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JordansBulls
09-29-2010, 05:18 PM
Playoffs only - Duncan or Shaq or Hakeem

Which of the 3 do you take in the playoffs?

i.got.the.nutz
09-29-2010, 05:45 PM
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1995-96 23 ORL NBA 12 459 131 216 0 0 48 122 49 120 55 9 15 44 40 310 .606 .393 38.3 25.8 10.0 4.6
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2001-02 29 LAL NBA 19 776 203 384 0 0 135 208 67 239 54 10 48 62 62 541 .529 .649 40.8 28.5 12.6 2.8
2002-03 30 LAL NBA 12 481 121 226 0 0 82 132 63 178 44 7 34 35 34 324 .535 .621 40.1 27.0 14.8 3.7
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2009-10 37 CLE NBA 11 243 48 93 0 0 31 47 21 61 15 2 13 24 41 127 .516 .660 22.1 11.5 5.5 1.4


Yeah... I'll take Shaq.

i.got.the.nutz
09-29-2010, 05:48 PM
Sorry it's a little hard to read

i.got.the.nutz
09-29-2010, 05:49 PM
You could argue Hakeem had better stats than Shaq in the playoffs but 4 rings > 2 rings

WadeKobe
09-29-2010, 05:50 PM
Shaquille O'Neal in the Finals is much better than Hakeem in the finals. Shaq single handedly ripped the Pacers to shreds.

i.got.the.nutz
09-29-2010, 05:54 PM
Shaquille O'Neal in the Finals is much better than Hakeem in the finals. Shaq single handedly ripped the Pacers to shreds.

I remember that series almost play by play. Almost every possession was run through Shaq and Pacers were absolutely outmatched. One of the most dominating finals performances ever.

Chronz
09-29-2010, 10:48 PM
Umm Shaqs biggest weakness was that he couldnt be counted on for a full 82 grind due to his play style, but come playoff time there was never any doubt about his play.

mynameismo
09-30-2010, 02:27 AM
Shaq. Around 30/15 in playoffs? That includes a lot of missed freethrows too. lol

todu82
09-30-2010, 08:14 AM
Shaq

The Miami Cheat
09-30-2010, 09:54 AM
shaq

jzstud4
09-30-2010, 10:29 AM
i am a huge lakers fan but shaq almost lost to the blazers and king before even getting into the finals and shaq against the pacers/76ers/nets ? what big men did they have ? duncan is a beast he did it with not much mr fundemental is a legend and one of the best big men to ever play the game

Khalifa21
09-30-2010, 01:30 PM
Shaquille "30/15" O'Neal

Absolute playoff monster.

JordansBulls
09-30-2010, 02:34 PM
Career Numbers in Playoffs:

Hakeem
25.9 ppg on 52.8%, 11.2 reb, 3.2 ast, 71.9% ft% in 145 games

Shaq
24.5 ppg on 56.3%, 11.7 reb, 2.7 ast, 50.5% ft% in 214 games

Duncan
23 ppg on 50.2%, 12.4 reb, 3.5 ast, 67.9% ft% in 170 games

Hurricane H
09-30-2010, 03:31 PM
Shaquille O'Neal in the Finals is much better than Hakeem in the finals. Shaq single handedly ripped the Pacers to shreds.

Hakeem beat Shaq in the finals if I'm not mistaken.

Hawkeye15
09-30-2010, 08:26 PM
playoffs only? Shaq. As Chronz mentioned, his durability during the regular season here and there was questionable. But come playoff time, in his peak, Shaq kills

BillyHoyle35
10-01-2010, 01:38 AM
i would take duncan but only just.
shaq was dominant, but duncan gets the job done and is better defensively.

WadeKobe
10-01-2010, 01:49 AM
Hakeem beat Shaq in the finals if I'm not mistaken.

Yea... I think you're right about that. You know, when Hakeem was in his prime and Shaq... you know... wasn't.

That's not a valid comparison. "Hakeem beat Shaq..."

I think what you meant to say was "The Rockets beat the Magic"....

m26555
10-01-2010, 11:21 AM
You could argue Hakeem had better stats than Shaq in the playoffs but 4 rings > 2 rings
Except Olajuwon didn't play with Kobe and Wade. And if you want to make that argument, then I could just say that Olajuwon absolutely demolished Shaq in the '95 Finals.

Olajuwon is the obvious answer to this question.


Yea... I think you're right about that. You know, when Hakeem was in his prime and Shaq... you know... wasn't.

That's not a valid comparison. "Hakeem beat Shaq..."

I think what you meant to say was "The Rockets beat the Magic"....
Not even a prime Shaq would have been able to handle Olajuwon. Hakeem was a horrible matchup for him; way too quick and versatile. He would just pull Shaq out to the perimeter and abuse him.

WadeKobe
10-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Except Olajuwon didn't play with Kobe and Wade. And if you want to make that argument, then I could just say that Olajuwon absolutely demolished Shaq in the '95 Finals.

Olajuwon is the obvious answer to this question.


Not even a prime Shaq would have been able to handle Olajuwon. Hakeem was a horrible matchup for him; way too quick and versatile. He would just pull Shaq out to the perimeter and abuse him.

And a prime Shaq would take the Dream down to the block and abuse him. What's your point?

CHANGO
10-01-2010, 06:45 PM
Shaq!

HakeemTheDream
10-02-2010, 11:11 AM
All 3 were amazing playoff players, but I'm going with Shaq because he would single handedly foul out his defender and put 2 or 3 players in foul trouble, ridiculously dominant

m26555
10-02-2010, 07:06 PM
And a prime Shaq would take the Dream down to the block and abuse him. What's your point?
Really? He would abuse arguably the greatest defensive center of all-time? I didn't see Shaq dishing out this "abuse" back in '95, and don't give me the "but he wasn't in his prime" crap because Shaq was still pretty damn dominant at that point.

I still cannot fathom how many people seriously believe that Shaq was better than Olajuwon. It boggles my mind.

WadeKobe
10-03-2010, 04:38 PM
Really? He would abuse arguably the greatest defensive center of all-time? I didn't see Shaq dishing out this "abuse" back in '95, and don't give me the "but he wasn't in his prime" crap because Shaq was still pretty damn dominant at that point.

I still cannot fathom how many people seriously believe that Shaq was better than Olajuwon. It boggles my mind.

Shaq in '95 was nowhere near Shaq in '98 or '99.

In fact, I would argue that Hakeem's destruction of Shaq was one of Shaq's biggest learning experiences and part of what made him the great player he was. There is no way that Shaq before the Dream's crushing is as good as Shaq afterwards.

And yes. Shaq is simply the most dominant physical force to ever play the game of basketball. He would abuse Hakeem in the low block. Shaq had a 65-70lb weight advantage and much of that was muscle. Sorry...

Chronz
10-03-2010, 06:04 PM
Really? He would abuse arguably the greatest defensive center of all-time? I didn't see Shaq dishing out this "abuse" back in '95, and don't give me the "but he wasn't in his prime" crap because Shaq was still pretty damn dominant at that point.

I still cannot fathom how many people seriously believe that Shaq was better than Olajuwon. It boggles my mind.
What do you mean, you speak as if Shaq didnt produce at a similar rate. Its not as if Hakeem D'd him up the way he did Ewing. Ewing looked flat out awful, but Shaq more than held his own. And that was a younger Shaq vs in his prime Dream. Imagine what a stronger more knowledgeable Shaq does to him. Oh wait we saw that in 99 when he crushed Dream. What its not fair to compare Dream to Shaq then? Why the sudden change of heart, its not as if Dream was crap at that point. He was still an All-Star, on a comparable team bouncing back from a bad year, with fresh legs due to the lockout. All of sudden the playoffs come around and his game shrinks while Shaq obliterates. If you can cite a young shaq keeping up with a prime Dream, then I can point out an older dream UTTERLY destroyed by Prime Shaq.

m26555
10-03-2010, 07:14 PM
What do you mean, you speak as if Shaq didnt produce at a similar rate. Its not as if Hakeem D'd him up the way he did Ewing. Ewing looked flat out awful, but Shaq more than held his own. And that was a younger Shaq vs in his prime Dream. Imagine what a stronger more knowledgeable Shaq does to him. Oh wait we saw that in 99 when he crushed Dream. What its not fair to compare Dream to Shaq then? Why the sudden change of heart, its not as if Dream was crap at that point. He was still an All-Star, on a comparable team bouncing back from a bad year, with fresh legs due to the lockout. All of sudden the playoffs come around and his game shrinks while Shaq obliterates. If you can cite a young shaq keeping up with a prime Dream, then I can point out an older dream UTTERLY destroyed by Prime Shaq.
So let's see; we're comparing an AGING Olajuwon (1999) to a young and ALREADY DOMINANT Shaq (1995)? That is such a horrible argument. That's like saying an 18-year old kid getting wrecked by his 35-year old coach in basketball is the same as that same kid dominating his coach when his coach is 60.


Shaq in '95 was nowhere near Shaq in '98 or '99.

In fact, I would argue that Hakeem's destruction of Shaq was one of Shaq's biggest learning experiences and part of what made him the great player he was. There is no way that Shaq before the Dream's crushing is as good as Shaq afterwards.

And yes. Shaq is simply the most dominant physical force to ever play the game of basketball. He would abuse Hakeem in the low block. Shaq had a 65-70lb weight advantage and much of that was muscle. Sorry...

Shaq was stronger than Olajuwon; that's IT. Olajuwon was better in EVERY OTHER FACET of the game, especially defensively where Shaq was never very good. Unlike Shaq, Olajuwon was not a liability late in games because of horrid free throw shooting and did not get shredded on pick-and-rolls. He could also score from all over the floor whereas Shaq did all of his damage five-to-10 feet from the basket.

If you want to say that Shaq was more dominant than Olajuwon, I can agree with you, but saying that he was a better player is an entirely different story. It is not even remotely close.

i.got.the.nutz
10-04-2010, 12:22 AM
So let's see; we're comparing an AGING Olajuwon (1999) to a young and ALREADY DOMINANT Shaq (1995)? That is such a horrible argument. That's like saying an 18-year old kid getting wrecked by his 35-year old coach in basketball is the same as that same kid dominating his coach when his coach is 60.



Shaq was stronger than Olajuwon; that's IT. Olajuwon was better in EVERY OTHER FACET of the game, especially defensively where Shaq was never very good. Unlike Shaq, Olajuwon was not a liability late in games because of horrid free throw shooting and did not get shredded on pick-and-rolls. He could also score from all over the floor whereas Shaq did all of his damage five-to-10 feet from the basket.

If you want to say that Shaq was more dominant than Olajuwon, I can agree with you, but saying that he was a better player is an entirely different story. It is not even remotely close.

:facepalm:

WadeKobe
10-04-2010, 02:18 AM
Shaq was stronger than Olajuwon; that's IT. Olajuwon was better in EVERY OTHER FACET of the game, especially defensively where Shaq was never very good. Unlike Shaq, Olajuwon was not a liability late in games because of horrid free throw shooting and did not get shredded on pick-and-rolls. He could also score from all over the floor whereas Shaq did all of his damage five-to-10 feet from the basket.

If you want to say that Shaq was more dominant than Olajuwon, I can agree with you, but saying that he was a better player is an entirely different story. It is not even remotely close.

I can agree with that. Although, I might also give the passing advantage to Shaq. However, you're correct. Overall talent Olajawon was better. However, that's not what you want out of your center. What you want out of your center - what makes a great center - is the ability to play D in the low-block, dominate on offense down-low, open up driving lanes, and block a couple shots. Shaq is simply the most dominant force ever in this regard and for that I'd say he's the #1 Center of all time. Meaning, if I could pick ANY center on my team... it's a no-brainer. I'm picking Shaq.

JordansBulls
10-08-2010, 04:25 PM
Record with HCA for each


vs 50 win teams/non-50 win teams
Olajuwon: 4-0 (100%)/ 5-2 (71%)
Shaq: 11-3 (79%)/ 13-2 (87%)
Duncan: 13-4 (76%)/ 8-0 (100%)

Hakeem 9-2 = 82%
Shaq 24-5 = 83%
Duncan 21-4 = 84%