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Mile High Champ
09-14-2010, 09:37 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. It is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

I have skipped the number 1 poll as Howard was the obvious choice. I did the same thing with Lebron James at SF. I am trying to save some time as there is still the top 10 best players in the league list after the centers. Thanks for understanding.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Andrew Bogut
4) Brook Lopez
5) Andrew Bynum
6) Marc Gasol
7) Joakim Noah
8)
9)
10)


2009 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Shaquille O'Neal
5) Andrea Bargnani
6) Andris Biedrins
7) Emeka Okafor
8) Nene
9) Brook Lopez
10) Andrew Bynum

2008 Off-Season C Rankings:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Andrew Bynum
5) Chris Kaman
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Marcus Camby
9) Jermaine O'neal
10) Andrew Bogut

Mile High Champ
09-14-2010, 09:39 AM
I still like horford here, I had him over Noah..

Ace33Bone
09-14-2010, 09:43 AM
I have to go with JEfferson again I had him a lot further up the list. definitely think he should at least be here

pebloemer
09-14-2010, 09:57 AM
I got Horford again.

Jefferson next.

Shame those two are playing out of position. Better players than others on the board, just undersized IMO.

td0tsfinest
09-14-2010, 10:04 AM
I went with Horford before. I'll do it again.

Stress
09-14-2010, 10:07 AM
this really reminds me of nba fan night voting....
horford should be ahead of noah, like i voted yesterday.

lavilevi23
09-14-2010, 10:09 AM
This is a fcked up list.
Gasol and Noah should be lower than Horford,Jefferson and Kaman.

bbcmillionaire
09-14-2010, 10:18 AM
This is a fcked up list.
Gasol and Noah should be lower than Horford,Jefferson and Kaman.

Don't feed the heat fans lol or they might ask you mad?

BigEasy1323
09-14-2010, 10:18 AM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=noahjo01&y1=2010&p2=horfoal01&y2=2010&p3=kamanch01&y3=2010&p4=jeffeal01&y4=2010

It has to be Horford here. Those claiming Jefferson and Kaman should be higher should look at the advanced stats. Noah and Horford are #1 and #2 in almost every category (between the 4)

Avenged
09-14-2010, 10:36 AM
Horford belongs around 5-7, no way he should have stooped so low.

todu82
09-14-2010, 10:37 AM
Chris Kaman

Stress
09-14-2010, 10:42 AM
recount.

Ebbs
09-14-2010, 10:57 AM
Noah won the last poll lol...

Khalifa21
09-14-2010, 11:02 AM
Horford and Jefferson should be above Noah...

lavilevi23
09-14-2010, 11:08 AM
Don't feed the heat fans lol or they might ask you mad?
:confused:

Giaps
09-14-2010, 11:17 AM
The Moz is not on the list?

Stress
09-14-2010, 11:27 AM
:confused:
dont worry. he's mad.

bigsams50
09-14-2010, 11:47 AM
Horford

YoungOne
09-14-2010, 12:04 PM
lol noah at 7, I dont vote anymore

still1ballin
09-14-2010, 12:32 PM
Noah over Horford?? :facepalm:

D-Will4Prez
09-14-2010, 12:50 PM
Horford and Jefferson should be above Noah...

This.

Damn homers.

Gators123
09-14-2010, 12:52 PM
I Demand a Revote!!

lavilevi23
09-14-2010, 12:58 PM
^^ it won't change the homer picks.

D-Will4Prez
09-14-2010, 12:58 PM
Lol, so why was Al Jefferson in the top 3 2 years in a row, but as soon as he moves to Utah he's not even #8 according to most people? This amazes me.

beasted86
09-14-2010, 01:07 PM
Which one is worse.... Bargnani & Biedrins 5th & 6th in the 2009 voting, or Lopez, Gasol, & Noah in this year's ranking?

Rivera
09-14-2010, 01:17 PM
this list is an ABSOLUTE joke....brooke at #4??? noah at #7??? jefferson horford and perk still on the board??? uve really gots to be F'N kidding me!!!!!!!!!

im calling for a re count for the center position!!! I think we COMPLELETY screwed this one up cause this aint right seriously

Rivera
09-14-2010, 01:19 PM
this really reminds me of nba fan night voting....
horford should be ahead of noah, like i voted yesterday.


This is a fcked up list.
Gasol and Noah should be lower than Horford,Jefferson and Kaman.


Horford belongs around 5-7, no way he should have stooped so low.


recount.


Noah won the last poll lol...


Horford and Jefferson should be above Noah...


lol noah at 7, I dont vote anymore


Noah over Horford?? :facepalm:


This.

Damn homers.


I Demand a Revote!!

im just sayin!!! random people r comin in and votin just random its like WTF we got this position ALL WRONG!!!

bctgg27
09-14-2010, 01:24 PM
This is a fcked up list.
Gasol and Noah should be lower than Horford,Jefferson and Kaman.

I definitely agree.

drama1386
09-14-2010, 01:34 PM
I though horford should've been over noah, so I went with him again.

Niro
09-14-2010, 01:45 PM
al jefferson for me

tcav701
09-14-2010, 01:50 PM
I Demand a Revote!!

Ive offered a solution on numerous poll threads but no one responds.

Mile High Champ
09-14-2010, 03:06 PM
I definitely agree.

This is the opinion of PSD, not just your own. Sometimes not everyone agrees with your opinion. Honestly, many of the guys after the top 3 are pretty interchangable to be honest.

DaBUU
09-14-2010, 03:36 PM
Hatred, jealousy, also uneducated and ignorant basketball analysis are all spewing forth from this thread

REALLYYYYY?
09-14-2010, 03:50 PM
Joakim noah ftw!!!

TheTakeOver24
09-14-2010, 03:58 PM
whoa, this list definitely needs to be redone... how did Jefferson and Horford fall so low? Joakin Noah what the...???????

Kashmir13579
09-14-2010, 04:29 PM
Horford and Jefferson should be above Noah...

nahhhhhh. noah should be ahead of gasol.

BigEasy1323
09-14-2010, 07:01 PM
Al Horford
PER TS% eFG% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg WS
19.4 .594 .552 16.4 10.4 1.1 2.4 11.2 17.6 121 105 10.9

Al Jefferson
PER TS% eFG% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg WS
19.0 .524 .498 16.0 10.0 1.3 3.0 9.9 24.3 106 108 4.6

IversonIsKrazy
09-14-2010, 07:07 PM
To be honest. I think this year these polls have been horrible. They've usually been respectable, but this year it's really bad. Went with Big Al for this one, and have since #6. He is going to be a beast this year, especially with a 3point shooting C - Okur, and an all-star PG (D-Will) with 3 point shooters (CJ).

ChiSox219
09-14-2010, 07:10 PM
Horford is better than Noah.

The same people voting for Jefferson might be the ones who thought Horford didn't deserve to be an all-star last year.

northsider
09-14-2010, 07:48 PM
God some of you are ****ing straight cry babies every ****ing poll since the 1st you guys have said who you picked and where Noah shouldn't be.

WHY DO YOU GUYS CARE SO ****ING MUCH. Who the **** cares they are a internet poll which no one EVER agrees upon. Every thread its the same posters saying "OMG I am a little girl no way Noah is there blah blah blah let me get the sand out of my vagina for a second".

If Noah played for another team I guarantee none of you would be singing this tune cause you wouldn't care nearly as much.

Gators123
09-14-2010, 07:50 PM
God some of you are ****ing straight cry babies every ****ing poll since the 1st you guys have said who you picked and where Noah shouldn't be.

WHY DO YOU GUYS CARE SO ****ING MUCH. Who the **** cares they are a internet poll which no one EVER agrees upon. Every thread its the same posters saying "OMG I am a little girl no way Noah is there blah blah blah let me get the sand out of my vagina for a second".

If Noah played for another team I guarantee none of you would be singing this tune cause you wouldn't care nearly as much.

The pot calling the kettle black

save the knicks
09-14-2010, 07:58 PM
nene needs votes

Bulls_fan90
09-14-2010, 08:06 PM
This is the opinion of PSD, not just your own. Sometimes not everyone agrees with your opinion. Honestly, many of the guys after the top 3 are pretty interchangable to be honest.

Well said.

Sadds The Gr8
09-14-2010, 08:08 PM
im just sayin!!! random people r comin in and votin just random its like WTF we got this position ALL WRONG!!!

agreed. Noah at 7 is ridiculous...

Switch
09-14-2010, 08:32 PM
Al Horford

DoJoTheSlasher
09-14-2010, 10:02 PM
How can you have Shaq on the poll but not Haywood?

Haywood >> Shaq

northsider
09-14-2010, 10:05 PM
The pot calling the kettle black

No but, good try big guy keep hating.

Ovratd1up
09-14-2010, 10:27 PM
Noah was carried by homers.

69centers
09-14-2010, 10:34 PM
Horford belongs around 5-7, no way he should have stooped so low.

Agreed. Poll has gotten out of hand. No way are Marc Gasol and Noah ahead of Perkins, Horford, or Jefferson.

*Silver&Black*
09-14-2010, 10:37 PM
Noah was carried by homers.

It was the battle of the 100 to 1 ratio of Bulls fans vs Hawks fans, with some people who knew what they were talking about being on Horford's side too.

These lists don't mean anything anyways, since more than half of the people here are only 15-16 year olds.

Ovratd1up
09-14-2010, 10:44 PM
It was the battle of the 100 to 1 ratio of Bulls fans vs Hawks fans, with some people who knew what they were talking about being on Horford's side too.

These lists don't mean anything anyways, since more than half of the people here are only 15-16 year olds.

I'm a Bulls fan. I voted for Horford. Because I feel he is the better player. Don't stereotype.

*Silver&Black*
09-14-2010, 10:52 PM
I'm a Bulls fan. I voted for Horford. Because I feel he is the better player. Don't stereotype.

Don't stereotype? I bet 95% of the Noah votes came from Bulls fans. Thats enough to make my OPINION. Sorry that your the smarter, rare case.;)

masTOR_shake1
09-14-2010, 10:57 PM
bargnani! i can't belive how little respect he is getting here.

rever
09-14-2010, 11:13 PM
perkins gets no respect...really behind gasol and noah thats sad

beasted86
09-14-2010, 11:24 PM
bargnani! i can't belive how little respect he is getting here.

Bargnani a top 10 Center?

These polls are pointless if everyone is just going to get the homer votes. This entire Center ranking is screwed.

Brooklyn Mets
09-14-2010, 11:36 PM
Horford

sargon21
09-15-2010, 12:06 AM
i dont think the list is that ****ed up, i just think after the first couple it's really hard to rank these guys...

Chronz
09-15-2010, 01:39 AM
Al Horford
PER TS% eFG% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg WS
19.4 .594 .552 16.4 10.4 1.1 2.4 11.2 17.6 121 105 10.9

Al Jefferson
PER TS% eFG% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg WS
19.0 .524 .498 16.0 10.0 1.3 3.0 9.9 24.3 106 108 4.6

That was an injured Al Jeff

Kashmir13579
09-15-2010, 01:45 AM
nobodies voting for kaman solely on the fact that he looks like the sloth

Antipod
09-15-2010, 03:22 AM
Horford/Kaman/AL

Illinirob83
09-15-2010, 03:37 AM
I'm sorry, but everyone is in an uproar about Noah but what about Yao? The guy has no feet right now and didn't play a minute last season. Isn't this poll based on right now who are the best centers in basketball? Why is Yao #2?

I think this would be the common sense top 10 right now....(doesn't mean it is right)

1. Howard
2. Bogut
3. Brook Lopez
4. Horford (him being at #8 on this poll is absurd.)
5. Kaman (him falling so low is also absurd)
6. Yao (I'll give you him here, but he has to drop out of the top 5 if we are talking right now.)
7. Bynum
8. Noah (why is there such an uproar about him in this poll? He was ranked 7th, I see him no worse than 8th currently being as objective as possible. Stop accusing some of being homers when others are clearly being haters.)
9. Marc Gasol
10. Al Jefferson
other that deserve mention for consideration in top 10.....

Nene
Perkins
Oden ( if he could ever stay healthy he would be a no doubter top 10, so if we have Yao at 2, this guy deserves mention somewhere, maybe not top 10 but consideration).

NBA-GMaster
09-15-2010, 07:43 AM
Horford, Jefferson and Kaman for 8,9&10..

-Kobe24-TJ19-
09-15-2010, 08:24 AM
Horford takes this one

Law25
09-15-2010, 09:08 AM
1. Howard
2. Yao ( Lets be honest if not for injuries he still would be number one)
3. Bynum ( with out injuries ther would be no question)
4. Lopez (only becuase has almost the same numbers as Bynum on an weak team)
5. Kaman / Bogut ( they have basicaly the same game except one played in
the East so its a toss up.)
6. Bogut/ Kaman
7. Horford/ Noah ( if you switched them ther would be no difference in team
sucess)
8. Noah/ Horford
9. Mark Gasol ( needs more games to pove his stuff)
10.Perkins ( becuase on any given night he can take everone listed four and
down out of ther game. Top three defensive center in the league.)

I think this is the best you could do. So posters dont think Bynum is an homer pick hear me out.

1. Weve all seen what he does when healthy.
2. He's an 15 and 10 guy as 3rd or 4th option.
3. He's the defensive stopper on an back to back championship team.
4. His offensive game is good not just scoring off players pentration and
and alleyoops. He has great length, touch, and good not great footwork.

No other center oustide of Howard or Yao in my mind can be dominate on both sides of the floor better than Bynum. Lopez is close though.

Law25
09-15-2010, 09:10 AM
Not crying about the way the list stand its fine as is. I just saw others posting so i felt id give my unbiased opinion. Also i didnt list Jeffeson as an center because i wouldnt list Ducan, KG, or Boozer as one either. I gave Noah and Horford the edge as centers bcause they're relied on to be ther teams last line of defence. Jefferson is more of an scoreing PF and not an man the paint kind of player. Ducan and KG at this point in ther careers need back up to man the paint (KG more than Ducan), so i consider them fowards.

save the knicks
09-15-2010, 09:27 AM
This is a fcked up list.
Gasol and Noah should be lower than Horford,Jefferson and Kaman.

agreed

I think Noah only gets votes because of his hair