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Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 03:54 PM
It was a poll on ESPN. 3 was the highest answer picked.

I think 3 is fair but how much do they need to win in your eyes in the next 6 years.

Hawkeye15
10-01-2010, 03:55 PM
half the championships would do it for me I think.

JordansBulls
10-01-2010, 03:59 PM
3 of 6 titles for sure.

dc5jdm
10-01-2010, 03:59 PM
i voted 6 just because they have 2 of the best players in the game. they have a solid PF and their bench will only keep improving as the years go along.
the only way i see them not winning as many is if Kevin Durant along with D howard team up wit a solid cast. but other than that the league is theirs for a good 6 years till they get tired and lebron decides to go back to cleveland.

Ethix11
10-01-2010, 04:01 PM
I say 4. Kobe and Shaq won 3 so they Should be able to do 4 at least.

Gators123
10-01-2010, 04:02 PM
3+

ShaqShoes
10-01-2010, 04:03 PM
No less than 3.

SouthSideRookie
10-01-2010, 04:05 PM
At least 6, Kobe has five, and that was without the prophecising .

Chicagofaithful
10-01-2010, 04:08 PM
6 absolutely and no less than 7 but that option wasnt on the list. you don't go saying you're going to break the record and then be held to lesser expectations... 7 or it was a failure

CLASSOF72
10-01-2010, 04:08 PM
3-6 or it's a bust - the decision that is.

MU and UW Fan
10-01-2010, 04:10 PM
I said 4. I think the Lakers will 3 peat this year and then the following year the heat will start to make their run and win 4 out of the next 5. anything less than 3 is a failure, but i say 4 championships outta 6 years would be the expectation.

Raidaz4Life
10-01-2010, 04:10 PM
Honestly as long as they win 2 it would easily be a success with how talented the league is. I mean there is a good chance they won't win in the first few years with how stacked the Lakers are at this point. I mean 1 people could argue as a fluke but 2 is a solid number.

Hawkeye15
10-01-2010, 04:12 PM
I love the responses with 6. I mean, who cares what LeBron predicted or guaranteed, blah, blah, blah. The fact is, if they win half the championships in the next 6 years, they lived up to expectations in my book. Anything more would simply be moving towards mini-dynasty

Gators123
10-01-2010, 04:13 PM
6 absolutely and no less than 7 but that option wasnt on the list. you don't go saying you're going to break the record and then be held to lesser expectations... 7 or it was a failure

:laugh2: No.

kArSoN RyDaH
10-01-2010, 04:21 PM
finals appearances every year while winning half of them!

sixers247
10-01-2010, 04:24 PM
Seriously 2 would do it for normal fans who arnt haters like 98% of this board.

TheTakeOver24
10-01-2010, 04:29 PM
I put 6, just because I'm a Heat fan and have really high expectations.

BUT, for other people I think it should be 1, because thats one more than LeBron and Bosh won by themselves.

Ebbs
10-01-2010, 04:33 PM
1 In all honesty they all want to win. Yea that might under achieve personal goals but 1 championship ascertains them all as winners in there legacy.

AIsixersFK
10-01-2010, 04:34 PM
Every year. Anything less is unacceptable. Honestly I hope they dont win any. And if they do I wonder how LeBron will feel knowing Wade will always have one more?

asandhu23
10-01-2010, 04:39 PM
0 Championships



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAExn16hA4 ( Bosh )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJp_AoJ2cA ( LeBron )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69-FCmvgko ( Wade )

Cano4prez
10-01-2010, 04:45 PM
0 Championships



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAExn16hA4 ( Bosh )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJp_AoJ2cA ( LeBron )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69-FCmvgko ( Wade )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiF1PO036ng

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fD1MNjkPFs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzJ6l4MwtM

:)

TheTakeOver24
10-01-2010, 04:48 PM
0 Championships



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAExn16hA4 ( Bosh )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJp_AoJ2cA ( LeBron )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69-FCmvgko ( Wade )

:facepalm:
Bosh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNzJ6l4MwtM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_TwOwgEmvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLzahCgA5Rw

LeBron:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2if2iO3tUcE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NohZ1S42tFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtf7kQZC6gw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OEl8uZ3N50


Wade:
Wayyyyyy too many game winners to post.

COOLbeans
10-01-2010, 04:52 PM
any less than 3 Championships would be uncivilized

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 05:02 PM
0 Championships



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAExn16hA4 ( Bosh )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJp_AoJ2cA ( LeBron )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69-FCmvgko ( Wade )

You are a true definition of a hater.

streetballa
10-01-2010, 05:05 PM
I went with 5 just because if the star power cannot reach 90's Bulls (I know they won 6 but they will have a 7+ year for that) status it was a failure to me....all greatness should be compared to them.

Bruno
10-01-2010, 05:05 PM
This questions depends on how long they actually play together. So assuming nobody leaves, at least three.

Chacarron
10-01-2010, 05:46 PM
They need to 3-peat.

GoatMilk
10-01-2010, 05:47 PM
"Not 1, not 2, not 3 , not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7......and when i say that I'm not just up here blowing smoke"

so 8. I wont forget this LeBron

kArSoN RyDaH
10-01-2010, 05:59 PM
7. anything less with the amount of talent they have is a disappointment.

MiamiWadeCounty
10-01-2010, 06:12 PM
0 Championships



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHAExn16hA4 ( Bosh )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJp_AoJ2cA ( LeBron )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r69-FCmvgko ( Wade )

yes that was a bad miss but he had 40pts and 12 rebs in that game

beasted86
10-01-2010, 06:16 PM
That poll alone speaks volumes to the amount of Heat haters on PSD.

There has been only 1 team in the near 70 year NBA history to win at least 4 championships in a row... here you have people saying it's a complete failure if they win any less than 6 in a row.

:facepalm:

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:16 PM
The same people who think Miami will only win one or two titles are the ones saying they need to win 5-6 meet expectations. LMAO. So you think they have the talent to win 1-2, but they need to win 6 to meet your expectations. Do you all even hear yourselves!?!?!

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:17 PM
finals appearances every year while winning half of them!

so you think that the HEAT are better than Boston and Los Angeles right?

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 06:24 PM
I love the responses with 6. I mean, who cares what LeBron predicted or guaranteed, blah, blah, blah. The fact is, if they win half the championships in the next 6 years, they lived up to expectations in my book. Anything more would simply be moving towards mini-dynasty

If it's true that they have 2 of the top 3 players in the league, followed by a 3rd option that ranks in the top 10 -- something that no multiple title winning champion can can claim in the last 30 years (not the Spurs, not the Lakers, not Detroit, etc.), they are already a mini-dynasty in the making on paper. It's a fair expectation that nothing short of 5 rings in 6 years will validate the "Decision" alone. Tack on additional boasting from Heat players and their fans and I don't see why 6 championships isn't a fair expectation.

The fact is, it would take 6 rings for me to truly appreciate their on the court achievements anyway.

I'm a Lakers fan. 1 or 2 titles doesn't impress me. I'm sure there are some Celtics fans that feel the same way.

3 or 4 might get me to raise an eyebrow, but that's only if the team is coming in humble and doing what no one thought that they could do. (See, SA Spurs) But this is the mighty, stupendous, invincible HEAT that we're talking about here, and given the hype, 3-4 titles is low hanging fruit for them, right?

5 championships? Ok, you have my attention. I'll say nice things about you in polite company, but otherwise, I won't go out of my way to seek you out in a crowded room. Feel free to wave if you see me, but try not to interrupt Bill Russell or even Scottie Pippen, if they're speaking. Know your place. I'm sure you understand.

But if you really want to impress me, I mean if you want my frikkin' respect and willingness to turn the cheek to all of the bluster and mouthing off of the past Summer, hell, do what Jordan did and get 6 rings. The homage line STARTS there.

But heed this disclaimer: if Kobe gets a 6th ring first, then the Heat triumvirate of Bosh, James and Wade will have to get 7 to impress me. What can I say, I'm an adrenalin junky and they'll have to go +1 better than Kobe to give me the same rush and curl my toes.

And yeah, after all that we've endured hearing about the Heat, the least that they could do is curl our toes. Not since Don King discovered his mouth has there been so much hype!

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:26 PM
If it's true that they have 2 of the top 3 players in the league, followed by a 3rd option that ranks in the top 10 -- something that no multiple title winning champion can can claim in the last 30 years (not the Spurs, not the Lakers, not Detroit, etc.), they are already a mini-dynasty in the making on paper. It's a fair expectation that nothing short of 5 rings in 6 years will validate the "Decision" alone. Tack on additional boasting from Heat players and their fans and I don't see why 6 championships isn't a fair expectation.

The fact is, it would take 6 rings for me to truly appreciate their on the court achievements anyway.

I'm a Lakers fan and 1 or 2 titles doesn't impress me.

3 or 4 might get me to raise an eyebrow, but that's only if the team is coming in humble and doing what no one thought that they could do. But this is the HEAT and given the hype, this is low hanging fruit for them, right?

5 championships? Ok, you have my attention. I'll say nice things about you in polite company, but otherwise, I won't go out of my way to seek you out in a crowded room. Feel free to wave if you see me, but try not to interrupt Bill Russell or even Phil Jackson, if they're speaking. Know your place. I'm sure you understand.

But if you really want to impress me, I mean if you want my frikkin' respect and willingness to turn the cheek to all of the bluster and mouthing off of the past Summer, hell, do what Jordan did and get 6 rings. The homage line STARTS there.

But heed this disclaimer: if Kobe gets a 6th ring first, then the Heat triumvirate of Bosh, James and Wade will have to get 7 to impress me. What can I say, I'm adrenalin junky and they'll l have to go +1 better than Kobe to curl my toes. And yeah, after all that we've endured hearing about the Heat, the least that they could do is curl our toes.

so you are a laker fan that thinks Miami is better than LA?

Chacarron
10-01-2010, 06:30 PM
so you think that the HEAT are better than Boston and Los Angeles right?


so you are a laker fan that thinks Miami is better than LA?

A mod baiting other users. I thought I would never see the day. How are you a mod, may I ask?

beasted86
10-01-2010, 06:32 PM
If it's true that they have 2 of the top 3 players in the league, followed by a 3rd option that ranks in the top 10 -- something that no multiple title winning champion can can claim in the last 30 years (not the Spurs, not the Lakers, not Detroit, etc.), they are already a mini-dynasty in the making on paper. It's a fair expectation that nothing short of 5 rings in 6 years will validate the "Decision" alone. Tack on additional boasting from Heat players and their fans and I don't see why 6 championships isn't a fair expectation.

The fact is, it would take 6 rings for me to truly appreciate their on the court achievements anyway.

I'm a Lakers fan and 1 or 2 titles doesn't impress me.

3 or 4 might get me to raise an eyebrow, but that's only if the team is coming in humble and doing what no one thought that they could do. But this is the HEAT and given the hype, this is low hanging fruit for them, right?

5 championships? Ok, you have my attention. I'll say nice things about you in polite company, but otherwise, I won't go out of my way to seek you out in a crowded room. Feel free to wave if you see me, but try not to interrupt Bill Russell or even Phil Jackson, if they're speaking. Know your place. I'm sure you understand.

But if you really want to impress me, I mean if you want my frikkin' respect and willingness to turn the cheek to all of the bluster and mouthing off of the past Summer, hell, do what Jordan did and get 6 rings. The homage line STARTS there.

But heed this disclaimer: if Kobe gets a 6th ring first, then the Heat triumvirate of Bosh, James and Wade will have to get 7 to impress me. What can I say, I'm adrenalin junky and they'll l have to go +1 better than Kobe to curl my toes. And yeah, after all that we've endured hearing about the Heat, the least that they could do is curl our toes.

So I go back to my point... the Lakers as great of a franchise they have been, and Kobe as great as you Laker fans play him out as or any other team or any other franchise other than the Boston Celtics of the early 60s (in a 10 team league) has ever won at least 4 in a row.

And you realistically sit there with clear logic and say in today's game with a league of 30 teams that no less than 6 in a row will impress you?

Impressive. :clap:

Hoopsadvocate
10-01-2010, 06:33 PM
The same people who think Miami will only win one or two titles are the ones saying they need to win 5-6 meet expectations. LMAO. So you think they have the talent to win 1-2, but they need to win 6 to meet your expectations. Do you all even hear yourselves!?!?!

QFT

Most of the haters are complete hypocrites this poll proves it. U cant say "they wont win crap they arent as good as ____" yet say if they dont reach 6 or so championships there failures, because that means YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THAT if not it wouldnt be a dissapointment if u really think they arent good enough u wouldnt have high aspirations for them right?

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:33 PM
A mod baiting other users. I thought I would never see the day. How are you a mod, may I ask?

ummm. I ask two different users a question... b/c their logic seems shakey... if you think THAT is baiting then this forum is in trouble...

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:35 PM
QFT

Most of the haters are complete hypocrites this poll proves it. U cant say "they wont win crap they arent as good as ____" yet say if they dont reach 6 or so championships there failures, because that means YOU EXPECT THEM TO BE GOOD ENOUGH TO WIN THAT if not it wouldnt be a dissapointment if u really think they arent good enough u wouldnt have high aspirations for them right?

my point exactly. Lakers fans can't say that the Lakers are better than Miami and then claim to no be impressed if Miami beats them...even once.

Jonathan2323
10-01-2010, 06:35 PM
If you think it will take 6 rings then you are admitting that the HEAT are the best team in the league, plain and simple.

MTar786
10-01-2010, 06:36 PM
they eaither win 4 and get atleast 1 back to back or they 3peat and just win 3. if they win only 3 and dont 3peat then i would consider putting those 3 together a failure

MTar786
10-01-2010, 06:39 PM
my point exactly. Lakers fans can't say that the Lakers are better than Miami and then claim to no be impressed if Miami beats them...even once.

im a lakers fan. and im saying that on paper miami is the best team in the league. but we know who the champs are and we know the lakers team chemistry already. If LA can beat miami in the finals then id say kobe bryant has something big to do with it. I also believe that kobe should be known as the unanimous best player in basketball if they win. its gonna be tough.

the way i see it..
its either LA, Miami or boston this year. no one else even has a chance

ET92898
10-01-2010, 06:40 PM
5, Wade, Lebron and Bosh are all young and can all get better, plus Wade and Lebron are two of the best in the game.

Hoopsadvocate
10-01-2010, 06:40 PM
If it's true that they have 2 of the top 3 players in the league, followed by a 3rd option that ranks in the top 10 -- something that no multiple title winning champion can can claim in the last 30 years (not the Spurs, not the Lakers, not Detroit, etc.), they are already a mini-dynasty in the making on paper. It's a fair expectation that nothing short of 5 rings in 6 years will validate the "Decision" alone. Tack on additional boasting from Heat players and their fans and I don't see why 6 championships isn't a fair expectation.

The fact is, it would take 6 rings for me to truly appreciate their on the court achievements anyway.

I'm a Lakers fan. 1 or 2 titles doesn't impress me. I'm sure there are some Celtics fans that feel the same way.

3 or 4 might get me to raise an eyebrow, but that's only if the team is coming in humble and doing what no one thought that they could do. (See, SA Spurs) But this is the mighty, stupendous, invincible HEAT that we're talking about here, and given the hype, 3-4 titles is low hanging fruit for them, right?

5 championships? Ok, you have my attention. I'll say nice things about you in polite company, but otherwise, I won't go out of my way to seek you out in a crowded room. Feel free to wave if you see me, but try not to interrupt Bill Russell or even Scottie Pippen, if they're speaking. Know your place. I'm sure you understand.

But if you really want to impress me, I mean if you want my frikkin' respect and willingness to turn the cheek to all of the bluster and mouthing off of the past Summer, hell, do what Jordan did and get 6 rings. The homage line STARTS there.

But heed this disclaimer: if Kobe gets a 6th ring first, then the Heat triumvirate of Bosh, James and Wade will have to get 7 to impress me. What can I say, I'm an adrenalin junky and they'll have to go +1 better than Kobe to give me the same rush and curl my toes. And yeah, after all that we've endured hearing about the Heat, the least that they could do is curl our toes.

You know what thats fine to have high expectations for us just dont at the same time say stupid things (not saying u do in particular) like " your not good enough to win the title this season, " The big 3 wont mesh well and the HEAT are not a championship calibeur team this year".

Its one or the other. If u dont think we have a good shot at winning it this year but do for the next 5 years then saying voting 5 championships is reasonable. But don go saying "they will win mayb 1-2 rings playing together but ____ will eventually be better and your HEAT will fall off" and then vote that they must win 5 to meet expectations when clearly your expectations were that they could only win 1-2 rings.

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 06:41 PM
So I go back to my point... the Lakers as great of a franchise they have been, and Kobe as great as you Laker fans play him out as or any other team or any other franchise other than the Boston Celtics of the early 60s (in a 10 team league) has ever won at least 4 in a row.

And you realistically sit there with clear logic and say in today's game with a league of 30 teams that no less than 6 in a row will impress you?

Impressive. :clap:

My post clearly established what would impress me. As far as expectations, I don't have any for the Heat. The Heat, however, have established what they're expectations are for themselves. Feel free to google those boasts at your leisure.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:42 PM
im a lakers fan. and im saying that on paper miami is the best team in the league. but we know who the champs are and we know the lakers team chemistry already. If LA can beat miami in the finals then id say kobe bryant has something big to do with it. I also believe that kobe should be known as the unanimous best player in basketball if they win. its gonna be tough.

the way i see it..
its either LA, Miami or boston this year. no one else even has a chance

but see that is a cop out. You are saying miami is talented but we don't know how they will mesh (which is true)... but the question is...if you were betting money on who would win the finals this year...who would you pick?

Storch
10-01-2010, 06:43 PM
I think that winning one is enough because winning one championship is already great in itself.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:44 PM
My post clearly established what would impress me. As far as expectations, I don't have any for the Heat. The Heat, however, have established what they're expectations are for themselves. Feel free to google those boasts at your leisure.

You dont think the Lakers, Boston, Magic, etc don't all have the same expectations? They all expect to be playing for a title. The question is not what the team thinks, but rather what YOU think. You just said you have no expectations for the HEAT, thus winning one title would surpass your expectations.

Storch
10-01-2010, 06:44 PM
but see that is a cop out. You are saying miami is talented but we don't know how they will mesh (which is true)... but the question is...if you were betting money on who would win the finals this year...who would you pick?

I would honestly pick the Lakers. Because you have to take down the champ before you can be crowned the champ

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Based on public opinion as I have seen it so far this offseason, HEAT fans should be voting for 3-4 b/c they expect a lot from this team and most other fans should prob be selecting something under that since most non-HEAT fans have been picking holes in the HEAT and saying they won't win all summer...

TheTakeOver24
10-01-2010, 06:46 PM
My post clearly established what would impress me. As far as expectations, I don't have any for the Heat. The Heat, however, have established what they're expectations are for themselves. Feel free to google those boasts at your leisure.

They've said they expect to win championships, what playoff team hasn't said that?

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:47 PM
I would honestly pick the Lakers. Because you have to take down the champ before you can be crowned the champ

Thats fair coming from you b/c you already admitted that one title is enough to live up to expectations. You think the Lakers are better so if Miami beats them in your mind they are better than you thought. Thats all good. I am asking the Lakers fans that say LA is better but then say Miami needs to win 5-6 to meet expectations... That doesn't seem logical.

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 06:49 PM
ummm. I ask two different users a question... b/c their logic seems shakey... if you think THAT is baiting then this forum is in trouble...

It was a fair question, although completely missing the context of my post.

Any expectations that any of us has is as much an appeal to emotion as it is to reason. I clearly stated what would satisfy me with respect to the Heat.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have all said at one point or another, that they expect to dominate the game. Do not be upset with me if my definition of domination doesn't exactly match another's, especially given the history of the game and the accomplishments of players who have established a point of reference for that very word.

Hoopsadvocate
10-01-2010, 06:52 PM
My post clearly established what would impress me. As far as expectations, I don't have any for the Heat. The Heat, however, have established what they're expectations are for themselves. Feel free to google those boasts at your leisure.

1. Thats great that ur post establish what would "impress" but thats off topic as this thread ask how many titles will it take for them to live up to expectations not how many titles will impress u.

2. No they havent, Lebron james might have established his expectations at 6-7 (depending on tv or article as hes been quoted on both) But D wade/ Riley/Coach Spo havent established those expectations like Lebron. Its gone from "competing every year for a championship for the next 6 years" to "winning a couple of titles while were together".

With that said im sure if they win 6 titles at the end of the contracts they will be extatic but if they make 6 finals appearences and win only 4 they will look at that and be very happy aswell as it satisfies the competeing for a championship for 6 years and a couple of titles quotes. Maybe Lebron as an individual will be dissapointed (be that wether hes a competitor or ring hungry or w/e u wanna say for a diff topic) but the HEAT organization and fans expectations would definitly be lived up to.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 06:53 PM
It was a fair question, although completely missing the context of my post.

Any expectations that any of us has is as much an appeal to emotion as it is to reason. I clearly stated what would satisfy me with respect to the Heat.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have all said at one point or another, that they expect to dominate the game. Do not be upset with me if my definition of domination doesn't exactly match another's, especially given the history of the game and the accomplishments of players who have established a point of reference for that very word.

well I have watched EVERY interview with them and I can tell you, you are flat out wrong. The have said that their GOAL is to win multiple titles.... but everytime they are asked who the teams to beat are they say Boston and LA. people are looking for reasons to hate these guys... no joke. Lebron, Wade, and Bosh have not said anything different than any other player on a contender has said at one point or another.

in fact, they have said over and over again that they will have to work harder than ever if they want to win...

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 06:55 PM
You dont think the Lakers, Boston, Magic, etc don't all have the same expectations? They all expect to be playing for a title. The question is not what the team thinks, but rather what YOU think. You just said you have no expectations for the HEAT, thus winning one title would surpass your expectations.

Not so. Apathy is often coined in those terms.

beasted86
10-01-2010, 06:57 PM
I voted 4.

I think 4 championships out of this group is a realistic expectation. Less would mean they underachieved IMO. If they can actually win 4 in a row though that would exceed expectations since doing that would put them in an elite category with only 1 better team. I think they need to win 4 in a row to live up to the "dynasty" term BTW.

MTar786
10-01-2010, 06:57 PM
but see that is a cop out. You are saying miami is talented but we don't know how they will mesh (which is true)... but the question is...if you were betting money on who would win the finals this year...who would you pick?

i would place my bet after the trade deadline only.
that would give me time to see if miami lives up to expectations.
it would also give me time to make sure miami doesnt add a good big to their team.

btw.. when was that a question?

MTar786
10-01-2010, 06:58 PM
I voted 4.

I think 4 championships out of this group is a realistic expectation. Less would mean they underachieved IMO. If they can actually win 4 in a row though that would exceed expectations since doing that would put them in an elite category with only 1 better team.

totally agree

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 06:58 PM
I have watched EVERY interview with them and I can tell you, you are flat out wrong.


I guess we both are left questioning one another's credibility here.

Hoopsadvocate
10-01-2010, 06:59 PM
It was a fair question, although completely missing the context of my post.

Any expectations that any of us has is as much an appeal to emotion as it is to reason. I clearly stated what would satisfy me with respect to the Heat.

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh have all said at one point or another, that they expect to dominate the game. Do not be upset with me if my definition of domination doesn't exactly match another's, especially given the history of the game and the accomplishments of players who have established a point of reference for that very word.

Wrong again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrEejmIZ0y4

They clearly say they expect to face challenges and struggles specifically with respect to boston and LA. They never say they plan on "dominating" further proof most of u dont know what ur talking about ur just making them out to be bad guys when they're really not.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 07:00 PM
i would place my bet after the trade deadline only.
that would give me time to see if miami lives up to expectations.
it would also give me time to make sure miami doesnt add a good big to their team.

btw.. when was that a question?

It is my question to you. Its the hater test.... lol.

If you are a heat hater you cant also say that they have to win 5 to meet expectations...

Denver-boy
10-01-2010, 07:01 PM
its 3 or more, i do expect a chicago Bulls, MJ, Pippen, Rodman out those Guys, I Actually Expect 3 or more titles.... thats just me... ps i know Mj, pippen, and Rodman won more than 3 titles, dont me confused, i ment play like them...or something like em, LBJ will Never Touch MJ.... to get it right with the bull fans

MTar786
10-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Thats fair coming from you b/c you already admitted that one title is enough to live up to expectations. You think the Lakers are better so if Miami beats them in your mind they are better than you thought. Thats all good. I am asking the Lakers fans that say LA is better but then say Miami needs to win 5-6 to meet expectations... That doesn't seem logical.

i think that maybe they say miami needs atleast 4 or 5 titles cuz of the fact that the three of them uniting as a team has tainted their careers.. the only thing that could make up for it is a load of championships.. DOMINATING the nba as those guys SHOULD. if u took prime kobe, prime shaq and prime karl malone or something then you would EXPECT them to dominate the nba for MANY MANY years or else it would be a huge failure. i dont think they are saying miami is not talented

Mplsman
10-01-2010, 07:03 PM
I think 3 titles should do it.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 07:06 PM
anyways....HEAT scrimmage is starting on NBAtv....its been fun guys...peace :)

MTar786
10-01-2010, 07:07 PM
It is my question to you. Its the hater test.... lol.

If you are a heat hater you cant also say that they have to win 5 to meet expectations...
they should at least win 4
or atleast 3peat. 3 in a row

if they do 4 in a row id say they rise beyond expectations.

i dont like the heat cuz i feel they have no competitive nature and dont seem to wanna compete with eachother. its like a sign of the nba becoming a wnba instead of how it was before. feel like the days of spirits like the mjs and the magics, birds, kobes are gone.

but it wouldnt make me biased. the heat are a team that i can guarantee will win atleast 2 titles. wade used to be my 2nd fav player.. but i dont like him anymore. doesnt make me a hater. i just dont like the fact that he's become cocky and that he wouldnt mind teaming up with his rivals instead of challenging them.

iduno how kobe does it.. but he keeps talking about how hes happy for them. hasnt said one harsh thing at all. the crazy part is that he GENUINELY seems happy for bron and wade

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 07:09 PM
Wrong again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrEejmIZ0y4

They clearly say they expect to face challenges and struggles specifically with respect to boston and LA. They never say they plan on "dominating" further proof most of u dont know what ur talking about ur just making them out to be bad guys when they're really not.

Why so defensive? I never called into question the character of any of the Heat players. I don't think they're "bad guys" nor am I trying to color them in that light. I'm simply responding to the post based on the information that I've gleaned through interviews and published reports. I forget whether it was LeBron or Wade, but one of them did indeed state (paraphrased) that they full expected to dominate the league. They've since stepped back from that precipice and are commenting in a more humble, responsible manner to their credit.

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 07:13 PM
Why so defensive? I never called into question the character of any of the Heat players. I don't think they're "bad guys" nor am I trying to color them in that light. I'm simply responding to the post based on the information that I've gleaned through interviews and published reports. I forget whether it was LeBron or Wade, but one of them did indeed state (paraphrased) that they full expected to dominate the league. They've since stepped back from that precipice and are commenting in a more humble, responsible manner to their credit.

Well you did kinda make it look like the Heat were cocky when they said that they would dominate(which they didn't even say at all).

RaiderLakersA's
10-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Well you did kinda make it look like the Heat were cocky when they said that they would dominate(which they didn't even say at all).

My sarcastic wit gets the better of me sometimes.

DeShaun Brown
10-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Based on the hype they've received 6.

Wade>You
10-01-2010, 08:38 PM
6 IMO anything else is a failure.

Hawkeye15
10-01-2010, 08:48 PM
its ironic that fans here are holding the Heat to standards no team has ever been held to, then in another thread, will crap on them and say they haven't proven a thing and won't win more than a ring or two.
I understand this summer was difficult for Cavs fans, Raps fans, and fans that don't like LeBron. But at some point, everyone will need to get over it and let the cards fall. Winning 7 in a row is too much to ask of any team in today's NBA. Any Laker fan in here saying that nothing short of winning all 6 in a row are basically stating they think the Heat are better than the Lakers. Which I know for a fact they don't believe, as should any rational fan at this moment.
The hatred for LeBron has risen to a level I have never seen in my basketball days. And now his team gets the hate, simply because he is on it. I understand he was a punk the way he left, with the decision, but he honored his deal, never whined, and gave it his all. Bosh is the same. You want everyone to overlook, or forgive Kobe for demanding a trade, calling out Bynum, being involved in a rape trial, but call LeBron a scumbag for dancing on the floor. The double standards on this site have got to stop amongst the veteran posters.
Miami has a lot to prove. They also have a lot of games to be played before anyone has a reason to love or hate them. At some point, you need to put your hatred and complete bias aside, and enjoy the ride. I absolutely despise both Kobe and the Lakers. But I would be insane to not recognize their/his greatness, and show respect to what I have witnessed over the past 11 years.

Long story short, get the FK over it guys. If they win 3 of the next 6, they have totally met expectations in my book. Anything more than that is just establishing all time dominance in a small period of time.

Bruno
10-01-2010, 08:56 PM
The same people who think Miami will only win one or two titles are the ones saying they need to win 5-6 meet expectations. LMAO. So you think they have the talent to win 1-2, but they need to win 6 to meet your expectations. Do you all even hear yourselves!?!?!

lol, :clap:

Bruno
10-01-2010, 08:58 PM
Anything less than three would be a disappointment. Anything more than three puts them in the discussion for all time great dynasties. With four, they'd be near the back of that line (the dynasty line mind you- very elite) with each additional title pushing them further up the line.

LALakersKC
10-01-2010, 09:03 PM
Anything less than three would be a disappointment. Anything more than three puts them in the discussion for all time great dynasties. With four, they'd be near the back of that line (the dynasty line mind you- very elite) with each additional title pushing them further up the line.

Agreed.

xM1GSx
10-01-2010, 09:05 PM
4-6 bc of all the hype they are recieving before hand

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 09:30 PM
Do you people realized there is a difference between true expectations and hype by bandwagons?

Also, what I don't get is that you haters out there always complain that Heat fans claim that they will win 6 titles when they haven't proven anything and they gotta beat the proven teams yet those same people who said they were given too much praise ends up saying they need to win 6 titles. Hypocritical much?

jerellh528
10-01-2010, 09:36 PM
depends on who's expectations, HEAT "fans" probably expect them to win every year after next year..I think the rest of us just want to see them win a game first.

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 09:49 PM
depends on who's expectations, HEAT "fans" probably expect them to win every year after next year..I think the rest of us just want to see them win a game first.

So then why the hell are you people voting 6 titles?

If you hate the hype Heat fans are giving, why are you going with what they are saying that they need to win titles one after another?

swaddell13
10-01-2010, 09:50 PM
i think they need 6 to live up to the hype... will they get 6? nah

eXpLiiCt
10-01-2010, 09:59 PM
lmao @ 6 titles

Heater4life
10-01-2010, 10:09 PM
Anything less than three would be a disappointment. Anything more than three puts them in the discussion for all time great dynasties. With four, they'd be near the back of that line (the dynasty line mind you- very elite) with each additional title pushing them further up the line.

Also a major factor is how they win, 4 total and 4 in a row are completely different. Also, how badly they beat teams is a factor. Thats why the Bulls are forever enshrined, they just flat out dominated.

EDIT: Anyone know the last team to win more than 3 titles in a row? As far as i know it was the Bill Russell Celts but i could be wrong. Those guys won 8 in a row!!!

jerellh528
10-01-2010, 10:49 PM
So then why the hell are you people voting 6 titles?

If you hate the hype Heat fans are giving, why are you going with what they are saying that they need to win titles one after another?

please quote me saying that. I didnt even vote btw, im reserving judgment untill atleast they play a game first. As of right now they have 0 expectations for a title in my mind, maybe next season if they reach the playoffs this year.

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 10:53 PM
please quote me saying that. I didnt even vote btw, im reserving judgment untill atleast they play a game first. As of right now they have 0 expectations for a title in my mind, maybe next season if they reach the playoffs this year.

When I said "you", I didn't literally mean you. It was directed to other people. I just used you cuz no one else has the balls no make a good point.

HakeemTheDream
10-01-2010, 11:05 PM
2 or 3 is good enough, not many people are expecting them to win it this year. And Wade will start declining in a couple of years

spartanbear
10-01-2010, 11:05 PM
its ironic that fans here are holding the Heat to standards no team has ever been held to, then in another thread, will crap on them and say they haven't proven a thing and won't win more than a ring or two.
I understand this summer was difficult for Cavs fans, Raps fans, and fans that don't like LeBron. But at some point, everyone will need to get over it and let the cards fall. Winning 7 in a row is too much to ask of any team in today's NBA. Any Laker fan in here saying that nothing short of winning all 6 in a row are basically stating they think the Heat are better than the Lakers. Which I know for a fact they don't believe, as should any rational fan at this moment.
The hatred for LeBron has risen to a level I have never seen in my basketball days. And now his team gets the hate, simply because he is on it. I understand he was a punk the way he left, with the decision, but he honored his deal, never whined, and gave it his all. Bosh is the same. You want everyone to overlook, or forgive Kobe for demanding a trade, calling out Bynum, being involved in a rape trial, but call LeBron a scumbag for dancing on the floor. The double standards on this site have got to stop amongst the veteran posters.
Miami has a lot to prove. They also have a lot of games to be played before anyone has a reason to love or hate them. At some point, you need to put your hatred and complete bias aside, and enjoy the ride. I absolutely despise both Kobe and the Lakers. But I would be insane to not recognize their/his greatness, and show respect to what I have witnessed over the past 11 years.

Long story short, get the FK over it guys. If they win 3 of the next 6, they have totally met expectations in my book. Anything more than that is just establishing all time dominance in a small period of time.

I MUST agree with this post and because I'm a rational and levelheaded fan I'll simply say to meet expectations they merely need to win 1 title. I do believe however that lbj would have won a ring in Cleveland eventually just not next year. That said, that 1 title MUST be obtained this coming season. From my understanding the purpose of bringing this group to together was to WIN and WIN NOW! NOT to simply compete. They were competing (particularly wade and lbj) every year on their former teams. So to meet expectations they have to win 1. This season.

kjoke
10-01-2010, 11:09 PM
as a heat fan i dont care about expectations i just want to win them ALL

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 11:10 PM
as a heat fan i dont care about expectations i just want to win them ALL

That pretty much means that if they don't win them all, you'd be disappointed.

Verbal Christ
10-01-2010, 11:14 PM
didnt lebron say they would win 7?

Raps08-09 Champ
10-01-2010, 11:16 PM
didnt lebron say they would win 7?

See that's my problem. You really think Lebron are down to heart serious with that?

It was more of him hyping up Miami fans for many exciting years. He was trying to say that the Heat will be successful.

He didn't literally mean that the Heat will win 7. It's called an exaguration. Don't they teach that in school?

Bramaca
10-01-2010, 11:20 PM
I don't know if the number that they win is as important as how soon they win. They have to win one within the first two years. If they do win one in the first two years then the players, coaches, management, media, and fans will all be convinced and appeased that it is working well enough to continue and try to win more. If they don't win in the first two years then I imagine that things will start to fall apart; fans and media will be going crazy and coming up with theories about how it isn't working, the players can't work together, somebody isn't getting enough touches or somebody is getting too many. The amount of negative coverage will be enough that it would create enough doubt or resentment between management, the coaches, and Wade, Lebron, Bosh that it will be almost impossible to continue.

uprightciti
10-01-2010, 11:21 PM
i go with 3 finals appearances then 2 championships

2010-2011 Finals lose against Lakers
2011-2012 NOT IN FINALS
2012-2013 Win against OKC (pending world does not end as a result of end of Mayan calender, lol)
2013- 2014 Win against OKC/SAC
2014-2015 NOT IN FINALS
2015-2016 NOT IN FINALS

at the end of the 2016 season
WADE: 34
BOSH: 34
LEBRON: 32 (DEMANDS TRADE BACK TO CLEAVLAND)

And with all hope over the course of the next 6 years for the sake of the city of Cleavland they will compile a nice bunch of awesome 1st rounders
Lebron comes back and wins them a ring to bury the hatchet

HakeemTheDream
10-01-2010, 11:23 PM
didnt lebron say they would win 7?

He probably said something like I like the movie Seven and then the media somehow twisted that into he said he's going to win 7

ATX
10-01-2010, 11:26 PM
its ironic that fans here are holding the Heat to standards no team has ever been held to, then in another thread, will crap on them and say they haven't proven a thing and won't win more than a ring or two.
I understand this summer was difficult for Cavs fans, Raps fans, and fans that don't like LeBron. But at some point, everyone will need to get over it and let the cards fall. Winning 7 in a row is too much to ask of any team in today's NBA. Any Laker fan in here saying that nothing short of winning all 6 in a row are basically stating they think the Heat are better than the Lakers. Which I know for a fact they don't believe, as should any rational fan at this moment.
The hatred for LeBron has risen to a level I have never seen in my basketball days. And now his team gets the hate, simply because he is on it. I understand he was a punk the way he left, with the decision, but he honored his deal, never whined, and gave it his all. Bosh is the same. You want everyone to overlook, or forgive Kobe for demanding a trade, calling out Bynum, being involved in a rape trial, but call LeBron a scumbag for dancing on the floor. The double standards on this site have got to stop amongst the veteran posters.
Miami has a lot to prove. They also have a lot of games to be played before anyone has a reason to love or hate them. At some point, you need to put your hatred and complete bias aside, and enjoy the ride. I absolutely despise both Kobe and the Lakers. But I would be insane to not recognize their/his greatness, and show respect to what I have witnessed over the past 11 years.

Long story short, get the FK over it guys. If they win 3 of the next 6, they have totally met expectations in my book. Anything more than that is just establishing all time dominance in a small period of time.

^A really great post.

I couldn't agree more. Yes, my expectation is also set at 3 titles for this team. Anything less to me would be a big disappointment, and anything more would just be gravy.

daleja424
10-01-2010, 11:26 PM
^The Celtics big 3 went to finals last year at the ages of 33, 34, and 35...

kjoke
10-01-2010, 11:26 PM
i see it like this

2010 vs lakers 4-2
2011 vs okc 4-1
2012 vs. okc 4-3
2013 vs. someone 4-3
2014 vs someone 3-4

in the next 5 years they win 4

JCmasta
10-01-2010, 11:32 PM
Probably 4 or 5, 2 out of the top 3 in the world, and a guy that's probably in the top 15-20. Surrounding cast is also serviceable.

TylerSL
10-02-2010, 12:12 AM
That pretty much means that if they don't win them all, you'd be disappointed.

well duh, thats retarted to point out. Anybody is disapointed when their team loses. For instince, I am a Cubs fan and I get disapointed all the time, that doesnt mean failure tho.

p.s. 2008 was a FAILURE by the Cubs tho :pity:

Jenceman
10-02-2010, 12:31 AM
Anything less than 3 would be a disappointment with all the hype that's been thrown their way.

AlexanderPearce
10-02-2010, 12:32 AM
Got to go with 4! 3 would be great but these three together are hyped up to redefine great. Injury will get them at least one year and Miami 2.0 in some city will emerge. It has to.

Storch
10-02-2010, 01:49 AM
The same people who think Miami will only win one or two titles are the ones saying they need to win 5-6 meet expectations. LMAO. So you think they have the talent to win 1-2, but they need to win 6 to meet your expectations. Do you all even hear yourselves!?!?!

Put me on the list of laker fans that actually think logically. I voted for 1 title would prove the critics wrong. (ala celtics big three a few years ago, they were great, and still great)

Jonathan2323
10-02-2010, 02:11 AM
If the HEAT win this year, which i think will happen, they will get 5+ championships.


3 would mean they lived up to expectations, but this team will get better every year.

Hoopsadvocate
10-02-2010, 02:34 AM
its ironic that fans here are holding the Heat to standards no team has ever been held to, then in another thread, will crap on them and say they haven't proven a thing and won't win more than a ring or two. I understand this summer was difficult for Cavs fans, Raps fans, and fans that don't like LeBron. But at some point, everyone will need to get over it and let the cards fall. Winning 7 in a row is too much to ask of any team in today's NBA. Any Laker fan in here saying that nothing short of winning all 6 in a row are basically stating they think the Heat are better than the Lakers. Which I know for a fact they don't believe, as should any rational fan at this moment.
The hatred for LeBron has risen to a level I have never seen in my basketball days. And now his team gets the hate, simply because he is on it. I understand he was a punk the way he left, with the decision, but he honored his deal, never whined, and gave it his all. Bosh is the same. You want everyone to overlook, or forgive Kobe for demanding a trade, calling out Bynum, being involved in a rape trial, but call LeBron a scumbag for dancing on the floor. The double standards on this site have got to stop amongst the veteran posters.
Miami has a lot to prove. They also have a lot of games to be played before anyone has a reason to love or hate them. At some point, you need to put your hatred and complete bias aside, and enjoy the ride. I absolutely despise both Kobe and the Lakers. But I would be insane to not recognize their/his greatness, and show respect to what I have witnessed over the past 11 years.

Long story short, get the FK over it guys. If they win 3 of the next 6, they have totally met expectations in my book. Anything more than that is just establishing all time dominance in a small period of time.

:sigh: if only more posters were as reasonable as you. Well said though especially the bolded parts.

THE MTL
10-02-2010, 02:34 AM
3 titles to establish dynasty status....but then again Lebron said not 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, or 6 LMAO!

kobe_23chembace
10-02-2010, 03:38 AM
none..you heard it right,, 0 tiltle in this seaSON ,thus next season they will win it all till their last breath..damn,their so good,,theirs no reason for them not to win,.

Antipod
10-02-2010, 03:52 AM
3/4 titles

Blackmoon1104
10-02-2010, 04:18 AM
I really liked Dwayne Wade. I hope this team never makes it to the finals. They disgust me.

Raps08-09 Champ
10-02-2010, 06:10 PM
I really liked Dwayne Wade. I hope this team never makes it to the finals. They disgust me.

A lot of hate right there.

Just cuz you don't like them, you don't want them to be successful?

I don't like some people but if they succeed, I would appreciate it. I'm not going to hate on them because they won.

NYY09
10-02-2010, 06:22 PM
If the three of them can walk like Travolta down Ocean Drive together dressed in all white while Stayin Alive plays in the background they would surpass all expectations, no titles necessary.

RCarlson85
10-02-2010, 07:06 PM
6 absolutely and no less than 7 but that option wasnt on the list. you don't go saying you're going to break the record and then be held to lesser expectations... 7 or it was a failure

7, are you serious? Lets get real. I'm a diehard Heat fan and I don't expect 6 or 7 titles in a row. That's just not realistic.

NYKalltheway
10-02-2010, 07:52 PM
3 or 4. I say 4

Bulls with Jordan got 3 consecutive (twice)

There's no serious competition for the Heat compared to what the Bulls had to face, specially the first three-peat.

4 -> Wade reaches 5 NBA championships, equal to Kobe.
Lebron gets 4 in a row, 1 more than Jordan

Basically that's it.

1-2 means nothing really. It would mean a lot for the Heat fans, but there are too high expectations I think now

CubsBullsBucs
10-02-2010, 08:12 PM
lebron the f@g saidnot 3, not 4, not 5, not 6,... so probobly 7, why isnt that an option?

TheTakeOver24
10-02-2010, 08:17 PM
lebron the f@g saidnot 3, not 4, not 5, not 6,... so probobly 7, why isnt that an option?

he also said not 7... get your facts straight!

HoopsDrive
10-02-2010, 08:19 PM
3-4 I'd say. More than 4 and imo they have exceeded their expectations.

beasted86
10-02-2010, 08:20 PM
A lot of hate right there.

Just cuz you don't like them, you don't want them to be successful?

I don't like some people but if they succeed, I would appreciate it. I'm not going to hate on them because they won.

I'm fine with anyone hating on any team or player hoping that they lose... the only thing I'm against is when they let the hate branch off into conspiracy theories & excuses. "Refs fixed the game", "If ... wasn't injured" , "David Stern..." as long as they just admit the other team was just better it's all good.

Hangtime
10-02-2010, 08:46 PM
3 is good. In that span of time I expect other superteams to form in the same mold to form a formidable challenge to them. But Miami should at least win 3

Heater4life
10-02-2010, 08:53 PM
3 is good. In that span of time I expect other superteams to form in the same mold to form a formidable challenge to them. But Miami should at least win 3

As a Heat fan, i can only hope.

godolphins
10-02-2010, 09:05 PM
Not less than 3

mjt20mik
10-02-2010, 09:10 PM
EDIT:

Probably 4 or a 3 peat.

ryder78c
10-02-2010, 09:13 PM
not 6 not 7.......8....not in a row though i see them get 1 dynasty then a bunch of titles here and there the championship this year celtics vs lakers next year heat vs...hopfully the blazers

Jewelz0376
10-02-2010, 11:35 PM
I put for 4.. I don't think they'll win this year, but they will be able to add more talent with the mle...and after that i expect them to win about 4 titles

footballer2369
10-02-2010, 11:49 PM
It would be really great
If they could get eight

NYtilIdie
10-02-2010, 11:51 PM
Its championship or bust each year IMO. How do you not win a championship when you have two Top 5 players in the league and a Top 5 bigman?

If you don't win a championship each year then somebody deserves to get fired.

Brooklyn Mets
10-03-2010, 12:49 AM
5

tredigs
10-03-2010, 07:54 AM
Its championship or bust each year IMO. How do you not win a championship when you have two Top 5 players in the league and a Top 5 bigman?

If you don't win a championship each year then somebody deserves to get fired.

There are a handful of teams that are going to give those guys hell each season. And this season alone, they'll be even odds at best against LA should those two meet in the finals (I'd say they'd be underdogs, but in all likelihood, they'll have HCA).

This league is incredibly tough at the upper echelon, with both both hugely competitive solid veteran clubs like Boston and LA, "X-factor" teams that could knock them out due to matchup problems (Orlando), and then the young guns like OKC and Portland who are probably going to start making some big time noise in the next year.

On top of that, injuries play a huge role in this sport, so this is the trouble they face assuming they're 100% healthy. If not, it only gets tougher on them.

That said, obviously this core is incredible and their expectations are through the roof (by them, and everyone else). I would say that 4 of 6 finals appearances, with 3 resulting in titles would be the benchmark that they can shoot for, although - as good as this team is - I think even that is going to be incredibly difficult given the talent of some of the teams in this league.

It's funny to me seeing the guys who honestly expect them to just strut to "6 titles or bust". I can understand the sentiment (mostly haters looking to find a reason to call them out), but I don't care WTF is on your team, winning every ring for the majority of a decade would be absolutely insane, and make them one of the GOAT teams, if not the greatest.

todu82
10-03-2010, 08:19 AM
3 for me as well.

mully
10-03-2010, 08:19 AM
I said 4. I think the Lakers will 3 peat this year and then the following year the heat will start to make their run and win 4 out of the next 5. anything less than 3 is a failure, but i say 4 championships outta 6 years would be the expectation.

I agree with this. I would prefer if they didn't win any.

97NYer
10-03-2010, 08:40 AM
4 titles.

samevans7
10-03-2010, 08:59 AM
lol at the people who say 7 or 8 titles... i did not know you could win 7 titles in 6 seasons!!

RaJAxTWa
10-03-2010, 09:12 AM
u heard micheal jordan 10 of lebrons champions equals one of kobes.. so for me its 50 hahaha

kingkenny01
10-03-2010, 09:29 AM
they make it to the finals every year of their contracts, lose the first, 4-peat, lose the last

Khalifa21
10-03-2010, 09:33 AM
3 or 4 I can imagine is pretty expected...

King Of Kings
10-03-2010, 10:24 AM
who knew you could buy championships

Hawkeye15
10-03-2010, 10:42 AM
who knew you could buy championships

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm

happened the last 2 years....

king james
10-03-2010, 10:50 AM
I say they need to win 6. The reason why I say that is cuz I think they could win 3 if it was just bosh and wade with a few more good players signed. But to get the reiging 2x MVP at only 25yrs old and still able to put a good supporting cast around them. I say no less than 6.

Storch
10-03-2010, 12:22 PM
As long as Kobe is wearing the purple and gold, I don't see any team getting a back to back title.

Sly Guy
10-03-2010, 12:29 PM
7.....cuz that's what lebron promised.

Matrix3132
10-03-2010, 12:48 PM
I can't believe some people are saying 6. In 6 years, wade will be 34 (and with his poor shooting, once the athleticism goes he will decline quickly), lebron 31 (with probably the most minutes and wear on a 31-year old body in nba history), and chris bosh will be 32 (with questionable toughness and a limber frame to keep pounding every night). There WILL be injuries, there always is! Therefore, each of them will probably have at least one season missing 50+ games (maybe more) and unless they retool with another star, people will only expect 3-4 by that time....

bryan71023
10-03-2010, 12:57 PM
Zero!!!

BkOriginalOne
10-03-2010, 01:10 PM
I say Lakers win this year and Miami next year. I'm picking them for 2 because of the rise of the Thunder, Kings and maybe even the Knicks depending on where Melo and Cp3 land.

The east is theirs after this season, though.

DODGERS&LAKERS
10-03-2010, 01:24 PM
its ironic that fans here are holding the Heat to standards no team has ever been held to, then in another thread, will crap on them and say they haven't proven a thing and won't win more than a ring or two.
I understand this summer was difficult for Cavs fans, Raps fans, and fans that don't like LeBron. But at some point, everyone will need to get over it and let the cards fall. Winning 7 in a row is too much to ask of any team in today's NBA. Any Laker fan in here saying that nothing short of winning all 6 in a row are basically stating they think the Heat are better than the Lakers. Which I know for a fact they don't believe, as should any rational fan at this moment.
The hatred for LeBron has risen to a level I have never seen in my basketball days. And now his team gets the hate, simply because he is on it. I understand he was a punk the way he left, with the decision, but he honored his deal, never whined, and gave it his all. Bosh is the same. You want everyone to overlook, or forgive Kobe for demanding a trade, calling out Bynum, being involved in a rape trial, but call LeBron a scumbag for dancing on the floor. The double standards on this site have got to stop amongst the veteran posters.
Miami has a lot to prove. They also have a lot of games to be played before anyone has a reason to love or hate them. At some point, you need to put your hatred and complete bias aside, and enjoy the ride. I absolutely despise both Kobe and the Lakers. But I would be insane to not recognize their/his greatness, and show respect to what I have witnessed over the past 11 years.

Long story short, get the FK over it guys. If they win 3 of the next 6, they have totally met expectations in my book. Anything more than that is just establishing all time dominance in a small period of time.

You know what is funny and ultra hypocritical to me? The fact that you tell Laker fans to get the FK over it, but you still bring up stuff that happened up to 7 years ago. You call out Laker fans for calling out Lebron, because I guess you and a lot of others believe we can have no opinion on the actions of another player because as you and a lot of other posters love to bring up, (in my whiniest ***** voice possible) "Well, at least he didn't go to trial for rape" Or, "Kobe demanded a trade too!!!"

I don't care what Kobe may or may have not done. It has no bearing on what my opinion should be of another player if he does or says something dumb. Not that Lebron even did something dumb. But I cant stand that fact that if I say "Lebron should not have had that press conference" Heat fans and Lebron jock riders say "You cant say anything, Kobe raped someone"

There have been a lot of posters from a lot of different teams saying they need 4,5, or 6. But you only call out Laker fans because Kobe is on the team. I'll use your own words to talk to the other posters, and hope you take your own advise. Get the FK over it.

footballer2369
10-03-2010, 01:35 PM
I say Lakers win this year and Miami next year. I'm picking them for 2 because of the rise of the Thunder, Kings and maybe even the Knicks depending on where Melo and Cp3 land.

The east is theirs after this season, though.

Kings, Thunder etc. will be good young teams BUT we're talking about 3 young players who are top 10 in the league...

Neither the Kings nor the Thunder will be able to get near that from a talent standpoint. The Kings could have 2 top 20 players eventually. The Thunder could have a top 5 and a top 25.

But as currently structured, they are incomparable talent-wise.

Raps08-09 Champ
10-03-2010, 01:52 PM
You know what is funny and ultra hypocritical to me? The fact that you tell Laker fans to get the FK over it, but you still bring up stuff that happened up to 7 years ago. You call out Laker fans for calling out Lebron, because I guess you and a lot of others believe we can have no opinion on the actions of another player because as you and a lot of other posters love to bring up, (in my whiniest ***** voice possible) "Well, at least he didn't go to trial for rape" Or, "Kobe demanded a trade too!!!"

I don't care what Kobe may or may have not done. It has no bearing on what my opinion should be of another player if he does or says something dumb. Not that Lebron even did something dumb. But I cant stand that fact that if I say "Lebron should not have had that press conference" Heat fans and Lebron jock riders say "You cant say anything, Kobe raped someone"

There have been a lot of posters from a lot of different teams saying they need 4,5, or 6. But you only call out Laker fans because Kobe is on the team. I'll use your own words to talk to the other posters, and hope you take your own advise. Get the FK over it.

So because Heat fans are jackasses, you should act like one too? Who cares if the Heat fans act like dumbasses? Half of the Heat posters here are bandwagoners and new posters who are like 13 years old anyways. You just add on to the porblem by targeting all Heat fans just because some are waste youtes.

jerellh528
10-03-2010, 07:54 PM
HAHA everyone is passing out heat titles like if it was candy, I dont have any expectations for them to win a title before I even see them play a game, they could turn out like the 04 lakers. but if they do win then..cool i guess.

Hoopsadvocate
10-03-2010, 08:21 PM
Also a funny side not im sure if the heat do live up to some of the rediculous expectations some have claimed to have for them, 95% of those people will ironically hate on them if they do reach that expectation.

I would expect to hear things like "they ruined the nba" "its not even fun to watch anymore they always win" and "Its not fair that their all on the same team its impossible to beat them" after 6 or so titles by the same people who would label them dissapointments for not living up to the expectations they set in attempt to degrade what they can do.

Hawkeye15
10-03-2010, 08:26 PM
You know what is funny and ultra hypocritical to me? The fact that you tell Laker fans to get the FK over it, but you still bring up stuff that happened up to 7 years ago. You call out Laker fans for calling out Lebron, because I guess you and a lot of others believe we can have no opinion on the actions of another player because as you and a lot of other posters love to bring up, (in my whiniest ***** voice possible) "Well, at least he didn't go to trial for rape" Or, "Kobe demanded a trade too!!!"

I don't care what Kobe may or may have not done. It has no bearing on what my opinion should be of another player if he does or says something dumb. Not that Lebron even did something dumb. But I cant stand that fact that if I say "Lebron should not have had that press conference" Heat fans and Lebron jock riders say "You cant say anything, Kobe raped someone"

There have been a lot of posters from a lot of different teams saying they need 4,5, or 6. But you only call out Laker fans because Kobe is on the team. I'll use your own words to talk to the other posters, and hope you take your own advise. Get the FK over it.


exactly. You proved my point for me. I wrote those words because LeBron is being persecuted for no reason outside pure hatred for him. He has done NOTHING wrong, while Kobe has done many documented things, yet everyone GOT THE FK OVER IT. And Laker fans, and all fans, should do the same. I respect Kobe and the Lakers, basketball wise, because I am able to overlook all of that. Most of you should do the same.

I am not really worried. Most people are like goldfish, and have short term memories. This will all go away shortly.

dtmagnet
10-03-2010, 08:41 PM
I don't expect them to be as good as everyone thinks, winning a championship is not an easy task. If you can win just one championship it is a huge accomplishment.

JPHX
10-03-2010, 09:13 PM
ill be rooting for them after my suns get knocked out of the playoffs.

jerellh528
10-03-2010, 11:00 PM
Kings, Thunder etc. will be good young teams BUT we're talking about 3 young players who are top 10 in the league...

Neither the Kings nor the Thunder will be able to get near that from a talent standpoint. The Kings could have 2 top 20 players eventually. The Thunder could have a top 5 and a top 25.

But as currently structured, they are incomparable talent-wise.

who are the heats 3 top 10 players :confused:

tredigs
10-03-2010, 11:14 PM
who are the heats 3 top 10 players :confused:

Well, Chris Bosh isn't exactly a scrub bud. That guy's going to have a field day playing with this Heat team; it wasn't fluke chance that he finished the season 4th in PER (only behind Lebron, Wade and Durant, and just ahead of Duncan + D. Howard).

Pretty silly/stupid that people are sleeping on him.

To go slightly against my prior posts, I will say that any year that this team (if moderately healthy) doesn't win is going to be both a surprise and a disappointment for them. On paper, they're already one of the best teams ever (tho' their achilles heel of paint protection is being overrated, it's noticeable). Now it's time for them to prove it.

DODGERS&LAKERS
10-04-2010, 02:08 AM
exactly. You proved my point for me. I wrote those words because LeBron is being persecuted for no reason outside pure hatred for him. He has done NOTHING wrong, while Kobe has done many documented things, yet everyone GOT THE FK OVER IT. And Laker fans, and all fans, should do the same. I respect Kobe and the Lakers, basketball wise, because I am able to overlook all of that. Most of you should do the same.

I am not really worried. Most people are like goldfish, and have short term memories. This will all go away shortly.

What many documented things are you referring to? The adultery, I guess Wade fans cant call Kobe out for that. His moral indecencies? I guess Lebron fans cant say nothing about that since he has two kids out of wedlock. Talking bad about teammates? I guess Jordan fans can never say anything bad about Kobe since Jordan did it his whole career.

I hope you tell all Steelers fans they can never say anything about another teams players cause they have a guy who has been accused of rape twice. I hope you tell Yankee fans they can not say anything about any other players cause they cheer for A Rod who does just about everything wrong. I hope you tell all Americans to not say anything about any other countries athletes when we have Lance Armstrong who cheats to win, or our best swimmer who smokes pot, or our best female sprinters who get their medals taken away.

Kobe took all the shots for the things that happened. And still does to this day as you just did a couple of pages ago. But you want Laker fans or any other fans to not say anything cause some of Kobe's past discretions. It does not work that way. If a player cheats on his wife tomorrow, I and every other Laker fan has a right to say that what he did was wrong. And just because Kobe did it 7 years ago does not mean we should have no opinion on the matter.

Baller1
10-04-2010, 02:17 AM
They need two at the least. Anymore is just for fun.

ryder78c
10-04-2010, 02:47 AM
they need alot of titles to even compare to kobe in my book because he is the closest thing to MJ! so if you dont get close to Kobe you cant even touch MJ

WADE & LEBRON HAVE NO LEGACY IN MY BOOK NOW!..... BOSH NEVER REALLY DID

DoJoTheSlasher
10-04-2010, 02:55 AM
In what world is Chris Bosh a top 10 player?

Jurassic Park?

lavilevi23
10-04-2010, 05:19 AM
6 absolutely and no less than 7 but that option wasnt on the list. you don't go saying you're going to break the record and then be held to lesser expectations... 7 or it was a failure

How can you win 7 titles in 6 years dumbass?

Ace33Bone
10-04-2010, 09:05 AM
3-4 championships would be the magic (no pun intended) number for me

Hawkeye15
10-04-2010, 09:31 AM
What many documented things are you referring to? The adultery, I guess Wade fans cant call Kobe out for that. His moral indecencies? I guess Lebron fans cant say nothing about that since he has two kids out of wedlock. Talking bad about teammates? I guess Jordan fans can never say anything bad about Kobe since Jordan did it his whole career.

I hope you tell all Steelers fans they can never say anything about another teams players cause they have a guy who has been accused of rape twice. I hope you tell Yankee fans they can not say anything about any other players cause they cheer for A Rod who does just about everything wrong. I hope you tell all Americans to not say anything about any other countries athletes when we have Lance Armstrong who cheats to win, or our best swimmer who smokes pot, or our best female sprinters who get their medals taken away.

Kobe took all the shots for the things that happened. And still does to this day as you just did a couple of pages ago. But you want Laker fans or any other fans to not say anything cause some of Kobe's past discretions. It does not work that way. If a player cheats on his wife tomorrow, I and every other Laker fan has a right to say that what he did was wrong. And just because Kobe did it 7 years ago does not mean we should have no opinion on the matter.


you are missing my point entirely. The public DID get over Kobe's issues. So jumping all over LeBron, while at the same time defending Kobe, or telling other's to get over it, is a double standard.
And as I have said countless times, when the Heat start winning games, none of this will matter except to the immature fans out there.

Giraffes Rule
10-04-2010, 12:03 PM
How many years are they all under contract? That many.

8kobe24
10-04-2010, 12:15 PM
They set the bar high for themselves so I'll go with what I saw lebron raised which was 7?

Storch
10-04-2010, 01:19 PM
How can you win 7 titles in 6 years dumbass?

:laugh: That was funny.

CLASSOF72
10-04-2010, 01:20 PM
you are missing my point entirely. The public DID get over Kobe's issues. So jumping all over LeBron, while at the same time defending Kobe, or telling other's to get over it, is a double standard.
And as I have said countless times, when the Heat start winning games, none of this will matter except to the immature fans out there.

No it's more like Kobe dealt with his bad media and decisions and now LeWanda and Dwade will have to as well. So let the trash talking go and let people say what they will. LeWanda took an unpopular route to his prospective titles and he will forever pay the PR price for it weather he wins or loses, just like Kobe will over his bad dicisions. And i think your wrong the Heat winning games or losing games will only stoke the flames of discontent. These Miami thrice better hope to gain their own satisfaction in winning titles cause, it will be the only reward they will get out of this, the fans that don't approve of their ways will only disapprove more if they win and rag them harder if they don't.

Vincent33
10-04-2010, 01:42 PM
As Lebron already said, "Not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7..." So anything less than 8 is a failure.

Hawkeye15
10-04-2010, 01:47 PM
No it's more like Kobe dealt with his bad media and decisions and now LeWanda and Dwade will have to as well. So let the trash talking go and let people say what they will. LeWanda took an unpopular route to his prospective titles and he will forever pay the PR price for it weather he wins or loses, just like Kobe will over his bad dicisions. And i think your wrong the Heat winning games or losing games will only stoke the flames of discontent. These Miami thrice better hope to gain their own satisfaction in winning titles cause, it will be the only reward they will get out of this, the fans that don't approve of their ways will only disapprove more if they win and rag them harder if they don't.

I for one wasn't on a sports discussion site, so I don't know/don't care what was said about Kobe then. My advice was the same then: Get over it.

Hurricane H
10-04-2010, 01:59 PM
6 absolutely and no less than 7 but that option wasnt on the list. you don't go saying you're going to break the record and then be held to lesser expectations... 7 or it was a failure

Go back to school and learn math.

barreleffact
10-04-2010, 02:30 PM
two top tier players and a second tier player all together in their primes??? they need to win at least 5 rings. and honestly they should win literally every ring for the duration of their contract unless another super team comes together

DODGERS&LAKERS
10-04-2010, 02:55 PM
you are missing my point entirely. The public DID get over Kobe's issues. So jumping all over LeBron, while at the same time defending Kobe, or telling other's to get over it, is a double standard.
And as I have said countless times, when the Heat start winning games, none of this will matter except to the immature fans out there.

How did the public get over the issues if as you say Laker fans have to defend Kobe and ask others to get over it? If we are "defending" as you say, than obviously someone brought up his past transgressions when they were not even relevant to the subject at hand. Just like you did. Some Laker fans say that the Heat need to win a lot of titles to live up to expectations, and you bring up Kobe being accused of rape and talking bad about teammates. So you are basically saying that Laker fans can never say anything bad about anyone because Kobe Bryant is on the team and he has his own baggage. That is your point and I think you are the one missing it.

CLASSOF72
10-04-2010, 04:32 PM
I for one wasn't on a sports discussion site, so I don't know/don't care what was said about Kobe then. My advice was the same then: Get over it.

Why get over it? It is what it is. People (especially in here) will say their piece about it. It's big news and is aimed to tilt the balance of power in the NBA this year and I don't think "winning games" is going to clear things up for the thrice. People have lost respect for one of the most famous athletes in this country and it will be talked about. The Thrice are going to have to make it worth it to themselves because few other than the chosen Heat fans are going to respect any gaines the three will get out of this.

Missing56&33
10-04-2010, 11:14 PM
3 of 6 titles for sure.

agreed and it has to be a three peat.

Hawkeye15
10-04-2010, 11:31 PM
How did the public get over the issues if as you say Laker fans have to defend Kobe and ask others to get over it? If we are "defending" as you say, than obviously someone brought up his past transgressions when they were not even relevant to the subject at hand. Just like you did. Some Laker fans say that the Heat need to win a lot of titles to live up to expectations, and you bring up Kobe being accused of rape and talking bad about teammates. So you are basically saying that Laker fans can never say anything bad about anyone because Kobe Bryant is on the team and he has his own baggage. That is your point and I think you are the one missing it.

haha. No, I am saying everyone got over Kobe's off court issues and perceptions a while ago, listed them specifically as a comparison on why they don't matter, and said LeBron haters should apply the same logic. Not sure where you go so off traffic here man.
Laker fans have made claims they think this team is incapable of winning a title, and then say anything less than 7 titles is not living up to expectations. This is a total double standard.

Get over the bias, and the hatred. Fans and media did for Kobe, LeBron deserves the same respect. Afterall, its about basketball, right?

Baller1
10-04-2010, 11:44 PM
haha. No, I am saying everyone got over Kobe's off court issues and perceptions a while ago, listed them specifically as a comparison on why they don't matter, and said LeBron haters should apply the same logic. Not sure where you go so off traffic here man.
Laker fans have made claims they think this team is incapable of winning a title, and then say anything less than 7 titles is not living up to expectations. This is a total double standard.

Get over the bias, and the hatred. Fans and media did for Kobe, LeBron deserves the same respect. Afterall, its about basketball, right?

Just about summed it up perfectly right there.

WeAreClutch
10-04-2010, 11:56 PM
several teams have won three in a row so I am expecting more

DODGERS&LAKERS
10-05-2010, 05:23 PM
haha. No, I am saying everyone got over Kobe's off court issues and perceptions a while ago, listed them specifically as a comparison on why they don't matter, and said LeBron haters should apply the same logic. Not sure where you go so off traffic here man.
Laker fans have made claims they think this team is incapable of winning a title, and then say anything less than 7 titles is not living up to expectations. This is a total double standard.

Get over the bias, and the hatred. Fans and media did for Kobe, LeBron deserves the same respect. Afterall, its about basketball, right?

Of course its about basketball. The fans that were saying they need to win a lot of rings were talking about basketball. They are saying with that talent and youth of their superstars, they should win a lot of rings. They were not talking about Lebron or his personality up to when you made that original comment about Laker fans needing to get the F over it.

Whether you meant to or not, you are saying that the Laker fans should never have an opinion on anyone because people have forgiven or looked passed Kobe's mess ups. Which they have not and you know it. When a Laker fan says "Lebron should not have left Cleveland" someone always says "Remember Kobe asked to be traded too?" That is not getting over it.

But whatever, I didnít want to get off topic but I hate when I have an opinion on another player on another team, that a fan of that team might not agree with, they always go to the "Well, at least he did not rape anyone" I thought you were doing the same thing, so I apologize if I was wrong about your intentions.

Hawkeye15
10-05-2010, 05:46 PM
Of course its about basketball. The fans that were saying they need to win a lot of rings were talking about basketball. They are saying with that talent and youth of their superstars, they should win a lot of rings. They were not talking about Lebron or his personality up to when you made that original comment about Laker fans needing to get the F over it.

Whether you meant to or not, you are saying that the Laker fans should never have an opinion on anyone because people have forgiven or looked passed Kobe's mess ups. Which they have not and you know it. When a Laker fan says "Lebron should not have left Cleveland" someone always says "Remember Kobe asked to be traded too?" That is not getting over it.

But whatever, I didnít want to get off topic but I hate when I have an opinion on another player on another team, that a fan of that team might not agree with, they always go to the "Well, at least he did not rape anyone" I thought you were doing the same thing, so I apologize if I was wrong about your intentions.


By all means, everyone should form an opinion if they wish on any players actions on/off the court. But to bash LeBron left and right for his actions, while then defending the actions of your man, is a double standard.
I used Kobe as a simple example. Nobody in their right mind should expect the Heat to win 7 rings in a row.
Everyone got over Kobe and his actions. Everyone needs to do the same with LeBron. nobody should be held to a higher or lower standard.
I bring it up after all this time because sometimes people need to be reminded their guy aint perfect. I could care less what Kobe did or said, he brought rings to LA's fans, and that is all that is important

Bulls_fan90
08-16-2011, 09:37 PM
Not 1..Not 2..Not 3..Not 4..Not 5..Not 6..Not 7

More-Than-Most
08-16-2011, 09:53 PM
64 people really voted for 6 titles?

YourTeamSucks
08-16-2011, 10:01 PM
idk lebron said 7 so i EXPECT him to deliever if not he didn't reach the expectations

KnicksR4Real
08-16-2011, 10:04 PM
3

PlezPlayDKnicks
08-16-2011, 10:13 PM
So because Heat fans are jackasses, you should act like one too? Who cares if the Heat fans act like dumbasses? Half of the Heat posters here are bandwagoners and new posters who are like 13 years old anyways. You just add on to the porblem by targeting all Heat fans just because some are waste youtes.

This

knicks4life33
08-16-2011, 10:28 PM
i think this video will anwser it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_LUnTQHV4c

MTar786
08-16-2011, 10:30 PM
last year i said theyd have to win 4 with atleast one back to back.. or theyd have to 3peat. i still stand by this. I dont see them doing this either. MAYBE a back to back.. but when its all said and done. they wont get more than 3 rings together. That i can guarantee

sixer04fan
08-16-2011, 10:30 PM
"Not 5. Not 6. Not 7." I'm gonna go with 8.