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DenButsu
09-19-2010, 12:00 PM
What is the best 2-position core to build around?


PG / SG
PG / SF
PG / PF
PG / C
SG / SF
SG / PF
SG / C
SF / PF
SF / C
PF / C

White_Mike
09-19-2010, 12:06 PM
SG / C because usually an elite SG basically plays PG too (Kobe and Wade) and you always need an interior presence to score under the basket, rebound, and block shots.

DenButsu
09-19-2010, 12:13 PM
I totally failed. Meant to post a poll. One demerit for me.

thescore53
09-19-2010, 12:15 PM
primary ball handler and a big man

/thread

Hawkeye15
09-19-2010, 12:19 PM
I totally failed. Meant to post a poll. One demerit for me.

took care of it for ya

Kefman2110
09-19-2010, 12:19 PM
pg/c

easy

NJBASEBALL22
09-19-2010, 12:19 PM
Wing (sg or sf) who can handle the ball and a C.

BALLER71
09-19-2010, 12:20 PM
In my opinion you need a wing player that can score and a presence inside from your Center position.

SG/C

lakers4sho
09-19-2010, 12:32 PM
SG or SF/ PF

C can work too, but there are less and less star quality C's, most of the new ones are utility players.

Niro
09-19-2010, 12:39 PM
i voted pg/c with sg/c as a close second

topdog
09-19-2010, 12:41 PM
SG / C because usually an elite SG basically plays PG too (Kobe and Wade) and you always need an interior presence to score under the basket, rebound, and block shots.

This ^

Avenged
09-19-2010, 12:52 PM
A SG and either a C or PF (either one).

To win the title, you really need an inside presence, if you add a perimeter player (SG) and a force inside (C/PF), you're more than likely to have more success depending on their talent of course.

lakers4sho
09-19-2010, 12:59 PM
Look at how many All-Star quality PF's we have, compare that with the number of All-Star quality C's there are in the league.

daleja424
09-19-2010, 12:59 PM
I like the guard/big combo... I think it really doesnt matter at all if the guard is a pg or sg b/c there is a lot of crossover these days...came for the pf and center position.

ink
09-19-2010, 01:00 PM
Conventional practice would say a 1 and a 5 or a 2 and a 5.

But Boston has won a ring (and almost a second) by building an all-star 2, 3, 4 combination with great complementary pieces in Rondo and Perkins. Miami is trying the same thing with an all-star 2, 3, 4.

ink
09-19-2010, 01:18 PM
But you have to have an inside/outside combination to do anything. How that combo is configured depends completely on the individuals you are able to draft or trade for. SA did it with a 1/4 combo, where the 4 was effective on the block, and they had an outstanding 2 as well. Hard to say which one of Parker or Ginobili was most important. With the triangle system PJ runs with the Lakers, they have been able to win with a 2/4 combo because the 2 handles the ball, Gasol is so versatile and Kobe is capable and determined like few other players we've ever seen. None of the above means that either a 2/4 or a 1/4 combination is optimum. The Lakers also won several rings with a deadly 2/5 combination. Totally depends on the capacity of the individual players.

topdog
09-19-2010, 01:38 PM
Boston had the right combination of 2,3,4 though (shooter, scorer, versatile big) and a pretty good young 1 and solid 5.

Pau has enough size and height to be considered a 5 even if he generally plays the 4. (I mean if Big Al can play the 5... but not too well lol).

You can have different combos and obviously there is a lack of both good 2s and 5s but in a perfect world those would be your best two players if you're interested in a championship.

Daze9900
09-19-2010, 01:46 PM
I went with with point guard and center because a good play maker can make the other players around him better, You can't teach size. SG, C came a close second. I feel like SG is like the Running Back position you can always find them around. Not everyone is Kobe or Wade but the 2 guard position is the easiest to fill.

BkOriginalOne
09-19-2010, 01:56 PM
PG is the new position of the 2010's. Center is a stable to win anything.
The offense begins with the PG and ends with the C.

SG/ Center is not even important, it's just traditionally worked out for a lot of teams.
Not in this era.

AIsixersFK
09-19-2010, 02:14 PM
SG / C because usually an elite SG basically plays PG too (Kobe and Wade) and you always need an interior presence to score under the basket, rebound, and block shots.

this. Plus you need someone to score that being the SG instead of having someone just set up plays which the sg can also do and you need the inside presence of a bigman.

jackdawson
09-19-2010, 02:37 PM
SG/C. Perimeter scoring (w/ball handling such as Wade, Kobe, Roy) and a dominat inside presence. A PF should work as well though I prefer a true center who can defend, block, and score.

OGMarkWahlberg
09-19-2010, 02:43 PM
Look at the past few championships...there all a dominant wingman and big man you dont need 2 specify the position all you need is a dominant pg/sg/sf combined with a dominant pf/c
Kobe Gasol
Pierce Ray Ray KG
Ginobli Parker Duncan
Wade Shaq
etc

topdog
09-19-2010, 03:27 PM
Look at the past few championships...there all a dominant wingman and big man you dont need 2 specify the position all you need is a dominant pg/sg/sf combined with a dominant pf/c
Kobe Gasol
Pierce Ray Ray KG
Ginobli Parker Duncan
Wade Shaq
etc

I would debate pg both as wingman an as part of the two-man championship equation. People keep bringing up 3-man cores but we are talking 2. You need a wing who can score and handle and a big who can own the block on both ends. Center fits best because the 5 is the biggest man out there and you have to be able to defend it, not just operate against it. SG fits best because of the ball-handling duties associated with that position.

As for whoever said it's easy to find an SG, I would disagree. Far more of the wings coming into the league lately have been 3s rather than 2s and it's hard to find a true SG, much less a quality one.

Hiphopopotamus
09-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Look at the past few championships...there all a dominant wingman and big man you dont need 2 specify the position all you need is a dominant pg/sg/sf combined with a dominant pf/c
Kobe Gasol
Pierce Ray Ray KG
Ginobli Parker Duncan
Wade Shaq
etc

I chose pg/c, but really this is the truth. Position isnt so important. You need an outside and an inside presence. I chose the 1-5, but look at Bos and LA, a 2-4 combo will do.

Iggz53
09-19-2010, 04:16 PM
SG/PF. You can find role playing centers who play defense and can rebound but PF is much more important offensively because of today's game's need for spacing.

I picked SG over PG because playmaking SG's are usually more successful for 2 reasons imo.
1. They have size along with skill.
2. They allow their team to have 2 creators along with the PG, giving the team a completely new dimension (that's why AI was more successful when he switched to SG)

Chronz
09-19-2010, 06:15 PM
I like LA's formula of a star scorer on the perimeter and the best frontcourt support period.

Patman
09-19-2010, 06:34 PM
Elite Perimeter player and elite Big would be the Combo i take, which positions really don't matter much. And important is that you have a good defensive Team...

DerekRE_3
09-19-2010, 06:44 PM
primary ball handler and a big man

/thread

This, which is why I'm so excited for Tyreke and DeMarcus.

topdog
09-19-2010, 06:57 PM
Really?! PG & C is in the lead? Where is the Nets' title? The Clippers? They both have star PGs and Cs...

The Lakers have won multiple titles not primarily because of Derrick Fisher. I don't even remember who Miami's PG was.

Ray_R
09-19-2010, 06:59 PM
Deron Williams +Dwight :drool:

Gators123
09-19-2010, 07:00 PM
Deron Williams +Dwight :drool:

Almost as good as CP3 and Dwight :)

TheGsw
09-19-2010, 07:33 PM
sg/pf

SugeKnight
09-19-2010, 07:40 PM
Sg/pf

Angel2Maverick
09-19-2010, 08:13 PM
sg/C

mynameismo
09-19-2010, 10:13 PM
I've always liked the 1-4.

Malone / Stockton
Kemp / Payton
Duncan / Parker
Stoudemire / Nash
Nowitzki / Nash
Webber / Bibby
Boozer / D-Will

I know most of em' (except TD and TP) didn't won it all. But you gotta admit a passing PG and and a scoring PF is always fun to watch. Pick and Rolls.. Alleyoops..

kArSoN RyDaH
09-19-2010, 10:16 PM
SG and C. i think kobe and shaq set the bar with that one. =]

JordansBulls
09-19-2010, 10:18 PM
What is the best 2-position core to build around?


PG / SG
PG / SF
PG / PF
PG / C
SG / SF
SG / PF
SG / C
SF / PF
SF / C
PF / C

If the Center is dominant, then PG and Center. If the Center lacks scoring intensity (like Dwight) then SG/C.

dodie53
09-19-2010, 10:40 PM
primary example:
sg - kobe
c - shaq

dodie53
09-19-2010, 10:42 PM
what about
2 - wade
3 - james
4 - bosh
hehe.

Rafer17
09-20-2010, 12:15 AM
Lets take a look at the past championship teams

2010- SG + PF (Kobe + Pau)
2009- SG + PF (Kobe + Pau)
2008- SF + PF (Pierce + KG)
2007- PG + PF/C (Parker + Duncan)
2006- SG + C (Wade + Shaq)
2005- PG + PF/C (Parker + Duncan)
2004- Definition of team
2003- PG + PF/C (Parker + Duncan)
2002- SG + C (Kobe + Shaq)
2001- SG + C (Kobe + Shaq)
2000- SG + C (Kobe + Shaq)

So I think: SG/C, I put TD as PF too, for arguments sake, but I consider him a Center.

Basically a quality shooter and a quality big men.

_KB24_
09-20-2010, 02:32 AM
You can win a ring having a decent PG .

00: Shaq
01: Fisher
02: Fisher
03: Rookie Parker
04: Billups
05: Parker
06: Williams
07: Parker
08: Young Rondo
09: Fisher
10: Fisher

Billups is the only one on that list who was the best player on his team and still Big Ben was just as big a reason they won that title.

Having a SG/SF and a big PF/C is the best case scenario. The Lakers had Shaq and Kobe, the Spurs had Duncan Ginobli/Parker, the Celtics had Pierce/Garnett, Pistons had Billups/Big Ben, and the Lakers have Kobe/Gasol. Best to have a dominant wing because he is going to be the one closing it out for you when the game gets close 9/10 times.

Montana_Rob
09-20-2010, 02:51 AM
Its gotta be Sg/C because the SG can create for him self with a jump shot more reliably than a pure PG can

davids22
09-20-2010, 05:02 PM
PG/C

Love that we have Jennings and Bogut for at least the next 3 seasons. Should be nice to see what pieces get added and dropped around those two.

DenButsu
09-20-2010, 09:42 PM
You can win a ring having a decent PG .

00: Shaq
01: Fisher
02: Fisher
03: Rookie Parker
04: Billups
05: Parker
06: Williams
07: Parker
08: Young Rondo
09: Fisher
10: Fisher

Billups is the only one on that list who was the best player on his team and still Big Ben was just as big a reason they won that title.

:speechless:

I can't believe a Lakers fan of all people would say that Shaq wasn't the best player on that 2000 team. He was totally ****ing dominant.

godolphins
09-20-2010, 09:47 PM
Sg/C IMO