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canefandynasty
10-04-2010, 12:20 PM
(In no order)

Jaime Garcia
Buster Posey
Mike Stanton
Jason Heyward
Neftali Feliz

ks32
10-04-2010, 12:35 PM
ike davis..eat **** if you disagree

GeronimoSon
10-04-2010, 12:54 PM
The homers will all have their particular favorites from their own teams, most with merit, however, the top rookies, in any order may be:

Neftali Feliz, Rangers Closer
Buster Posey, Catcher
Jaime Garcia, SP'er
Austin Jackson, CF'er
Jason Heyward, RF'er

Feliz has been incredible in his role with the Rangers. He gets the nod, imho...

jim51990
10-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Heywards season was extremely over rated

x_notorious
10-04-2010, 01:27 PM
Buster Posey over Jason Heyward as NL ROY.

Buster Posey: .305/.357/.505/.862 -- 18 HR/67 RBI (108 games/406 AB)
Jason Heyward: .277/.393/.456/.849 -- 18 HR/72 RBI (142 games/520 AB)

Posey played in less games and AB's and has a higher BA, SLG, OPS. Home run total is the same and the RBI discrepancy is marginal.

AIsixersFK
10-04-2010, 01:41 PM
no knock on Heyward but I think he was way to overhyped this year. I think he will be an amazing player but this season he was overrated ever since his first at bat homerun.

Giraffes Rule
10-04-2010, 01:59 PM
The homers will all have their particular favorites from their own teams, most with merit, however, the top rookies, in any order may be:

Neftali Feliz, Rangers Closer
Buster Posey, Catcher
Jaime Garcia, SP'er
Austin Jackson, CF'er
Jason Heyward, RF'er

Feliz has been incredible in his role with the Rangers. He gets the nod, imho...

I agree with this list. Wish Chris Johnson had a full season to work with, he would be in the discussion as well.

sfg554828
10-04-2010, 02:03 PM
Buster Posey over Jason Heyward as NL ROY.

Buster Posey: .305/.357/.505/.862 -- 18 HR/67 RBI (108 games/406 AB)
Jason Heyward: .277/.393/.456/.849 -- 18 HR/72 RBI (142 games/520 AB)

Posey played in less games and AB's and has a higher BA, SLG, OPS. Home run total is the same and the RBI discrepancy is marginal.

Exactly what I was going to say.

mdlr52192
10-04-2010, 02:19 PM
Posey
Feliz
Heyward
Stanton
Garcia

Mopped_you
10-04-2010, 02:34 PM
Buster Posey is the best.
Jason Heyward.
Neftali Feliz.
Gaby Sanchez.
Jaime Garcia.

Forgot about Garcia, but right under him is Starlin Castro.

michael91889
10-04-2010, 02:41 PM
not to be a homer but look at these #'s
g ab r h tb 2b 3b hr rbi bb so sb cs avg obp
151 572 72 156 256 37 3 19 85 57 101 5 0 .273 .341
slg
.448 those are the #'s of a veeeeeery under rated Gaby Sanchez who is overshadowed by big mike stanton! not to mention Gaby played the whooooole season he wasn't a call up, didn't miss any major amount of games due to injury... so although heyward and posey are STUDS this kid did it all season long!!!

so my top 5 rooks in no order
heyward
stanton
sanchez
posey
garcia

Pinstripe pride
10-04-2010, 02:42 PM
Buster Posey
Neftali Feliz
Jason Heyward
Jaime Garcia
Mike Stanton

TyHill
10-04-2010, 02:50 PM
Unfortunately Heyward wasnt able to show his full potential due to a thumb injury that plagued him during the season. Prior to that injury he lived up to his hype..

In his first 46 games, he hit .301 (47-for-156) 10 homers, 38 RBIs, 29 walks and a .421 OBP and .596 slugging percentage (1.017 OPS).

This isnt an argument for Heyward being the ROY cause i feel Posey has also had a great season..but, this stuff about people saying he was way over hyped who werent aware of his injury, just throwing that out there.

Manatoo
10-04-2010, 02:53 PM
Heyward then Posey.

Hero93
10-04-2010, 03:09 PM
Pedro alvarez?
16 homers 67 RBIs in 367 ABs playing with the pirates

Mopped_you
10-04-2010, 03:18 PM
Jason Heyward is not even close to being over hyped, and he lived up to expectations. He has more plat discipline that guys that have been playing for a long time. He has a great eye, rarely swings at bad pitches, patience, serious power, etc. Everything that you can ask for in a player, he has. 5-tool, for sure. Going to be a star.

baseballguy247
10-04-2010, 03:20 PM
Buster Posey
Jason Heyward
Neftali Feliz
Gaby Sanchez
Jaime Garcia

Latos
stanton
Starlin Castro
Ajax

Gigantes4Life
10-04-2010, 03:33 PM
It's not really a case of being over-hyped, it was more of a case of ESPN not shutting the **** up.

CAIN=FUTURE
10-04-2010, 03:41 PM
It has to be Buster Posey.

CardsRule5
10-04-2010, 04:09 PM
Garcia
Posey
Heyward
Stanton
Davis

That's my order. Garcia is a dominant pitcher who just dominated this year.

C1Bman88
10-04-2010, 07:23 PM
Heywards season was extremely over rated


...How?

Gigantes4Life
10-04-2010, 07:46 PM
This reminds me. Do the Rangers plan on converting Feliz back into a starter eventually?

Giraffes Rule
10-05-2010, 05:46 PM
People saying that Posey gets the RoY because he had similar numbers to Heyward in less at bats are misguided. The voters see that as a negative. More plate appearances = more value in the voting.

Not saying it's right, but that's the way it usually goes. Plus his plate discipline was ridiculous for such a young player. ~90 walks to Posey's ~30 is a big plus for Heyward.

marlinsfan24
10-05-2010, 06:48 PM
I still believe Gaby Sanchez deserves more love for ROY. With that said, I would give the award to Buster Posey.

If you truly believe that Heyward's season was overrated, I advise you to watch him play. Stats don't tell the whole story of what Heyward has meant to the Braves this season.

hoggin88
10-05-2010, 11:16 PM
I still believe Gaby Sanchez deserves more love for ROY. With that said, I would give the award to Buster Posey.

If you truly believe that Heyward's season was overrated, I advise you to watch him play. Stats don't tell the whole story of what Heyward has meant to the Braves this season.

Well his stats are awesome, so apparently the rest of the story just makes it even better.

marlinsfan24
10-05-2010, 11:18 PM
Well his stats are awesome, so apparently the rest of the story just makes it even better.

Exactly. And living in Georgia and being a Marlins fan really makes me hate the Braves a lot, but have to give the kid props.

ShockerArt
10-06-2010, 12:09 AM
Heywards season was extremely over rated

You are wrong.

.393 OBP (T4th in NL), .376 wOBA, 4.9 WAR

Those are great numbers, especially for a 20 year old rookie.

Hopper15
10-06-2010, 01:44 AM
Heyward isn't over hyped. Name me a 20/21 yr rook that walked over 90 times. That's excellent plate discipline.

Hopper15
10-06-2010, 01:47 AM
People saying that Posey gets the RoY because he had similar numbers to Heyward in less at bats are misguided. The voters see that as a negative. More plate appearances = more value in the voting.

Not saying it's right, but that's the way it usually goes. Plus his plate discipline was ridiculous for such a young player. ~90 walks to Posey's ~30 is a big plus for Heyward.


While the walks are a plus, Posey has the much lower strikeout rate.

canefandynasty
10-06-2010, 08:55 AM
People are hating on Heyward b/c of the ridiculous amount of hype he gets from the media, but it isn't his fault. I've heard people compare him to Pujols. That's the type of thing that makes fans mad that they want to spew garbage about Heyward.

I mean you have a even younger RF w/ insane power and just as good speed/defense and doesn't get nearly the hype.

The homers are just as terrible as the haters. They both need to take a chill-pill. Heyward is fantastic, but shouldn't have have recieved that much hype (and hate) this season. It was annoying comparing him to Pujols just as it was annoying the haters making him out to be a mediocre player due to a nagging thumb injury.

todu82
10-06-2010, 08:55 AM
Heyward
Posey
Jackson
Stanton
Davis

C1Bman88
10-06-2010, 12:35 PM
While the walks are a plus, Posey has the much lower strikeout rate.

Strikeouts aren't bad at all for a #2 hitter- in fact, they're the out of choice. This is due to the fact that they have a higher likelihood of hitting in to the double play. They become infinitely more problematic for hitters in the middle of the order (like the cleanup hitter, for example). So both players suit their roles just fine.

SaltyLover
10-07-2010, 12:12 AM
This reminds me. Do the Rangers plan on converting Feliz back into a starter eventually?

Yes, he just needs to refine his off-speed pitches a little more.

Hopper15
10-07-2010, 12:41 AM
Strikeouts aren't bad at all for a #2 hitter- in fact, they're the out of choice. This is due to the fact that they have a higher likelihood of hitting in to the double play. They become infinitely more problematic for hitters in the middle of the order (like the cleanup hitter, for example). So both players suit their roles just fine.

if your leadoff hitter gets on, strikeouts from your 2 hitter are non productive outs. Especially if your manager puts on the hit and run.

canefandynasty
10-07-2010, 08:38 AM
Stanton is filthy defensively, for a 20-year-old rookie. Haven't seen this kinda performance from a 20-year-old since Andruw Jones

C1Bman88
10-07-2010, 11:57 AM
if your leadoff hitter gets on, strikeouts from your 2 hitter are non productive outs. Especially if your manager puts on the hit and run.

The best productive outs hitters add about three runs to a team. I **** you not. That's it.

By putting the ball in play that often, your number two hitter better be quick- otherwise you run the risk of hitting into a ton of double plays. It helps if the batter's a lefty, too, but if you're not adept at avoiding the double play the strikeout is the out of choice.

Gigantes4Life
10-07-2010, 03:02 PM
if your leadoff hitter gets on, strikeouts from your 2 hitter are non productive outs. Especially if your manager puts on the hit and run.

You know what else is non-productive? Double plays.

ritz
11-07-2010, 11:55 AM
Old thread, I know, but it was still on the first page.

I like Sanchez, but I certainly disagree that he deserves more love than Davis.

Davis:
.264/.351/.440 in 601 PAs
.345 wOBA
19 HRs
33 2Bs
1 3B
+10.1 UZR
+3.4 WAR

Sanchez:
.273/.341/.448 in 643 PAs
.346 wOBA
19 HRs
37 2Bs
3 3Bs
-0.1 UZR
+2.4 WAR

Ike Ks more, but he also walks more too. Offensively it's a wash, but with Ike having the leg up on age (3.5 years younger) and a far superior glove I really think he deserves the nod. Call me a homer if you want, but at least I provided some statistics to back up my argument. I know it's frowned upon to use a year's worth of UZR, but that's all I have and there's a big enough difference to see which first baseman is better defensively. Fielding bible has Ike the third best first baseman in baseball.

Jntg4
11-07-2010, 01:12 PM
Posey
Heyward
Jackson
Stanton
Castro

marlinsfan24
11-10-2010, 02:07 AM
Old thread, I know, but it was still on the first page.

I like Sanchez, but I certainly disagree that he deserves more love than Davis.

Davis:
.264/.351/.440 in 601 PAs
.345 wOBA
19 HRs
33 2Bs
1 3B
+10.1 UZR
+3.4 WAR

Sanchez:
.273/.341/.448 in 643 PAs
.346 wOBA
19 HRs
37 2Bs
3 3Bs
-0.1 UZR
+2.4 WAR

Ike Ks more, but he also walks more too. Offensively it's a wash, but with Ike having the leg up on age (3.5 years younger) and a far superior glove I really think he deserves the nod. Call me a homer if you want, but at least I provided some statistics to back up my argument. I know it's frowned upon to use a year's worth of UZR, but that's all I have and there's a big enough difference to see which first baseman is better defensively. Fielding bible has Ike the third best first baseman in baseball.

Good post...Ike maybe better in the longterm, but I still believe Gaby had the better rookie season.

And because of his defense, I can forsee Gaby not even being a Marlin next season.

JNev
11-11-2010, 07:09 PM
There are so many good rookies this year its ridiculous
Posey
Heyward
Stanton
Sanchez
Latos
Castro
Walker
Alvarez
Tabata
Feliz
Davis
Jackson
Boesch (at one point)
Garcia

Metsfan98
12-01-2010, 08:21 AM
You shold have put Ike Davis in the top 5 19 homers 71 RBI's.