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bartron_44
10-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Honestly, with Frasor, Downs AND Gregg all possible FA's that we will let walk for compensation if they reject arbitration, we have a serious hole to fill at the back end of our bullpen.

Without trying to convert a start, we only have:

Purcey
Carlson
Jannsen
Magnuson
Farquhar

none of those guys are going to cut it if we want to improve on this season year imo. What do you think AA has up his sleeve for the bullpen?Be serious, no Rivera or Papelbon comments etc please.

1hardcore
10-01-2010, 03:06 PM
Gregg.


if not look at the market

Matt Thornton is pretty good

H-MYK
10-01-2010, 07:48 PM
Either Janssen or Purcey

Jays_Win_Again
10-01-2010, 08:16 PM
If we dont get anyone and Gregg leaves I'd really like to see Purcey get a chance as he has the best "raw" closer stuff. I thought he was pitching pretty good before he got hurt.

BlueJayFanDan
10-01-2010, 09:36 PM
Janssen or Purcey or Roenicke if he can be more consistent.

2009mvp
10-01-2010, 10:11 PM
Without looking it up, Roenicke sucks. It all depends whether Frasor accepts arbitration or not. If he does he's the closer, if he doesn't you reach into the scrap bin and pull out a Chad Qualls type to compete with Purcey and perhaps Jansenn and Camp.

North Yorker
10-02-2010, 07:56 AM
Without looking it up, Roenicke sucks. It all depends whether Frasor accepts arbitration or not. If he does he's the closer, if he doesn't you reach into the scrap bin and pull out a Chad Qualls type to compete with Purcey and perhaps Jansenn and Camp.

Frasor implodes under pressure, no way I want him as the Closer.

Big Hurt
10-02-2010, 08:59 AM
I guess Tallet is out of the consideration.
I would be happy with Qualls, Kerry Wood, Matt Thornton, JJ Putz or Jon Raunch.

wamco
10-02-2010, 11:20 AM
Take away purcey's draft position and I don't see why any would suggest him for this role.

Dr.Funk
10-02-2010, 11:21 AM
Matt Thornton would be awesome and I wouldn't say no to Putz.

ILDD
10-02-2010, 12:16 PM
Gregg

An experienced closer is needed, especially as the rest of the pen will be pretty young

2009mvp
10-02-2010, 01:03 PM
I guess Tallet is out of the consideration.
I would be happy with Qualls, Kerry Wood, Matt Thornton, JJ Putz or Jon Raunch.

No reason for a non-contender to spend that much money for a closer.

Thornton's also gonna be a type-A FA. It would be absolutely insane to lose our 1st round pick for a reliever.

DocJayzSpikx
10-02-2010, 01:52 PM
Honestly, with Frasor, Downs AND Gregg all possible FA's that we will let walk for compensation if they reject arbitration, we have a serious hole to fill at the back end of our bullpen.

Without trying to convert a start, we only have:

Purcey
Carlson
Jannsen
Magnuson
Farquhar

none of those guys are going to cut it if we want to improve on this season year imo. What do you think AA has up his sleeve for the bullpen?Be serious, no Rivera or Papelbon comments etc please.

I know you said no starters, but Rzep might benefit from this, he has a good knack for strikeouts, and being limited to one inning might help suit his role, we are pretty packed in SP depth, he did work out of the bullpen, I say either him or Purcey, they might do well

idrinkpepsi
10-02-2010, 01:59 PM
I dont know, I would take Gregg again over anything in our bullpen atm.

the_jon
10-02-2010, 04:24 PM
We don't have anyone. Some guys in the minors with "potential" but none are closer worthy. (not yet) We'll probably end up keeping Gregg and just letting Frasor and Downs walk for comp. Our pen situation is a major issue right now.

FlakeyFool
10-02-2010, 06:28 PM
what is this hard on with purcey? Our bullpen blows.

jaysnraptors44
10-02-2010, 07:58 PM
anybody but gregg im thinking we sign rafael soriano . gregg is crap he just blew another save today

2009mvp
10-02-2010, 08:03 PM
^^And give our first round pick to the Rays? No thanks.

Luca68
10-02-2010, 08:12 PM
definately tallet:facepalm: naww i say we let gregg keep the job if we cant pick up somebody like rafael soriano in the offseason.

ByShine
10-03-2010, 03:40 AM
joakim soria

jaysfan55
10-03-2010, 09:04 AM
They will keep Gregg its a cheaper option and the guy had a career year this year. They need to invest money in the pen.. if we can get the pen back to the way it was a few years ago when we had the best pen in baseball and keep the offense in 2011 we will make the playoffs next year

GrumpyOldMan
10-04-2010, 05:36 AM
I like Grant Balfour's "stuff". It hasn't quite come completely together for him, but I'd take a chance on him.
I like JJ Putz and Thornton as well, but they will be be much more expensive.

bartron_44
10-04-2010, 08:37 AM
Take away purcey's draft position and I don't see why any would suggest him for this role.

I can see how some people would say Purcey. He has good velocity on his fastball, and a pretty dirty slider to go with it. He had an ERA of 3.71 out of the bullpen this year,struck out 32 in 34 innings, and only gave up 26 hits. he wasn't showing much promise as a starter, but his whip was only 1.206 this year, if he could cut down on the walks I could see him having potential. He may not be ready to be the closer next season, but possibly in 2012 if he has another good year in the bullpen next year as a setup man.


So no one at this point as even mentioned Stewart. Does this mean the season he had in AA this year has convinced everyone he should be left as a starter? There was a lot of talk last year about wanting to groom him into our next closer because of the stats he put up with Cinci out of the bullpen before being traded. I was probably one of his biggest supporters for staying as a starter, so I can't really go back on that now...I am surprised no one else has brought him up though with our lack of options in the pen and surplus of young starters...I actually have him like 6th on our starting pitching depth chart for next season though, so that is why I wouldn't touch him. Unless S.Hill comes back and somehow beats Drabek out of our opening day rotation...

DiPasquale7
10-04-2010, 09:48 AM
From everything I've heard about Buchholz he seems like he could be our future guy. I think Purcey will develop into a solid SU man. Coming out of this season it seems like Camp deserves a chance at the role. I think Accardo is solid and should get a shot to compete for the role given his past performance as a closer. I could see Roenicke in there too. Then we could call up Carlson to be our lefty specialist. I could see either Jansenn or Richmond filling the long reliever role. I think overall our BP is deep and we will be okay whether those guys come back or not.

wamco
10-05-2010, 04:48 PM
look at purcey's career whip over the 30 some at the mlb level this year. He is too old to be a prospect guys, he is what he is.

Jays Claw
10-05-2010, 05:11 PM
Roenicke has been awful as a long man and I don't think he's closer material just yet. On the other hand, we've got Purcey, who's been improving a lot since his demotion to the bullpen. However, I still don't feel comfortable with him being the 'main guy' out there.

Frasor, Camp and Downs (if he stays) are the logical choices for a team that's most likely not going to contend next season.

jaysfan4ever
10-06-2010, 11:26 PM
AA is going to try to trade for a young projectable arm. We don't have one in the system, so as the active GM he is, he will do something about it.

Maybe R-Zep will have value to an NL team? He could probably do well there. Maybe Rzep and a mid-level spec to the Brewers for Zach Braddock?

jaysfan4ever
10-06-2010, 11:27 PM
Roenicke has been awful as a long man and I don't think he's closer material just yet. On the other hand, we've got Purcey, who's been improving a lot since his demotion to the bullpen. However, I still don't feel comfortable with him being the 'main guy' out there.

Frasor, Camp and Downs (if he stays) are the logical choices for a team that's most likely not going to contend next season.

Forget closer, Roenicke isn't even setup material yet. He makes you nervous any time he takes the ball.

DocJayzSpikx
10-06-2010, 11:58 PM
We should give the ball to someone who can build towards being a closer, regardless of if they're good or not, just give that person a shot, Rzep is someone who could benefit to the bullpen demotion, like Purcey.

jaysfan4ever
10-07-2010, 12:09 AM
We should give the ball to someone who can build towards being a closer, regardless of if they're good or not, just give that person a shot, Rzep is someone who could benefit to the bullpen demotion, like Purcey.

Teams just don't do that. It's an easy way to lose a lot of ballgames, and frustrate the heck out of your team, not something you want on a young team. Give the job to a solid vet to ease the pressure off. You don't throw a young kid into the fire like that.

TyA
10-07-2010, 02:17 AM
DUSTIN MCGOWAN???

Whats the latest update on him ... I think our starting staff is deep enough to turn Mcgowan into a reliever and possibly our future closer. Could help keep him healthy and he could be dirty outta the pen

T.O. Fan
10-07-2010, 08:42 AM
It's likely to be Gregg in 2011.

It makes sense for the Jays to pickup his one year option and try to build on his Type B status.

peteroseforever
10-07-2010, 12:00 PM
how do you not include Shawn Camp on your list.

They will retain Gregg for one year because he can most likely reach type A status if he closes this year, but if they did let him walk obvious choice is Camp who is a FA the following year and could reach type A/B status as a closer.

Easy

B2theRY
10-09-2010, 02:54 PM
anyone but gregg the guy is a piece of donkey ****.

i dont get why you guys like him or think he is good.

GNick
10-23-2010, 05:54 AM
Looking at Papelbon's numbers from another thread, Gregg had virtually same numbers last year as Papelbon. Compared to Papelbon's 10 million salary Gregg was a steal.

Asham
10-23-2010, 10:27 AM
Bring back kevin gregg!!

GNick
10-23-2010, 11:39 AM
His option is 4.5 million...he played this year for 2 million...doubt they will bring him back. Plus a sandwich pick on him

Asham
10-23-2010, 02:36 PM
Guys who give you 30+ saves are not cheap on the market. For 4.5-5 million, thats a bargain

2009mvp
10-23-2010, 03:39 PM
^^Guys who give you 30+ saves are simply guys who happen to be named closer. See: Accardo, Jeremy.

joshhorvath
10-23-2010, 08:14 PM
why not bring back Accardo to be our closer, i njoyed him in that spot, every time he went up to close a game, i felt good that we would pull out the win and he would not blow it.

BJ Ryan dont even think about it, he was good in his first year, then jsut started to do bad.

But i want Accardo back.

Eagles4Lyfe
10-24-2010, 12:28 AM
look at the giants got by to the world series with brian wilson, kevin gregg isnt that horrible an option at this point..Id retain and use him

Gibby
10-24-2010, 03:12 AM
His option is 4.5 million...he played this year for 2 million...doubt they will bring him back. Plus a sandwich pick on him

If he has another season like this, he will be a type A next year so we could get 2 picks for him.


^^Guys who give you 30+ saves are simply guys who happen to be named closer. See: Accardo, Jeremy.

You make it seem like Accardo was a scrub. At his best Accardo is darn good. He didnt just get 30 saves because he was the closer. he had an amazing year 2.14 ERA and 1.11 WHIP


why not bring back Accardo to be our closer, i njoyed him in that spot, every time he went up to close a game, i felt good that we would pull out the win and he would not blow it.

BJ Ryan dont even think about it, he was good in his first year, then jsut started to do bad.

But i want Accardo back.

If he is the old accardo then yes but he is not the same. After he sufferred the injury in 2008 he hasnt been the same.


anyone but gregg the guy is a piece of donkey ****.

i dont get why you guys like him or think he is good.

he is not the greatest but he is a bargain for 4.5 million. If your going to find someone good as him or better in FA it will cost more.

Bob_at_york
10-24-2010, 10:07 AM
I would like to see Purcey get a shot although it would be a short leash overall.

nstojic
10-24-2010, 11:06 AM
Guys who give you 30+ saves are not cheap on the market. For 4.5-5 million, thats a bargain

the save stat is tricky because your team has to be in that position for you to be eligible to pick up a save... guys don't just 'get' you saves on their own..

2009mvp
10-24-2010, 11:12 AM
If he has another season like this, he will be a type A next year so we could get 2 picks for him.



You make it seem like Accardo was a scrub. At his best Accardo is darn good. He didnt just get 30 saves because he was the closer. he had an amazing year 2.14 ERA and 1.11 WHIP



If he is the old accardo then yes but he is not the same. After he sufferred the injury in 2008 he hasnt been the same.



he is not the greatest but he is a bargain for 4.5 million. If your going to find someone good as him or better in FA it will cost more.

I don't mean Accardo should be given the job. What I was getting at is that Leo Nunez had 30 saves. David Aardsma had 30+ saves. Francisco Cordero had 40. Point is, these guys aren't especially good pitchers, they just happen to have been given the opportunity to close.

bartron_44
10-25-2010, 08:49 AM
look at the giants got by to the world series with brian wilson, kevin gregg isnt that horrible an option at this point..Id retain and use him

Ummm, Are you kidding? Brian Wilson was an absolute stud closer this year ffs!!

ERA- 1.81
WHIP- 1.18
Saves- 48
Innings- 74.2
K's- 93

The guy was a strikeout machine, threw almost 75 innings out of the bullpen, and almost had 50 saves!!!


I think its more like: Without Brian Wilson as their closer, the giants don't make the playoffs this season.

Closing is a skill imo. And pretty much every team that wins the World series has a lock down closer anchoring their bullpen. Not everyone can go out and pitch 3 days in a row when needed effectively. Not every reliever can go out and pitch under pressure in the 9th in a 1 run ball game. (Did you see Jason Frasor this season for example?) Not everyone can forget about a blown save, keep their confidence, and go right back out there and challenge hitters the next day like it never happened...


Kevin Gregg is not the answer long term, but barring any kind of a trade, he is probably our best option next season...

miller74
10-25-2010, 11:14 AM
If Casey Jansens is the closer ill puke

1hardcore
10-27-2010, 04:25 AM
Ummm, Are you kidding? Brian Wilson was an absolute stud closer this year ffs!!

ERA- 1.81
WHIP- 1.18
Saves- 48
Innings- 74.2
K's- 93

The guy was a strikeout machine, threw almost 75 innings out of the bullpen, and almost had 50 saves!!!


I think its more like: Without Brian Wilson as their closer, the giants don't make the playoffs this season.

Closing is a skill imo. And pretty much every team that wins the World series has a lock down closer anchoring their bullpen. Not everyone can go out and pitch 3 days in a row when needed effectively. Not every reliever can go out and pitch under pressure in the 9th in a 1 run ball game. (Did you see Jason Frasor this season for example?) Not everyone can forget about a blown save, keep their confidence, and go right back out there and challenge hitters the next day like it never happened...


Kevin Gregg is not the answer long term, but barring any kind of a trade, he is probably our best option next season...

Buddy!!! Look at Brian Wilsons stats last year and the year before!! 2 years ago he was 41 of 47 but his e.r.a is like more than 4, but they still kept him !~!!!! and now looked what happened.

I say retain Gregg..... i mean he's got a new manager Farrell who'm i'm excited about !!! I also think the reason why the BP wasnt doing so well was because the focus was more on Starting pitching. In my opinion, I know if i was a pitching coach i dont know if i'd have time to help every single pitcher thats on the roster..now that Farrells' on board there's help !!!!!!!. besides... with the money they got for him ... he's a bargain!!!


nevertheless if there is somebody better than gregg i'm all ears!!!

Nuke
10-27-2010, 09:06 AM
If Casey Jansens is the closer ill puke

:clap::clap::clap:

bartron_44
10-27-2010, 10:59 AM
Buddy!!! Look at Brian Wilsons stats last year and the year before!! 2 years ago he was 41 of 47 but his e.r.a is like more than 4, but they still kept him !~!!!! and now looked what happened.

I say retain Gregg..... i mean he's got a new manager Farrell who'm i'm excited about !!! I also think the reason why the BP wasnt doing so well was because the focus was more on Starting pitching. In my opinion, I know if i was a pitching coach i dont know if i'd have time to help every single pitcher thats on the roster..now that Farrells' on board there's help !!!!!!!. besides... with the money they got for him ... he's a bargain!!!


nevertheless if there is somebody better than gregg i'm all ears!!!

What do stats 2 or 3 years ago have to do with my statement? Wilson was one of the best closers in basbeball this season, and SF would not have made it to the playoffs without him......I said Gregg was our best available option, but he is not good enough to take us to the world series....

1hardcore
10-27-2010, 12:06 PM
What do stats 2 or 3 years ago have to do with my statement? Wilson was one of the best closers in basbeball this season, and SF would not have made it to the playoffs without him......I said Gregg was our best available option, but he is not good enough to take us to the world series....


patience......lets just see what he'll do !
If brian wilson can become an elite pitcher .... Maybe Gregg can too. but i am all ears to see what other options are available.