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spreadeagle
09-15-2010, 01:16 AM
Fact or Fiction presents both sides of key issues the Orlando Magic will face in the upcoming season.

Vince Carterís expiring contract is the Magicís best opportunity to upgrade the wing position with a high-quality player (go-to guy) for the future.

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Fact
The off-season is nearly over for the Orlando Magic and the rest of the NBA, but that didnít mean there wasnít any drama along the way. After the Magic lost to the Boston Celtics in the 2010 NBA Eastern Conference Finals, the rumor mill began to heat up concerning Vince CarterĎs future with the team after his lackluster performance in the series.

In late June, word broke out that Chris Paul was open to being traded as long as he got a chance to win and soon after, there was a report that Orlando offered Carter in a trade alongside Jameer Nelson for the all-world point guard. And when Carmelo Anthony indicated his desire to leave the Denver Nuggets nearly a month ago, the Magic were initially listed as a team of interest. Even though Carterís name wasnít explicitly brought up in any trade scenarios, it was assumed that he could be dealt since he would be replaced by Anthony at one of the wing positions.

Why all the chatter about Carter?

Because Carter has, more or less, an expiring contract. Itís important to note that Carterís contract in 2012 is guaranteed for $4 million if heís waived before June 30, 2011. Even though itís not a purely expiring contract, thereís no question that any team acquiring Carter in a deal would save a chunk of money.

Itís clear that Carter has value and could be a trade chip for Orlando at the deadline, if general manager Otis Smith wants to explore the possibility.

Fiction
But is Carter, alone, enough to land a high-quality player?

It doesnít appear so. Carter is 33 and slowly declining, as the numbers show. It would be highly unlikely that the Magic would be able to swap Carter for a better player in a one-on-one trade, because the financial savings wouldnít be enough to merit that type of move for a team.

The only way, it appears, for Orlando to upgrade at the wing position ó if they choose to take that route ó is to package Carter in a deal involving other players and/or draft picks. Yes, there was the rumored Carter-for-Arenas trade a while back with the Washington Wizards but thatís not an upgrade for the Magic.

Itíll be interesting to see what happens with Carter. After this season, Orlando could waive Carter but that would do nothing more than push the ledger closer to the luxury tax threshold. In other words, the Magic would be unable to utilize the money being freed up with Carterís release because theyíre over the salary cap.

It would behoove Smith not to trade Carter at some point in time, but itís a long year and anything can happen.
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dhopisthename
09-15-2010, 01:30 AM
There are so many other expiring and trade exceptions that carter's deal does not seem that appealing

spreadeagle
09-15-2010, 01:41 AM
He could be a very valuable packaged with Nelson. thats a nice combo if you already have a good team

shep33
09-15-2010, 02:04 AM
If Orlando can't get Melo, they should go after Iggy. Yeah he has a big contract, but Carter is getting old, and they don't have a defensive stopper with Barnes gone now. Iggy can get them similar if not better offense than Carter, more athleticism, and better defence.

spreadeagle
09-15-2010, 02:07 AM
If Orlando can't get Melo, they should go after Iggy. Yeah he has a big contract, but Carter is getting old, and they don't have a defensive stopper with Barnes gone now. Iggy can get them similar if not better offense than Carter, more athleticism, and better defence.

good idea,seems like philly been tryin to get rid of Iggy forever

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-15-2010, 08:29 AM
If Orlando can't get Melo, they should go after Iggy. Yeah he has a big contract, but Carter is getting old, and they don't have a defensive stopper with Barnes gone now. Iggy can get them similar if not better offense than Carter, more athleticism, and better defence.

Or Arenas lol

If he's looking better after 2011 season

JordansBulls
09-15-2010, 11:16 AM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

llemon
09-15-2010, 11:38 AM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

'Vince' and 'win it all' are phrases at odds with each other.

sep11ie
09-15-2010, 11:42 AM
Cuz Vince is a proven winner and all...

Forbo
09-15-2010, 12:55 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

Vince is lazy and doesnt try in the playoffs, everytime he is in a playoff game he does something stupid and tries not to win. He wouldnt help the Bulls, maybe by selling out the arena but not winning.

llemon
09-15-2010, 12:58 PM
Vince is lazy and doesnt try in the playoffs, everytime he is in a playoff game he does something stupid and tries not to win. He wouldnt help the Bulls, maybe by selling out the arena but not winning.

Vince doesn't sell tickets anymore

29$JerZ
09-15-2010, 01:02 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

Well that would be impossible since those 4 players you mention make up the majority of your CAP so unless VC gets waived he can't be a Bull.

beasted86
09-15-2010, 01:06 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

You realize this is Vince Carter, right? :confused: :o

But seriously, Vince makes $17 MEEELLION (like The Count would say it). Are you going to trade the whole rest of your team for him?

Pierzynski4Prez
09-15-2010, 01:20 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

come on now JB

Rego247
09-15-2010, 01:36 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

disagree. u guys dont need carter, u'll be fine without him.

IndyRealist
09-15-2010, 01:49 PM
If Orlando can't get Melo, they should go after Iggy. Yeah he has a big contract, but Carter is getting old, and they don't have a defensive stopper with Barnes gone now. Iggy can get them similar if not better offense than Carter, more athleticism, and better defence.

Probably the best deal that makes sense for both sides, assuming Igoudala and Turner can't work together on the wing. They might require Orlando to take on the albatross of a contract Elton Brand has, too. Iggy + Brand for Carter + either Gortat or Pietrus would work salary-wise.

pebloemer
09-15-2010, 02:18 PM
Carter's expiring could be a piece in a deal, but hardly enough on its own to upgrade the position.

a) Off-season of 2010 is over. We just came off the year when expirings held their highest value ever.
b) Enough teams have TPE's collected, which are more valuable to teams looking to save money than an expiring. TPE can offer immediate relief added with future flexibility.
c) Carter isn't the only large expiring on the market.

Khalifa21
09-15-2010, 02:32 PM
There are a lot more attractive expirings out there, but it could be a significant trade chip come deadline.

Carter is gonna want one more payday so I can see him having a nice contract year.

llemon
09-15-2010, 02:36 PM
There are a lot more attractive expirings out there, but it could be a significant trade chip come deadline.

Carter is gonna want one more payday so I can see him having a nice contract year.

His last contract year, he rolled over and died in the playoffs.

macc
09-15-2010, 03:13 PM
Vince is lazy and doesnt try in the playoffs, everytime he is in a playoff game he does something stupid and tries not to win. He wouldnt help the Bulls, maybe by selling out the arena but not winning.



Hmmm interesting, because what I've seen (and stats back it up) that Vince has elevated his level of play in the playoffs.

04-05 reg season stats 24.5 ppg 4.2 assists 5.2 rpg
04-05 playoffs 26.8 ppg 5.8 assists 8.5 rebounds

Reg season
05-06 24.2 ppg 4.3 apg 5.8 rpg
Playoffs
05-06 29.2 ppg 5.3 apg 7 rpg

Reg season
06-07 25.2 ppg 4.8 apg 6 rpg
Playoffs 22.3 ppg 5.3 apg 6.8 rpg


So what are you talking about? Up until this last year (at 33 yrs old). Vince has always excelled in the playoffs. So what are you basing him "being lazy in the playoffs" on? Esp when you're talking about his career as a whole and not just this past year.

macc
09-15-2010, 03:16 PM
There are a lot more attractive expirings out there, but it could be a significant trade chip come deadline.

Carter is gonna want one more payday so I can see him having a nice contract year.



That's what I'm hoping. I've been saying one of our biggest pickups this off season will be a revitalized Vince Carter (hopefully). It is a contract year so he's going to have to showcase what value he has left.

jackdawson
09-15-2010, 03:45 PM
If the Bulls can get Vince in a deal where they keep a starting lineup of Rose, Deng, Boozer and Noah, then we can win it all this year.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

SteveNash
09-15-2010, 05:37 PM
Vince for Rashard straight up...

Oh wait...

Maybe Vince for Arenas???