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JordansBulls
10-01-2010, 06:48 PM
List the players in the league worth at least a 5 yr/$75 million deal?

Essentially $15 million a year.

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 06:58 PM
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Danny Granger
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Dwight Howard
Pau Gasol (EDIT)

arkanian215
10-01-2010, 07:01 PM
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Danny Granger
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Dwight Howard
I bolded those guys cuz I don't think they're worth it for 5 years. $15 mil per year for 3 years sounds about right. I wouldn't wanna be paying Dirk $15 mil when he's 37.

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 07:08 PM
I bolded those guys cuz I don't think they're worth it for 5 years. $15 mil per year for 3 years sounds about right. I wouldn't wanna be paying Dirk $15 mil when he's 37.

Crap i didn't even think about that. I agree. So, all of those guys minus the ones you bolded.

EDIT: I'd also throw Kobe in that group as well then

MTar786
10-01-2010, 07:10 PM
i dont think dont think boozer is worth it for 5 years. injury prone and getting older

MTar786
10-01-2010, 07:11 PM
u forgot to add pau

Slimsim
10-01-2010, 07:11 PM
Thaddeus young

DeZonia
10-01-2010, 07:13 PM
I don't know how to delete this lol

MTar786
10-01-2010, 07:13 PM
if this was nba 2k i wouldnt mind giving that salary and years to duncan. he will be a 90 till duncan jr. comes to the nba

Mplsman
10-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Beasley

DeZonia
10-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Paul Pierce
Dirk Nowitzki
Chris Paul
Tim Duncan
Manu Ginobili
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Danny Granger
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carlos Boozer
Dwight Howard

I would add
Rondo
Gasol
Rose

Raps18-19 Champ
10-01-2010, 07:15 PM
Joakim Noah is only $5 mill off from that list. ;)

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 07:15 PM
Well, i'm not including guys like Rose or Rondo because right now, they aren't that good. Sure, in 5 years they will be worth the money and most likely in 2 or 3 years. But, based on performance so far is what i'm going off of. Just how i interpreted it.

beasted86
10-01-2010, 07:20 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

More-Than-Most
10-01-2010, 07:25 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

I am so glad you didn't add Iggy. People overrate him so much.

samevans7
10-01-2010, 07:37 PM
Well, i'm not including guys like Rose or Rondo because right now, they aren't that good. Sure, in 5 years they will be worth the money and most likely in 2 or 3 years. But, based on performance so far is what i'm going off of. Just how i interpreted it.


Yeah being the #1 and #2 PGs for the Eastern Conference means you're mot that good..

i would give them both those deals, easily.

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 07:42 PM
Yeah being the #1 and #2 PGs for the Eastern Conference means you're mot that good..

i would give them both those deals, easily.

Let's say you are a girl. Now, you are the prettiest girl in your class. Except, the other 14 or so girls in the class look like this:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e20112796c2a0128a4-300wi

Just because you're the best looking in the class doesn't mean you are worthy of going out on a date with Prom King right?


Rondo and Rose are both very good... but, as i've already stated: right now, they aren't worth $15,000,000 over 5 years. In two or three years they will be, but they aren't right now.
This thread isn't about an investment contract in which you are hoping or guestimating whether or not a player will fulfill the contract... it's about players that are good enough right now and are worth that contract.

netsgiantsyanks
10-01-2010, 07:46 PM
melo
kobe
lebron
deron williams
chris paul
pau gasol
dwight howard
dwyane wade
brandon roy
tim duncan

jerellh528
10-01-2010, 07:52 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

Lol you have bosh, boozer, and stoudemire in there but no gasol when hes probably better than all three and brings in a more international appeal?

Tony_Starks
10-01-2010, 07:55 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol



minus those fellas and Im good with what you got sir!

John Walls Era
10-01-2010, 08:06 PM
minus those fellas and Im good with what you got sir!

Are you serious? If Bosh was willing to sign for that price, anyone would want to have him on the team. What is he? 26 years old? Amare is not better than either of those guys.

Ovratd1up
10-01-2010, 08:07 PM
Let's say you are a girl. Now, you are the prettiest girl in your class. Except, the other 14 or so girls in the class look like this:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451b26169e20112796c2a0128a4-300wi

This made me laugh for a good 5 - 30 seconds.

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 08:09 PM
This made me laugh for a good 5 - 30 seconds.

:hi5:

beasted86
10-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Lol you have bosh, boozer, and stoudemire in there but no gasol when hes probably better than all three and brings in a more international appeal?

I don't buy that... he's rarely a top vote getter for PFs in allstar balloting.

Maybe he is a little better overall, but I think they all provide similar impact on wins + revenue combined, but the 2 year age gap puts Pau on the bubble. Bosh-26, Amare-27, Boozer-28.... Pau-30.

I'll be paying a 35yr old $15M+ a year... I'm not comfortable with that if he's not a revenue getter like I know Kobe will be, and I'm not sure about his trade stock. Even Boozer as a 33yr old expirer seems like he'd be more tradeable in his last year than Pau would be in his last year.

wolf15walk
10-01-2010, 08:22 PM
Micheal Redd!!!!!

kikeyanez
10-01-2010, 08:25 PM
labron james
tim duncan
kobe bryant
chris paul
pau gasol

DeZonia
10-01-2010, 08:55 PM
I don't buy that... he's rarely a top vote getter for PFs in allstar balloting.

Maybe he is a little better overall, but I think they all provide similar impact on wins + revenue combined, but the 2 year age gap puts Pau on the bubble. Bosh-26, Amare-27, Boozer-28.... Pau-30.

I'll be paying a 35yr old $15M+ a year... I'm not comfortable with that if he's not a revenue getter like I know Kobe will be, and I'm not sure about his trade stock. Even Boozer as a 33yr old expirer seems like he'd be more tradeable in his last year than Pau would be in his last year.

... Really? Pau has far exceeded Bosh and Stod, and he will be amazing for 5 + Years. The Style of play that Pau possesses isn't athleticism, its skill, technique and BB IQ. This style of play, as Duncan has proved can be dominate far longer then any athletic PF or C could do. Pau will be amazing for a long time.

beasted86
10-01-2010, 09:09 PM
... Really? Pau has far exceeded Bosh and Stod, and he will be amazing for 5 + Years. The Style of play that Pau possesses isn't athleticism, its skill, technique and BB IQ. This style of play, as Duncan has proved can be dominate far longer then any athletic PF or C could do. Pau will be amazing for a long time.

First thing, Duncan isn't 35. I'm not even sure I would give Duncan another 1yr contract at $15M+ after next season. We'll see when we cross that bridge.

Second thing, Pau isn't Duncan. Things like that are kind of what gets people down on Pau when people start comparing him to the wrong tier players.

Sox Appeal
10-01-2010, 09:14 PM
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Kevin Durant
Dwight Howard
Carmelo Anthony
Tim Duncan
Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Rajon Rondo
Derrick Rose
John Wall

This is just off the top of my head. I may have left a few people off.

TheWatcher34
10-01-2010, 09:16 PM
none! thats a lot of money

Law25
10-01-2010, 09:47 PM
none! thats a lot of money

Now think about how much is made off them :speechless:

TheTakeOver24
10-01-2010, 09:51 PM
Everyone on the top 10 player list...

eXpLiiCt
10-01-2010, 10:11 PM
Sonny Weems

jerellh528
10-01-2010, 10:52 PM
Everyone on the top 10 player list...

pretty much this.

k24springs
10-01-2010, 11:17 PM
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Gerald Wallace
Carmelo Anthony
Andrew Bogut
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams
Chris Bosh
Tyreke Evans
Joe Johnson
Kevin Durant

Honorable Mentions:
Brook Lopez
Danny Granger
Josh Smith
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry

PurpleJesus28
10-01-2010, 11:58 PM
Kobe Bryant
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Paul
Derrick Rose
Gerald Wallace
Carmelo Anthony
Andrew Bogut
Amar'e Stoudemire
Deron Williams
Chris Bosh
Tyreke Evans
Joe Johnson
Kevin Durant

Honorable Mentions:
Brook Lopez
Danny Granger
Josh Smith
Pau Gasol
Dirk Nowitzki
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry


love Gerald Wallace, but i dunno if he's worth 15 mill. Same with Tyreke, had a great rookie season, but thats not enough to warrant a 15mil/year contract for me. Josh smith - not a chance. Joe Johnson - like him, but not at 15mil. alotta the honorable mentions could develop into those kids of players (with the exception of dirk and pau, their already there for me). dunno bout granger though, he can score, but im not too high on him. dont catch a lot of Pacers games either though.

Ollie Tabooger
10-02-2010, 12:22 AM
none! thats a lot of money

yeah i have to agree with this

AlexanderPearce
10-02-2010, 12:27 AM
I think Tony Parker could get the money in the right market. Rondo and Rose as well. But the question was were they worth it... I'd have to say no to all three on worth though.

apocalypse15
10-02-2010, 12:34 AM
I don't think there is many people on this planet who deserve $15 Million a year let alone just in the NBA. Players (not all) play for the money. Can anybody posting on here say they couldn't live off of $1 million per year let alone $15 million per year? Not even $1 million try $500,000 a year? I know franchises pay HIGH (understatement) prices for the best players, but NOBODY really deserves that much money. I guess a bigger wallet makes you feel like a bigger man. I'm gonna have to say not a single player in the NBA deserves not even half of $15 million. May it be the greed of the Agents or player, if you get you paid that much, money does grow off of trees.

Duddy
10-02-2010, 12:34 AM
lebron james
dwyane wade
kobe bryant
chris paul
kevin durant
dwight howard
carmelo anthony
tim duncan
deron williams
brandon roy
chris bosh
pau gasol
rajon rondo
derrick rose
john wall

this is just off the top of my head. I may have left a few people off.

lol

HakeemTheDream
10-02-2010, 10:54 AM
I don't think even David Stern makes that much from the NBA every year

likemystylez
10-02-2010, 11:04 AM
Its kind of a flawed question for a few reasons.

1) a player is worth as much as someone (anyone) is willing to pay him.

2) Teams/Organizations have different objectives, constraints, goals, needs, etc. So you might have a team sign a player for more than he is worth.... because their star player will demand a trade if the team doesnt re-sign this guy.

For instants- (this is completely hypathetical and im not saying this would happen with this particular player or team) What if you are the thunder and Westbrook demands a slightly larger contract "than he is worth". There are rumors that Kevin Durant will demand a trade if his friend on the team westbrook isnt re signed. In that case- is it worth possibly overpaying westbrook?... I think westbrook just became "worth it" via potential externalities.

likemystylez
10-02-2010, 11:06 AM
I don't think even David Stern makes that much from the NBA every year

naa he makes his money through the bookies, and kickbacks from teams for fixing the lotto. :o

likemystylez
10-02-2010, 11:12 AM
Now think about how much is made off them :speechless:

seriously- then who deserves to take home all that revenue that the nba makes? the owners? stern? figure head execs?

HakeemTheDream
10-02-2010, 11:19 AM
Sonny Weems

Daniel Bui?

dc5jdm
10-02-2010, 07:42 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

But not Gasol??:confused:

TheBeast55
10-02-2010, 08:54 PM
Sonny Weems


and Mike James

Evolution23
10-02-2010, 08:56 PM
the only person that deserves 15 million for 5 years is
EVOLUTION23 :cool:

godolphins
10-02-2010, 09:03 PM
i dont think dont think boozer is worth it for 5 years. injury prone and getting older

True

Khalifa21
10-02-2010, 09:16 PM
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Dwight Howard
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Amar'e Stoudemire
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger

Kashmir13579
10-03-2010, 01:11 AM
rondo

ee
10-03-2010, 01:14 AM
only top 15 players in the league is worth 15m per year.....only those 30 and younger worth the 5 year contract....

Law25
10-03-2010, 01:55 AM
seriously- then who deserves to take home all that revenue that the nba makes? the owners? stern? figure head execs?

All im saying is that players are why many watch the game, and by merchandise, and go to games. So because they bring the NBA and their owners so much money i dont see an problem with what they make.

JordansBulls
10-03-2010, 10:12 AM
LeBron James
Dwyane Wade
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Dwight Howard
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Brandon Roy
Amar'e Stoudemire
Chris Bosh
Pau Gasol
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger

What makes Granger worth that much or Joe Johnson?

tyfreaks brotha
10-03-2010, 11:25 AM
I think Cousins will soon be worth 15 million. You don't find a center with loads of potential anywhere. He looks like he will be a top 5 center by the end of his rookie contract (Depending on time).

Khalifa21
10-03-2010, 11:33 AM
What makes Granger worth that much or Joe Johnson?

Both those players are borderline, but if they both received 5 year, $75m contracts I wouldn't consider that a bad contract.

I think both those guys (alongside players like Rose, Rondo, Boozer etc.) are in the $13m a year range, but I wouldn't consider $15m a bad contract if that's what it would take to keep them...

footballer2369
10-03-2010, 11:39 AM
Magic Johnson
Mike "the Situation"
Jason Kidd
Derek Jeter

saintl2510
10-03-2010, 11:50 AM
1.Kobe Bryant
2.lebron James
3.Dwayne wade
4.pau gasol
5.Dwight Howard

*Silver&Black*
10-03-2010, 12:04 PM
What makes Granger worth that much or Joe Johnson?

2005-06 20.2 PPG 6.5 APG 4.1 RPG
200607 25.0 PPG 4.4 APG 4.2 RPG
200708 21.7 PPG 5.8 APG 4.5 RPG
200809 21.4 PPG 5.8 APG 4.4 RPG
200910 21.3 PPG 4.9 APG 4.6 RPG

4x NBA All-Star (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)

Not to mention the team improves every year. I don't know. Is it because he plays in ATL and not in Chicago or New York the reason why he gets bashed?

IndyFan
10-03-2010, 12:31 PM
there are 30 teams in the NBA. that means 30 guys are the best player on their team. so there are at least 30 guys that deserve [or more accurately will get] $15M/yr. on top of that, half those teams have a top 30 player that is also on their team. those guys will also get the $15M/yr. that leaves ~45 or so guys in the league that 'deserve' $15M/yr.

since this is JB's question, i assume it is partially about Noah and his request for this kind of money. noah is a good example of the type of guy that might not 'deserve' max type money, should get max money. while he is not the best player on the bulls, he is a player that could be the best player on another team. there are teams out there that would probably offer Noah max type money. if the bulls want to keep him, they need to pay for it, or trade him while he has value. noah [like many of the 45 or so players i mentioned above] does not 'deserve' max money by his stats, but does from simple supply and demand.

:shrug:

footballer2369
10-03-2010, 04:02 PM
there are 30 teams in the NBA. that means 30 guys are the best player on their team. so there are at least 30 guys that deserve [or more accurately will get] $15M/yr. on top of that, half those teams have a top 30 player that is also on their team. those guys will also get the $15M/yr. that leaves ~45 or so guys in the league that 'deserve' $15M/yr.

since this is JB's question, i assume it is partially about Noah and his request for this kind of money. noah is a good example of the type of guy that might not 'deserve' max type money, should get max money. while he is not the best player on the bulls, he is a player that could be the best player on another team. there are teams out there that would probably offer Noah max type money. if the bulls want to keep him, they need to pay for it, or trade him while he has value. noah [like many of the 45 or so players i mentioned above] does not 'deserve' max money by his stats, but does from simple supply and demand.

:shrug:

What teams are those? 11 and 11 with 1.5 block(s) Noah? Is that a joke? <18 PER Noah?

Baller1
10-03-2010, 04:39 PM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

Looks like a pretty good list to me. Although I would take Boozer off.

alencp3
10-03-2010, 05:05 PM
Beasley

Once in a decade :cool:

alencp3
10-03-2010, 05:05 PM
So Tyreke Evans doesnt deserve it?
Hmm...

MiamiWadeCounty
10-03-2010, 08:36 PM
only mike james

G-Bear
10-04-2010, 10:16 AM
and Mike James

Mike James gets paid the same as every other player put together. This is just so when he plays their team he will not humiliate them too badly

eagles1baby4me
10-04-2010, 10:39 AM
def not elton brand ill tell u that

king4day
10-04-2010, 10:48 AM
Steve Nash belongs in there even though he's not making that much

EDIT: Nevermind, I was thinking just making 15 a year. He'd be too old to get it for 5 years

Lo Porto
10-04-2010, 11:00 AM
List the players in the league worth at least a 5 yr/$75 million deal?

Essentially $15 million a year.

If the cap is $60 million, then $15 million is a quarter of the cap room. On a 13 man mandatory roster, that means one player will make $15 million and the other 12 sharing $45 (less than $4 million each). So that one player has to be 3 times as good as the other players on the team.

There are only a couple players in the entire league worth that kind of money ratio, and it's mainly due to marketability. Those players are LeBron, Kobe and Durant. The finances in the NBA are out of control and leading to a lockout because too many players are making top dollar. Nobody should be making more than $15 a year. NOBODY

dnewguy
10-04-2010, 11:16 AM
Wade
Lebron
Kobe
Dirk
Rose
Durant
Gasol
CP3
Dwight

Those are the players I personally think will give you returns on investment.

barreleffact
10-04-2010, 12:26 PM
All im saying is that players are why many watch the game, and by merchandise, and go to games. So because they bring the NBA and their owners so much money i dont see an problem with what they make.

this. People pay to see the player, not the ownership, management, stern, or anything else. If they didnt get the funds, then who would? certainly nobody that deserves them. So its bull that so many people complain how the funds are allocated. Are some overpayed? yes. many in fact. Can that hamper a team? yes it can. But Do not say players make too much when in relity they make a fraction of the costs they actually generate.

JordansBulls
10-04-2010, 12:27 PM
If the cap is $60 million, then $15 million is a quarter of the cap room. On a 13 man mandatory roster, that means one player will make $15 million and the other 12 sharing $45 (less than $4 million each). So that one player has to be 3 times as good as the other players on the team.

There are only a couple players in the entire league worth that kind of money ratio, and it's mainly due to marketability. Those players are LeBron, Kobe and Durant. The finances in the NBA are out of control and leading to a lockout because too many players are making top dollar. Nobody should be making more than $15 a year. NOBODY

What about Dwight or Wade?

lavilevi23
10-04-2010, 02:27 PM
there are 30 teams in the NBA. that means 30 guys are the best player on their team. so there are at least 30 guys that deserve [or more accurately will get] $15M/yr. on top of that, half those teams have a top 30 player that is also on their team. those guys will also get the $15M/yr. that leaves ~45 or so guys in the league that 'deserve' $15M/yr.

since this is JB's question, i assume it is partially about Noah and his request for this kind of money. noah is a good example of the type of guy that might not 'deserve' max type money, should get max money. while he is not the best player on the bulls, he is a player that could be the best player on another team. there are teams out there that would probably offer Noah max type money. if the bulls want to keep him, they need to pay for it, or trade him while he has value. noah [like many of the 45 or so players i mentioned above] does not 'deserve' max money by his stats, but does from simple supply and demand.

:shrug:

WOWWWWWWW the overrating has gone off the charts!! :facepalm: I cant believe this ****

JordansBulls
10-04-2010, 08:49 PM
WOWWWWWWW the overrating has gone off the charts!! :facepalm: I cant believe this ****

No one thought Ben Wallace could be the best player on a team and he was as well on the 2004 Pistons.

beasted86
10-04-2010, 11:04 PM
No one thought Ben Wallace could be the best player on a team and he was as well on the 2004 Pistons.

:pity:... No.

beasted86
10-04-2010, 11:07 PM
I don't know. Is it because he plays in ATL and not in Chicago or New York the reason why he gets bashed?

Yes.

If Joe Johnson played for Chicago, LA, or NY he would definitely be better than people say he is now. Maybe not up there with Kobe & Wade, but in any polls there would be no debate against Roy or Ginobili when there is right now.

Bruno
10-05-2010, 01:05 AM
2005-06 20.2 PPG 6.5 APG 4.1 RPG
2006–07 25.0 PPG 4.4 APG 4.2 RPG
2007–08 21.7 PPG 5.8 APG 4.5 RPG
2008–09 21.4 PPG 5.8 APG 4.4 RPG
2009–10 21.3 PPG 4.9 APG 4.6 RPG

4x NBA All-Star (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)

Not to mention the team improves every year. I don't know. Is it because he plays in ATL and not in Chicago or New York the reason why he gets bashed?


Yes.

If Joe Johnson played for Chicago, LA, or NY he would definitely be better than people say he is now. Maybe not up there with Kobe & Wade, but in any polls there would be no debate against Roy or Ginobili when there is right now.

Nay. It has nothing to do with the fact that he plays in Atlanta. Playing in Atlanta didn't keep Dominique from become an NBA icon, and it didn't keep him from getting his pay.

Joe Johnson gets bashed because he is coming off three straight years of pathetic playoff performances (FG% under 41%). His regular season out-put has been over- valued by most fans for years; the guy have never once in his whole career put up at PER of 20.0 or higher. Atlanta can never make a serious playoff push until Johnson steps up bigger in the playoffs than he did in the regular season. Yet, Johnson can't even match his regular season output in the playoffs, he has had a drop off three years in a row. Now Atlanta is crippled and chained to his contract and they will never make a finals while he's still on board.

Regular season/Playoff PER. The league average in PER is 15.0...

2009-2010- 19.3/14.5!
2008-2009- 18.2/12.5!
2007-2008- 17.3/15.8.

Roy and Manu have had PERs higher than 20.0 for the majority of their careers.

kyubi256
10-05-2010, 01:56 AM
The ones I'd sign... just looking at how they are right now

Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Carmelo Anthony
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Chris Paul
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams
Pau Gasol
Rajon Rondo (I feel he deserves it. One of the top PG in the league)

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Carlos Boozer
Steve Nash (do not really see him slowing down at all)
Amare Stoudemire (Scared of injuries since explosiveness is his game)
Tony Parker (injured last year but usually pretty good)

LA_Raiders
10-05-2010, 02:16 AM
No "potential" contracts + weighted for age. I'm also thinking revenue:


Kobe Bryant
Lebron James
Dwyane Wade
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Paul
Carmelo Anthony
Brandon Roy
Kevin Durant
Deron Williams

On the bubble:
Joe Johnson
Danny Granger
Derrick Rose
Pau Gasol

I would kick those guys off the list

JordansBulls
10-05-2010, 09:18 AM
I would kick those guys off the list

And why is that?