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spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:08 AM
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17413

Noah's Trip To France The Chicago Bulls officially open training camp on Monday but players are encouraged to report today to check in and get situated. Rather than scrambling and stepping foot inside of the building for the first time on media day, the team likes to have its players accounted for several days, often several weeks before camp.
But one player that won't in Chicago this weekend is Joakim Noah.
On Thursday afternoon, the unhappy center left the country to visit his father, Yannick Noah, in France. While his teammates are filing into the training facility, Noah will be at one of his father's concerts and enjoying his trip until training camp events become mandatory on Monday.

The Bulls have been involved in negotiations over a contract extension with Noah's camp for over a month and the two sides are having trouble working out a new deal. Several weeks ago, Chicago offered a five-year, $57 million extension that remains on the table but Noah has made it clear that it'll take more to get a deal done.

Sources close to the situation say that Noah is looking for a five-year, $70 million extension but would likely settle for $65 million because of his love for the city and organization. Either way, it appears the two sides still have a long way to go with the October 31 deadline slowly creeping up.

By not showing up until the very last minute, Noah hopes to send a message to the team.

In Atlanta, Jamal Crawford is doing the same thing as he pushes for an extension of his own from the Hawks. Because players are encouraged rather than required to be in town over the weekend, teams can not issue fines or penalties to players who don't report until the last minute.

Missing training camp on Monday would be a different story. Unlike the NFL, the NBA doesn't allow players to hold out so missing the mandatory events would cost a player roughly $10,000.

While neither Noah nor Crawford will show up after Monday, they hope that their absence over the weekend will show their unhappiness and accelerate the extension talks that have been stalling.

Read more NBA news and insight: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=17413#ixzz10eFJDOxN

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 11:10 AM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:11 AM
No way hes worth that much cash!!! I like him and his game but he in no way is worth that kind of money.He gets most his points from rebounds and putbacks.I love his energy but this could be a deal the Bulls regret a few years from now

nitric
09-26-2010, 11:11 AM
Poopsworld.

Bulls training camp doesn't start until Monday which JoNo will be back by.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:12 AM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

They will regret not giving him up for Melo so bad,but they would have to move Deng.He makes way too much cash to play 15 minz on the bench.Figure that out later though

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:13 AM
Poopsworld.

Bulls training camp doesn't start until Monday which JoNo will be back by.

Yes,but hes gotta be pissed with all the trade rumors

Corey
09-26-2010, 11:16 AM
Yes,but hes gotta be pissed with all the trade rumors

Why? it's a business.

YoungOne
09-26-2010, 11:19 AM
wow 70 mil. ?? good luck with that moneywhore chicago
rondos 55 mil. looking better every day :D

Corey
09-26-2010, 11:23 AM
I just hate what agents and players push for. It ruins the financial integrity of the league, and team salary.

Is Noah a good player? Sure. Does he deserve to get paid? Sure. Does he deserve 70 million? Hell no. He's above average on defense, he's average on offense, and he's a great role player. That isn't the type of guy that deserves 14 per year. That's ridiculous.

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 11:24 AM
What a ***** seriously. Hopefully Chicago will laugh at this and try to work something out with Denver. $14mill a year roughly for Noah?? No way.. That's only like 2mill less than LeBron...

arkanian215
09-26-2010, 11:28 AM
Noah and his reps know he's valuable to the Bulls. No reason not to go for big money here. Gotta pay the bills.

Raidaz4Life
09-26-2010, 11:32 AM
I hope the bulls either hung up on his agent or laughed in his face and told him to come back when he didn't feel like wasting their time.


I wouldn't even pay 60 mil over 5 years for him.

JordansBulls
09-26-2010, 11:32 AM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

:nod:

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:33 AM
And this is why the Bulls should have traded him while they could. Noah is a solid big man but THAT IS IT. He is a 10 and 10 guy...and he wants 14 mil a year. Can you say overrate? A couple years back GSW gave Biedrins 10 mil a year...hows that working out. I have never seen an organization and a fanbase overrate a player so highly. It is to the point where Noah actually thinks he is worth 14 mil a year...which is laughable.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:34 AM
I just hate what agents and players push for. It ruins the financial integrity of the league, and team salary.

Is Noah a good player? Sure. Does he deserve to get paid? Sure. Does he deserve 70 million? Hell no. He's above average on defense, he's average on offense, and he's a great role player. That isn't the type of guy that deserves 14 per year. That's ridiculous.

you know when ppl look back and say how did AK 47 get that huge deal,Who gave Rashard Lewis a 100 million dollars? This will be one of those deals

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:34 AM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

why would the want a 10/10 bigman who is demanding 14 mil a year?!?! LOL

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 11:35 AM
And this is why the Bulls should have traded him while they could. Noah is a solid big man but THAT IS IT. He is a 10 and 10 guy...and he wants 14 mil a year. Can you say overrate? A couple years back GSW gave Biedrins 10 mil a year...hows that working out. I have never seen an organization and a fanbase overrate a player so highly. It is to the point where Noah actually thinks he is worth 14 mil a year...which is laughable.
Why is it too late? It looks like the Nets deal might have fallen through.

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 11:36 AM
why would the want a 10/10 bigman who is demanding 14 mil a year?!?! LOL
They seemed to want him before.

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:37 AM
you know when ppl look back and say how did AK 47 get that huge deal,Who gave Rashard Lewis a 100 million dollars? This will be one of those deals

way worse even!!!... those guys were at least allstars before getting their rediculous contracts...

lets face it... Noah is NOT an all-star... dude is pretty average

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:39 AM
Why is it too late? It looks like the Nets deal might have fallen through.


They seemed to want him before.

You don't think him not going to camp and demanding 14 mil a year would change their opinion of him. They are looking for young talent on the cheap. Not a guy that wants to get paid like Melo but offer them much much much much much less...

DQL
09-26-2010, 11:39 AM
seriously the Bulls should include him to get Melo and send Deng to Magic for Gortat and Pietrus. Gortat ain't that much worse than Noah TBH

Gortat/Boozer/Anthony/Pietrus/Rose

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 11:42 AM
You don't think him not going to camp and demanding 14 mil a year would change their opinion of him. They are looking for young talent on the cheap. Not a guy that wants to get paid like Melo but offer them much much much much much less...

Good points. I also didn't realize that he is already 25.. for some reason I thought he was much younger.

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:43 AM
Thats a solid idea DQL... but Im not sure they could pull it off anymore to be honest. If I am Denver I would only make the trade if Noah pre-agreed to a reasonable extension (5 years/40-50 mil). Otherwise...why trade for a guy that can price himself out of your price range next year

JordansBulls
09-26-2010, 11:45 AM
seriously the Bulls should include him to get Melo and send Deng to Magic for Gortat and Pietrus. Gortat ain't that much worse than Noah TBH

Gortat/Boozer/Anthony/Pietrus/Rose

Man that would be awesome.

daleja424
09-26-2010, 11:47 AM
btw... this is why I am angry that people are hating on Lebron and Bosh btw. B/c there are guys out there like Noah, who is looking to get paid a near max deal, and its a joke. Lebron, Bosh, and Wade will be making 14 mil next year....and Noah thinks he should be making the same...

netsgiantsyanks
09-26-2010, 11:49 AM
yeah, no.

Agar81
09-26-2010, 11:49 AM
And this is why the Bulls should have traded him while they could. Noah is a solid big man but THAT IS IT. He is a 10 and 10 guy...and he wants 14 mil a year. Can you say overrate? A couple years back GSW gave Biedrins 10 mil a year...hows that working out. I have never seen an organization and a fanbase overrate a player so highly. It is to the point where Noah actually thinks he is worth 14 mil a year...which is laughable.

:nod:

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:50 AM
seriously the Bulls should include him to get Melo and send Deng to Magic for Gortat and Pietrus. Gortat ain't that much worse than Noah TBH

Gortat/Boozer/Anthony/Pietrus/Rose

Good Idea

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 11:52 AM
yeah, no.

lmao well said.Short and sweet

Burkey3472
09-26-2010, 11:56 AM
70 million.....hell no. :laugh2:

(DET)#1 ALL DAY
09-26-2010, 11:58 AM
Remember that ben wallace deal chicago fans??

DeyAce
09-26-2010, 12:00 PM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

This.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 12:00 PM
Thats a solid idea DQL... but Im not sure they could pull it off anymore to be honest. If I am Denver I would only make the trade if Noah pre-agreed to a reasonable extension (5 years/40-50 mil). Otherwise...why trade for a guy that can price himself out of your price range next year

If they threaten to send him to a Carmelo less Nuggets where its just him an aging Billups and injury prone Nene...he will take 10 million in Chicago and be happy

Gators123
09-26-2010, 12:00 PM
They should try and get Melo while its still possible.

SA5195
09-26-2010, 12:01 PM
I love him (no homo), but seriously he's not that good to deserve 70mill.

kjoke
09-26-2010, 12:01 PM
2 words

get melo

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 12:01 PM
Remember that ben wallace deal chicago fans??

oh man,two similar situations,but Wallace was better! He had just won a ring

WeAreClutch
09-26-2010, 12:02 PM
only pay him if he cuts his hair and buys a razor

Antipod
09-26-2010, 12:02 PM
i think it is way too much. 5/50 is the best price, but in order to keep one of your best players, you often have to overpay.

JordansBulls
09-26-2010, 12:03 PM
Remember that ben wallace deal chicago fans??

We didn't have anyone else on our team better than him. Bulls have 2 guys for sure better and maybe 3 now with Deng.

daleja424
09-26-2010, 12:05 PM
Guess what... Erick Dampier can offer you 8/8 for 1.4 million. That is almost the same production for one tenth of the price.

Noah had 6 win shares last year. Lebron James had 18. So Noah wants to get paid at 3 times the rate of Lebron James.

Noah is not a main component of a championship team. He is not part of a big 3. He is not part of a big 4. He is essentially Kendrick Perkins for a contender. He is the big guy in the middle who doesn't get his name called that often. The guy that people are only suppose to notice when he screws up.

If the Bulls do this I guarantee that they will regret it. When teams sign 3rd-tier, 4th-tier, 5-tier players to star money they ALWAYS regret it. Signing this deal means that Chicago will have to keep this team...and it is not good enough to win a title right now.

Last year when the Cavs signed Varajao...I said that it was the end of Lebron in Cleveland. You can't create a winner when the first guys you lock up are the role players...and their deals are out of control.

YoungOne
09-26-2010, 12:08 PM
seriously the Bulls should include him to get Melo and send Deng to Magic for Gortat and Pietrus. Gortat ain't that much worse than Noah TBH

Gortat/Boozer/Anthony/Pietrus/Rose

why would the magic do this?

Lloyd Christmas
09-26-2010, 12:10 PM
The absolute most I would pay him is 10 mil a year.

daleja424
09-26-2010, 12:12 PM
^still too much IMO. I know that he will get that much...but whoever signs him to that deal will regret it down the road. Noah is worth around 8 mil probably.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 12:14 PM
why would the magic do this?

They never use Gortat,hes pretty good

Sadds The Gr8
09-26-2010, 12:16 PM
5 YEARS 70 MIL?!??!?!?!?!?!

LLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL L

:laugh2: :laugh: :facepalm:

YoungOne
09-26-2010, 12:25 PM
They never use Gortat,hes pretty good

I mean why they would want deng?

KingOf215
09-26-2010, 12:26 PM
I am no Chicago fan, but I think Noah is worth the 65MIL. He brings a lot to the table, and 65MIL in 2010 isn't the same as it was in the past. It seems like everyone is getting overpaid anyway... so that should be the standard.

airronijordan
09-26-2010, 12:27 PM
hes not worth that much

daleja424
09-26-2010, 12:28 PM
I am no a Chicago fan, but I think Noah is worth the 65MIL. He brings a lot to the table.

what skill does he bring to the table that warrants him making near max money?

KingOf215
09-26-2010, 12:33 PM
He's a top 10 player at his position. Granted, it's a position that's slim on talent these days, but it is what it is.

If Samuel Dalembert got over 12mill a year for a few years straight, Noah can get 65mill over 5 years. The request for 70mill is obviously a negotiating tactic to drive up his salary.

RCarlson85
09-26-2010, 12:33 PM
Real good choice not trading Noah for Melo. He's really worth 70 million.

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 12:36 PM
He's a top 10 player at his position. Granted, it's a position that's slim on talent these days, but it is what it is.

If Samuel Dalembert got over 12mill a year for a few years straight, Noah can get 65mill over 5 years. The request for 70mill is obviously a negotiating tactic to drive up his salary.
:facepalm: Does that mean he deserved it?? Because you said Noah is worth 65Mill.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 12:37 PM
I mean why they would want deng?

Gortat and Pietrus are seldom used and make the same as Deng Probably,Deng dropped like 18ppg last year.If your gunna overpay,might as well use the talent

YoungOne
09-26-2010, 12:43 PM
Gortat and Pietrus are seldom used and make the same as Deng Probably,Deng dropped like 18ppg last year.If your gunna overpay,might as well use the talent

deng is no 3-point shooter tho i don't think he fits with the magic... not for giving up gortat and pietrus

KingOf215
09-26-2010, 12:50 PM
:facepalm: Does that mean he deserved it?? Because you said Noah is worth 65Mill.



Well if you turn this thread into an issue of semantics, then no athlete truly deserves the millions of dollars that they make.

What I'm saying is relative to the market, and the money that was thrown around last year, this is not a totally unfair value. Is it a high price tag? - Absolutely, however, in 2010-11, I am convinced there will be plenty of players who underachieve when compared to their contracts. This potential Noah contract would not make the top overpaid duds list, because the bottom line is you are getting a top 10 center who is still getting better.

Player salary and relative worth is a value that changes every year. I think many of you are stuck in a 2009-10 salary structure.

justinnum1
09-26-2010, 12:52 PM
And this is why the Bulls should have traded him while they could. Noah is a solid big man but THAT IS IT. He is a 10 and 10 guy...and he wants 14 mil a year. Can you say overrate? A couple years back GSW gave Biedrins 10 mil a year...hows that working out. I have never seen an organization and a fanbase overrate a player so highly. It is to the point where Noah actually thinks he is worth 14 mil a year...which is laughable.

:clap: Well Said.

Noah is willing to financially cripple his team like that? With Rose, Boozer, Deng, and Noah's contracts, thats gonna be like 60+mil a year...with the new CBA:crazy:

DQL
09-26-2010, 12:52 PM
I mean why they would want deng?

It was a draft-day trade rumor

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/bullsmagic-deal-involving-deng-a-long-shot-380466.html

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/deng-to-orlando-talk-legit-but-unlikely-380397.html

JB0B0
09-26-2010, 12:53 PM
I just hate what agents and players push for. It ruins the financial integrity of the league, and team salary.

Is Noah a good player? Sure. Does he deserve to get paid? Sure. Does he deserve 70 million? Hell no. He's above average on defense, he's average on offense, and he's a great role player. That isn't the type of guy that deserves 14 per year. That's ridiculous.

I agree. 10 million per year is more than enough for Noah.

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 12:54 PM
It was a draft-day trade rumor

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/bullsmagic-deal-involving-deng-a-long-shot-380466.html

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/comments/deng-to-orlando-talk-legit-but-unlikely-380397.html

nice find ,never heard that

DocJayzSpikx
09-26-2010, 01:15 PM
This seems alot like what was goin on with Varejao, similar type players.

ShaqShoes
09-26-2010, 01:18 PM
Well if you turn this thread into an issue of semantics, then no athlete truly deserves the millions of dollars that they make.

What I'm saying is relative to the market, and the money that was thrown around last year, this is not a totally unfair value. Is it a high price tag? - Absolutely, however, in 2010-11, I am convinced there will be plenty of players who underachieve when compared to their contracts. This potential Noah contract would not make the top overpaid duds list, because the bottom line is you are getting a top 10 center who is still getting better.

Player salary and relative worth is a value that changes every year. I think many of you are stuck in a 2009-10 salary structure.

I meant Sammy D sucks.

MJ-BULLS
09-26-2010, 01:19 PM
We need to trade him if he thinks he is going to get that much money.

He wants to get money similar to what james and wade got, and they are way better players than him.

Garpax needs to pull the trigger. then sign big Damp.

PV2nice
09-26-2010, 02:02 PM
I think their numbers is based off what David Lee received 5yrs@80mil when his sign and trade went through. Lee will be making 15.4 mil :speechless: last two yrs of contract. What their asking for is a bit much for at best a 10 & 10 player. Noah brings more than just points and boards to the game however you can thank Golden State for driving up the price for Noah!!!!

Basketash
09-26-2010, 02:13 PM
heeeeeeeeeeeell no

Ragun
09-26-2010, 02:22 PM
just let him become a RFA.

ClayMatthews
09-26-2010, 02:24 PM
What a piece of crap. Maybe he can deflate his head with the extra cash. The guy is so full of himself.

5ass
09-26-2010, 02:29 PM
They will regret not giving him up for Melo so bad,but they would have to move Deng.He makes way too much cash to play 15 minz on the bench.Figure that out later though

melo and deng can play together.. one of them would play SG, im sure he would still be playing around 30 min per game, but i think they should trade noah for melo and then trade deng for a decent C

justinnum1
09-26-2010, 02:31 PM
If denver i dumb enough to take Deng, its a no brainer

Khalifa21
09-26-2010, 03:41 PM
This is pretty much the final nail in the coffin for the Bulls chances of getting Melo.

That 5 year/$70mil asking price is gonna scare the hell out of Denver.

ChiSox219
09-26-2010, 03:59 PM
What a piece of crap. Maybe he can deflate his head with the extra cash. The guy is so full of himself.

He really is

ChI_ShIzzLe
09-26-2010, 05:41 PM
If denver i dumb enough to take Deng, its a no brainer

Everytime I look at your sig, it has something to do with the Bulls, you SCURRRED?

Super.
09-26-2010, 06:59 PM
$14M Per for Noah?

:laugh:

Slimsim
09-26-2010, 07:04 PM
Once Noah make 70 mils for 5 years. He will lose all that hype.

imagesrdecievin
09-26-2010, 07:07 PM
Bulls fans have been saying how Noah is more valuable than Melo - guess this where it's time to put your money where your mouth is :)

MagicBucsSox
09-26-2010, 07:12 PM
this kid not even good, dwights first ext was 85m. meaning noah's should be 20

xabial
09-26-2010, 07:19 PM
this kid not even good, dwights first ext was 85m. meaning noah's should be 20

Yea but he averaged 11 Rebounds, 1.6 blocks never mind the 10.7 points. He's def worth 70m....

bkmikeyy
09-26-2010, 07:25 PM
Its gotta be a scare tactic to make him untradeable to the Nuggets...

spreadeagle
09-26-2010, 07:30 PM
Its gotta be a scare tactic to make him untradeable to the Nuggets...

lol good point

RC3
09-26-2010, 08:01 PM
But Joakim Noah is the GOAT. He deserves more. :)

Knickfansince97
09-26-2010, 08:16 PM
:crazy: 70 mil and david lee is better than him

jackdawson
09-26-2010, 08:18 PM
Hell no!!! With the new CBA, that might be a max deal. He is out of this world now. Bulls fans overrate him way too much and that might just get him think he actually deserves that. 8/9 million is a good deal for both sides. He is not worth more than that IMO.

Catfish1314
09-26-2010, 08:21 PM
I think their numbers is based off what David Lee received 5yrs@80mil when his sign and trade went through. Lee will be making 15.4 mil :speechless: last two yrs of contract. What their asking for is a bit much for at best a 10 & 10 player. Noah brings more than just points and boards to the game however you can thank Golden State for driving up the price for Noah!!!!

Exactly. It sounds ridiculus but the prices for good big men are always ridiculous.

zambo4president
09-26-2010, 08:30 PM
Uh ohh, I don't like the sound of this. Noah is worth a shitload, but not a near max.

The_Jamal
09-26-2010, 08:39 PM
Okafor, Lee, Biendrins, Dalembert all average at best big men(Other than Lee, but even he's still overpriced for what he brings) who got payed 10mil+ because of how hard it is to find any talent at all at C. Sadly it's the going rate for big-men, but Noah's out of his mind asking for 14 mil a year. I wouldn't mind a 5/55 deal or something to that extent, but he's no where near a max player.

jkcronyn
09-26-2010, 08:40 PM
if he gets a haircut, he's worth 10 a year... 14 a year is 3 less than lebron this year... you can't even begin to justify that kind of money for a kid who's got a bad attitude half the time and has only been in the league for 3 yrs

Gators123
09-26-2010, 08:42 PM
So everybody agrees if he gets a haircut hes worth more? lol

dtmagnet
09-26-2010, 08:44 PM
That's brutal, no way should he be payed that much.

GunFactor187
09-26-2010, 08:49 PM
Chicago doesn't need Noah, they have Scalabrine now.

eXpLiiCt
09-26-2010, 09:16 PM
5 year 70 mill more like 5 year 30 mill he isn't even good omg Bulls so stupid for not trading him for melo

ChI_ShIzzLe
09-26-2010, 10:14 PM
As much as I love Noah, he aint worth more than 5 years 55 mill.

Raps08-09 Champ
09-26-2010, 10:17 PM
Send this guy to the Nuggets then.

He's not worth more than 10 mil a year.

He's like 24 and I don't see him growing into anything more than a 15 PPG scorer.

He's essentially a better scorer than Anderson Varejao.

Gators123
09-26-2010, 10:17 PM
Well he wants 70, so how much do you think he will actually get? 60? 65?

ChI_ShIzzLe
09-26-2010, 10:23 PM
Bulls should go 60 MAX and that is it, if they give him anything more than that, the whole FO should be fired. I hope they spent this weekend talking to Noah's agent on how much he will accept, otherwise they better make a move for Melo while he's still available.

nekosquare
09-26-2010, 10:39 PM
would this deal extend after the season? I can't imagine why the bulls would throw an extra 10m at noah next year.
Not to mention they can have him at the 6.4 QO year right? If noah considers how much money he loses by not getting the deal done before he's stuck with the QO year, I think he'll come down. I hope this doesn't turn into another BG7 situation.
As for the trade, if Noah takes 8-10 million he's valuable and fairly paid ... meaning it'll be tough to see him go. If he demands to be overpaid, let him and his plantar fasciatis be somebody else's headache.

JordansBulls
09-26-2010, 10:52 PM
I wouldn't give Noah more than a 5 year/50 million deal.

Shmontaine
09-26-2010, 10:55 PM
There's no way he'll get that much... no reason for the bulls to pay him.. he's a RFA next year and i don't think any team will offer him MORE than this nonsense... I'm a big Jono supporter, but this is not realistic... I see them settling around 5/60, which is probably what jono wanted all along...

the interesting thing to me is how JR will pay the guys he likes... Players like Noc and deng got above market contracts IMO because JR liked them... BG, the door... IDK, just something i noticed during all of this... I don't see Jono going anywhere.. the bulls won't pay 14 per because they don't have to... If this happens next year, which i doubt, it'll be a story... right now, i don't think this is anything more than talk.... Jono wants to be here and the bulls want him here, they will get it done...

29$JerZ
09-26-2010, 10:56 PM
I wouldn't give Noah more than a 5 year/50 million deal.

No one should, but he'll get more from someone.
That's the problems with the lack of decent Center's in the NBA.

D1JM
09-26-2010, 11:03 PM
trade his assssssssss for melo. I dont give a ****, sign dj mbenga

D Roses Bulls
09-26-2010, 11:11 PM
And this is why the Bulls should have traded him while they could. Noah is a solid big man but THAT IS IT. He is a 10 and 10 guy...and he wants 14 mil a year. Can you say overrate? A couple years back GSW gave Biedrins 10 mil a year...hows that working out. I have never seen an organization and a fanbase overrate a player so highly. It is to the point where Noah actually thinks he is worth 14 mil a year...which is laughable.

Ok I like you so im going to take it easy on you. not because noah is a bull, but I am a huge huge Florida Gator fan. I watched this guy through all of college, every game and in his sophomore year he was dominating on offense. they won the championship, next year, Donovan had him step his offensive game down a notch because horford and brewer were really developing. so he worked on his defense even more and became elite in college, which he is in the NBA at the defensive end especially for his size. so really he didnt get time to develop it as much as he could of in college and then he was drafted and wasn't used right. he wasn't really receiving the touches till the playoffs and if you look at his numbers in the playoffs, pretty impressive considering he was the only big guy the bulls had against clevelands big men. even if he only scored 5 points a game, he was top 3 in rebounds, top 10 in blocks (pretty sure on that, not completely) he gives you his all and even if he isnt involved in a play, he still has an impact. also he is only 24 years old. he is more then just solid. he would start for 25 of the NBA teams in the League right now and he is only going to get better especially when he gets stronger. the guy was an injury away from making the all star team. I will say he isnt worth 13-14 million a year, but its hard to find big men now a days in the NBA. it's always been hard to have a good big man and thats why they get paid so much usually. theres a reason why not only the bulls management, but half the gm's around the league when polled were very iffy on trading noah for melo. you cant compare biedrins to noah. they are two completely different player. noah plays defense, Biedrins really doesnt. a lot of you, even some bulls fans will sit there and say noah is average, but to be honest most people who say he is average don't even watch the bull on a regular basis or never really watched noah and only go by stats which stats are nice, but they do not always tell the full story. your a miami fan..... even the raptors tried trading bosh for noah all of this past year and summer and couldnt even do that. noah is better then just solid or average and he is still real young and hasnt even hit his prime yet. the fact is, big men will get paid 10 million a year if they are just solid, thats how the NBA works.

Fireworld
09-27-2010, 12:25 AM
Not worth 65-70 Mill. I think 50-55 is good. Don't forget we're talking about millions of dollars!!!! Geez, NBA players are getting greedy, and no ambition to win a championship.

arkanian215
09-27-2010, 12:29 AM
Not worth 65-70 Mill. I think 50-55 is good. Don't forget we're talking about millions of dollars!!!! Geez, NBA players are getting greedy, and no ambition to win a championship.

You're talking about $10-$15 million difference. I'd be "greedy" too if I could bargain my way to a higher salary. Championships are overrated. You play the game to get paid, although getting championships may have some effect on earnings.

bryan71023
09-27-2010, 01:49 AM
The most Noah deserves is 8 million a year. He can easily be replace, it's not like he's a Dwight Howard, Tim Duncan, or a Kevin Garnett. Yes he can rebound a lot, but when you are a power forward or a center you better rebound the ball especially when you're in the NBA. Noah is crazy he's not worth it I don't understand what the Bulls see in him, they could have gotten Carmelo but blew it because they wouldn't trade Noah for him, what a bunch of idiots.

Ovratd1up
09-27-2010, 02:19 AM
I mean he's better than just a big guy no one notices, a 10 and 10 guy.

Last year he was an 11/11 guy (healthy 12+/12+, but restricted by injury) in 30 minutes. Give him 34 minutes and improvement, he can be a 13.5/12.5 guy, and there aren't too many of those around. Does this mean anything? That he's a great rebounder. He'll be a decent offensive player, and definitely above average on defense, though still a little overrated on that end, a good shotblocker, good passer for a big man, and can run the floor. That's certainly more than a nobody center.

Is he worth 5/70? Hell no. If he got in the weight room and improved his man to man defense, he'd have something of a case.

IndyRealist
09-27-2010, 12:30 PM
They're not making any more moves, so split the difference at $63M and frontload the contract so that it declines in value every year.

tcav701
09-27-2010, 01:30 PM
Does anybody think hes worth anything close to that?

I would give him 7-8 mil a year tops because thats what he has earned.

Cool007
09-27-2010, 01:32 PM
Half of you just don't know **** about what you are talking about.

Noah has been at the Berto Center working his *** out the whole summer. He already had planned event this weekend so he just took couple days off to visit his dad in France (the last weekend) before season starts.

What so a guy can't go on a weekend trip to see his dad on a planned event for a couple of days??? He will be back (he is already back actually) for the media day today.

Get a grip guys. It's poopsworld with agenda. Making something out of nothing.


Regarding the contract, it's called NEGOTIATIONS. Bulls started off with $10mil, he wants $14mil a year. They will settle for $12mil a year when all said and done.

Or he will be a restricted free agent and Bulls can match any offer.

So just chill. He is not going anywhere.

Also, to those that think Bulls need to trade him for Melo. Hell yeah but all the reports are saying that Denver doesn't want Luol Deng. So how can Bulls trade Noah without Denver wanting Deng for Melo????

So please stop.

Hellcrooner
09-27-2010, 01:37 PM
Thats what happens when fan bases go homer on a player and think he is better than he is.
He goes and demmands too much.(hapened with BYnum too)


If he GETS 70 Atlanta and Memphis can start to sell their arenas to pay horford and Marc gasol

tcav701
09-27-2010, 01:44 PM
If the Bulls give $50 mil + a year for 3 players (none of which are top 5 at their position although Rose will be), they wont see the ECF's untill they get rid of the contract mistakes they are sure to make.

Cool007
09-27-2010, 01:57 PM
If the Bulls give $50 mil + a year for 3 players (none of which are top 5 at their position although Rose will be), they wont see the ECF's untill they get rid of the contract mistakes they are sure to make.

:confused:
What??? How do you give 3 players $50mil + a year??? Unless they are all Max players???

None of them (Boozer/Noah/Deng) are Max players and NONE OF THEM are getting Max either.

So your statement is totally FALSE.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 01:59 PM
btw... this is why I am angry that people are hating on Lebron and Bosh btw. B/c there are guys out there like Noah, who is looking to get paid a near max deal, and its a joke. Lebron, Bosh, and Wade will be making 14 mil next year....and Noah thinks he should be making the same...

on top of that, all three HONORED their contracts without crying for a trade. And yet they are the evil three now

king4day
09-27-2010, 01:59 PM
I would trade his *** for Melo right now.

100%.
He's not worth that much. I don't know he's even worth 10 right now, but I'd only go that high. Let him be a burden with Denver and get yourself a sure bet and likely title contention for the next 5 years or so right now with Anthony.

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:01 PM
:confused:
What??? How do you give 3 players $50mil + a year??? Unless they are all Max players???

None of them (Boozer/Noah/Deng) are Max players and NONE OF THEM are getting Max either.

So your statement is totally FALSE.

Ok well 45 mil is more like it.

16 for Boozer
12 for Noah
16 at least to resign Rose

Im not counting Deng in here because he will be gone to make these deals possible.

That core will not get by on vet mins and MLE's.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:03 PM
Does anybody think hes worth anything close to that?

I would give him 7-8 mil a year tops because thats what he has earned.

centers who are elite defenders and rebounders are worth top dollar. Noah, on his own, is not a top 7 center. But truth be told, he is the heart of the Bulls and a total warrior. He is one player stats don't measure correctly. If players like Iggy, Deng, Gay, (ie, wings who score 19 ppg, and there are tons of them) can get deals like that, so should Noah.
If the Bulls traded Noah for Melo straight up, I like the Bulls chances less. He is that important to them.

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:10 PM
centers who are elite defenders and rebounders are worth top dollar. Noah, on his own, is not a top 7 center. But truth be told, he is the heart of the Bulls and a total warrior. He is one player stats don't measure correctly. If players like Iggy, Deng, Gay, (ie, wings who score 19 ppg, and there are tons of them) can get deals like that, so should Noah.
If the Bulls traded Noah for Melo straight up, I like the Bulls chances less. He is that important to them.

I agree, but 12 million???

I dont see how Noah can be worth as much as the entire Celtics frontcourt rotation.

He is a great rebounder and I think people overrate him a little defensively.

I just couldnt strap the franchise financially for someone with 0 offensive game. His rebounding will go down with the addition of Boozer.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:15 PM
I agree, but 12 million???

I dont see how Noah can be worth as much as the entire Celtics frontcourt rotation.

He is a great rebounder and I think people overrate him a little defensively.

I just couldnt strap the franchise financially for someone with 0 offensive game. His rebounding will go down with the addition of Boozer.

I doubt his rebounding drops much with Boozer there. What is with the Celtics reference? Those guys are 100 years old. You don't give them anything but shorterm small deals

Look at it like this. The Bulls can simply say, "do what you want. When your free agency comes around, and you get offers, we will match, or we can deal with it then"

when you look at many of the salaries around the NBA, $12 million is not bad for a legit starting center who has already shown he is an animal in the playoffs, and one of the better post defenders in the NBA

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:18 PM
I doubt his rebounding drops much with Boozer there. What is with the Celtics reference? Those guys are 100 years old. You don't give them anything but shorterm small deals

Look at it like this. The Bulls can simply say, "do what you want. When your free agency comes around, and you get offers, we will match, or we can deal with it then"

when you look at many of the salaries around the NBA, $12 million is not bad for a legit starting center who has already shown he is an animal in the playoffs, and one of the better post defenders in the NBA

Its pretty bad when it prevents you from getting help.

Boozer will be there for the next 5 and Rose will get a new contract next year. So if you're the Bulls you are commiting to that core to win you rings. They will handcuff themselves from getting help.

8kobe24
09-27-2010, 02:18 PM
If you guys look at the trend, 70m/5years is just about right for Noah. Is he worth that much? NO. Will he get that much money? Probably, if not close to it. IMO he worth about 40-45m/5 years which is just right for a hustle player.

CubsFanBudMan#1
09-27-2010, 02:19 PM
That's to much for Noah, i agree trade him for Melo! I'd hate to lose him but we can't get stuck with another bad contract. He had one good year and now thinks he's worth almost as much as boozer that's crazy.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:23 PM
Its pretty bad when it prevents you from getting help.

Boozer will be there for the next 5 and Rose will get a new contract next year. So if you're the Bulls you are commiting to that core to win you rings. They will handcuff themselves from getting help.

if you let him go, you now need a replacement. Melo for Noah, and you are still no closer to a championship. They need to lock him up. If they could get Nene in a return deal for Melo, than I would be ok with it.

My point is, big men who can defend, rebound, run, and have proved they can ball in the playoffs won't come cheap. I honestly think guys like Noah should be making the money Iggy, Deng, Gay, etc make, and wings who average 19 a game, which there are tons of, should be the ones making $7-8 million

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:24 PM
If you guys look at the trend, 70m/5years is just about right for Noah. Is he worth that much? NO. Will he get that much money? Probably, if not close to it. IMO he worth about 40-45m/5 years which is just right for a hustle player.

exactly right. Looking around the NBA at the current deals, Noah is totally justified in his request

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:26 PM
if you let him go, you now need a replacement. Melo for Noah, and you are still no closer to a championship. They need to lock him up. If they could get Nene in a return deal for Melo, than I would be ok with it.

My point is, big men who can defend, rebound, run, and have proved they can ball in the playoffs won't come cheap. I honestly think guys like Noah should be making the money Iggy, Deng, Gay, etc make, and wings who average 19 a game, which there are tons of, should be the ones making $7-8 million

Im not sayin to trade him for Melo.

Im also not saying that Iggy, Deng and Gay aren't over paid. They are.

The single point I am making is signing Noah and Rose to $12 and $16-18 mil a year respectively, makes it impossible to go out and get multiple pieces needed to compete for a ring.

Sometimes you have to subtract before you can add. Or the Bulls can thorw money at these guys "important to the team" and end up like the Hawks and Grizz.

Even if you're going to sign him, why do so before the new CBA when you can give him what hes worth?

mikantsass
09-27-2010, 02:27 PM
Something is seriously wrong with these NBA contracts when this bum can demand $70mil and have his demands be totally justified.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:32 PM
Im not sayin to trade him for Melo.

Im also not saying that Iggy, Deng and Gay aren't over paid. They are.

The single point I am making is signing Noah and Rose to $12 and $16-18 mil a year respectively, makes it impossible to go out and get multiple pieces needed to compete for a ring.

Sometimes you have to subtract before you can add. Or the Bulls can thorw money at these guys "important to the team" and end up like the Hawks and Grizz.

I disagree. Having Rose, Boozer, Noah, locked up, and moving Deng for young players or smaller deals, is a good foundation. And we all know vets who are looking to win take the small deals from contenders.
Trust me, I think most of the contracts are laughable in the NBA. But Noah is a key piece of that team, and can not be allowed to walk for nothing. If you move Deng/Noah for Nene/Melo, that would be fair. But you need a big badly in Chicago to defend Dwight, the C's, and eventually, Bynum and Gasol

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:32 PM
Something is seriously wrong with these NBA contracts when this bum can demand $70mil and have his demands be totally justified.

Garnett's deal back in the late 90's started all this crap. Basketball players pay is so out of hand, its unreal

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:35 PM
I disagree. Having Rose, Boozer, Noah, locked up, and moving Deng for young players or smaller deals, is a good foundation. And we all know vets who are looking to win take the small deals from contenders.
Trust me, I think most of the contracts are laughable in the NBA. But Noah is a key piece of that team, and can not be allowed to walk for nothing. If you move Deng/Noah for Nene/Melo, that would be fair. But you need a big badly in Chicago to defend Dwight, the C's, and eventually, Bynum and Gasol

So you think they have a snowballs chance in hell with that core?

The only pieces they can add are the vet mins and MLE's the Heat, Celtics, Magic and Lakers DONT want.

They will never be better than Miami with that core. How is this any different than what the Hawks and Grizz are doing?

And as i added in my last post, if youre going to resgin Noah, why do so before the new CBA where his deamnd would likely have to go down?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
09-27-2010, 02:35 PM
ahahahahahah This is a slap in the face to the bulls fans talkin ish to me!!!!!:laugh:

DoubleDragon
09-27-2010, 02:36 PM
I just hate what agents and players push for. It ruins the financial integrity of the league, and team salary.

Is Noah a good player? Sure. Does he deserve to get paid? Sure. Does he deserve 70 million? Hell no. He's above average on defense, he's average on offense, and he's a great role player. That isn't the type of guy that deserves 14 per year. That's ridiculous.

Yep.
I love the quote "he'll settle for 65 MILLION because he loves the city so much..."
Wow, that's mighty nice of him.

daleja424
09-27-2010, 02:36 PM
I have to disagree strongly Hawk... Rose, Boozer, and Noah is not nearly enough to be a legit contender IMO. It is going to really hurt when they have 80% of the cap locked up in those three players... Add deng to that core and you are already over the cap and locked in for 4 years.

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:38 PM
I have to disagree strongly Hawk... Rose, Boozer, and Noah is not nearly enough to be a legit contender IMO. It is going to really hurt when they have 80% of the cap locked up in those three players... Add deng to that core and you are already over the cap and locked in for 4 years.

Like i was saying, they would be F'ed for the next 5 years and maybe beyond.

Cool007
09-27-2010, 02:48 PM
Like i was saying, they would be F'ed for the next 5 years and maybe beyond.

Really??? How many teams have a NICE core of 4 players like Rose/Boozer/Noah/Deng???

Give me those 4 players on the team with good enough role players and Bulls should be contending every year.

Why don't you wait until they actually play a game first before you call them "f'ed up for the next 5 years".

Pierzynski4Prez
09-27-2010, 02:51 PM
A lot of you make it sound like its so damn easy to put together a team that is capable of contending with the Lakers or Heat

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:53 PM
Really??? How many teams have a NICE core of 4 players like Rose/Boozer/Noah/Deng???

Give me those 4 players on the team with good enough role players and Bulls should be contending every year.

Why don't you wait until they actually play a game first before you call them "f'ed up for the next 5 years".

Contending for what?

i hope you're not talking about a championship...

But, I will evaluate how they play and anything is possible. What i do know is spending your entire cap on 4 GOOD NOT GREAT players before you have the supporting cast, is recipe for disaster.

tcav701
09-27-2010, 02:55 PM
A lot of you make it sound like its so damn easy to put together a team that is capable of contending with the Lakers or Heat

Its very difficult and the rich only get richer with MLE's and vet mins. You can do it by stockpiling youth to trade for proven stars or clearing cap space. Following the steps of the Hawks and Grizz just wont get it done.

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 02:57 PM
I have to disagree strongly Hawk... Rose, Boozer, and Noah is not nearly enough to be a legit contender IMO. It is going to really hurt when they have 80% of the cap locked up in those three players... Add deng to that core and you are already over the cap and locked in for 4 years.

Then what do you suggest? Trading him for Melo gets them no closer to contending. Do they let him walk, or just let this season play out?

I for one, would just let the season play out. And I think what I continue to try and say, maybe poorly, is looking around the NBA, and the deals that are out there, Noah making $12 million isn't that ridiculous.
The Bulls ALREADY handicapped themselves with the stupid Deng deal, and slightly overpaid Boozer.

daleja424
09-27-2010, 03:08 PM
for the money it will cost I would much rather have Melo. Melo is a star in this league. And he is a guy that can score big time for them. A core of Melo/Boozer/Rose is also A LOT more attractive IMO to outside players.

slapnutz69
09-27-2010, 03:17 PM
LMFAO!! for a guy who cant even shoot a f'n jump shot

ShaqShoes
09-27-2010, 03:17 PM
Zach Harper on ESPN.com was just arguing that Noah is easily worth $12M a year..someone asked him what he would give Noah and he said 5 years $70M..

Zach Harper (Cowbell Kingdom/TrueHoop Network):
I'd pay him $12m but he'll probably get more than that.

Zach Harper (Cowbell Kingdom/TrueHoop Network):
Noah has been used as a bargaining chip for getting LeBron, Wade, Bosh and Melo all off-season. His value will never be higher. He can get a ridiculous contract because of it and they almost have to give it to him.

That is the first person I have heard of agreeing with this contract. Why do people like Zach Harper have jobs on ESPN and TrueHoop? I think most people on here know more about basketball than these people.

D1JM
09-27-2010, 03:26 PM
If you guys look at the trend, 70m/5years is just about right for Noah. Is he worth that much? NO. Will he get that much money? Probably, if not close to it. IMO he worth about 40-45m/5 years which is just right for a hustle player.

he's worth more than that. How many double double guys are there in the league? last season only 9 if i am not mistaken

ShaqShoes
09-27-2010, 03:31 PM
he's worth more than that. How many double double guys are there in the league? last season only 9 if i am not mistaken
Andrew Bogut, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, David Lee, Kevin Love, Troy Murphy, Joakim Noah, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace.

And I would take all these guys based on last season over Noah, except Murphy I guess.

jiggin
09-27-2010, 03:33 PM
noah is joke...he isn't that good.

D1JM
09-27-2010, 03:33 PM
Andrew Bogut, Chris Bosh, Carlos Boozer, Tim Duncan, Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard, David Lee, Kevin Love, Troy Murphy, Joakim Noah, Zach Randolph, Gerald Wallace.

And I would take all these guys based on last season over Noah, except Murphy I guess.

how much are all those guys getting paid? last time i checked its a little bit more than 40-45 million contracts


edit: i am focusin on the centers

tcav701
09-27-2010, 03:38 PM
how much are all those guys getting paid? last time i checked its a little bit more than 40-45 million contracts

Yea.

And the teams are stuck and regretting the lesser half of those names. And i really hope you dont have the balls to compare Noah to the better half.

GunFactor187
09-27-2010, 03:40 PM
noah is joke...he isn't that good.

You're right, Scalabrine is better.

ShaqShoes
09-27-2010, 03:42 PM
how much are all those guys getting paid? last time i checked its a little bit more than 40-45 million contracts
So? They are all better than Noah why shouldn't they be making more than him?

Hawkeye15
09-27-2010, 03:49 PM
for the money it will cost I would much rather have Melo. Melo is a star in this league. And he is a guy that can score big time for them. A core of Melo/Boozer/Rose is also A LOT more attractive IMO to outside players.

let me correct you. I would rather have a Melo/Nene core over Deng/Noah at $14 million core.
That I can agree with. Having star power doesn't necessarily make you good dude. Melo is overrated, as I have discussed countless times, and switching Noah and Melo outright will not make the Bulls any better

DMasta718
09-27-2010, 03:53 PM
Bulls should use this chance to get Melo.

metsbulls1025
09-27-2010, 03:55 PM
The problem now with not trading him for Melo or having him in other packages for other star players is the FO is now going to have to give him what ever ridiculous amount of money he wants. Could you imagine the media and fan uproar if they let him walk after not including him in a deal for Carmelo Anthony? Noah has 100 percent leverage and will get stupid amounts of money. I fell that we don;t need to go out and win next year because it won't happen. However going forward it would be 100 times easier to replace Noah then it would be finding a guy that can score like Melo. For the next 5 years it will be the same 4 guys and a revolving door at SG who will have to come on a very cheap contract. I have seen people say well we can just trade Deng for players later on. Well if no one wants him now for whatever reason why would they want him 1-2 years from now when his salary goes up and he still has years left on his contract? I just feel they are following the same formula they have been following for the past 5-6 years just with different faces. We have a group of guys that are all heart and hustle, the fans get attached, and they get paid stupid amounts of money because they have a smile on their face when they come to work. This team would have worked if other teams in the east didn't improve also, but they did. We still won't be better than the Magic, Celtics, and now Miami. We will be better than last year it is just we will be out in the 2nd round instead of the 1st.

D1JM
09-27-2010, 06:02 PM
Yea.

And the teams are stuck and regretting the lesser half of those names. And i really hope you dont have the balls to compare Noah to the better half.

I only see two centers that average double doubles. I am not trying to say that noah is worth 70 million because i seriously dont think so. My limit is 5 year 60 million and i think thats being generous.

D1JM
09-27-2010, 06:05 PM
Just to clarify i am in the add noah + deng to get melo wagon

godolphins
09-28-2010, 01:02 AM
$14 million a year? :laugh:

tredigs
09-28-2010, 01:32 AM
If his plantar fasciitis doesn't act up this year, Noah's a guy that could average somewhere around ~ 13 ppg 13 rpg (even w/ Boozer there) 3 apg 3 bpg and bring that constant will to win night in/night out (that can't go unnoticed and shouldn't be underrated. That team struggles mightily when he's not in the lineup, and they lose a huge amount of their X-factor of core defensive presence come playoff time... which all championship teams have).

I think he's asking a lot, but relative to the other high-end contracts for marginal players that we see all over this league, it would be worth it. Couldn't disagree with the original post any more that a guy like Dampier (even at a fraction of the cost) is a comparable substitute for Noah (I'm assuming he's saying that due to the heavy bias he has as a Heat fan who may get Damp, and the Bulls being a rival of sorts). When's the last time Dampier's been relevant? The dude's a 20 mpg player.

Fact of the matter is that upper level centers in their prime are TOUGH to come by in this league, and apparently Noah and his agent aren't ignorant to this.

Ace33Bone
09-29-2010, 09:12 AM
Noah is a decent C... nothing extraordinary... he defends, rebounds and plays with a great deal of energy/emotion... still does not have a solid offensive game besides for scoring off of offensive putbacks... all in all he is not worth $70mil... if he is dead set on that then I say its time to get him out of Chicago

pacofunk64
09-29-2010, 10:20 AM
Boy...I love Noah but just not sure I can give him that much. I guess I would try to offer $60 million over 5 years. He's pretty important to the Bulls though.

TheTakeOver24
09-29-2010, 10:30 AM
I would give the dude 11mill per.
His defense is valuable, just not 70mill valuable.