't be trading for a SP; they have limited prospects to begin with, and they would be better off going after an IF in a trade

:laugh2::laugh2:

NYY NYJ NYK
10-24-2010, 01:15 PM
wow they wouldn't have the best rotation lol

Beckett≥Weaver
Lester>Haren
Lackey≥Greinke
Buchholz>Santana
Matsuzaka>Piņero

plus LAA wouldn't be trading for a SP; they have limited prospects to begin with, and they would be better off going after an IF in a trade

I really hope your joking

Uncle Sam
10-24-2010, 01:31 PM
I am somewhat of a baseball analyst, bu still some of your offseason threads are amuseing. You guys are low balling the tigers and their 75 million dollars to spend as well as the Angels in many of your posts.

Uncle Sam
10-24-2010, 01:42 PM
My predictions on a couple FAs

V-mart- Red Sox

Adrian Beltre- Angels

Carl Crawford- Angels

Adam Dunn- Tigers

Jayson Werth- Boston

Cliff Lee- Rangers ( I think the yankees trade for Grienke and let Lee go late in the bidding ).

Jorge DeLaRosa- Tigers

Rafael Soriano- Angels

Joaquin Boinett- Tigers ( I think I failed spelling that one lolz )

Halopower31
10-24-2010, 05:14 PM
Why does everyonethink Grienke will go tro hte ynaks.. He had a no trade clause on them this year and he doesnt want to be in the NY spot light

GoatMilk
10-24-2010, 05:45 PM
Dunn doesnt want to DH
he wont go to the Tigers

Uncle Sam
10-24-2010, 05:48 PM
Dunn doesnt want to DH
he wont go to the Tigers

We are planning on putting him in right field. That or we just throw 4/60 at him and he stops being a little baby

Dcup
10-24-2010, 06:04 PM
The Yankees are the last team in which Fielder would be traded to. Who are they going to give up? And where would he play? Too young to be a DH, very serviceable at 1B.

SouljahPhil...
10-24-2010, 06:11 PM
I am somewhat of a baseball analyst, bu still some of your offseason threads are amuseing. You guys are low balling the tigers and their 75 million dollars to spend as well as the Angels in many of your posts.

Bingo! I think tigers go after crawford hard but give up later on due to his steep price...dunn would be a nice addition to that teamm..

C1Bman88
10-24-2010, 06:49 PM
The Yankees are the last team in which Fielder would be traded to. Who are they going to give up? And where would he play? Too young to be a DH, very serviceable at 1B.

I certainly don't think of Fielder as being "serviceable" at first base...

yankees_fan_crz
10-24-2010, 07:06 PM
I don't see Dunn going to a pitchers park like Detroit. Maybe Baltimore is better suited for his swing!

Uncle Sam
10-24-2010, 09:46 PM
I don't see Dunn going to a pitchers park like Detroit. Maybe Baltimore is better suited for his swing!

Comerica isn't a pitchers park, its a good mix. Center and Left center are very deep but left fields pretty shallow as well as right field. Dunn would have no trouble there and our owner is willing to spend the money to win.

Swishalicious
10-24-2010, 10:07 PM
Comerica isn't a pitchers park, its a good mix. Center and Left center are very deep but left fields pretty shallow as well as right field. Dunn would have no trouble there and our owner is willing to spend the money to win.

Comerica is a pitcher's park. It's common knowledge. But that doesn't mean you can't hit homeruns in the stadium. Look at Miguel Cabrera. It's the type of homerun hitter. Dunn would be a great addition cause what ever he hits, it usually goes far. Unlike a guy like maybe Johnny Damon who needs the short porch in right.

samevans7
10-25-2010, 07:34 PM
Maybe a healthy beckett..But as of late josh is always injured or underperforming...

Lackey over or equal to greinke????:speechless:

Let's look at some career numbers for Lackey v Greinke:

Winnng Percentage:
Lackey: .586
Greinke: .472

ERA:
Lackey: 3.89
Greinke: 3.82

WHIP:
Lackey: 1.32
Greinke: 1.26

SO/IP:
Lackey: 0.79
Greinke: 0.84

SO/GP:
Lackey: 5.082
Greinke: 4.433

BAA:
Lackey: 0.264
Greinke: 0.262

OPS:
Lackey: 0.726
Greinke: 0.722


All im saying is that they are pretty equal. Only 2 of Greinke's 6 seasons (not including his injuried plagued 2006) had a record above .500. 8 of Lackey's 9 seasons had a record above .500.

theslick1
10-25-2010, 08:01 PM
Let's look at some career numbers for Lackey v Greinke:

Winnng Percentage:
Lackey: .586
Greinke: .472

ERA:
Lackey: 3.89
Greinke: 3.82

WHIP:
Lackey: 1.32
Greinke: 1.26

SO/IP:
Lackey: 0.79
Greinke: 0.84

SO/GP:
Lackey: 5.082
Greinke: 4.433

BAA:
Lackey: 0.264
Greinke: 0.262

OPS:
Lackey: 0.726
Greinke: 0.722


All im saying is that they are pretty equal. Only 2 of Greinke's 6 seasons (not including his injuried plagued 2006) had a record above .500. 8 of Lackey's 9 seasons had a record above .500.

W-L record is a poor indicator anyway, but in this case it's worse because Lackey has spent his entire career playing for winning teams while Greinke has never played on one.

boomheadshot45
10-25-2010, 08:38 PM
And age plays a big part when comparing Lackey and Greinke. Everyone would take Greinke over Lackey

SouljahPhil...
10-25-2010, 11:02 PM
Let's look at some career numbers for Lackey v Greinke:

Winnng Percentage:
Lackey: .586
Greinke: .472

ERA:
Lackey: 3.89
Greinke: 3.82

WHIP:
Lackey: 1.32
Greinke: 1.26

SO/IP:
Lackey: 0.79
Greinke: 0.84

SO/GP:
Lackey: 5.082
Greinke: 4.433

BAA:
Lackey: 0.264
Greinke: 0.262

OPS:
Lackey: 0.726
Greinke: 0.722


All im saying is that they are pretty equal. Only 2 of Greinke's 6 seasons (not including his injuried plagued 2006) had a record above .500. 8 of Lackey's 9 seasons had a record above .500.

Compare ROyals and Angels..You will know why..:D

Tone091
10-26-2010, 07:29 AM
The O's will def make some noise this offseason. I think you will see Adam Dunn, a starter, and a closer at least.


lol okay man....

metfan4life775
10-26-2010, 09:03 AM
so according to this list the mets will sign NO ONE your saying and how did you leave Rod Barajas off at C yea he might not eb the best but he is a type B FA this is the COMPLETE list

Player Club
First Basemen
Lance Berkman NYY *
Russell Branyan SEA
Adam Dunn WAS
Jason Giambi COL
Troy Glaus ATL
Aubrey Huff SF
Nick Johnson NYY *
Paul Konerko CWS
Mark Kotsay CWS
Derrek Lee ATL
Adam LaRoche ARZ
Mike Lowell BOS
David Ortiz BOS *
Lyle Overbay TOR
Carlos Pena TB
Mike Sweeney PHI
Jim Thome MIN
Ty Wigginton BAL

Second Basemen
Willie Bloomquist CIN
David Eckstein SD
Mark Ellis OAK *
Orlando Hudson MIN
Adam Kennedy WAS
Akinori Iwamura OAK
Jose Lopez SEA *
Julio Lugo BAL
Kaz Matsui COL
Aaron Miles STL

Shortstops
Orlando Cabrera CIN *
Craig Counsell MIL
Alex Gonzalez ATL *
Cristian Guzman TEX
J.J. Hardy MIN
Jerry Hairston Jr. SD
Omar Infante ATL *
Cesar Izturis BAL
Derek Jeter NYY
Jhonny Peralta DET *
Edgar Renteria SF *
Jose Reyes NYM *
Jimmy Rollins PHI *
Juan Uribe SF
Ramon Vazquez HOU
Chris Woodward SEA

Third Basemen
Garrett Atkins FA
Adrian Beltre BOS *
Geoff Blum HOU
Miguel Cairo CIN
Jorge Cantu TEX
Eric Chavez OAK *
Pedro Feliz STL
Bill Hall BOS *
Brandon Inge DET
Maicer Izturis LAA
Melvin Mora COL
Nick Punto MIN *
Aramis Ramirez CHC *
Miguel Tejada SD
Chad Tracy FLA
Omar Vizquel CWS

Catchers
Brad Ausmus LAD
Rod Barajas LAD
Josh Bard SEA
Henry Blanco NYM
John Buck TOR
Ramon Castro CWS
Ramon Hernandez CIN
Reed Johnson LAD
Gerald Laird DET
Jason LaRue STL
Victor Martinez BOS
Chad Moeller NYY
Jose Molina TOR
Miguel Olivo COL *
A.J. Pierzynski CWS
David Ross ATL
Yorvit Torrealba SD *
Matt Treanor TEX
Jason Varitek BOS
Gregg Zaun MIL *

Outfielders
Alfredo Amezaga LAD
Rick Ankiel ATL *
Rocco Baldelli TB
Pat Burrell SF
Frank Catalanotto FA
Carl Crawford TB
Coco Crisp OAK *
Michael Cuddyer MIN *
Johnny Damon DET
Jim Edmonds CIN
Jody Gerut SD
Jay Gibbons LAD
Vladimir Guerrero TEX *
Jose Guillen SF
Bill Hall BOS
Willie Harris WAS
Brad Hawpe TB
Eric Hinske ATL
Brad Hawpe TB
Andruw Jones CWS
Gabe Kapler TB
Austin Kearns NYY
Jason Kubel MIN *
Hideki Matsui LAA
Kevin Mench WAS
Xavier Nady CHC
Magglio Ordonez DET *
Corey Patterson BAL
Jay Payton COL
Scott Podsednik LAD
Manny Ramirez CWS
Matt Stairs SD
Fernando Tatis NYM
Marcus Thames NYY
Jayson Werth PHI
Randy Winn STL

Starting Pitchers
Bronson Arroyo CIN *
Erik Bedard SEA *
Kris Benson ARZ
Jeremy Bonderman DET
David Bush MIL
Chris Capuano MIL
Bruce Chen KC
Kevin Correia SD
Doug Davis MIL
Jorge De La Rosa COL
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Jeff Francis COL *
Freddy Garcia CWS
Jon Garland SD *
Aaron Harang CIN *
Rich Harden TEX *
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Cliff Lee TEX
Ted Lilly LAD
Braden Looper MIL
Rodrigo Lopez ARZ
Noah Lowry SF
Kevin Millwood BAL
Brian Moehler HOU
Jamie Moyer PHI
Vicente Padilla LAD
Carl Pavano MIN
Brad Penny STL
Andy Pettitte NYY
Nate Robertson PHI
Ben Sheets OAK
Ian Snell SEA *
Jeff Suppan STL
Hisanori Takahashi NYM
Javier Vazquez NYY
Brandon Webb ARI
Jake Westbrook STL
Dontrelle Willis SF
Chris Young SD *

Relief Pitchers
Jeremy Affeldt SF
Grant Balfour TB
Miguel Batista WAS
Joe Beimel COL
Joaquin Benoit TB
Randy Choate TB
Jose Contreras PHI
Jesse Crain MIN
Elmer Dessens NYM
Octavio Dotel COL *
Scott Downs TOR
Chad Durbin PHI
Kelvim Escobar NYM
Kyle Farnsworth ATL
Pedro Feliciano NYM
Randy Flores MIN
Frank Francisco TEX
Jason Frasor TOR
Brian Fuentes MIN
Chad Gaudin NYY
Kevin Gregg TOR
Matt Guerrier MIN
Mike Hampton ARZ
Aaron Heilman ARZ
Mark Hendrickson BAL *
Trevor Hoffman MIL *
Mike Lincoln CIN
Mike MacDougal STL
Ron Mahay MIN
Guillermo Mota SF
Will Ohman FLA
Darren Oliver TEX *
Chan Ho Park PIT
J.J. Putz CWS
Chad Qualls TB
Jon Rauch MIN
Dennys Reyes STL
Arthur Rhodes CIN
David Riske FA
Mariano Rivera NYY
J.C. Romero PHI *
Bobby Seay DET
Scot Shields LAA
Brian Shouse TB
Rafael Soriano TB
Jorge Sosa FLA
Russ Springer CIN
Matt Thornton CWS *
Koji Uehara BAL
Jeff Weaver LAD
Dan Wheeler TB
Kerry Wood NYY *
Jamey Wright SEA


* - player whose current contract includes 2011 option

metfan4life775
10-26-2010, 09:08 AM
Also keep in mind type A and B FA


Type A

Albert Pujols - 96.667
Jayson Werth - 92.000
Rafael Soriano - 91.771
Derek Jeter - 91.304
Mariano Rivera - 88.609
Victor Martinez - 87.054
Cliff Lee - 86.932
Matt Thornton - 86.094
Carl Crawford - 84.615
Billy Wagner - 83.650
Adrian Beltre - 82.313
A.J. Pierzynski - 80.804
Andy Pettitte - 80.682
Vladimir Guerrero - 80.000
Ted Lilly - 79.950
Jason Kubel - 79.744
Bronson Arroyo - 79.538
Matt Guerrier - 79.483
Paul Konerko - 78.095
Magglio Ordonez - 77.436
Miguel Tejada - 76.720
Manny Ramirez - 76.154
Scott Downs - 76.069
Carl Pavano - 75.000
Ramon Hernandez - 74.517
Mark Ellis - 74.405
Dan Wheeler - 74.218
Jorge de la Rosa - 74.092
Jason Frasor - 73.446
Grant Balfour - 72.727
Frank Francisco - 72.584
Arthur Rhodes - 72.076
Takashi Saito - 69.749

Type B

David Ortiz - 75.000
Johnny Damon - 74.359
Derrek Lee - 74.167
Adam Dunn - 74.167
Hideki Matsui - 73.333
Javier Vazquez - 71.875
Jon Garland - 71.452
Brad Hawpe - 71.026
Bengie Molina - 72.321
Scott Podsednik - 70.588
Orlando Hudson - 70.238
Brandon Inge - 68.707
Jon Rauch - 68.541
Koji Uehara - 67.733
John Buck - 67.411
Felipe Lopez - 66.964
Brian Fuentes - 66.906
Pedro Feliciano - 66.733
Joaquin Benoit - 66.727
Kevin Gregg - 66.673
Orlando Cabrera - 66.667
Lance Berkman - 66.667
Octavio Dotel - 66.442
Juan Uribe - 65.608
Miguel Olivo - 65.251
Carlos Pena - 64.762
Jason Varitek - 64.732
David Eckstein - 64.732
Mike Lowell - 64.626
Jhonny Peralta - 63.946
Yorvit Torrealba - 63.707
Trevor Hoffman - 63.043
Kerry Wood - 62.666
Aramis Ramirez - 62.637
Jose Reyes - 62.434
Randy Choate - 62.379
J.J. Putz - 61.876
Adam LaRoche - 61.667
Omar Infante - 61.607
Alex Gonzalez - 61.376
Jesse Crain - 60.690
Gerald Laird - 60.045
Aubrey Huff - 60.000
Rod Barajas - 59.459
Hisanori Takahashi - 58.650
Aaron Heilman - 58.512
Chad Durbin - 58.359
Kevin Millwood - 58.049
Kevin Correia - 57.261
Chad Qualls - 56.126

********************************/2010/10/type-a-and-b-free-agents.html

again though Pujos wont go to FA Wagner is retired after this year and its interesting to see if a team is willing to give up a first round pick in order to sign Pavano if he doesnt stay a twin

GA16Angels
10-26-2010, 06:13 PM
I wasn't going to think up a location for every FA. And no, I don't think the Mets will sign anyone high profile. Main reason being: who wants to play for the Mets? They're screwed over in the long run...

dtmagnet
10-26-2010, 06:20 PM
Toronto will sign every single player that is a free agent this offseason and field a super team.

samevans7
10-27-2010, 05:34 PM
Compare ROyals and Angels..You will know why..:D

but its pitching tho. When Greinke won the Cy Young, he had lots of wins, bc he was beast

and ind. pitching stats have no bearing on the team (everything but K's)

1908_Cubs
10-27-2010, 05:53 PM
Why in gods name did the Cubs sign Johnny Damon? I mean...why? Why? How does that even make any goddamned sense?

Bo Sox Fan
10-27-2010, 06:35 PM
W-L record is a poor indicator anyway, but in this case it's worse because Lackey has spent his entire career playing for winning teams while Greinke has never played on one.

OK YANKEE FAN,

This better be considered for the 2010 Cy Young award winner between CC Sabathia of New York and Felix Hernandez of the Seattle Mariners.

You can't be a homer in that argument, Felix SHOULD be the CY Young winner this year, NOT BASED ON WINS. And we all know it.

eXpLiiCt
10-27-2010, 07:11 PM
This is all nice and all but B inge already signed with Tigers :D

SouljahPhil...
10-28-2010, 07:18 AM
OK YANKEE FAN,

This better be considered for the 2010 Cy Young award winner between CC Sabathia of New York and Felix Hernandez of the Seattle Mariners.

You can't be a homer in that argument, Felix SHOULD be the CY Young winner this year, NOT BASED ON WINS. And we all know it.

Its a no brainer....

SouljahPhil...
10-28-2010, 07:27 AM
but its pitching tho. When Greinke won the Cy Young, he had lots of wins, bc he was beast

and ind. pitching stats have no bearing on the team (everything but K's)

I don't get this?

Actually he just gave up 24 more hits than last year...His well documented decline is strikeouts 242 to 181 this year.. Difference in runs is 50...

Fred
10-28-2010, 08:53 AM
My predictions on a couple FAs

V-mart- Red Sox

Adrian Beltre- Angels

Carl Crawford- Angels

Adam Dunn- Tigers

Jayson Werth- Boston

Cliff Lee- Rangers ( I think the yankees trade for Grienke and let Lee go late in the bidding ).

Jorge DeLaRosa- Tigers

Rafael Soriano- Angels

Joaquin Boinett- Tigers ( I think I failed spelling that one lolz )

so other than Lee, you think all of the major free agents will sign with these 3 teams? Does that sum it up? pffffttttttt....some may go to these teams, but it isn't going to be just them....it will get WAY too expensive to sign all of these guys...and, no Yankees in here? No NL? and you call yourself a "baseball analyst"? seriously? do you chuckle when you use that word?

dddtfan
10-28-2010, 09:46 AM
The Tigers have already signed Inge, and are about to resign Peralta (I'm choking over the horrendous thought).

That will put their obligated payroll at about 67M for next year. It has been in the 130Ms more often than not lately. Even if they resign Magglio Ordonez to play RF, and we'll call that about 10M which I'd guess is more than he'd get anywhere else considering he's 37 and coming off a broken ankle, there would be 53M left to spend.

That puts the Tigers in any (2) front runner type free agent conversations they want to be in. They have no significant arbitration raises this winter....and at the very least another 13M coming off the books after 2011 when Carlos Guillen's contract expires.

The Tigers need left handed bat presence in the lineup. That would disqualify Manny Ramirez most likely. Johnny Damon has already been told we wouldn't be bringing him back because the organization was looking for "a more prototypical Adam Dunn type DH"

My guess is, because the organization likes the young Alex Avila behind the plate, and will give Scott Sizemore yet another shot at 2B next year, that pretty much leaves the team looking for corner outfielders and middle of the order bats. My gut tells me like many Magglio will be back and hitting third in front of Cabrera, and to the dismay of the talking heads on most Tigers boards, not as the DH but the RF.

That would still leave the #2 and #5 spots in the batting order unfilled and in need of left handed presence.

The Tigers are going to go HARD after Dunn, who by the way has softened his stance and doesn't say anymore that he WON'T DH, he just "prefers" to play in the field....meaning, he is going to listen to what the Tigers have to offer in the quest for "a prototypical Adam Dunn type DH"....and the Tigers are going to be in the hunt there.

and

The Tigers will still have plenty left over to get a type of player that would suit Comerica park nicely, and allow Austin Jackson to cheat a little towards RF to help out Ordonez...and...that player is going to be Carl Crawford.

but with Inge and Peralta soon, to be tied up to decent "role player" type contracts, it should be apparent to almost everyone at this point that the Tigers are going to focus the brunt of their financial flexibility towards the corner outfield and DH positions.

and they will be in deep on those 2 discussions in particular (Crawford and Dunn), because organizationally speaking, those are the positions that the farm has the least to offer the big club.

They will go after Dunn and Crawford first...and make no mistake about it, this is a team that paid Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis, and Nate Robertson over 10M a piece for the last 3 years, they are not bashful about overpaying.

Our owner is 81 years old, wants desperately to bring a World Championship to the D and doesn't mind ending up 30M in the red every year in his attempts to do so.

if you think the best the Tigers are going to do is resign Inge, Peralta and Magglio Ordonez, and keep payroll in the 70M range, you aren't paying attention to the Detroit Tigers.

They will be players this winter.

Dark Donnie
10-28-2010, 10:04 AM
I actually see Dunn going to a team like Chicago(AL).

ritz
10-28-2010, 10:06 AM
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go to Chicago (NL).

GeronimoSon
10-28-2010, 10:50 AM
and make no mistake about it, this is a team that paid Jeremy Bonderman, Dontrelle Willis, and Nate Robertson over 10M a piece for the last 3 years, they are not bashful about overpaying.....if you think the best the Tigers are going to do is resign Inge, Peralta and Magglio Ordonez, and keep payroll in the 70M range, you aren't paying attention to the Detroit Tigers How much worse does a mistake like extending/signing.. (and then!!) even playing Dontrelle Willis have to be?

The Tigers have a superstar in the middle of there order who is surrounded by CRAPOLA ! While Austin Jackson had a season worthy of consideration for AL ROY, who else in that lineup (aside from Miguel Cabrea) even begins to give the opposition the slightest reason to be concerned?

Old Maggs?

Even Older Guillen?

Youth & inconsistency rules the day for the rest of the Tiger order and bench. Getting Dunn, getting Crawford.. getting Werth.. getting lucky..might be the path that helps the tigers become contenders in an otherwise weak division.

The Tiger pitching staff is similar to the position players in the regard that they have one stud Ace SP in Verlander who would be either the staff ace or a close # 2 on any other MLB squad and a 'youngish' pair of understudies in Porcello & Scherzer... but after that... Who frightens the opposition? The two understudies have a lot to learn about being MLB pitchers. Thankfully, they have Verlander as a mentor which may allow the "upside" of these two pitchers to be realized.. but that's a big IF.. The Tigers have some kids that do have potential to become "special" but, at the risk of rushing them to majors, none of the three (Jacob Turner, Casey Crosby & Andy Oliver) appear to be ready as all three have "command issues" and undevelopped secondary offerings. The remaining two spots in the Tigers rotation were wo-manned, expectantly, by the likes of Bondi & Galarraga who have proven they aren't the answer. The Tiger bullpen is a collection of hard throwers that, on the good half of the year, are dominant.. on the bad half of the year, arsonists... It seems that the best situation for the Tigers would be to acquire at least a middle of the rotation SP to offer some competition for one of the two shakey SP slots. In the best of circumstances.. the Tigers would spend their money wisely on a lefty ace that has been with four teams in the last two years..

What say you?

JackB
10-28-2010, 11:02 AM
Yanks want 3 aces. They'll give lee what ever he wants.

And it still may not be enough to win it all. Money doesn't always win a championship.

nithanyo
10-28-2010, 11:08 AM
Last time cabrera was a FA he was predicted to be a FA. Didnt happen, so why now when we have 2 capable SS in Escobar and Hechavaria in the minors.

Putz makes sense for the Jays but i would try and keep downs too

fadedmario
10-28-2010, 11:19 AM
Tigers sign Carl Crawford

dddtfan
10-28-2010, 11:21 AM
your lineup points are very valid and why first and foremost I think Crawford and Dunn make the most sense for us...

CF Jackson
LF Crawford
RF Magglio
1B Cabrera
DH Dunn

All of the sudden that Crapola doesn't look quite so flushable.

Guillen has already been tabbed as the "jack of all trades" for next season...which in my mind equals, he is going to win the 2011 Gary Sheffield award most likely...the player who we single out as the guy we pay 10s of millions of dollars to in order to NOT play for us anymore. I think at best with a mid-May return timetable set, Guillen isn't being counted on for much. The best I think Guillen could hope for is Scott Sizemore failing miserably at second base (yet again) and Guillen being the emergency answer at that position for the rest of the year...But Guillen has been on the DL about a dozen times the last 3 years and I think every stay on the DL he never came back on schedule....and why he's probably been given his "jack of all trades" status.

Your points about the rotation a very well founded also...we've all but handed a rotation spot to Phil Coke, who in my mind will probably amount to little more than Nate Robertson, if he even achieves that much. But like it or not he will be our #4.

Max Scherzer on the other hand, over his last 153 innings pitched, after his brief stay in Toledo, his ERA is something slightly less than 2.47. That isn't shabby and should be more than sufficient for consideration as a reliable starter for next year.

and I think our season is most likely made or broken on whether Rick Porcello can be consistent or not, but I also think that is a gamble that our managment team is going to make. That still leaves one rotation spot undeniably, but just simply believe, right or wrong, managment looks to the continued development our the 2 understudies and goes for a back of the rotation starter...whom I don't believe will be Armando Galarraga. I think we'll try to pick somebody up from the scrap heap, maybe even Erik Bedard on a one year type deal and roll the dice that way. It wouldn't be the first time we've taken a risk on somebody everybody else has given up on and is injury prone, but our offense is simply much more woeful than the front of our rotation could be good if it realized its full potential...and the batting order simply cannot say it has that same upside as the rotation right now with Austin Jackson and Miguel Cabrera pretty much going it alone.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Cliff Lee, I just don't think it will be the move we make. Age, length of contract that would be necessary to land him would lead cause to believe that we'd address our biggest weaknesses (plural) first on offense. If our experiments to fill the back of the rotation fail, and we are still in it, I'd see a trade mid season once things sort of shook out from there.

Now, if we lured Jim Thome away from the Twins at about 10M less than what Dunn would likely get and have Thome be our primary DH while offering Thome more ABs than the Twins could assuming Morneau comes back, well then...you might hear me singing a different tune then. I think the interest in Victor Martinez that you hear about and his connection to the Tigers is a smoke screen and nothing else.

fadedmario
10-28-2010, 11:21 AM
How much worse does a mistake like extending/signing.. (and then!!) even playing Dontrelle Willis have to be?

The Tigers have a superstar in the middle of there order who is surrounded by CRAPOLA ! While Austin Jackson had a season worthy of consideration for AL ROY, who else in that lineup (aside from Miguel Cabrea) even begins to give the opposition the slightest reason to be concerned?

Old Maggs?

Even Older Guillen?

Youth & inconsistency rules the day for the rest of the Tiger order and bench. Getting Dunn, getting Crawford.. getting Werth.. getting lucky..might be the path that helps the tigers become contenders in an otherwise weak division.

The Tiger pitching staff is similar to the position players in the regard that they have one stud Ace SP in Verlander who would be either the staff ace or a close # 2 on any other MLB squad and a 'youngish' pair of understudies in Porcello & Scherzer... but after that... Who frightens the opposition? The two understudies have a lot to learn about being MLB pitchers. Thankfully, they have Verlander as a mentor which may allow the "upside" of these two pitchers to be realized.. but that's a big IF.. The Tigers have some kids that do have potential to become "special" but, at the risk of rushing them to majors, none of the three (Jacob Turner, Casey Crosby & Andy Oliver) appear to be ready as all three have "command issues" and undevelopped secondary offerings. The remaining two spots in the Tigers rotation were wo-manned, expectantly, by the likes of Bondi & Galarraga who have proven they aren't the answer. The Tiger bullpen is a collection of hard throwers that, on the good half of the year, are dominant.. on the bad half of the year, arsonists... It seems that the best situation for the Tigers would be to acquire at least a middle of the rotation SP to offer some competition for one of the two shakey SP slots. In the best of circumstances.. the Tigers would spend their money wisely on a lefty ace that has been with four teams in the last two years..

What say you?

He'll be our number 5 starter next year

Halopower31
10-28-2010, 11:24 AM
hey even if tigers get crawford. it wont matter because i cant see the angels loosing out on crawford and werth. they will sign on or the other and im fine with both =)

fadedmario
10-28-2010, 11:28 AM
The Angels and Tigers will both be big winners this offseason. (in FA)

dddtfan
10-28-2010, 11:34 AM
hey even if tigers get crawford. it wont matter because i cant see the angels loosing out on crawford and werth. they will sign on or the other and im fine with both =)

I don't think the Angels get shut out by any means this winter, I just think your owner is a little more measured than ours and knows when to pull out when the bidding gets too steep.

and I think your winter starts with Adrian Beltre....but like us with Crawford, by the time I believe the "I's" are dotted and "Ts" are crossed, we both will be looking at contracts come the end of 2011 that are going to look to be worth more dollar wise than they are in productivity.

tappanz11
10-28-2010, 11:58 AM
As a fan of a NL team, one thing can make you feel good. Werth, Crawford, Lee, and Beltre, unarguably the top free agents, will most likely not sign with any team in the NL.

Cubs can financially, but none of those players are a solution to their immediate problems.

Mets can financially, but they have no idea what is going on there.

Dodgers are eliminated because of their ownership problems.

Cardinals have a Pujols to worry about.

Braves are still kicking themselves for giving chipper and Lowe 30 million between the two of them.

Giants openly were going to lose money this year until their playoff run. Besides I am sure they are much happier locking down their pitching staff and Posey over the next couple years. (Zito and Rowand nightmares still fresh in Giants mind)

And any other team just doesn't have the resources or appeal to lure any of them.


With respect to the Braves, they will not sign any of the original predictions. Derek Lee will not take a bench role, and we have Freeman at first for next year. Farnsworth will not get signed, was in the doghouse all year since coming to Atlanta. Saito was already released because he is old and can only pitch on a full two days rest.

I expect braves to make a splash via trade, either luring Josh Willingham over from the Nationals, or taking an outfielder of the hands of the eventual winners of Werth and Crawford.

Also, if willing to part with young talent, they have the farm system to secure just about anyone, but I think they would be hesitant.

Bold Prediction: Braves sign Magglio Ordonez to an incentive laden deal and/or trade to get one of the following: Nelson Cruz, Adam Jones/Markhakis, Colby Rasmus, Nick Swisher (if Yanks sign Crawford), or Ellsbury (if Red Soxs sign Crawford).

JRomo10
10-28-2010, 12:04 PM
V Mart-Red sox
Beltre-Angels
Crawford-Angels
Dunn-Yankees
Werth-Giants
Lee-Rangers
Matsui-Mariners
Soriano-Angels
Jeter-Yankees
Guerrero-Rangers
Ramirez-Rays
Webb-Cubs
Buck-A's
Ordoņez-Tigers
Uribe-Padres
The Angels will come out winners this offseason

JRomo10
10-28-2010, 12:04 PM
V Mart-Red sox
Beltre-Angels
Crawford-Angels
Dunn-Yankees
Werth-Giants
Lee-Rangers
Matsui-Mariners
Soriano-Angels
Jeter-Yankees
Guerrero-Rangers
Ramirez-Rays
Webb-Cubs
Buck-A's
Ordoņez-Tigers
Uribe-Padres
The Angels will come out winners this offseason

JRomo10
10-28-2010, 12:10 PM
Yankees will trade for Zack Grienke

arthur34567
10-28-2010, 12:18 PM
webb will not be a dback in 2011

GeronimoSon
10-28-2010, 01:06 PM
...Victor Martinez that you hear about and his connection to the Tigers is a smoke screen and nothing else... Vmart and Jhonny P were and remain very close.. so there may more than smoke and mirrors to that rumor..

GeronimoSon
10-28-2010, 01:09 PM
Max Scherzer on the other hand, over his last 153 innings pitched, after his brief stay in Toledo, his ERA is something slightly less than 2.47. That isn't shabby and should be more than sufficient for consideration as a reliable starter for next year.
As of this writing.. Max Scherzer is ahead of Porcello as far as the 'pecking order' in the Tiger's rotation is concerend..his electric stuff and nasty mental approach could carry him into the next level..

GeronimoSon
10-28-2010, 01:12 PM
All of the sudden that Crapola doesn't look quite so flushable LOL


...Jim Thome away from the Twins... Thome >>> Dunn for the tigers situation..

Tone091
10-28-2010, 01:12 PM
Webb
Dunn


To the Orioles.

Before all the Oriole bashing starts, take a breath and think first. Dunn wants to stay in the Baltimore/DC area. Webb has also expressed interest in the area because of his wife. I'm not a big fan of Webb, coming off an injury and coming to a hitters park in a tough division. Adam Dunn would be a beast anywhere, especially in Oriole Park. He would fill the void at first and provide protection to the middle of the order. Plus, with Showalter you never know where this team can go.

There is a lot of local conversation about V-Mart, but I hope they dont go after him hard. I dont think he wants to play first and I just dont think he will provide the protection in the middle of the line-up that is needed.

Chucky Woods
10-28-2010, 01:35 PM
Mariners get Fielder in a trade involving Felix Hernandez.
Brewers sign Brandon Webb
Thats all what I can think of

ritz
10-28-2010, 02:03 PM
So the M's trade one of the best young pitchers in baseball at the ripe age of 24 and under contract through 2014 for a guy that is going to command over a 100M contract? That would be a travesty.

tbone2171
10-28-2010, 02:16 PM
Bold= signed by Yankees, Angels, or Red Sox

And I care who Yankees, Angels, and Red Sox sign because??....

SouljahPhil...
10-28-2010, 02:44 PM
Mariners get Fielder in a trade involving Felix Hernandez.
Brewers sign Brandon Webb
Thats all what I can think of

do you think the mariners are that stupid???? LOL

trade a CY young for a fat *** who is gonna be a FA...stupid trade!:facepalm:

ZioAx
10-28-2010, 03:11 PM
And I care who Yankees, Angels, and Red Sox sign because??....

was it directed to you?

Gary Reasons
10-28-2010, 04:06 PM
cliff lee and jon garland are all i want for xmas

JRomo10
10-28-2010, 04:14 PM
Jon Garland is a below average pitcher the only reason why he had any success was because he played in a pitcher friendly park.I would definitely not want that guy on my rotation he is a bumb

theslick1
10-28-2010, 04:30 PM
cliff lee and jon garland are all i want for xmas

Are you just looking to balance Lee's greatness with Garland's crappiness?

One Nut Kruk
10-28-2010, 06:18 PM
Jon Garland is a below average pitcher the only reason why he had any success was because he played in a pitcher friendly park.I would definitely not want that guy on my rotation he is a bumb

Do I honestly see the word bum with a b on the end of it?

DikLongwood
10-28-2010, 06:23 PM
LOL @ Orlando Cabrera signing with the Jays. Then why did the Jays trade for Escobar? The Jays need help at 3rd, 1st, Ace pitcher and DH(maybe). But knowing all the dumb moves AA has made already, he would probably sign Cabrera:facepalm: Do u even know baseball?

DikLongwood
10-28-2010, 06:25 PM
[QUOTE=Chucky Woods;15363343]Mariners get Fielder in a trade involving Felix Hernandez.


Thats hilarious :facepalm:

the_jon
10-28-2010, 06:37 PM
I know it's been said before but O-Cab to the Jays = lulz

Now J.J. Putz is actually someone we could use, although I'm not really a fan of his. He smells like B.J. Ryan.

DikLongwood
10-28-2010, 06:45 PM
Not a fan of JJ putz either. I think AA is smarter than wasting money on JJ when he could just resign Downs who is way better IMO.

Bo Sox Fan
10-28-2010, 08:20 PM
Boston Red Sox off-season:

David Ortiz - $12 mil team option picked up
Victor Martinez - Resigns @ 3 years, $42 mil w/a 4th year team option, $3 mil buyout.
Jayson Werth - Signs @ 5 years, $75 mil w/a 6th year team option, $5 mil buyout.
Adrian Gonzalez dealt for @ the 2011 trade deadline for: Ellsbury, Lowrie, Kelly, Doubront, Exposito, Rizzo, Anderson.

1. Scutaro SS
2. Pedroia 2B
3. Gonzalez 1B
4. Youkilis 3B
5. Ortiz DH
6. Werth LF
7. V-Mart C
8. Drew RF
9. Kalish vs/RH Cameron vs/LH CF

ryansuydam26
10-28-2010, 09:40 PM
lee woulkd be a phillie if they could afford him

ryansuydam26
10-28-2010, 09:40 PM
oh and i bet pat burrell could be a phillie

JackB
10-28-2010, 10:49 PM
Is that kind of like McCain would be president if he had gotten more votes? Just messing with you.

Halopower31
10-29-2010, 12:27 AM
You think Angels will be just a busy in the trade market for big names just like they will be in the Free Agent Market?

Saltinuts40
10-29-2010, 01:58 PM
Lee will stay in Texas IMO. Texas is the best team in the Majors, also just IMO, and Texas can afford almost anything he'll ask for too.

Yankees have more green and the Giants have more wins. SO, you are wrong on both accounts. Lee will go where the money is, or he wouldn't have gone to Philly, Seattle and Texas in the first place, because he would have stayed in Cleveland for less money.

Giants are up 2-0 and have scored 20 runs, a World Series record, and just shut Texas out. Not exactly the best team in baseball.

jd25213
10-29-2010, 08:41 PM
Yankees have more green and the Giants have more wins. SO, you are wrong on both accounts. Lee will go where the money is, or he wouldn't have gone to Philly, Seattle and Texas in the first place, because he would have stayed in Cleveland for less money.

Giants are up 2-0 and have scored 20 runs, a World Series record, and just shut Texas out. Not exactly the best team in baseball.

Not to mention that Lee got owned by the Giants the other night. Lee is going to be a Yankee whether anyone here likes it or not.

samevans7
10-30-2010, 06:56 AM
Mariners get Fielder in a trade involving Felix Hernandez.
Brewers sign Brandon Webb
Thats all what I can think of

Look, the M's turned down this deal from Boston:

Hernandez

for

Casey Kelly
Clay Buchholz
Jacoby Ellsbury
Jed Lowrie
mid-level prospect


no way M's do that unless they get Fielder and Braun

RamOG
10-30-2010, 12:47 PM
Lee will go to the Yankees. Hes already in his 30s, and he can get paid and have a chance to win. Theres no team that can come remoltely close to paying Lee what he wants other than the Yankees

Normally I would agree with such an assesment, however, New York has one of the highest income tax rates while Texas has 0 income tax. Yankees will have to pay close to $24M per year to match Rangers $19.75M. And it only gets worse the higher the Rangers bid.

WoodandNails
10-30-2010, 01:30 PM
Yankees have more green and the Giants have more wins. SO, you are wrong on both accounts. Lee will go where the money is, or he wouldn't have gone to Philly, Seattle and Texas in the first place, because he would have stayed in Cleveland for less money.

He had no say in going to those places, he was traded. And he didn't gain any money by being traded to any of those teams.

goldenstater
10-30-2010, 02:55 PM
oh and i bet pat burrell could be a phillie

I don't think he is going anywhere. He is absolutely loved by the fansbase of his childhood
And playing for the team he loved as a kid. I think in his case and the point he is in his career that might win out in his mind.

yankeefan54
10-30-2010, 07:50 PM
Normally I would agree with such an assesment, however, New York has one of the highest income tax rates while Texas has 0 income tax. Yankees will have to pay close to $24M per year to match Rangers $19.75M. And it only gets worse the higher the Rangers bid.

that hasnt stoped cc teix aj matsui pavano wright sheffield farnsworth johnson the last five plus years

trentman1155
11-01-2010, 03:51 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Angels
Adam Dunn- Cubs
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- D'Backs
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Orioles

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Dodgers
Orlando Cabrera- Cardinals
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Miguel Tejada- A's

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Red Sox
Johnny Damon- Mets
Pat Burrell- Royals
Manny Ramirez- White Sox
Scott Podsednik- Red Sox
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- No where
Brad Hawpe- D Backs
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers


DH-
David Ortiz- Mets or Orioles or who ever wants to spend it on Big Pop UP!!
Hideki Matsui- Angels
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Red Sox
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Dodgers
Rich Harden- Orioles
Hiroki Kuroda- Nationals
Kevin Millwood- Astros
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- D'Backs
Brandon Webb- Yanks
Chris Young- Jays

theslick1
11-01-2010, 04:54 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox
John Buck- Dodgers
A.J. Pierzynski- White Sox

First base-
Paul Konerko- White Sox
Lance Berkman- Angels
Adam Dunn- Cubs
Derek Lee- Braves
Carlos Pena- D'Backs
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Twins
Christian Guzman- Orioles

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox
Brandon Inge- Tigers

Shortstop-
Juan Uribe- Dodgers
Orlando Cabrera- Cardinals
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Miguel Tejada- A's

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Red Sox
Johnny Damon- Mets
Pat Burrell- Royals
Manny Ramirez- White Sox
Scott Podsednik- Red Sox
Johnny Gomes- Reds

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- No where
Brad Hawpe- D Backs
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers


DH-
David Ortiz- Mets or Orioles or who ever wants to spend it on Big Pop UP!!
Hideki Matsui- Angels
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Red Sox
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Rockies
Jon Garland- Dodgers
Rich Harden- Orioles
Hiroki Kuroda- Nationals
Kevin Millwood- Astros
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- D'Backs
Brandon Webb- Yanks
Chris Young- Jays

If the Red Sox sign all the guys you predict they will, they will take over the MLB lead in payroll. Seems unlikely since they've tried hard to stay under the luxury tax limit. They would also have Podsednik, Cameron, Drew, Ellsbury, and Werth to play 3 OF spots.

NYY NYJ NYK
11-01-2010, 09:55 PM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Red Sox
Scott Podsednik- Red Sox

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Red Sox


Red Sox will not get all those players

Tone091
11-02-2010, 09:23 AM
Red Sox will not get all those players

That dude hit the monster load of the "Good Stuff".

Fred
11-02-2010, 09:46 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Red Sox

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Red Sox

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Red Sox
Scott Podsednik- Red Sox

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Red Sox


This is very humorous....but, you forgot to mention that they are also trading for Halladay, Lincecum, Pujols, Utley, Wright, Gonzales....you know, the AL is so vastly superior to the NL that these stars have nowhere else to go but an AL team like your Sawx.....freakin' homer.....

bagwell368
11-02-2010, 11:30 AM
Red Sox fan says:

No Beltre, VMart, Ortiz, no Crawford, no Lee

Yes to Werth, Buck, 3 relievers (get one for Ellsbury), a left handed bat for DH (there is a lot of them, and almost all at less money then Ortiz), and a deal/extension for Agon. Retire Wakefield. Nice for '11, and after Drew, Scutaro gone after '11, load up some more, get several farm hands ready - Iglesias, Doubront, Rizzo for '12.

1B: Agon
2B: Pedroia
3B: Youk v RHP; Lowrie v LHP
SS: Scutaro/Lowrie v. some (30-40%) starts against RHP to take load of Scutaro.
DH: Youk v LHP; Hawpe or better v RHP
LF: Werth
CF: Kalish v RHP; Cameron v LHP
RF: Drew (Cameron also gets some games here and LF as 4th OF)
C: Buck/Salty

koldjerky
11-02-2010, 11:33 AM
You sure you wouldn't put Drew in LF?

bagwell368
11-02-2010, 11:45 AM
You sure you wouldn't put Drew in LF?

Even though Drew is slowing down, he's been an excellent RF in his career and Boston - top 10 in the past 50 years by the numbers actually.

On paper Werth looks like he might be better now, but LF is a lot easier, and chances are good that Werth will be in LF in '12 and beyond. Kalish if he makes it, is a better RF then Werth specially with more years on him.

But it isn't a bad idea by any means. Let's get him to Boston first, then worry about it. If Ellsbury isn't dealt, then Kalish stays on the farm and Cameron gets to be straight back-up. He's got the range and arm for it.

irishmarine
11-02-2010, 11:58 AM
i think the orioles are gonna look to improve some through free agency also. i know only the big teams spend big money but with the second half they had i expect to see tome aggresive actions to try to bring in the fans again

theslick1
11-02-2010, 01:01 PM
Red Sox fan says:

No Beltre, VMart, Ortiz, no Crawford, no Lee

Yes to Werth, Buck, 3 relievers (get one for Ellsbury), a left handed bat for DH (there is a lot of them, and almost all at less money then Ortiz), and a deal/extension for Agon. Retire Wakefield. Nice for '11, and after Drew, Scutaro gone after '11, load up some more, get several farm hands ready - Iglesias, Doubront, Rizzo for '12.

1B: Agon
2B: Pedroia
3B: Youk v RHP; Lowrie v LHP
SS: Scutaro/Lowrie v. some (30-40%) starts against RHP to take load of Scutaro.
DH: Youk v LHP; Hawpe or better v RHP
LF: Werth
CF: Kalish v RHP; Cameron v LHP
RF: Drew (Cameron also gets some games here and LF as 4th OF)
C: Buck/Salty

With regard to Ortiz, is it your thought that they shouldn't exercise his option or that they won't exercise his option? Seems like everything I've read indicates that they will exercise the option.

Hunter48MVP
11-03-2010, 12:53 AM
Catchers-
Victor Martinez- Tigers
A.J. Pierzynski- Rangers

First base-
Paul Konerko- Cubs
Adam Dunn- Tigers(DH)
Derek Lee- Rays
Carlos Pena- Nationals
Aubrey Huff- Giants

Second Base-
Orlando Hudson- Padres

Third Base-
Adrian Beltre- Angels

Shortstop-
Orlando Cabrera- Cardinals
Derek Jeter- Yankees
Jose Reyes- Mets (club option)
Miguel Tejada- Rockies

Left Field-
Carl Crawford- Angels
Johnny Damon- Rays
Pat Burrell- Giants
Manny Ramirez- A's
Scott Podsednik- Dodgers

Centerfield-
none

Right Field-
Jayson Werth- Red Sox
Jermaine Dye- Rangers
Brad Hawpe- Braves
Jason Kubel- Twins
Magglio Ordonez- Tigers

DH-
Hideki Matsui- Mariners
Vladimir Guerrero- Rangers
David Ortiz- Red Sox (I can't remember if they already picked up his option or not)
Jim Thome- Twins

Starting Pitching-
Cliff Lee- Yankees
Bronson Arroyo- Reds
Jose De La Rosa- Tigers
Jon Garland- Padres
Rich Harden- D' Backs
Hiroki Kuroda- Yankees
Kevin Millwood- Phillies
Carl Pavano- Twins
Andy Pettite- Yankees
Javier Vazquez- Mets
Brandon Webb- Angels
Chris Young- Dodgers

Relief Pitching-
Grant Balfour- Rays
Joaquin Benoit- Cardinals
Jesse Crain- Yankees
Kyle Farnsworth- Cleveland
Jason Frasor- Dodgers
Matt Guerrier- Yankees
J.J. Putz- Blue Jays
Jon Rauch- Twins
Takashi Saito- Pirates
Dan Wheeler- Nationals
Pedro Feliciano- Yankees
Aurthur Rhodes- Reds
Matt Thornton- White Sox
Scott Downs- Angels
Frank Francisco- Red Sox
Kerry Wood- Yankees

Closing Pitchers-
Octavio Dotel- Phillies
Brian Fuentes- D'Backs
Mariano Rivera- Yankees
Rafael Soriano- Angels

TO to the CHI
11-03-2010, 01:08 AM
Look, the M's turned down this deal from Boston:

Hernandez

for

Casey Kelly
Clay Buchholz
Jacoby Ellsbury
Jed Lowrie
mid-level prospect


no way M's do that unless they get Fielder and Braun

Not sure your source on that offer from the Red Sox and I am skeptical that is ever happened. But, if it was ever actually offered, the Mariners are criminally stupid for turning it down. Truly insane.