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JordansBulls
10-07-2010, 03:10 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml


How accurate is that monitor in determing the top 10 baseball players ever?

ugafan
10-07-2010, 03:18 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml


How accurate is that monitor in determing the top 10 baseball players ever?

Laughably bad.

-Lavigne43-
10-07-2010, 03:22 PM
It's not meant to rank in terms of how good the players are. It's meant to determine how likely it is for a player to make the HoF based on what voters base their votes on

ShockerArt
10-07-2010, 03:23 PM
http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/hof_monitor.shtml


How accurate is that monitor in determing the top 10 baseball players ever?

It's not accurate at all for that purpose. The HOF monitor is used to assess how likely a player is to be voted into the HOF. It is based almost entirely on media awards (GGs, MVPs, Cy Youngs, All-stars) and numbers that aren't very useful like the counting stats (especially hits, runs, RBI, pitcher wins).

It isn't meant to be a measure of how good players actually are/were and it shouldn't be used that way.

BigLee53
10-07-2010, 03:29 PM
how is Roy Halladay that low.. what is the basis for this monitor?

Jeffy25
10-07-2010, 03:31 PM
Laughably bad.

This, it's a pretty bad measurement.

even though i love stan musial getting tons of credit, it's stupid

Jeffy25
10-07-2010, 03:31 PM
how is Roy Halladay that low.. what is the basis for this monitor?

look at the top left

bagwell368
10-07-2010, 07:41 PM
how is Roy Halladay that low.. what is the basis for this monitor?

He's going up against guys that made 35-40-50 starts a year, against easier competition in almost all cases, there are 4 man rotations, not 5. Unregulated mound height, and hitters that didn't look at film and work out all day long, but actually worked for a living in the off season.

I've been a fan since 1966, and Halladay is the best pitcher of the 2000-2010 era, but in the 1985-2005 era Clemens, Maddux, Randy, and Pedro are way past Halladay. In part because they are done.

Hope that helps.

ShinobiNYC
10-07-2010, 07:55 PM
Pete Rose over Mickey Mantle, Jeter over Griffey.......Really?

el_primo_nano
10-07-2010, 08:45 PM
Andy Pettite and Curt Schilling have to go in. Andy = winningest pitcher in the postseason. Schilling, he won 3 WS!!!!!!! Was clutch, and was just one of the greats of our generation. (thats coming from a Yankee fan)

bagwell368
10-07-2010, 08:57 PM
Pete Rose over Mickey Mantle, Jeter over Griffey.......Really?

You guys are taking it out of context. Bill James - probably about 15 years ago, studied the HOF, and who was in it, and came up with 4 different ways of looking at it. This one being discussed is just one of the four. Here are the top 10 hitters in each of the four:

1. 454 Stan Musial*
2. 445 Ty Cobb*
3. 422 Babe Ruth*
4. 420 Hank Aaron*
5. 374 Willie Mays*
6. 367 Alex Rodriguez
7. 354 Ted Williams*
8. 352 Lou Gehrig*
9. 350 Rogers Hornsby*
10. 336 Barry Bonds

1. 79 Babe Ruth*
2. 78 Alex Rodriguez
3. 76 Barry Bonds
4. 76 Rogers Hornsby*
5. 76 Willie Mays*
6. 76 Stan Musial*
7. 75 Ty Cobb*
8. 75 Honus Wagner*
9. 74 Hank Aaron*
10. 73 Tris Speaker*

1. 161 Babe Ruth*
2. 150 Ty Cobb*
3. 125 Rogers Hornsby*
4. 122 Ted Williams*
5. 116 Stan Musial*
6. 109 Honus Wagner*
7. 79 Dan Brouthers*
8. 76 Nap Lajoie*
9. 76 Hank Aaron*
10. 75 Lou Gehrig*

1. 417 Ty Cobb*
2. 408 Hank Aaron*
3. 390 Stan Musial*
4. 367 Honus Wagner*
5. 361 Cap Anson*
6. 346 Tris Speaker*
7. 340 Babe Ruth*
8. 337 Willie Mays*
9. 330 Sam Crawford*
10. 329 Rogers Hornsby*


It's not perfect, and Bill James would arrange it in a different way if left up to his own thoughts, but it reflects who is in the HOF, not what Bill James believes in.