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JimBob
10-01-2010, 03:30 PM
Ok I think it is time to have real discussion about him.

I understand that he is a favorite of many because he fits the bill of a scrappy player (not overly fast, above average power, plays hard).

However a decision will need to made on him after next season.

Sure he has 26 homeruns, but his stats are so empty. His .675OPS is brutal.

The difference between him and Lind this season is that Lind's numbers are down because of TWO TERRIBLE months. Hill has been consistantly bad all season long.

Hill became a real "all or nothing type hitter" this season. The real issue is that after next season his salary could jump into the $15 million range (that's what his option salary currently is). If he doesn't rebound next year there a strong possibility the Jays will either try to re-work his contract or let him walk. AA has even mentioned this in not so many words.

So I ask you - If he hits under .250 next year is he worth 15 million per season? Even in Wells off years he has never stunk it up this bad.

dtmagnet
10-01-2010, 04:29 PM
What other options do we have at 2nd base? That will play a big factor.

Dol-Fan
10-01-2010, 04:54 PM
What other options do we have at 2nd base? That will play a big factor.

SS- Hech/Esco
2B- Hech/Esco

...please.

Jays Claw
10-01-2010, 06:38 PM
His numbers do look bad overall (.673 OPS, .193 ISO, .294 wOBA, 1.96 BABIP & 0.8 WAR), however for the time being he's our best option at 2B offensively and defensively (until Hechavarria is up and ready so they could slip Escobar into 2B). This thread should be bumped at the end of next season if you want my final opinion on what the Jays should do with him.

marcre
10-01-2010, 08:30 PM
His stats this year are brutal. Hopefully he can bounce back next season. If he doesn't, then it's time to have this conversation for real.

BlueJayFanDan
10-01-2010, 09:38 PM
A lot of guys have bad seasons once in a while. It happens. He will be better next season. If not, we always have Emaus waiting for his spot.

wamco
10-02-2010, 11:23 AM
he may play his way out of this long term contract given the options on it.

Bjaxn45
10-02-2010, 12:29 PM
Hill has had a horrible year offensively and defensively. I think you have to give him another half season to figure it out. I don't know of many players that have dropped so far on both sides of the ball in one year but its seems awfully fluky.

I'd really hate to see us give up on the guy after the one year and have him go somewhere else and put up the same numbers of a year ago.

the_jon
10-02-2010, 04:32 PM
He needs to grow a beard. I think he should ask Bautista and Marcum for beard grooming advice.

Halladay
10-03-2010, 04:36 AM
The guy has a career year then hits rock bottom the year following. This season was a write off and to give up on Hill right now would be insane.

nstojic
10-03-2010, 06:07 AM
Hill’s situation is interesting. Under the terms of his four-year, $12-million (all figures U.S.) contract he signed in April, 2008, the Blue Jays have until the beginning of next season to decide whether to exercise three option years (2012 and 2013 at $8-million and 2014 at $10-million.) Hill will earn $5-million next season. If the club wants, it can wait until after next season to exercise the 2012, 2013 option years.

Hill’s batting average through Thursday, .206, was 65 points below his career average and his average against left-handed pitchers was an astounding .152 percentage points below his .274 career mark. His batting average on balls in play (.196) is the worst in the American League among all qualifiers, so bad luck is in play to some degree.

At the all-star break last season, Roy Halladay said he could see the Blue Jays becoming “Aaron’s team.” Yet one full season later, Hill’s role in the aborted mutiny against Gaston remains open to interpretation. Did he buy too much into the grip-and-rip philosophy of the homer-happy club? What message would he take away from not having the options picked up? Could you get anything close to market value if you decided to trade him? Would he chafe less under a different manager?

Anthopoulos said in an e-mail Friday that he views Hill’s batting average as an aberration and that Hill’s 26 home runs speak loudly. As for the options?

“You weigh the cost of the options combined with projected future performance,” Anthopoulos texted. “For Aaron’s standards – and relative to last year – there’s no question his year was not what he’s capable of.”

The good thing is that Anthopoulos put together Hill’s contract with agent Casey Close. At the time, it was lauded widely within the industry for its creativity. The guess here is that much like how Anthopoulos thinks a team itself reveals its readiness for the postseason, so too the relationship with Hill will advance and mature. It will require a deft touch, but it will be done. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jeff-blair/jays-gm-in-no-rush/article1739132/

wamco
10-03-2010, 11:34 AM
Hill’s situation is interesting. Under the terms of his four-year, $12-million (all figures U.S.) contract he signed in April, 2008, the Blue Jays have until the beginning of next season to decide whether to exercise three option years (2012 and 2013 at $8-million and 2014 at $10-million.) Hill will earn $5-million next season. If the club wants, it can wait until after next season to exercise the 2012, 2013 option years.

That is the no-brainer solution

JimBob
10-03-2010, 06:35 PM
No one is writing him off. The question is he a 8-12 million dollar player? It's a very legit question.

T.O. Fan
10-03-2010, 08:27 PM
.....and one that doesn't have to be answered until the end of next season as per the article above.

jrice9
10-03-2010, 08:39 PM
He wont be this bad next season in all liklhood.


His BABIP is 196 which is like the lowest in the Majors. His career average is 288 and the fact that his BABIP is actually below his real average also indicates that hes getting pretty unlucky/having a bad season. His groundball rate is also lower than last season and his walk rate is higher both encouraging signs. The problems is his linedrive rate is significantly lower and much of that has gone into his flyball rate and his K rate has slightly rose. 2009 may be a bit fluky but I think he will be more like the 2007 Aaron Hill with more power

Bob_at_york
10-04-2010, 08:14 AM
glad we have the options.

JimBob
10-04-2010, 01:17 PM
.....and one that doesn't have to be answered until the end of next season as per the article above.

It's still needs to be something that is discussed. Trading Hill is another option, and that is not something that will be determined after next season. That is an option for now. You don't need to run away from the question like this.

Avoiding the question is a good thing for political figures and media folks to do, but not a General Manager.

This offseaslpon and next year will be huge for Hill both for the Jays and him personally. The Jays should have a replacement for Hill in A.H, so discussions about Hill's future should (and will) start now.

JimBob
10-04-2010, 04:16 PM
Aaron had a far worse season than Lind this year.

Lind's stats:

Month -- OPS

April -- .843
May -- .532
June -- .449
July -- .832
Aug -- .856
Sept -- . 751
Oct -- 1.143

As you can see outside of May and June Lind was pretty good.

Hill's stats:

Month -- OPS

April -- .608
May -- .668
June -- .611
July -- .685
Aug -- .802
Sept -- .611
Oct -- .222

As you can see here, Aaron only had one good month this season. In that month he still only managed to hit .250

Aaron Hill had a horrible year. Don't let his homerun total fool you.

T.O. Fan
10-04-2010, 07:53 PM
It's still needs to be something that is discussed. Trading Hill is another option, and that is not something that will be determined after next season. That is an option for now. You don't need to run away from the question like this.

Avoiding the question is a good thing for political figures and media folks to do, but not a General Manager.

This offseaslpon and next year will be huge for Hill both for the Jays and him personally. The Jays should have a replacement for Hill in A.H, so discussions about Hill's future should (and will) start now.

Huh?

The question about the option years on his contract doesn't have to be answered until the end of next season. Period.

Trading him now is NOT an option. AA has shown a tendency to sell HIGH and buy LOW, not the other way around.

JimBob
10-08-2010, 11:38 AM
No it's not period. It's a flow. GM's need to always be thinking and discuss possibilities.

It may not happen, but it will be talked about it.