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bartron_44
09-16-2010, 07:14 PM
Who has the best "stuff" between Drabek and Morrow


AA brought these 2 arms in with essentially his first 2 deals as a GM. Everyone immediately jumped on the Drabek bandwagon because we got him in the Doc deal. I think the pitcher that Brandon effing League landed us could turn out to be even better then the one Doc landed us.....He throws harder (4 seamer has touched 98), he has a devastating breaking ball, and he showed in his first year as a starter in the big leagues that he can take on the beasts of the AL East and dominate them when he is firing on all cylinders.

Dol-Fan
09-16-2010, 07:25 PM
Morrow, no doubt.

lovingTO
09-16-2010, 07:39 PM
Better stuff doesn't mean better pitcher. Morrow throws harder but Drabek will be the better of the two.

H-MYK
09-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Morrow, but isn't it a bit early to compare the two? After all, last night was Drabek's first start.

North Yorker
09-16-2010, 08:02 PM
Morrow has the better stuff, but until he learns how to win on the road it's gonna be tough to call him our ace.

Asham
09-16-2010, 09:11 PM
brian tallet has the best stuff in the league

LunchBox
09-16-2010, 09:35 PM
I didn't get to watch the game but I checked out the highlights. Drabek's 4th K was a dirty 95mph fastball that moved a ton down and away to a lefty. Did he do that consistently?

saskjaysfan
09-16-2010, 09:38 PM
I see Drabek's upside as being comparable to Dan Haren, jared weaver, AJ Burnett while morrow could be the best pitcher in the league.

j-mart
09-16-2010, 10:24 PM
brian tallet has the best stuff in the league

Tallet's sideburns don't count.

Manatoo
09-16-2010, 10:36 PM
Morrow

nithanyo
09-16-2010, 11:20 PM
I didnt see Drabek pitch but some of those strikeout pitches i saw in the highlight package was absolutley dirty

FlakeyFool
09-16-2010, 11:23 PM
morrow easily.

masTOR_shake1
09-17-2010, 12:40 AM
morrow, but brandon league had better stuff so....

JaysFan87
09-17-2010, 12:55 AM
morrow without a doubt.....or untill drabek can do what morrow has done this year in the majors.

scottythegreat1
09-17-2010, 10:18 AM
Morrow TODAY Drabek TOMORROW.

Drabek has had ONE start in the big leagues. Talk to me when Drabek has 2 years experience in the big leagues, then this question will come up again, and Ill give you a definate answer.

Twitchy
09-17-2010, 11:14 AM
If it's pure stuff Morrow's is much better than Drabek's. Funny enough they were both taken in the 06 draft, and Morrow went 5th overall while Drabek went 18th.

ramz.n
09-17-2010, 04:50 PM
If it's pure stuff Morrow's is much better than Drabek's. Funny enough they were both taken in the 06 draft, and Morrow went 5th overall while Drabek went 18th.

and yet the age difference is 3?

Twitchy
09-17-2010, 04:56 PM
Pretty sure Drabek was coming out of HS and Morrow out of university.

McJoe
09-17-2010, 06:35 PM
There is a reason that Morrow was taken one ahead of Andrew Miller, 2 ahead of Clayton Kershaw, and 5 slots ahead of Timmy Lincecum. Also interestingly enough 13 slots ahead of Kyle Drabek. Morrow has electric stuff.

dtmagnet
09-17-2010, 11:02 PM
Morrow, Drabek is the better control/poise/mound presence whatever you want to call it.

mkcavy
09-18-2010, 01:05 PM
Morrow has better "stuff" than Drabek. But as a comparison, Burnett had better stuff than Doc when they were both in TO.

Luca68
09-18-2010, 03:46 PM
bottom line is were gonna have a pretty nice looking rotation in a couple of years.

randomness
09-18-2010, 09:04 PM
bottom line is were gonna have a pretty nice looking rotation in a couple of years.

True. Hopefully though, either one of Morrow/Romero/Cecil/Drabek/Marcum can become our ace, or we'll have to trade for one.

Luca68
09-18-2010, 11:11 PM
True. Hopefully though, either one of Morrow/Romero/Cecil/Drabek/Marcum can become our ace, or we'll have to trade for one.

i think that one of these guys definately has the ability to step up and become our ace, they all have the potential especially romero, morrow and drabek.

1hardcore
09-19-2010, 02:17 AM
please oh please don't rush drabek!!!!!!

wamco
09-19-2010, 07:17 AM
Cecil might end up being the most reliable. 9-2 vs al east this year. Just came off his last 6 g which included 2 vs tb, 2 vs ny, 2 vs boston.

North Yorker
09-19-2010, 08:00 AM
Cecil might end up being the most reliable. 9-2 vs al east this year. Just came off his last 6 g which included 2 vs tb, 2 vs ny, 2 vs boston.

Cecil is just so mentally tough and thats whats so great about him. If we opened a playoff series on the road I would want Cecil starting one of those games, over Morrow for example. Morrow has electric stuff but I cant figure out why he is such a different pitcher away from TO.

Hopefully that will come to him.

Twitchy
09-19-2010, 09:15 AM
Cecil is just so mentally tough and thats whats so great about him. If we opened a playoff series on the road I would want Cecil starting one of those games, over Morrow for example. Morrow has electric stuff but I cant figure out why he is such a different pitcher away from TO.

Hopefully that will come to him.

I hate when people try to argue that someone is or isn't mentally tough. You have to be mentally tough just to pitch in the majors. More often then not, how you do on the road or at home has to do with your opponents.

Morrow didn't change his arm angle till June, so there's no point in looking at his April/May stats because he was a completely different pitcher. So if you look at his road stats from June on, here's what happened:

Gem against Colorado.
Solid game vs Cleveland.
He got owned against the Yanks.
Solid vs Baltimore.
Owned again against the Yanks (notice a pattern?)
Poor game vs Oakland <-- This was the start after his near no hitter, throwing 137 pitches, and having 9 days of rest. Kind of understandable he wasn't at his best here.
Owned again against the Yanks.

So he was actually pretty good on the road - it's just that he struggled against the Yankees. Not really that surprising considering the Yanks have an amazing offense. And a short porch in right field, which a LH hitter can take advantage of against a RH pitcher.

Next year everybody's going to be "surprised" or "Impressed" when Morrow does well on the road. But they shouldn't be, because he's already doing well on the road. He's just gotta be more careful against the Yanks.

wamco
09-19-2010, 11:34 AM
I think some are more mentially tough than others though. I see a big difference between brett favre playing one of the best games of his life immediately after his father's passing and AJ Burnett/Jeff Weaver types.

North Yorker
09-19-2010, 12:43 PM
Twitchy, Cecil was drafted as a Closer, and you can see that when he finds his way out of tough situations. He doesn't get intimidated against the beasts of the AL East.

You and I both know that Morrow's stuff is wayy to good to lay an egg multiple times vs the Yanks. It has to be in his head. The Yanks have his number, but they shouldnt be hitting him as hard as they are with his stuff.

FlakeyFool
09-19-2010, 12:52 PM
I think Cecil is the most underrated pitcher we have. Hes a stud

JimBob
09-30-2010, 09:39 AM
Morrow has better raw stuff for sure, today and tomorrow. Sure DD is 22 years old, but Morrow is only 26. Neither are old men.

However, to be a good major league starter you need more than just good stuff.

T.O. Fan
09-30-2010, 11:03 AM
Not even close.