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Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 09:10 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. It is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

I have skipped the number 1 poll as Howard was the obvious choice. I did the same thing with Lebron James at SF. I am trying to save some time as there is still the top 10 best players in the league list after the centers. Thanks for understanding.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Andrew Bogut
4) Brook Lopez
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2009 Off-Season C Rankings

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Shaquille O'Neal
5) Andrea Bargnani
6) Andris Biedrins
7) Emeka Okafor
8) Nene
9) Brook Lopez
10) Andrew Bynum

2008 Off-Season C Rankings:

1) Dwight Howard
2) Yao Ming
3) Al Jefferson
4) Andrew Bynum
5) Chris Kaman
6) Tyson Chandler
7) Shaquille O'Neal
8) Marcus Camby
9) Jermaine O'neal
10) Andrew Bogut

Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 09:13 AM
I eliminated a few guys from voting. I see no reason to keep guys like Biedrins, Haywood, Shaq, Camby, Okafor etc on the poll when nobody is voting for them.

Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 09:13 AM
Marc Gasol should of been number 4 so he is my obvious choice here..

Khalifa21
09-10-2010, 09:17 AM
Marc Gasol quite comfortably.

Steelers23_06
09-10-2010, 09:19 AM
bynum it would have been him on the last vote but injuries pulled him here

Testaverde16
09-10-2010, 09:26 AM
gotta be gasol.... why no love for horford?

Iggz53
09-10-2010, 09:27 AM
I said Gasol but I'm not sure

mynameismo
09-10-2010, 09:29 AM
Andrew Bynum

sixers247
09-10-2010, 09:33 AM
Bynum
Gasol
Horford

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 09:35 AM
shoud be gasol but my biased purple and gold comrades will make the votation a joke.

Antipod
09-10-2010, 09:35 AM
It is getting harder and harder ... and seeing Lopez at nr 4+ the ones that will follow.... Damn, NBA doesn`t have great centers anymore :facepalm:

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 09:39 AM
It is getting harder and harder ... and seeing Lopez at nr 4+ the ones that will follow.... Damn, NBA doesn`t have great centers anymore :facepalm:

I disagree, Yao, Dwight, Lopez, Bogut, Marc, Bynum are all GREAT centers, te thing is the league has fluctuated its focus to WIngs, in teh old times this dudes would be the central piece of their franchises, woudl be feed shot s and woudl average 25 + a game, all of them.

xbrackattackx
09-10-2010, 09:49 AM
Marc is winning. That means Hellcrooner has multiple accounts in here voting! ;)

Ace33Bone
09-10-2010, 09:50 AM
Al Jefferson is going to have a moster year this year so i have to chose him

Law25
09-10-2010, 09:56 AM
Marc is winning. That means Hellcrooner has multiple accounts in here voting! ;)

LOL ^ This

Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 09:59 AM
Glad to see Gasol leading early on..

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 10:02 AM
I honestly can't believe Brook Lopez went ahead of Bynum or Gasol. But whatever. Bynum here, for the reasons I stated in the prior thread. This will be interesting watching people debate this when both Gasol and Bynum are deserving here

Ebbs
09-10-2010, 10:03 AM
I had to go bynum when healthy I think he could be higher. He is of a rare breed of true center that can both score and play D.

Slimsim
09-10-2010, 10:06 AM
noah

Avenged
09-10-2010, 10:14 AM
I'm going with Bynum. He's a major reason the Lakers won the title this past season, and is a big body down low who alters plenty of shots + has great footwork and post moves. Him being on a stacked team decreases his stat line, but if this guy was #1 option, he would definitely be putting up 20+ a game, 9-10 rebounds.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 10:18 AM
Bynum 15 ppg in 10, 6 attempts wich means 1,42 points per attempt = 14,2 points per 10 shots.

Gasol 14,4 ppg in 9,4 attempts wich means 1,55 ppoints per attempt = 15,5 points per 10 shots.

Facvtor in Marc has been used as FOURTH option in a WORSE attack sistem whule bynum has been used as third option on a better offense generally but given both PAU and KOBE missed some geames last season he got to be SECOND option and even FIRST i aroudn 15 games last season.

Factor that when you vote.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 10:18 AM
I'm going with Bynum. He's a major reason the Lakers won the title this past season, and is a big body down low who alters plenty of shots + has great footwork and post moves. Him being on a stacked team decreases his stat line, but if this guy was #1 option, he would definitely be putting up 20+ a game, 9-10 rebounds.

I think if Bynum were the focal point of an offense, he would be a 22/12 player who dominates on defense for sure. His durability is seriously his only question

td0tsfinest
09-10-2010, 10:19 AM
Should be a good race between Bynum and Gasol. I went with Marc.

GMEN4EVER
09-10-2010, 10:19 AM
Epic fail having Lopez over Bynum or Gasol. At this spot it's a toss up, I don't know how you can pick between Bynum and Gasol. Bynum has more potential sure, but his injury history throws everything into question. Tough call here. Still think Lopez at 4 is terrible though.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 10:20 AM
I expect no less than 15 posts by Crooner in this thread

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 10:21 AM
I think if Bynum were the focal point of an offense, he would be a 22/12 player who dominates on defense for sure. His durability is seriously his only question

wich can said for marc too.


but marc woudl maybe score less , like 19 ppg and give like 2 or 3more ASSISTS given he is more unselfish.

Vidball
09-10-2010, 10:22 AM
Bynum...he's better on both end of the court and would put up ridiculous numbers in MEM. There is NO CHANCE MEM wouldn't trade Gasol for Drew if the salaries matched. Bynum has been the teams defensive anchor even when injured. When healthy he's a top 3 center. When injured he's still a top 5-6 center because of his D and his length. I don't think there is one GM in the NBA who would take Marc over Drew.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 10:22 AM
I expect no less than 15 posts by Crooner in this thread

nah i put the main thing up there, if necesarry i will go to winshares wich favour god players instead of chujkers like per does

Vidball
09-10-2010, 10:22 AM
I expect no less than 15 posts by Crooner in this thread

Haha :clap:

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 10:23 AM
Bynum...he's better on both end of the court and would put up ridiculous numbers in MEM. There is NO CHANCE MEM wouldn't trade Gasol for Drew if the salaries matched. Bynum has been the teams defensive anchor even when injured. When healthy he's a top 3 center. When injured he's still a top 5-6 center because of his D and his length. I don't think there is one GM in the NBA who would take Marc over Drew.

Marc in the triangle woudl be AWESOME, not to mention you cant get any better tat chemistry than having a frontcourt of BROTHERS.

believe me Mitch would pull the trigger undoybtedly. specially given bnums HEALTH issues.

The Miami Cheat
09-10-2010, 10:25 AM
i gotta say gasol...he shud've been #4 instead of lopez IMO

Raidaz4Life
09-10-2010, 10:25 AM
This has to be Bynum... when healthy he has shown to be able to put up 18-12 and thats on a stacked Lakers squad... if he was on NJ he'd be putting up 24-13

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 10:26 AM
wich can said for marc too.


but marc woudl maybe score less , like 19 ppg and give like 2 or 3more ASSISTS given he is more unselfish.

eh, maybe. I don't think Marc would have the same effect defensively however. But he is a better passer than Bynum, I can agree on that

Niro
09-10-2010, 10:28 AM
marc gasol it is

LakersIn5
09-10-2010, 10:29 AM
Bynum 15 ppg in 10, 6 attempts wich means 1,42 points per attempt = 14,2 points per 10 shots.

Gasol 14,4 ppg in 9,4 attempts wich means 1,55 ppoints per attempt = 15,5 points per 10 shots.

Facvtor in Marc has been used as FOURTH option in a WORSE attack sistem whule bynum has been used as third option on a better offense generally but given both PAU and KOBE missed some geames last season he got to be SECOND option and even FIRST i aroudn 15 games last season.

Factor that when you vote.

also factor in that marc gasol plays 6 more minutes than bynum. and marc gasol is the 4th option on a team with only 4 options unlike the bynum which is the 3rd option on a team with 5 options which means more players fight for the ball.

xbrackattackx
09-10-2010, 10:32 AM
Dude Mile High since the forums are so dead you should do number 6 today too, you guys have to protect me from actually working!

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 10:34 AM
also factor in that marc gasol plays 6 more minutes than bynum. and marc gasol is the 4th option on a team with only 4 options unlike the bynum which is the 3rd option on a team with 5 options which means more players fight for the ball.

sorry dude but bynum got more attempts per game than marc so your statement is not right.

Vidball
09-10-2010, 10:34 AM
Marc in the triangle woudl be AWESOME, not to mention you cant get any better tat chemistry than having a frontcourt of BROTHERS.

believe me Mitch would pull the trigger undoybtedly. specially given bnums HEALTH issues.

Bynum in the triangle has already helped produce a couple titles. Even if Phil were Marc and Pau's biological father, Mitch wouldn't be crazy enough to trade a 22 year old defensive monster for Marc.

Sorry crooner, the truth must be told (plus I need to get your post count up in this thread) :D

Avenged
09-10-2010, 10:35 AM
I think if Bynum were the focal point of an offense, he would be a 22/12 player who dominates on defense for sure. His durability is seriously his only question

I said 9-10 simply because Bynum hasn't been rebounding the ball well the past 2 seasons but I guess it's due to the fact that his knees are weak so it definitely affects his lift. He's averaged around 8 rebounds a game the past 2 seasons, but before those 2 seasons he put up 10..

The only knock against Bynum are injuries.. Last season he played 65 games, but Gasol also played 69 so not much of a difference. Bynum averaged more points, blocks at a higher %, rebounds at a higher % and has a higher PER. When you factor all of that in into helping a team winning a championship, my vote goes to him.

Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 11:04 AM
Dude Mile High since the forums are so dead you should do number 6 today too, you guys have to protect me from actually working!

Haha I can try but this poll is to close to call. It is more likely that we skip ahead to 7 if this poll becomes a two horse race from here on out.

bbcmillionaire
09-10-2010, 11:07 AM
Marc in the triangle woudl be AWESOME, not to mention you cant get any better tat chemistry than having a frontcourt of BROTHERS.

believe me Mitch would pull the trigger undoybtedly. specially given bnums HEALTH issues.

I'll take Noah at 6-7

tcav701
09-10-2010, 11:08 AM
Gasol barely over Bynum.

It was close for me and I hate using durability as a judge of overall talent but when it was this close I had to.

They are both better than Lopez BTW.

97NYer
09-10-2010, 11:17 AM
Chris Kaman is an all star, he should have more than 3 votes.

Geargo Wallace
09-10-2010, 11:33 AM
funny thing is that Bynum would give all of these guys the most problems. That length and size of him makes him the #2 in my mind. I know he's a Laker ppl but c'mon Yao hasn't played a game in forever.

Ebbs
09-10-2010, 11:33 AM
I cant believe Noah, Bargs, and Perkins have even got a vote lol.

Chronz
09-10-2010, 11:33 AM
With the way both played last year you cant go wrong here. Ill take the defensive monster however fragile he may be.

tcav701
09-10-2010, 11:37 AM
I cant believe Noah, Bargs, and Perkins have even got a vote lol.

Noah was getting votes at #3.

You know how it goes round here......

Chronz
09-10-2010, 11:41 AM
Bynum 15 ppg in 10, 6 attempts wich means 1,42 points per attempt = 14,2 points per 10 shots.

Gasol 14,4 ppg in 9,4 attempts wich means 1,55 ppoints per attempt = 15,5 points per 10 shots.

Facvtor in Marc has been used as FOURTH option in a WORSE attack sistem whule bynum has been used as third option on a better offense generally but given both PAU and KOBE missed some geames last season he got to be SECOND option and even FIRST i aroudn 15 games last season.

Factor that when you vote.

Doesnt Gasol being the 4th option means less attention, Bynum being the 3rd means more. You dont typically see people show pride in the fact that their player is being asked to do less.

And you really need to stop with the attempts thing, give Gasol Bynums workload and his efficiency suffers. Bynum at FULL health and no ego problems has put up better #'s in the same role that Gasol has filled.

Gasol had a usage% of 17%, last year Bynum 20.8. The last time Bynum had to focus on taking whatever scraps Kobe and Pau left behind he had a usage% of 17.5. In other words alil more than what was being asked of Marc. In that role Bynum had a 127 Off.RTG which is 6 PTS higher than Gasol. Dont know if that Bynum will ever return given he was a rebounding machine that year but in this state its a good comparison.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 11:42 AM
With the way both played last year you cant go wrong here. Ill take the defensive monster however fragile he may be.

pretty much my reasoning as well

Big Quett
09-10-2010, 11:47 AM
Doesnt Gasol being the 4th option means less attention, Bynum being the 3rd means more. You dont typically see people show pride in the fact that their player is being asked to do less.

And you really need to stop with the attempts thing, give Gasol Bynums workload and his efficiency suffers. Bynum at FULL health and no ego problems has put up better #'s in the same role that Gasol has filled.

Gasol had a usage% of 17%, last year Bynum 20.8. The last time Bynum had to focus on taking whatever scraps Kobe and Pau left behind he had a usage% of 17.5. In other words alil more than what was being asked of Marc. In that role Bynum had a 127 Off.RTG which is 6 PTS higher than Gasol. Dont know if that Bynum will ever return given he was a rebounding machine that year but in this state its a good comparison.

But when is that? Doing it for 30 games doesn't count. He has never carried the load for a full season. So how can anybody say he can when he hasn't thus far?

bigsams50
09-10-2010, 11:49 AM
Bynum

arkanian215
09-10-2010, 11:50 AM
Did Lakers fans all go on vacation or something?

GMEN4EVER
09-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Chris Kaman is an all star, he should have more than 3 votes.

That's an incredibly flawed argument. Making the all star game is as much about popularity as it is being the best player. And Kaman is far from the best. He's turn over prone, just shot a terrible percentage for a center (49%), he's slow, can't jump much, and doesn't have long arms. He's only considered good because centers in general have regressed offensively and the man puts up a ton of shots.

still1ballin
09-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Bynum

Teeboy1487
09-10-2010, 12:13 PM
Bynum and Marc Gasol's numbers are fairly close so it's a toss up for me. I think Bynum is better than him by a very small percentage. Just think, we(lakers) could have had them both. We should have traded Sun Yue instead of M. Gasol. Oh well, I'm just fine with Pau who is better than both of them.

Antbanks21
09-10-2010, 12:22 PM
a while back there was an article on espn on the best young centers in the NBA.
Bynum was up there with dwight howard... ;)
A healthy Bynum at 100% can't go any lower than #3

drama1386
09-10-2010, 12:26 PM
man, this is a tough one for me. I voted for bynum but gasol is not very far behind at all. they seem to be pretty equal, but I think bynum is a better defensive center when healthy.

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2010, 12:27 PM
again no love for kaman...I should stop voting for him since it dont make a difference...

Kashmir13579
09-10-2010, 12:45 PM
i dislike (most) bulls fans as much as anyone on here; but noah deserves this spot.

MagicBucsSox
09-10-2010, 12:46 PM
wait? since when is bynum better than horford &kaman? in fact anyone on the list?
he's better than noah n thats it

Kashmir13579
09-10-2010, 01:18 PM
wait? since when is bynum better than horford &kaman? in fact anyone on the list?
he's better than noah n thats it

noah is the real deal

Mile High Champ
09-10-2010, 02:22 PM
Though I believe Gasol and Bynum are right on par with one another, I do believe that Lakers fan will put it in Bynums favour for the win due to some homer votes.

mikantsass
09-10-2010, 02:31 PM
I went Bynum. But Gasol is deserving as well

Rivera
09-10-2010, 02:36 PM
damn lakers homers!!!!!!!

bynum is a legit player but gasol>bynum

vote marc vote marc the #'s r in his favor! vote Marc!

Avenged
09-10-2010, 02:51 PM
damn lakers homers!!!!!!!

bynum is a legit player but gasol>bynum

vote marc vote marc the #'s r in his favor! vote Marc!

Not really.. They're pretty dead even and both played about the same amount of games (Marc played 4 more) but also added in 5 more minutes..

Bynum holds a higher PER (slightly, but higher), rebounding percentage is higher and blocks as well.

Bynum is a better defender and is one of the biggest reasons L.A won a championship this past season which did it for me.

LALakersKC
09-10-2010, 02:52 PM
Andrew Bynum.

Raps18-19 Champ
09-10-2010, 02:55 PM
How is Al Jefferson not winning?

VinceCarter
09-10-2010, 03:01 PM
Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Marc Gasol 2009-10 25 69 2469 19.3 .617 .581 9.8 20.5 15.1 10.2 1.4 3.4 14.2 16.9 121 108 5.9 2.5 8.4 0.164
Al Horford 2009-10 23 81 2845 19.4 .594 .552 9.6 23.3 16.4 10.4 1.1 2.4 11.2 17.6 121 105 6.9 3.9 10.9 0.183
Joakim Noah 2009-10 24 64 1925 17.9 .557 .504 12.9 27.6 20.4 10.8 0.9 4.0 16.0 17.1 112 101 2.7 3.5 6.2 0.154

Horford is looking pretty good here.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 03:04 PM
Not really.. They're pretty dead even and both played about the same amount of games (Marc played 4 more) but also added in 5 more minutes..

Bynum holds a higher PER (slightly, but higher), rebounding percentage is higher and blocks as well.

Bynum is a better defender and is one of the biggest reasons L.A won a championship this past season which did it for me.

and marc has better fg p˝ercentage, win shares etc.

NYYCowboys
09-10-2010, 03:06 PM
I vote other....Timofey Mozgov lol

Avenged
09-10-2010, 03:06 PM
and marc has better fg p˝ercentage, win shares etc.

Yep, like I said it's pretty even. One player does something slightly more, and the other does another thing slightly more.

The defining factor has to be defensively.

JRisdabest
09-10-2010, 03:08 PM
kman top 3

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Yep, like I said it's pretty even. One player does something slightly more, and the other does another thing slightly more.

The defining factor has to be defensively.

Wich Gasol is good at tooo.

Dont let the fact that he is caucasian fool you, he is a good defender.

Avenged
09-10-2010, 03:14 PM
Wich Gasol is good at tooo.

Dont let the fact that he is caucasian fool you, he is a good defender.

You said it best, "too".

I mean what do you want us to do? #5 A.) Bynum, B.) Gasol?

It's that close.

VinceCarter
09-10-2010, 03:16 PM
I didn't realize Bynum played in 60+ games last year so I added him and I can't pick between Bynum, Horford, and Gasol. :mad:

Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
Andrew Bynum 2009-10 22 65 1977 20.2 .608 .570 10.1 20.4 15.3 5.8 0.9 3.6 12.5 20.8 117 102 4.4 3.4 7.8 0.188
Marc Gasol 2009-10 25 69 2469 19.3 .617 .581 9.8 20.5 15.1 10.2 1.4 3.4 14.2 16.9 121 108 5.9 2.5 8.4 0.164
Al Horford 2009-10 23 81 2845 19.4 .594 .552 9.6 23.3 16.4 10.4 1.1 2.4 11.2 17.6 121 105 6.9 3.9 10.9 0.183
Joakim Noah 2009-10 24 64 1925 17.9 .557 .504 12.9 27.6 20.4 10.8 0.9 4.0 16.0 17.1 112 101 2.7 3.5 6.2 0.154

Sadds The Gr8
09-10-2010, 03:17 PM
the lakers homers are putting this in bynum's favour

Raidaz4Life
09-10-2010, 03:18 PM
Honestly I'm gonna hate voting for Horford or Jefferson since I view both as PF's...

Vidball
09-10-2010, 03:19 PM
Bynum would put up 20 a game in Memphis...he would be a #1/#2 option there and he would improve their D as well.

Hawkeye15
09-10-2010, 03:21 PM
Bynum would put up 20 a game in Memphis...he would be a #1/#2 option there and he would improve their D as well.

we all know big men need to be fed the ball to score. I am not sure how often that would happen with Memphis's roster.

Hellcrooner
09-10-2010, 03:21 PM
Bynum would put up 20 a game in Memphis...he would be a #1/#2 option there and he would improve their D as well.

Muah ha ha ha ha haha

GOod luck trying to get away the ball from the three Stooges

td0tsfinest
09-10-2010, 03:25 PM
You said it best, "too".

I mean what do you want us to do? #5 A.) Bynum, B.) Gasol?

It's that close.

why can't Gasol be A. and Bynum be B. ? ;)

Avenged
09-10-2010, 03:29 PM
why can't Gasol be A. and Bynum be B. ? ;)

:laugh2: well, it's pretty even and Bynum has a ring, deciding factor right there.

In all seriousness though, it's not as if 40 Laker fans have voted for Bynum.. If you look at the poll, theres plenty of other fans outside of the Lakers who make up the votes for him, i'd say more than half..

Don't really understand where all this "Laker homers" blurts are coming from.

Bruno
09-10-2010, 04:22 PM
If healthy? Gotta be Bynomite. He can be as good a defensive anchor as anybody, and he actually has legit post moves.

homestarunner93
09-10-2010, 04:38 PM
Bynum over Gasol? What a failure...

IversonIsKrazy
09-10-2010, 06:29 PM
U can make an argument for Al Jefferson, Marc Gasol, and Andrew Bynum. Al was playing on a bad team his whole career which is why it's tough to rate him, but I think he'll be even better this year with D-Will as his PG. So I went with him for #5

Bruno
09-10-2010, 06:37 PM
Bynum over Gasol? What a failure...

Why is that? Bynum had a higher PER and a higher WS/48. And he did it on one leg.

aussie
09-10-2010, 10:35 PM
marc gasol

homestarunner93
09-10-2010, 11:22 PM
Why is that? Bynum had a higher PER and a higher WS/48. And he did it on one leg.

And guess what? Marc Gasol had more total win shares, because Bynum is hurt all the damn time and can't stay on the court.

Bruno
09-11-2010, 04:07 PM
And guess what? Marc Gasol had more total win shares, because Bynum is hurt all the damn time and can't stay on the court.

Marc Gasol played in 69 games, Bynum played in 65 games. Their numbers are pretty much equal, and they played in just about the same number of regular season games.

DeZonia
09-11-2010, 04:49 PM
I thought we are voting forgetting injuries...

BECAUSE if we aren't then Yao Ming shouldn't even be on this list, come on guys.

Even when Bynum is injured he is still a defensive monster. Way more so then Marc.