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JordansBulls
10-01-2010, 05:17 PM
http://www.sportscity.com/nba/nba-30-points-5-rebounds-5-assists-club/3055/




Oscar Robertson
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1960-61 0.473 10.1 9.7 30.5
1961-62 0.478 12.5 11.4 30.8
1963-64 0.483 9.9 11 31.4
1964-65 0.48 9 11.5 30.4
1965-66 0.475 7.7 11.1 31.3
1966-67 0.493 6.2 10.7 30.5

Elgin Baylor
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1960-61 0.43 19.8 5.1 34.8

Jerry West
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1961-62 0.445 7.9 5.4 30.8
1965-66 0.473 7.1 6.1 31.3

Wilt Chamberlain
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1963-64 0.524 22.3 5 36.9
1965-66 0.54 24.6 5.2 33.5

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1972-73 0.554 16.1 5 30.2

Rick Barry
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1974-75 0.464 5.7 6.2 30.6

Pete Maravich
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
1976-77 0.433 5.1 5.4 31.1

Michael Jordan
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
87-88 0.535 5.5 5.9 35
88-89 0.538 8 8 32.5
89-90 0.526 6.9 6.3 33.6
90-91 0.539 6 5.5 31.5
91-92 0.519 6.4 6.1 30.1
92-93 0.495 6.7 5.5 32.6

Kobe Bryant
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
2002-03 0.451 6.9 5.9 30
2006-07 0.463 5.7 5.4 31.6

Tracy McGrady
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
2002-03 0.457 6.5 5.5 32.1

LeBron James
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
2005-06 0.480 7 6.6 31.4
2007-08 0.484 7.9 7.2 30

Dwyane Wade
Year FG% REB ASST PTS
2008-09 0.491 5 7.5 30.2

Hawkeye15
10-01-2010, 05:18 PM
right now, I would say yes

ShaqShoes
10-01-2010, 05:18 PM
I think he can do it once or twice. Not sure if he can get the assists.

Raidaz4Life
10-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Eh tough to say as he is not much of a passer.... I think he will get it eventually.

John Walls Era
10-01-2010, 05:22 PM
no. hes a career 30 ppg guy which is nothing to sneeze at.

Gators123
10-01-2010, 05:22 PM
Yeah, Maybe even a couple times.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
10-01-2010, 05:26 PM
not in the next 3 years

kArSoN RyDaH
10-01-2010, 05:40 PM
if his team can produce then yes. i dont see any other scorer on his team besides him. but rebounds and points he could get easily. its the assists that will be tough to get with his team.

CHANGO
10-01-2010, 05:48 PM
With a good team, and developing an ability to pass the ball.

koreancabbage
10-01-2010, 06:18 PM
meh, i don't see why not. if he had better team mates he would surely do it.

beasted86
10-01-2010, 06:37 PM
He is a natural scorer like Baylor, Dominique, etc... don't really see him having the mindset to pass like that.

WolvesJagsOs
10-01-2010, 06:57 PM
nah. like others said, idk if he has the mindset to pass like that.

RulerSlick
10-01-2010, 07:05 PM
No...he has no passing game

Mplsman
10-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Yes, but he has to get stronger.

Wilson
10-01-2010, 07:08 PM
Him and his young team-mates are improving, he was only two assists away last season. I would expect him to get there eventually.

Basketash
10-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Probably, but only once or twice

Shammyguy3
10-01-2010, 07:25 PM
Yes

HakeemTheDream
10-01-2010, 08:02 PM
I don't think he'll get the assists, maybe he'll come close

Bruno
10-01-2010, 08:39 PM
He won't land 5+ assists this up coming season. He will eventually and he'll probably do it more than once.

I wish I could have seen Oscar in his prime, he's in a class of his own statistically when it comes to almost putting up 30-10-10 twice.

Law25
10-01-2010, 09:02 PM
I dont know, but thats one hell of an list. Whats crazy is i thought A.I did it once or Magic.

mrblisterdundee
10-01-2010, 09:14 PM
I don't think he'll have to. Russell Westbrook is too good a point guard.

Carey
10-01-2010, 09:20 PM
I've watched all but two of his games since he's been a pro, He has underrated vision and Bball IQ. With that said im still going to say no, Westbrook is our primary facilitator and and plan this year is to have Jeff Green facilitate the offense some as well. Maybe he can in the future but for now i'd say you'll see him hover around last years numbers with the assists maybe going up just a bit.

tredigs
10-01-2010, 09:21 PM
He's a fully competent passer (underrated aspect of his game, along with his high level D as of season 3, which is considered mediocre at best by the average fan), but his assist total will be dependent on how efficiently his teammates around him can finish (last season, they did so terribly), and what role they need him to play on the team. As of now, he plays within the flow of the offense and let's Westbrook do the bulk of the playmaking.

But with Aldrich being an efficient scorer, their young core probably improving in efficiency over the next season, and picking up a solid knock-down shooter in Cook, his assist total should probably be around ~4 this next season.

So that said, unless his role in the offense changes, he won't be a 5+ assist guy (again, he's fully capable and could probably do so fairly easily if he makes it a priority, but at this point it's not how OKC runs their offense).

Wilson
10-01-2010, 09:25 PM
I dont know, but thats one hell of an list. Whats crazy is i thought A.I did it once or Magic.

Magic never averaged more than 24 PPG, whereas Allen Iverson highest rebounding numbers were 4.9 per game.

I thought Larry Bird had done it but he just missed out in the 1984-'85 season (28.7 PPG), '86-'87 (28.1 PPG) and '87-'88 (29.9 PPG - :ouch: :p).

Law25
10-01-2010, 09:40 PM
Magic never averaged more than 24 PPG, whereas Allen Iverson highest rebounding numbers were 4.9 per game.

I thought Larry Bird had done it but he just missed out in the 1984-'85 season (28.7 PPG), '86-'87 (28.1 PPG) and '87-'88 (29.9 PPG - :ouch: :p).

Damn. :D

tredigs
10-01-2010, 09:44 PM
Magic never averaged more than 24 PPG, whereas Allen Iverson highest rebounding numbers were 4.9 per game.

I thought Larry Bird had done it but he just missed out in the 1984-'85 season (28.7 PPG), '86-'87 (28.1 PPG) and '87-'88 (29.9 PPG - :ouch: :p).

Which is why, when it comes down to it, these arbitrary ("clean looking") per game numbers as a basis for a players success are just silly/stupid.

edit: I understand that there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but for some already highly misleading stats (if not given in context), they do a poor job relating who was the better (or even more complete) player in any given season.

JROX213*323*310
10-01-2010, 09:59 PM
Yep. He has the talent and his team has the need.

Denver-boy
10-01-2010, 10:10 PM
this has so many bandwagon jumpers, this poor guy has too high of expectations he's already doomed to be OVERRATED!

SA5195
10-01-2010, 10:21 PM
He'll get there.

HakeemTheDream
10-01-2010, 10:26 PM
Kobe averaged 4apg at age 21 and only managed to improve it by 1, so it's not that easy for Durant to improve his assists from 2.8 to 5

Wilson
10-01-2010, 10:35 PM
Which is why, when it comes down to it, these arbitrary ("clean looking") per game numbers as a basis for a players success are just silly/stupid.

edit: I understand that there has to be a line drawn somewhere, but for some already highly misleading stats (if not given in context), they do a poor job relating who was the better (or even more complete) player in any given season.

I agree with this, but I don't have a problem with using the per game stats as a basic starting point. If we were going to get into asking if Kevin Durant as better than the guys mentioned in the original post then advanced stats is definitely the way to go, as well as any game footage that can be found of the older players.

tredigs
10-01-2010, 10:43 PM
I agree with this, but I don't have a problem with using the per game stats as a basic starting point. If we were going to get into asking if Kevin Durant as better than the guys mentioned in the original post then advanced stats is definitely the way to go, as well as any game footage that can be found of the older players.

Yeah, completely agree. They have their place and I use them all the time myself. But they need to be put in context, and are indeed given a bit more weight than they deserve by the fans/media (I'm looking at you, 'Reke fans).

That said, it's like AVG/HR/RBI's in baseball. The're the oldest stats and the easiest for the average fan/non-fan alike to relate to (given the decades upon decades they've been in use), so even if they're far from the best ones, it's what we're stuck with for now.

HakeemTheDream
10-01-2010, 10:58 PM
I see Durant averaging 4.5 assists per game one day and that's already an optimistic stretch, it's very rare for SF's to improve their passing ability as much as some people here think he will especially when he has so much scoring responsibility on that team, OKC is 12th in scoring efficiency so they NEED him to score. Improving passing vision isn't something like improving your bench press, most people can practice their whole life and will never have the vision Steve Nash or Jason Kidd does

JordansBulls
10-02-2010, 02:48 PM
Kobe averaged 4apg at age 21 and only managed to improve it by 1, so it's not that easy for Durant to improve his assists from 2.8 to 5

Well with Westbrook running the show he may not get to 5 apg.

beasted86
10-02-2010, 04:47 PM
and picking up a solid knock-down shooter in Cook

Believe me as a Heat fan when I say "No".

Burkey3472
10-02-2010, 04:52 PM
This kid is going to keep developing and developing so I say he'll eventually reached 30-5-5, could even do it this year.

_KB24_
10-02-2010, 06:13 PM
Yeah, I see him doing it atleast once in his career.

Baller1
10-02-2010, 07:06 PM
Maybe in a few years. The Thunder don't have enough shooters/scorers to help him out (unless Harden and Westbrook improve).

Chronz
10-02-2010, 07:10 PM
Well with Westbrook running the show he may not get to 5 apg.

The bigger issue is that he averages so many turnovers with very minimal playmaking duties. He doesn't ned to avg alot of assist but he has trio work on his decision making and passing

Heater4life
10-02-2010, 07:14 PM
Him and his young team-mates are improving, he was only two assists away last season. I would expect him to get there eventually.

you mean 2 APG which equates to an extra 164 assists. that takes work, i dont think he can do it as of now. we'll see later.

Khalifa21
10-02-2010, 07:36 PM
I don't think he has the passing ability, vision and mind frame to average 5 apg... So no.

godolphins
10-02-2010, 07:59 PM
Certainly not this year maybe in 3 or 4 years

llemon
10-02-2010, 08:16 PM
Truthfully, should anyone other than KD and his PR staff be concerned about this?

Wilson
10-02-2010, 10:36 PM
you mean 2 APG which equates to an extra 164 assists. that takes work, i dont think he can do it as of now. we'll see later.

Yeah that's right, poor typing by me there :o

I do think he could do it though. 164 is a big number but it is just an extra two per game. Don't forget how much the other youngsters will improve on the team as well.

Chronz
10-02-2010, 11:25 PM
Yeah that's right, poor typing by me there :o

I do think he could do it though. 164 is a big number but it is just an extra two per game. Don't forget how much the other youngsters will improve on the team as well.

2 a game is a big #, 2 assists a game means atleast 4 more PTS scored. Care to guess how big of a gap those 4PTS separate teams in terms of PT differential. The Thunder go from being good to strong favorites just from the improvement of 1 player, thats asking alot.

td0tsfinest
10-02-2010, 11:41 PM
I think its possible. Scoring and rebounding is always going to be there. Its just a question of whether he get the assists. He hasn't shown great passing skills.

Its kinda weird to see a superstar wing put up 1 or 2 assists each game. I think he had zero assists in the final game against Turkey.

RulerSlick
11-04-2010, 12:52 PM
Durant will never avg 5 ast per game

Kenny
11-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Durant will never avg 5 ast per game

That would require to actually pass the ball.

JLynn943
11-04-2010, 01:41 PM
That would require to actually pass the ball.

Yeah, he's not one for passing up shots. Still, 5 apg is feasible. It's just unlikely at this point.

Kingz4L
11-04-2010, 01:48 PM
yes i see him getting 1-2...guys he's only 21yrs old, give him time..

tcav701
11-04-2010, 01:50 PM
In his career?

Absolutely, his team is only going to get better as the years go on.

Carey
11-04-2010, 01:52 PM
Probably not any time soon, he's leaned on too heavily to score and we arent a good offensive team right now, maybe in couple years.

ManRam
11-04-2010, 02:01 PM
No chance, whatsoever.

Raph12
11-04-2010, 02:14 PM
Avging 30+ppg while shooting 35% from the floor would be terrible, he needs to stop forcing the game.

Hunter48MVP
11-04-2010, 02:18 PM
Yes. Durant is a beast!

Carey
11-04-2010, 02:22 PM
Avging 30+ppg while shooting 35% from the floor would be terrible, he needs to stop forcing the game.

Agreed to an extent, but its kinda difficult to do so when your whole team is shooting terrible and you carry the scoring burden that he does. He shot an oustanding percent for a 30 point scorer last year, he's only played 4 games this year, i wouldnt count on him shooting 35 percent for the season, his shot is just off.

DODGERS&LAKERS
11-04-2010, 02:29 PM
Agreed to an extent, but its kinda difficult to do so when your whole team is shooting terrible and you carry the scoring burden that he does. He shot an oustanding percent for a 30 point scorer last year, he's only played 4 games this year, i wouldnt count on him shooting 35 percent for the season, his shot is just off.

Exactly, its only 4 games. If he has one or two hot games, he is back to shooting 50% and 40% three pointers. Stats go way up and down this early in the season.

Raph12
11-04-2010, 02:31 PM
Agreed to an extent, but its kinda difficult to do so when your whole team is shooting terrible and you carry the scoring burden that he does. He shot an oustanding percent for a 30 point scorer last year, he's only played 4 games this year, i wouldnt count on him shooting 35 percent for the season, his shot is just off.

See John Wall, avging 24ppg-10apg on 46% shooting, this while playing for the Wizards... I'm sure if Durant worked on his passing, it would open his own game up.

Trust me, I think Durant will finish Top 3 for MVP again, but I don't think he can get those 5apg. It's just not his type of play, he's more of a catch-and-shoot/iso kind of guy.

Cool007
11-04-2010, 02:37 PM
I am not worried about Durant. Everyone goes through a rough stretch. It's better early than late.

He will pick it up and let's come back after a month or so and see the whole PCT will be changed big time.

Carey
11-04-2010, 02:42 PM
See John Wall, avging 24ppg-10apg on 46% shooting, this while playing for the Wizards... I'm sure if Durant worked on his passing, it would open his own game up.

Trust me, I think Durant will finish Top 3 for MVP again, but I don't think he can get those 5apg. It's just not his type of play, he's more of a catch-and-shoot/iso kind of guy.

I've already said i dont think it'll happen this year or the next couple, we just arent a good offensive team at this point. Its more of an indictment on the team then him, he has an underrated basketball IQ and passing ability.

sargon21
11-04-2010, 02:48 PM
^ no offense, but nothing about KD is underrated

jiggin
11-04-2010, 02:57 PM
better question...on his upcoming vacation, will Jiggin join the MILE HIGH club.


(keep the by yourself comments to a minimum)

:)

sep11ie
11-04-2010, 02:57 PM
He'll do it. He'll start getting more and more double teams and learn to defer to teammates more often.

jiggin
11-04-2010, 02:59 PM
He'll do it. He'll start getting more and more double teams and learn to defer to teammates more often.

are you talking about my MILE HIGH club? If so, my vacation got a lot better, yet a little weird and uncomfortable for the wife. :clap:

sep11ie
11-04-2010, 02:59 PM
better question...on his upcoming vacation, will Jiggin join the MILE HIGH club.


(keep the by yourself comments to a minimum)

:)


Bestest question... How picky are you?

(I'm not offering)

sep11ie
11-04-2010, 03:03 PM
are you talking about my MILE HIGH club? If so, my vacation got a lot better, yet a little weird and uncomfortable for the wife. :clap:

Is she open minded?

ChiSox219
11-04-2010, 03:06 PM
No chance, whatsoever.

I'll take that bet.


I've already said i dont think it'll happen this year or the next couple, we just arent a good offensive team at this point. Its more of an indictment on the team then him, he has an underrated basketball IQ and passing ability.

I agree, I've seen Durant make passes that some point guards couldn't make.

Carey
11-04-2010, 03:23 PM
^ no offense, but nothing about KD is underrated

I get the hype, because he's tall has great scoring instincts and he's only 22 so his ceiling is as high as any player in the league. Some people have chose to kinda take offense to that, but i dont think there is any argument that his defense, iq, and passing ability is underrated. Im a bit bias cuz i've watched all but 2 games as a pro but i've seriously watched him and in just about every game he makes a fantastic pass or 2. He'll average 7 to 8 rebs as well as 5 assists in couple years as he grows as a player and the team grows offensively, gets a post presence, etc.

Raph12
11-04-2010, 03:23 PM
I've already said i dont think it'll happen this year or the next couple, we just arent a good offensive team at this point. Its more of an indictment on the team then him, he has an underrated basketball IQ and passing ability.

With all due respect, Durant had the third lowest ast-to ratio last season of any wing player. If John Wall can hand out 10apg on the Wiz, Durant should be able to get atleast 3+ on the Thunder.

Carey
11-04-2010, 03:30 PM
With all due respect, Durant had the third lowest ast-to ratio last season of any wing player. If John Wall can hand out 10apg on the Wiz, Durant should be able to get atleast 3+ on the Thunder.

2 different job responsibilities, our offense is just not good and too reliant on him to score. Your post sounds good as a blanket statement, i wish it was true but at this point it isnt.

devv83
11-04-2010, 03:56 PM
Yall dudes trying to make Durant something he is not, he is not a elite ball handler or passer, and when they do put him and that role as a playmaker he usually ends up with more turnovers than assists.

Same Mold as Melo, Dominique. Scorers

Carey
11-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Yall dudes trying to make Durant something he is not, he is not a elite ball handler or passer, and when they do put him and that role as a playmaker he usually ends up with more turnovers than assists.

Same Mold as Melo, Dominique. Scorers

Who said elite??? I said underrated, he'll be more then serviceable, he's 22, it would silly to write him off as just a scorer, especially when he's already shown glimpses of more.

Raph12
11-04-2010, 04:26 PM
2 different job responsibilities, our offense is just not good and too reliant on him to score. Your post sounds good as a blanket statement, i wish it was true but at this point it isnt.

I see where you're coming from, but if you take a look at the guys who get 5+apg at the SF position, they are the primary ballhandlers on there teams. Last year only Lebron and Iggy got over 5apg at the SF position, at SG only Wade and Kobe got over 5apg; all of these guys are the primary ballhandlers on their teams.

Durant won't avg 5+apg playing with Westbrook, he'd have to play in a system where he is the primary ballhandler and to be honest, I don't think he's ready for that much responsibility just yet. Melo is critisized for his passing, but he's a much better passer than Durant atm, so IMO Durant has ways to go.

Cubsfan365
11-04-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't think so. IMO, He has not played anywhere near MVP caliber basketball so far this year

RulerSlick
11-04-2010, 07:02 PM
Yall dudes trying to make Durant something he is not, he is not a elite ball handler or passer, and when they do put him and that role as a playmaker he usually ends up with more turnovers than assists.

Same Mold as Melo, Dominique. Scorers

:clap:

JordansBulls
11-05-2010, 08:00 PM
Avging 30+ppg while shooting 35% from the floor would be terrible, he needs to stop forcing the game.

Yeah if he shoots 35% for the year, then that would be the worst ever for a volume scorer.

Baller1
11-05-2010, 08:01 PM
It will not be that bad. Guaranteed. He's been pretty atrocious, but that doesn't mean it's gonna stay that way.

MickeyMgl
11-05-2010, 08:33 PM
No. He will never average the assists.

_KB24_
11-06-2010, 12:08 AM
No, don't think think of him as a playmaker. He's a pure scorer. 5 assists is asking a lot considering Westbrook is up and coming as well.

JordansBulls
11-06-2010, 10:03 AM
No, don't think think of him as a playmaker. He's a pure scorer. 5 assists is asking a lot considering Westbrook is up and coming as well.

I'm thinking so as well. He is more of a scorer.

hard_candy
11-06-2010, 05:13 PM
He'd have to double his assists. Not likely.

devv83
11-29-2010, 11:17 AM
:laugh:

JayW_1023
11-29-2010, 11:23 AM
He is a scorer more than a playmaker. And with a guy like Westbrook he doesn't have to be a playmaker as much as Kobe, Roy or LeBron.

Minimal
11-29-2010, 11:37 AM
Never

JordansBulls
11-29-2010, 12:20 PM
:laugh:

You brought this thread back up to do this???

Baller1
11-29-2010, 12:21 PM
Bad start and now everyone's laughing. Shows the difference in age on the site, in my opinion. You'd have to be pretty young to jump to conclusions this quick, especially considering he's historically started slow every season.

devv83
11-29-2010, 01:56 PM
Bad start and now everyone's laughing. Shows the difference in age on the site, in my opinion. You'd have to be pretty young to jump to conclusions this quick, especially considering he's historically started slow every season.



Even if he had a hot start he still wouldnt avg 5 assists a game. All I hear is how Kevin Durant is such a great all around player.He is a great scorer and a good rebounder decent defender thats it. People always try to make a player something he is not.

Kevin Durant = Scorer, Dominique, George Gervin, Carmelo all the same vein.

ShadyTip
11-29-2010, 02:10 PM
I would say no

Baller1
11-29-2010, 02:19 PM
Even if he had a hot start he still wouldnt avg 5 assists a game. All I hear is how Kevin Durant is such a great all around player.He is a great scorer and a good rebounder decent defender thats it. People always try to make a player something he is not.

Kevin Durant = Scorer, Dominique, George Gervin, Carmelo all the same vein.

Amazing scorer, great rebounder, and strong defender. How is that not an all-around player? Just because he's a below average facilitator?

ManRam
11-29-2010, 02:29 PM
Bad start and now everyone's laughing. Shows the difference in age on the site, in my opinion. You'd have to be pretty young to jump to conclusions this quick, especially considering he's historically started slow every season.

There were plenty of people who didn't think there was a chance at all he'd do it before the season, so I don't think laughing...however immature it is...is something you really should get worked up about.


No chance, whatsoever.

Durant A) is not even close to being the type of player who can average 5 assists a game and B) shouldn't be trying to score 30 every night and right now isn't able to. I'm honestly kind of glad he's starting off slow, because how he got crowned this off-season, for really doing nothing (doing well in intentional play, everyone desperately trying to replace LeBron, losing in round 1). He isn't THAT good yet. He's a top 5 player...but he got crowned as the best by many people, and that was just ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets to 30 points a game again. Even if he did, to double his assist rate is just too much to ask for. With Russy, Green, Ibake, Harden etc. improving, he shouldn't have to score 30 a game, especially at such a low FG%.

BkOriginalOne
11-29-2010, 02:35 PM
Maybe. Can he get 5 dimes is the real question.

Baller1
11-29-2010, 03:15 PM
There were plenty of people who didn't think there was a chance at all he'd do it before the season, so I don't think laughing...however immature it is...is something you really should get worked up about.



Durant A) is not even close to being the type of player who can average 5 assists a game and B) shouldn't be trying to score 30 every night and right now isn't able to. I'm honestly kind of glad he's starting off slow, because how he got crowned this off-season, for really doing nothing (doing well in intentional play, everyone desperately trying to replace LeBron, losing in round 1). He isn't THAT good yet. He's a top 5 player...but he got crowned as the best by many people, and that was just ridiculous.

I wouldn't be surprised if he never gets to 30 points a game again. Even if he did, to double his assist rate is just too much to ask for. With Russy, Green, Ibake, Harden etc. improving, he shouldn't have to score 30 a game, especially at such a low FG%.

I personally don't think he will ever average 5 assists either. It's just to me, it's obvious people are "laughing" at this thread due to the simple fact that he has started off very slow.

Just kinda annoying, that's all. But I agree, he probably won't ever join this club (I think Westbrook might actually have a better chance to join :shrug:).

ChiSox219
05-01-2013, 10:02 PM
KD went 28.1/7.9/4.6 this year, anyone think he'll get to 30-5-5 at some point?

JordansBulls
05-01-2013, 10:46 PM
KD went 28.1/7.9/4.6 this year, anyone think he'll get to 30-5-5 at some point?

Gotta see him get 30 ppg first.