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Lawtonis
10-12-2010, 11:40 AM
1)Jose Bautista 2010- http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1887&position=3B/OF

2) Carlos Delgado 2003-http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1297&position=1B

3)Vernon Wells 2003-http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1326&position=OF

4)Carlos Delgado 2000 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1297&position=1B

5) Shawn Green 1999 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=651&position=OF

6) Joe Carter or Paul Molitor 1994 ( strike year) pretty impressive 'pace' http://www.fangraphs.com/winss.aspx?team=Blue+Jays&pos=all&stats=bat&qual=0&type=0&season=1994&month=0

7) John Olerud 1993 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1093&position=1B

8) Roberto Alomar 1993 or 1992 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=860&position=2B

9)George Bell 1987 http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1000808&position=OF

10) Jesse Barfeild 1986http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1000537&position=OF

11)Llyod Moseby 1984http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1009238&position=OF

Maybe I missed a Season or two but these were the ones that I thought were stat-wise the best when it comes to batting, not overall. If you find one I can add it to the list and the poll.

My opinion has to be Johnny O's 93 season or Joey Bats 2010......

StealingSigns
10-12-2010, 12:57 PM
John Olerud's '93 season. It may not be as sexy as some of the others mentioned, but he did a lot of things that year with the bat. His 8.4 WAR backs up the claim. Delgado's 2000 campaign is very close.

Gibby
10-12-2010, 01:41 PM
i went with Delgado in 2000. he was so close to the triple crown until september came around. olereud had the better WAR because of fielding portion. but clearly Delgado had the best offensive season in bluejays history.

2009mvp
10-12-2010, 01:43 PM
My opinion has to be Johnny O's 93 season or Joey Bats 2010......
How could you possibly put Bautista over Delgado's 2000 season? Delgado had almost .100 points of OBP on him. Just an unreal offensive season.

BlueJayFanDan
10-12-2010, 02:18 PM
Delgado in 2000 was a ridiculous year. Not only 40+ HR's but a crapload of RBI and a ridiculous average. Olerud in 1993 is probably our second best ever. I love what Jose did this year but not even top 3. You gotta hit better than .260 over an entire season to be considered with some of these other great seasons we have had. Maybe if Jose hit about 30 more HR's I would change my mind but he didn't.

Lawtonis
10-12-2010, 03:13 PM
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Gibby
10-12-2010, 03:16 PM
i accidently voted for Delgado 03 instead 2000

Lawtonis
10-12-2010, 03:16 PM
How could you possibly put Bautista over Delgado's 2000 season? Delgado had almost .100 points of OBP on him. Just an unreal offensive season.


Olerud's 1993 season was soooooo crazy...... so many of the 'marks' baseball people set as a standard for a season he got.

200 hits (check) (200hits)
100 runs ( check) (109 runs)
100 walks ( check) (114 walks)
100 rbis ( check) (107 rbis)
.350 plus avg ( check) (.363)
over .400 obp (check) (.473)
20 hr's (check) (24)
50 plus doubles ( 54)

If a guys did one of those thing he's be a good ballplayer.... but all of em?


Johnny O got my vote, But I still love what Jose did this year...... we all know 50 Hrs is a big deal......

2009mvp
10-12-2010, 04:00 PM
^^I have no idea why you quoted me there.

I think its pretty clear that its between Olerud's '93 and Delgado's 2000. Both were absolutely insane performances, Olerud's with better defense and more singles and Delgado's with considerably more power. I'd say the power advantage (.84 ISO difference) makes Delgado's year slightly more impressive, but I can certainly see why people prefer Olerud's campaign in the middle of a WS champion lineup.

nstojic
10-12-2010, 04:09 PM
lawtonis, good work on compiling this


bautisa
delgado(2000 more so)
green
bell
alomar(1993)
olerud


that's my final grouping... but it's so hard to choose... i guess delgado and olerud had more 'complete' years... but i'm a sucker for the stolen base and that's what makes it hard to drop alomar...

nstojic
10-12-2010, 04:17 PM
is it too late to enter Carlos Garcia's '97?

Manatoo
10-12-2010, 04:28 PM
John Olerud's 1993 season without a doubt.

Twitchy
10-12-2010, 05:58 PM
Delgado's 2000 was the best offensive season by a Jay. Olerud's 93 was pretty good, but it's just a little weaker than Delgado's 2000.

nstojic
10-12-2010, 06:02 PM
Delgado's 2000 was the best offensive season by a Jay. Olerud's 93 was pretty good, but it's just a little weaker than Delgado's 2000.

they're really close... olerud K'd less and had the higher avg but delgado had a great avg, himself, compared to the rest of the league and a higher OPS from his superior HR totals... ok, i've made up my mind... it's king carlos of '00

Jays Claw
10-12-2010, 07:35 PM
Delgado's season in 2000 was easily the best. His BA, ISO, BABIP, OBP%, and SLG% were through the ****ing roof!

Dr.Funk
10-12-2010, 08:15 PM
Delgado's 2000 season was insane.

JAYZFAN9
10-13-2010, 04:40 AM
Frank Menichinos 06'.

Seriously tho, 'Delswatto"s 00'

bartron_44
10-13-2010, 10:11 AM
Olerud's 1993 season was soooooo crazy...... so many of the 'marks' baseball people set as a standard for a season he got.

200 hits (check) (200hits)
100 runs ( check) (109 runs)
100 walks ( check) (114 walks)
100 rbis ( check) (107 rbis)
.350 plus avg ( check) (.363)
over .400 obp (check) (.473)
20 hr's (check) (24)
50 plus doubles ( 54)

If a guys did one of those thing he's be a good ballplayer.... but all of em?


Johnny O got my vote....



should have left it there :)......Bautista's season was good, but Delgado was better in 2000, and Olerud had one of the most foolish seasons ever in 93. To hit .363 with an OBP of almost .475 with all those extra base hits is just phenomenal!! and to do it in a championship year with all the pressure down the stretch makes it even more impressive.

broncosfan_101
10-13-2010, 03:36 PM
If we're talking strictly offensively, it's Delgado's 2000 in a landslide. There's really no way you can make an argument for Olerud's year being better.

StealingSigns
10-13-2010, 04:22 PM
The question posed by the OP did not specify offense, which is why I chose Olerud. Statistical season includes defense, does it not?

Twitchy
10-13-2010, 04:38 PM
Maybe I missed a Season or two but these were the ones that I thought were stat-wise the best when it comes to batting, not overall. If you find one I can add it to the list and the poll.

My opinion has to be Johnny O's 93 season or Joey Bats 2010......


The question posed by the OP did not specify offense, which is why I chose Olerud. Statistical season includes defense, does it not?

He's talking about the bat.

thecure
10-13-2010, 05:29 PM
Usually I come up with answers to sports related questions pretty quick... Today I had to think...

And in the end it was the Silent Assassin, Johnny O, that took it.

The reason being, I just think of him doing all that damage with all that talent surrounding him in that line-up and it just blows my mind. Those WS Jays teams were stacked and Mr. O was truly underrated. Imagine the pitchers standing out on the mound thinking, "This guy looks harmless enough... someone must of mixed Mollys stats up with this lanky kid... I'm gonna go after'm!"........."oops."

Nofear
10-13-2010, 06:57 PM
Olerud gets the slight nod for me though its oh so close for Delgado. Slugged almost .600 with only mid 20's in homers is pretty amazing. Add in the fact he carried a .473 is just amazing. Thats damn near being on base every other time you come to the plate.

Two key points that tip the scale for me
1. Winning means everything and Oleruds season came with wins
2. Delgado did his damage in the 2000's. No finger pointing just saying I have a low confidence level with anything 2000's