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RaysFan
09-15-2010, 09:24 PM
Is this really the player he is now that he is finally off steroids? Or will he eventually bounce back to normal form next year?

Yanks All Day
09-15-2010, 09:28 PM
He has been hurt on and off all year, yet he is still 3rd in the Majors in RBI. The 2 injuries were the groin and calf, which are 2 nagging injuries. He still has a few years of 30 HR, 100 RBI, .290 average left in him. No worries.

Rylinkus
09-15-2010, 09:29 PM
He's 35 years old :eyebrow:

MetsLegacy
09-15-2010, 09:31 PM
He still managed to put up 20+ home runs and could reach 110+ RBI's on the year. He's not having the same HR production but for an aging third baseman it seems natural that he wouldn't be hitting 30+ every year(Not saying he won't again) into his late 30's. He could still have 500+ RBI's following this season.

PC
09-15-2010, 09:33 PM
My first inclination would say it's age related. I'm a Met fan and don't at all follow the Yankees and like the first poster said, it could be the injuries but again, he is 35

Burkey3472
09-15-2010, 09:43 PM
Age and injuries are the factors for his decline in production this season, not steroids.

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2010, 09:45 PM
what drop in production? he has 23 homers and 107 rbis while missing a month and a half

hoggin88
09-15-2010, 09:52 PM
what drop in production? he has 23 homers and 107 rbis while missing a month and a half

A line of .270/.337/.492 is a significant drop in production for Arod.

stupidmop
09-15-2010, 10:07 PM
I'm shocked that a guy who juiced in his prime is not putting up as good number in the twilight of his career. Get congress on this asap. Where the **** is Big Mac!?

Pinstripe pride
09-15-2010, 10:20 PM
A line of .270/.337/.492 is a significant drop in production for Arod.

does any of that really matter though if he's still driving in runs?

Russollini
09-15-2010, 10:24 PM
I am so tired of the "Roid Rage" in all these posts. He has a bad hip, groin and calf. If you want to argue that the injuries are roid related, I think that might make sense, but he was the same on and off the roids and really has not shown a non injury related decline.

oak2455
09-15-2010, 10:37 PM
Is this really the player he is now that he is finally off steroids? Or will he eventually bounce back to normal form next year?

there are Rays fans:laugh:

RocketPower2010
09-15-2010, 10:44 PM
Who cares, if his production drops again next year we'll sign some other slugger to bat 4th/5th and drop him down to 7th/8th where his production will be appropriate. That's the luxury of being the Yankees.

As far as whether or not it's due to roids, I havn't nearly done enough research to reach a solid a conclusion as some of the posters before me apparently have, so I can't really say. And I could care less when the debate comes to whether or not he deserves to go to Cooperstown. I only care about his production during his tenure with the Yanks.

Bronzbomba
09-15-2010, 11:10 PM
I'll take AROD, kay?

Mell413
09-15-2010, 11:17 PM
He's 35 so a dropoff like this is expected. Injuries have not helped either. Fortunately for the Yankees it probably won't affect them much since they will just sign someone to replace him when Arod is no longer productive.

Twins Fan 7
09-15-2010, 11:27 PM
A combination of age, injuries, and the fact that he is an ex-steroid user.

VenezuelanMet
09-15-2010, 11:48 PM
He's 35 so, unless he's Barry Bonds he'll decline.

Iceman05
09-15-2010, 11:55 PM
No doubt his ability to stay healthy has. less games = less at bats = lower #s. If you look at his OPS, both 08 and 09 is pretty much inline. However, he played only 138 games in 08 and 124 in 09. Of course in 07 was the highest OPS of his career, which he claims he was not juicing during that time.

:bs:

snspacer31
09-16-2010, 12:15 AM
Does anyone think Randy Johnson roided

Driven
09-16-2010, 12:19 AM
It's just one season... he'll be fine.

Pujolsfan91
09-16-2010, 12:21 AM
He's been pretty decent for a guy his age. I wouldn't complain about a .270 average 23 homers and 107 RBI's. Sure he gets payed a lot more than he should at this rate.

jmtapia
09-16-2010, 02:47 AM
id have to wait and see how his next 2-3 season go. Cant really judge on one sub-par season but you can definitely see how the roids gave him that extra boost in the HR department. You also have to take age into consideration at this point.

Public Enemy #1
09-16-2010, 07:36 AM
Nah, he is getting older and has been injured for part of the year. Don't get me wrong, I hate the guy and would love to say he is really a bad player without his juice but it wouldn't be true. He has been okay and still has 100 rbi's. Home runs getting up there too, I just hope his production really decreases over the next couple of years, do not want him passing Bonds, or anybody for that matter.

obcha22
09-16-2010, 08:08 AM
He's missed over 20 games. So if you factor in "normal" he sill would have 115 and 30+. Days of 40+ may be gone, may not be. But age, if anything is slowing him down one way or another.
In theory, you could say that the absence of "vitamins" would make his recuperative power weaker and make him more prone to small injuries lingering and or becoming big injuries.
I think he's clean. But the fact that he, is could be making his age related injuries more serious and recovery time longer.
So in essence, it is is some way a combination.

J-Loco
09-16-2010, 08:27 AM
A line of .270/.337/.492 is a significant drop in production for Arod.

He has been injured on and off all year. It is hard to have a great year by your standards when he is hurt.

ShinobiNYC
09-16-2010, 09:11 AM
He is a DH waiting to happen(not really for fielding, mainly for health)...I give him 2-3 more years at a good 130 OPS+ with 25-30 HRs and 100-120 RBIs(assuming he is healthy). But clearly his best is in his past, same for Jetes btw.

Jeffy25
09-16-2010, 09:28 AM
Is this really the player he is now that he is finally off steroids? Or will he eventually bounce back to normal form next year?

He's 35, I wouldn't expect him to perform like he did 5-10 years ago.

Pretty standard for most players to decline after their peaks.

mlh1981
09-16-2010, 09:39 AM
He's been playing Major League Baseball for what, 17 years?

Most of that time, he never missed games.

He's still good, but wearing down. That's a ton of wear/tear.

natelpete
09-16-2010, 04:40 PM
steroids

Gigantes4Life
09-16-2010, 04:44 PM
It's probably a combination of the age, the injuries, and yes, the steroids probably are having an effect (either from using, or the lack of using in recent years).

Gunzito22
09-16-2010, 04:55 PM
haters unite!!!! Using Steroids from 2001-2003 have caused him to have an off year in 2010!!!! He must have still had 'residual steroids' in his blood from 2004-2009 when he won 2 MVP awards and carried his team through the playoffs on their way to a ring!!!1

For the rest of you, yeah this is a factor mainly of his health. In some part I blame him (he has looked fairly uncomfortable at the plate, age maybe?) where I have seen him hit line drives on pitches this season that he used to ROCKET in 2008.

But all in all it is too soon (with $210M left on that abortion of a contract, at least) to write him off as a product of steroids. Ironically, it is nowhere near too soon to write Bautista's season off as a product of enhancement....

baseballguy247
09-16-2010, 05:19 PM
what drop in production? he has 23 homers and 107 rbis while missing a month and a half

amen brother

xabial
09-16-2010, 06:10 PM
Hes 35 and he has $209M left on his contract. You can only shudder.

hoggin88
09-16-2010, 06:51 PM
does any of that really matter though if he's still driving in runs?

Well considering the Yanks are a half game out of the division lead, I would say it makes a big difference. If he were hitting like he is capable of doing, the Yankees would be scoring even more runs and would probably be in the lead for the division.

RBI's do not show how good a player has been. It just means people are getting on base in front of him, and getting into scoring position often.

t327
09-17-2010, 12:02 AM
Well considering the Yanks are a half game out of the division lead, I would say it makes a big difference. If he were hitting like he is capable of doing, the Yankees would be scoring even more runs and would probably be in the lead for the division.

RBI's do not show how good a player has been. It just means people are getting on base in front of him, and getting into scoring position often.

Jesus, I was waiting all thread for some one to say this.

Gunzito22
09-17-2010, 08:56 AM
Well considering the Yanks are a half game out of the division lead, I would say it makes a big difference. If he were hitting like he is capable of doing, the Yankees would be scoring even more runs and would probably be in the lead for the division.

RBI's do not show how good a player has been. It just means people are getting on base in front of him, and getting into scoring position often.

as ridic as this arguement usually is, in this case its the truth.

If A-Rod was of the 2005-2007 variety, he would not have struck out against TB on THREE GODDAM PITCHES on Wed night, and would have taken one of those meatballs yard... the would have possibly won and would be sitting 1/2 ahead instead of 1/2 game behind this morning.

bagwell368
09-17-2010, 09:37 AM
I have avoided this thread so far due to the silliness of the concept.

The man is aging, the man has played a ton of games (300 games from 40th all time), and 3B is starting to wear him down, as it has so many others. I would sign Beltre, move AROD to DH, and make Posada a sub ASAP for 2011.

If you look at him as a 3B, he is two good (not great years) from challenging/passing Schmidt as the best ever - he's already beaten out Brett and Mathews.

If you look at him as a SS, he's already #2 all time with only the unsurpassable Wagner in front of him.

I hate the Skanks, I'm not even sure I like AROD, but the mans work even in a questionable era makes him an all time great. Go get some film, he was a skinny kid in Seattle and he was still hitting 40+ HR's 3 years in a row.

Gunzito22
09-17-2010, 09:54 AM
I have avoided this thread so far due to the silliness of the concept.

The man is aging, the man has played a ton of games (300 games from 40th all time), and 3B is starting to wear him down, as it has so many others. I would sign Beltre, move AROD to DH, and make Posada a sub ASAP for 2011.

If you look at him as a 3B, he is two good (not great years) from challenging/passing Schmidt as the best ever - he's already beaten out Brett and Mathews.

If you look at him as a SS, he's already #2 all time with only the unsurpassable Wagner in front of him.

I hate the Skanks, I'm not even sure I like AROD, but the mans work even in a questionable era makes him an all time great. Go get some film, he was a skinny kid in Seattle and he was still hitting 40+ HR's 3 years in a row.

thank you.... your indiscrimitate and non-biased opinion shows you are a man of honor, and you will undoubtedly be rewarded at the pearly gates when you are greeted there by Mariano Rivera...

ppl forget he was great (not good, GREAT) for years before and after the Scarlet Letter seasons. Along with players like Andy Pettitte and *GASP* David Ortiz...

misterd
09-17-2010, 11:11 AM
There's an argument to be made whether the statement "he's finally off steroids" is correct.

Obviously, there is a chance (as with all players) that he's using some other PED. But more specifically, he was "caught" using in 2003. He claims that he stopped using when testing started in '04. While we have no real reason to dispute this, we also have no reason to believe him either. But the point is we really don't know if he'd been using PEDs until recently, which makes it impossible for us to pinpoint this decline to their use (or lack of).

Fred
09-17-2010, 11:21 AM
steroid related?

I say douche-bag-related

oak2455
09-17-2010, 10:29 PM
2 HR's tonight and the 2nd to win, but hes crap see you in October:clap::clap::clap:

oak2455
09-17-2010, 10:34 PM
put him in the starting rotation:rolleyes:

YoungStuna
09-18-2010, 12:46 AM
Well, you can't go from 53 HR to 29 HR... Just sayin. LOL

oak2455
09-18-2010, 01:03 AM
Well, you can't go from 53 HR to 29 HR... Just sayin. LOL

Listen first off you wrong, second his numbers goes as follows

HR-54 156-rbis
HR-35 103 rbis but played in 20 less games
HR-30 100 missed 38 games
this year 25 and 107 122 games played though.......he will go down with the lead in most stats of all time Roids or not and I'm sorry you have to pretty damn good one way or the other:D IMO

Ch0ZSeN1
09-18-2010, 01:13 AM
He is coming off a torn labrum in his hip... Do you know how painful that is? If a pitcher tears his labrum in his shoulder he is out for the year. Its hard to swing and train both before and after that surgery.

giants73756
09-18-2010, 01:29 AM
Who cares if it's steroid related?

Yanks7000
09-18-2010, 01:32 AM
Well, you can't go from 53 HR to 29 HR... Just sayin. LOL
Well if that's the case, you can't go from 33 HR to 10 HR like David Wright did...Just sayin. LOL

RangersMets
09-18-2010, 02:00 AM
Well if that's the case, you can't go from 33 HR to 10 HR like David Wright did...Just sayin. LOL

And then back up to mid 20's...

Bronzbomba
09-18-2010, 02:47 AM
Arod is prolly gonna hit 30 HR's this year just like last season so his production is nearly the same...

fanofclendennon
09-18-2010, 09:49 AM
I am so tired of the "Roid Rage" in all these posts. He has a bad hip, groin and calf. If you want to argue that the injuries are roid related, I think that might make sense, but he was the same on and off the roids and really has not shown a non injury related decline.

Being that neither you, me, nor anyone not close to him has any idea exactly when he was "on and off" the roids, there is no basis for this comment.

fanofclendennon
09-18-2010, 09:51 AM
haters unite!!!! Using Steroids from 2001-2003 have caused him to have an off year in 2010!!!! He must have still had 'residual steroids' in his blood from 2004-2009 when he won 2 MVP awards and carried his team through the playoffs on their way to a ring!!!1

For the rest of you, yeah this is a factor mainly of his health. In some part I blame him (he has looked fairly uncomfortable at the plate, age maybe?) where I have seen him hit line drives on pitches this season that he used to ROCKET in 2008.

But all in all it is too soon (with $210M left on that abortion of a contract, at least) to write him off as a product of steroids. Ironically, it is nowhere near too soon to write Bautista's season off as a product of enhancement....

And you know exactly when Arod used and didn't use because?

fanofclendennon
09-18-2010, 09:57 AM
Well considering the Yanks are a half game out of the division lead, I would say it makes a big difference. If he were hitting like he is capable of doing, the Yankees would be scoring even more runs and would probably be in the lead for the division.

RBI's do not show how good a player has been. It just means people are getting on base in front of him, and getting into scoring position often.

It also means that when people are getting on base ahead of him, he is knocking them in.

BA with RISP doesnt cover this dynamic very well. We need to hear more about total of RBI oppportunities (Total number of runners on second and third) for a given batter season wide versus actual RBIs for the given batter.

Anyone know where I can find such a simple stat without a complicated mathematical formula attached to it?

hoggin88
09-18-2010, 10:20 AM
It also means that when people are getting on base ahead of him, he is knocking them in.

BA with RISP doesnt cover this dynamic very well. We need to hear more about total of RBI oppportunities (Total number of runners on second and third) for a given batter season wide versus actual RBIs for the given batter.

Anyone know where I can find such a simple stat without a complicated mathematical formula attached to it?

The reason BA with RISP doesn't cover it well is because BA is a very limited stat in itself. It wouldn't be fair to judge a player, particularly a power hitter by that. On a side note: it is very possible to have a lot of RBI while putting up mediocre numbers with RISP. Not the case here, but not that uncommon. That's one of the flaws of evaluating players based on RBI totals.

Back to ARod, there is no need to start counting runners on 2nd and 3rd, that's making it more complicated then it is. Because even if you try to account for that you still have problems. The runner on 2nd is still harder to drive in than the one on 3rd, the runner on 3rd can be much easier to drive in depending on how many outs there are, a weak fielder's choice dribbler might be counted the same as a triple provided they both drive the runner in from third, etc.

If you want to see how he has hit with RISP, the best and easiest way is to look at his numbers with RISP. He has hit well with RISP, hitting .299/.360/.540. Not quite as good as his career numbers, but still very good. The problem is, with the bases empty he is hitting .247/.312/.449. Considering over his career he has been virtual equal in comparison in those two areas, I'd say this qualifies as a pretty big drop off. Imagine what he would be doing for the Yanks if he was actually hitting with the bases empty too.

That should show what you are looking for, and there definitely aren't any complicated formulas.

I75
09-18-2010, 10:26 AM
Injury or not Roid's and PED's help recovery time, yada yada yada and so on.

Second. When you have guys on the Yanks batting in front of you. You will drive in runs with that line up getting on base. Try putting those numbers up every year on the Pirates, Indians, Royals.

oak2455
09-18-2010, 11:11 AM
Injury or not Roid's and PED's help recovery time, yada yada yada and so on.

Second. When you have guys on the Yanks batting in front of you. You will drive in runs with that line up getting on base. Try putting those numbers up every year on the Pirates, Indians, Royals.

he did on the Rangers go away....

oak2455
09-18-2010, 11:12 AM
And then back up to mid 20's...

Arod is here:clap:
































































David Wright is here:o

FNM BOY
09-18-2010, 12:15 PM
^LOL...haters gona hate regardless..2 smackers in the cut lastnight!!!

ATL#22
09-18-2010, 12:50 PM
Yes.
End of thread.

ATL#22
09-18-2010, 12:50 PM
Who cares if it's steroid related?

What is she doing down there?

NYKNYGNYY
09-18-2010, 01:28 PM
maybe, who knows hes gettin up there but that homerun last night was CLUTCH!!!!!!!!

TheGiantYankee
09-18-2010, 02:20 PM
2 HRs last night

He must be back on steroids.

He is having a good year after being injured and in and out of the lineup, I don't know why this thread was made

sexicano31
09-18-2010, 05:42 PM
Yup because its obviously not the age and injuries

Bronzbomba
09-18-2010, 10:43 PM
Statistics wise, arod has been one of the most clutch players in all of baseball in the past 2 seasons.

12to85
09-18-2010, 11:31 PM
the better more athletic A Rod Plays in the NFL

12to85
09-18-2010, 11:32 PM
they should just aloud roids in baseball. Anything to give it some more entertainment. its so boring unless its live

oak2455
09-19-2010, 12:02 AM
they should just aloud roids in baseball. Anything to give it some more entertainment. its so boring unless its live

and in the NFL there is no roids:rolleyes:

PrettyBoyJ
09-19-2010, 01:06 AM
he's been banged up all season, If he didnt miss so many games I'm prety sure he'd be sitting on 30-33 HR by now

I75
09-19-2010, 10:02 AM
he did on the Rangers go away....

Yeah on roids that's my point. Rangers were garbage with A-Rod and he put those #'s up, on the Yankees off roids in that line up your numbers should increase if you have a natural ability like A-Rod. You think A-Rod off roids on the Pirates would still be driving in more runs? HR's, hits, ave, yes. RBI, R and RISP would dip.

I75
09-19-2010, 10:06 AM
they should just aloud roids in baseball. Anything to give it some more entertainment. its so boring unless its live

I know that's what every girl I know says.

streetsmarts13
09-19-2010, 10:30 AM
He's 35 so a dropoff like this is expected. Injuries have not helped either. Fortunately for the Yankees it probably won't affect them much since they will just sign someone to replace him when Arod is no longer productive.

Bonds number got better in his mid 30 while using steroids. Now that arod is off of them he is dropping off, when using steroids for a peroid of time and then getting off of them can cause the body to break down also. So yes steroids does play a part on one of the biggest cheaters in baseball decline in numbers.

oak2455
09-19-2010, 11:04 AM
wow this thread is funny because wait Arod is the only guy who has done roids please wait no one else just the guys that were named:facepalm: Like Canseco said like 70% are doing something, but lets just talk about one guy too funny......Btw if hes off roids hes still pretty lethal in any lineup:eyebrow: just my opinion...

Manatoo
09-19-2010, 11:08 AM
Wait are you trying to tell me that a 35 year old baseball player numbers are declining?

Why that's just shocking.

colinskik
09-19-2010, 11:09 AM
Yeah on roids that's my point. Rangers were garbage with A-Rod and he put those #'s up, on the Yankees off roids in that line up your numbers should increase if you have a natural ability like A-Rod. You think A-Rod off roids on the Pirates would still be driving in more runs? HR's, hits, ave, yes. RBI, R and RISP would dip.
It was pretty clear actually that you were saying his numbers are only due to the fact that he's on the Yankees, which although it certainly helps isn't the only reason for his performance.

For those who have been watching him play in the last couple of games it looks like he can finish the season with similar numbers to last year. He's zoned in right now. Watch out for him the playoffs.

hugepatsfan
09-19-2010, 12:58 PM
This is what happens when players are not on steroids - they decline as the reach their mid 30s. This is just a foreign idea for us because of Bonds and them boys roiding up in their late 30s.

baseballguy247
09-21-2010, 06:33 PM
Arod looked fine in Baltimore rocking 2 hr

I75
09-21-2010, 07:12 PM
Yeah my great aunt Erma knocked 2 in Baltimore.

nickster16301
09-21-2010, 07:22 PM
notice he gets hurt alot now that he cant take illegal substances

Rylinkus
09-21-2010, 07:30 PM
notice he gets hurt alot now that he cant take illegal substances

He's also 35 years old. Worth noting, the guy he plays next to is also older, and also having a pretty lousy year. And the DH is a former super star who is a shell of his former self. It's amazing what hitting your mid 30s will do to a guy.

GoldDustTwin
09-21-2010, 09:42 PM
He's also 35 years old. Worth noting, the guy he plays next to is also older, and also having a pretty lousy year. And the DH is a former super star who is a shell of his former self. It's amazing what hitting your mid 30s will do to a guy.

According to GQ it allows you to date women between the ages of 22 and 45 - amazing indeed.

Madtown22
09-21-2010, 10:39 PM
one of the biggest D-Bags in sports all time. I love it when he struggles.

Sandman
09-21-2010, 11:11 PM
People keep blaming his numbers on injuries, but increased injuries could be the result of no more steroid use.

I75
09-22-2010, 09:58 AM
one of the biggest D-Bags in sports all time. I love it when he struggles.

Thread closed.

hoggin88
09-22-2010, 10:54 AM
one of the biggest D-Bags in sports all time. I love it when he struggles.

Not even close. Come on now, he's not that bad.

ImThatDude
09-22-2010, 10:57 AM
He's been injured, missed a whole lot of games and is still having a better year than just about every 3B in the majors....I'll take it :)

ShinobiNYC
09-22-2010, 01:24 PM
one of the biggest D-Bags in sports all time. I love it when he struggles.

Since when we started talking about Ty Cobb? :confused:

I75
09-22-2010, 03:29 PM
Since when we started talking about Ty Cobb? :confused:

A-Hole,yes. Douche, no. Never saw Cobb kiss himself in a mirror for a semi-gay magazine called Details.

Steelers>NFL
09-22-2010, 03:41 PM
He's been injured, missed a whole lot of games and is still having a better year than just about every 3B in the majors....I'll take it :)
Not worth the $30m he makes just for the fair stats he has.
WAAAYYYYY overpaid janitor...

FNM BOY
09-22-2010, 03:55 PM
Not even close. Come on now, he's not that bad.

When u are good @ what you do....there is always these type of people around :mad:....LOL:p:D

Rivera
09-22-2010, 03:59 PM
when u use steroids ur body breaks down when ur off of them and more injuries can be a result

f that hes 35 BS....when ortiz had his rough yr last yr and the beginin of this yr every 1 was screamin he was off of the juice

so now that arod has had a drop in production ima start screamin steroids f this ish!!!!

yes i am a biased yankee hater bein a die hard red sox fan....call me biased right now.....i usually try to take my red sox hat off but i cant with this discussion F THAT arod is an arrogant bum who bangs 50 yr old pop singers every1 has been through already who tries to trump the red sox when they were on the verge of winnin the 07 world series by announcing a contract extension during the FREAKING GAME ***bleep*** AROD!!!!

theslick1
09-22-2010, 04:49 PM
If A-Rod's production had not fallen off given his age, wouldn't people be assuming steroid use?

Rylinkus
09-22-2010, 05:04 PM
If A-Rod's production had not fallen off given his age, wouldn't people be assuming steroid use?

No, then we'd know it was Jeter's leadership abilities making everyone around him better.

x23cbru24x
09-22-2010, 05:43 PM
arod down in production??!?!?!?!? thats redic hell have 30 hr 130 rbi .270 avgt...u guys r nuts

FNM BOY
10-06-2010, 10:40 PM
^and the critics have been silenced...the end!!

Robbw241
10-06-2010, 10:41 PM
Hang him, hes obviously back on roids.