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knicksfan42
09-06-2010, 05:40 PM
http://www.nba.com/reportcard/summer/2010/

Rankings:

A's

Lakers-A

Heat-A

Thunder-A



B+'s

Bulls-B+

Mavs-B+

Bucks-B+

Spurs-B+

Wizards-B+


B's

Celtics-B

Rockets-B

Nets-B

Knicks-B

76ers-B

Blazers-B

Jazz-B


B-'s

Pacers- B-

Grizzles- B-

Suns- B-



C+'s

Hawks-C+


C's

Bobcats-C

Nuggets-C

Clippers-C

T'Wolves-C

Hornets-C

Magic-C


C-'s

Pistons- C-

Kings- C-



D+'s

Warriors-D+


D's

Cavaliers-D

Raptors-D

xbrackattackx
09-06-2010, 05:53 PM
Sounds about right

netsgiantsyanks
09-06-2010, 06:01 PM
looks about right.

vr67
09-06-2010, 06:02 PM
Why'd the Lakers get an A?
Otherwise looks about right.

LTBaByyy
09-06-2010, 06:05 PM
Wizards B+?????? They have no bench at all except hinrich

And Lakers and Thunder A?????? WOW. They didnt add more than other teams

The Heat should be the only ones with an A in my opinion

Ovratd1up
09-06-2010, 06:29 PM
Tastes about right

Khalifa21
09-06-2010, 06:35 PM
I'm not quite sure how the Thunder got an A...

I thought the grade was based on improvements made to the team over the summer in the form of additions. I know Durant improved a lot, as did Westbrook, but they only added a rookie center and a 3-point specialist.

Not quite sure how they get an A for that... Other than that, everything looks good.

xxcubs22xx
09-06-2010, 06:37 PM
The Bulls should be an A. Just saying. Ask David Aldridge for example, i bet he would say A.

lol. I probably just made my case bad. But seriously. B+? Pfffft.

Our front office executed to the best of their ability, in my opinion. The "South beach talent show" is exactly that; our front office did what they could to get one of those guys, but all of our acquisitions suddenly mean possible 3-4 seed for the Bulls, and more. Our team is sound, and healthy. In the article or whathaveyou our frontcourt got a B+. No way. That would put last years Frontcourt at least B- maybe lower, because we upgraded on what was already the best rebounding team in the league last year. Omer Asik, Boozer, Kurt Thomas, and even the rest of this years acquisitions for us only provide far more rebounding and interior fundamentals then last year. The Brad Miller eyebrow fake was nice while it lasted, but we are onto bigger and better things.

And i agree, IDK about the thunder getting an A either. Other then that, its good for the msot part

Kakaroach
09-06-2010, 06:56 PM
The Jazz's B sounds about right. We let everyone walk but replaced em quite nicely so eh.

Daze9900
09-06-2010, 06:57 PM
If the heat get an A that means the Cavs should get an F they lost out on their own player and not adding any pieces.

Korman12
09-06-2010, 07:04 PM
The Bulls should be an A. Just saying. Ask David Aldridge for example, i bet he would say A.

lol. I probably just made my case bad. But seriously. B+? Pfffft.

Our front office executed to the best of their ability, in my opinion. The "South beach talent show" is exactly that; our front office did what they could to get one of those guys, but all of our acquisitions suddenly mean possible 3-4 seed for the Bulls, and more. Our team is sound, and healthy. In the article or whathaveyou our frontcourt got a B+. No way. That would put last years Frontcourt at least B- maybe lower, because we upgraded on what was already the best rebounding team in the league last year. Omer Asik, Boozer, Kurt Thomas, and even the rest of this years acquisitions for us only provide far more rebounding and interior fundamentals then last year. The Brad Miller eyebrow fake was nice while it lasted, but we are onto bigger and better things.

And i agree, IDK about the thunder getting an A either. Other then that, its good for the msot part

Not saying Chicago didn't do well in the offseason, but going into their summer their best hopes weren't Carlos Boozer. For that reason they don't get an A. It's not like a B+ isn't a good grade.

The rest of the list I mostly agree with.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 07:16 PM
:laugh2:

And everyone was saying the Thunder were being overrated because they didn't do anything this offseason.

Love this.

heathonater
09-06-2010, 07:19 PM
i would probably bump okc and la down fro A's and give them B grades. both teams made some additions, but nothing that will change the identity of their teas. miami should get an A+ though for getting the next big 3 in south beach. they were also able to get some veterans on the cheap.

BlazingJ
09-06-2010, 07:27 PM
warriors got david lee, maybe put them higher. and again, overrating the thunder :facepalm: they barely did anything! I might give them a B

LTBaByyy
09-06-2010, 07:40 PM
Im glad everyone agrees on the thunder, first they say they are the 4th best team in the NBA then an A on the summer????? Did Lebron or Bosh go to Thunder?? lol

They got the 8th seed last year, and added no stars or all stars but a rookie and a 3pt shooter

I never seen a team so overrated in my life IMO

I honestly think they will get the 4th seed in the west, then we will be saying told ya so

PurpleJesus
09-06-2010, 07:41 PM
warriors got david lee, maybe put them higher. and again, overrating the thunder :facepalm: they barely did anything! I might give them a B

i think they were ranked a high cause they got the NBA's best young player locked up, but yeah, they didnt really improve themselves.

unwantedplayer
09-06-2010, 07:46 PM
i think the celtics deserve a b+ - a-

jackdawson
09-06-2010, 07:49 PM
Honestly Heat should be the only one with A. I mean Lakers and OKC definately improved but Miami has done something that never happened in nba history.

PurpleJesus
09-06-2010, 07:53 PM
Honestly Heat should be the only one with A. I mean Lakers and OKC definately improved but Miami's has done something that never happened in nba history.

Either that, or Heat should get an A+

thescore53
09-06-2010, 07:55 PM
I'm not quite sure how the Thunder got an A...

I thought the grade was based on improvements made to the team over the summer in the form of additions. I know Durant improved a lot, as did Westbrook, but they only added a rookie center and a 3-point specialist.

Not quite sure how they get an A for that... Other than that, everything looks good.

sometimes the best moves are the ones not made.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 07:56 PM
sometimes the best moves are the ones not made.

Exactly.

kjoke
09-06-2010, 08:01 PM
cavs should be an f, not a d

SouljahPhil...
09-06-2010, 08:02 PM
i think the celtics deserve a b+ - a-

I agree with this...I was hoping C's., heat and Lakers get A..

Bulls_fan90
09-06-2010, 08:05 PM
Exactly.

Explanation of Marking System

A - Superior B - Above Average C - Average D - Below Average F - Failing

Please, no way did the Thunder have a superior offseason.

Wade>You
09-06-2010, 08:11 PM
Only team that deserves an A is the Heat.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 08:16 PM
any grading system that has more than Miami earning the top grade is worthy of a :facepalm:

what Miami did so far exceeds what anyone else did that no other team deserves better than a C if Miami gets a A. Lakers add Blake and Barnes, HEAT add Lebron, Bosh, and Mike Miller and they get the same grade? Oh okay...

SouljahPhil...
09-06-2010, 08:21 PM
any grading system that has more than Miami earning the top grade is worthy of a :facepalm:

what Miami did so far exceeds what anyone else did that no other team deserves better than a C if Miami gets a A. Lakers add Blake and Barnes, HEAT add Lebron, Bosh, and Mike Miller and they get the same grade? Oh okay...

I think they give LA an A because they vastly improved their 1 weakness last year which is the bench and also they stole 2 good potential rookies with a couple of 2nd rounders..Plus What can you improve with the team..The starting 5 is set...

Baller1
09-06-2010, 08:24 PM
Explanation of Marking System

A - Superior B - Above Average C - Average D - Below Average F - Failing

Please, no way did the Thunder have a superior offseason.

What did the Thunder do wrong?

Answer that.

llemon
09-06-2010, 08:26 PM
What did the Thunder do wrong?

Answer that.

Did someone say Thunder did anything wrong?

Baller1
09-06-2010, 08:29 PM
Did someone say Thunder did anything wrong?

No, people are saying they don't deserve an A though.

So I ask, what exactly did they do wrong?

Spurred1
09-06-2010, 08:30 PM
Don't know why people are getting so worked up over these grades. Are the grades assessed by the writer comparing the teams to each other? Because that isn't the way grades are determined-grades are determined by the person/in this case-team-meeting objectives successfully. So it doesn't make much sense to compare the Lakers to the Heat, because neither one had the same objective(s) in mind-aside from improving the team.
Heat do deserve the A, because they exceeded all objectives. Nobody thought they'd get all three stars.
But the OKC shouldn't be graded down just because they didn't nab a FA. They got a promising rookie and they resigned Durant.They seem to be developing well together-why do they have to do anything?
Lakers didn't need to make significant changes because they've been pretty successful with what they've got, if the last two years are any indication.They made minor upgrades and kept the core intact.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 08:32 PM
Don't know why people are getting so worked up over these grades. Are the grades assessed by the writer comparing the teams to each other? Because that isn't the way grades are determined-grades are determined by the person/in this case-team-meeting objectives successfully. So it doesn't make much sense to compare the Lakers to the Heat, because neither one had the same objective(s) in mind-aside from improving the team.
Heat do deserve the A, because they exceeded all objectives. Nobody thought they'd get all three stars.
But the OKC shouldn't be graded down just because they didn't nab a FA. They got a promising rookie and they resigned Durant.They seem to be developing well together-why do they have to do anything?
Lakers didn't need to make significant changes because they've been pretty successful with what they've got, if the last two years are any indication.They made minor upgrades and kept the core intact.

Thank you.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 08:34 PM
No, people are saying they don't deserve an A though.

So I ask, what exactly did they do wrong?

they didn't get Lebron, Bosh, Amare, Wade, or get any other significant upgrade.

what they did wrong is not improve enough to beat LA...

Spurred1
09-06-2010, 08:37 PM
they didn't get Lebron, Bosh, Amare, Wade, or get any other significant upgrade.

what they did wrong is not improve enough to beat LA...

It isn't that simple, though. Did the Thunder ever plan to really acquire one of these players? Not every team planned to go after one of the FAs, either because of financial circumstances, or they actually don't have a need for them.

thescore53
09-06-2010, 08:49 PM
what do u guys want. thunder to make moves for the sake of making moves ? what if they overpaid amare ? would that be better.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 08:50 PM
It isn't that simple, though. Did the Thunder ever plan to really acquire one of these players? Not every team planned to go after one of the FAs, either because of financial circumstances, or they actually don't have a need for them.

it is that simple though, b/c they are going to be compared to teams that did get those guys. the fact of the matter is that they didn't do much of anything this offseason, which is a bad offseason for a team that did not get out of the first round last year...

daleja424
09-06-2010, 08:51 PM
what do u guys want. thunder to make moves for the sake of making moves ? what if they overpaid amare ? would that be better.

ya actually. If they did that they would have improved their chance to get to the second round and beyond...

Nowakm33
09-06-2010, 08:53 PM
I'm not quite sure how the Thunder got an A...

I thought the grade was based on improvements made to the team over the summer in the form of additions. I know Durant improved a lot, as did Westbrook, but they only added a rookie center and a 3-point specialist.

Not quite sure how they get an A for that... Other than that, everything looks good.

The Thunder did sign Durant to a 5 yr extension. So I think thats the main reason they got an A

llemon
09-06-2010, 09:14 PM
No, people are saying they don't deserve an A though.

So I ask, what exactly did they do wrong?

They didn't do anything wrong, and a few things right.

That shouldn't earn an 'A'.

Agent008
09-06-2010, 09:14 PM
I don't see why my squad, the Kings, got a C-. We didn't have a below average off-season. Our biggest need was in the frontcourt and we were able to trade Nocioni (our worst contract and biggest malcontent) and Hawes for Dalembert, plus get potential draft steals in Cousins and Whiteside. Our frontcourt became a strength with our off-season moves. Also, we didn't overpay any FA's and ruin are cap flexibility. I think that we improved a lot without compromising our cap situation.

tredigs
09-06-2010, 09:15 PM
Im glad everyone agrees on the thunder, first they say they are the 4th best team in the NBA then an A on the summer????? Did Lebron or Bosh go to Thunder?? lol

They got the 8th seed last year, and added no stars or all stars but a rookie and a 3pt shooter

I never seen a team so overrated in my life IMO

I honestly think they will get the 4th seed in the west, then we will be saying told ya so

The Thunder did not want Lebron, wth would they? They extended the best young superstar in the league for 5 years at slightly less than his max (allowing for flexibility), brought in some solid perimeter shooters and signed the most NBA ready defensive big in the draft. No need to bring in a new PF yet; they have Jeff Green and Serge Ibaka who they want to see continue to improve (if they feel like the entire team other than the PF position is ready for the title other than them, then they can still add a more complete piece at the trade deadline, but I do not think that's going to be necessary).

A lot of people on here act like it's some easy task for a team in Oklahoma City to just sign a marquee player through free agency, and completely fail to understand the concept of continuity and player growth. Serge Ibaka is going to beast this year defensively, I would not underestimate that man. Add to that a fantastic interior defender with length in Cole Aldrich along with the continued development of the rest of their young core, and you have yourself a team that could very possibly take out the Lakers in THIS YEARS playoffs.

This franchise is maximizing its potential brilliantly; I would give them an "A-" if I were to grade their off-season. Solid moves plus continued development of their entire core = a fairly significant improvement as a team. The Heat an A+, the Lakers a B+/A- (small, intelligent moves while maintaining continuity), and the Bulls a B+.

On a homer note, the Warriors are far better than a D+, solely for the fact that they removed their black plague of an owner and signed one of the better PF's in the game who will be supplemented by one of the top 2 NBA-ready defensive bigs in the draft.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 09:42 PM
They didn't do anything wrong, and a few things right.

That shouldn't earn an 'A'.

What happens when you get nothing wrong on a test?

Nets fan 93
09-06-2010, 09:50 PM
Wizards B+?????? They have no bench at all except hinrich

And Lakers and Thunder A?????? WOW. They didnt add more than other teams

The Heat should be the only ones with an A in my opinion

Kirk-Young-Thronton(or Howard)-Yi-Armstrong

that isnt a bead bench to me...

Spurred1
09-06-2010, 09:50 PM
it is that simple though, b/c they are going to be compared to teams that did get those guys. the fact of the matter is that they didn't do much of anything this offseason, which is a bad offseason for a team that did not get out of the first round last year...


You would have a point if the Thunder really had a need. Do they really have a need for Amare? For any of the FAs? They resigned Durant, which they really needed to do. Breaking the bank and overpaying one of the FAs in addition to resigning Durant doesn't assure the Thunder of getting past the first round or anything else.
The fact is that this is a very young team that doesn't require any major changes. What they have going right now is working. What they need is more time together. They did give the Lakers a harder time than most anticipated and there is no reason to think they won't improve.
Again, it is foolish to grade by comparing teams with one another because not all of them needed FAs or needed to make major changes.

llemon
09-06-2010, 09:51 PM
What happens when you get nothing wrong on a test?

Oh, it was a test?

So what grade do you give to a team that did many things right, as opposed to doing nothing wrong?

Baller1
09-06-2010, 09:57 PM
Oh, it was a test?

So what grade do you give to a team that did many things right, as opposed to doing nothing wrong?

You get report cards for performance on tests, so therefore the article is using the offseason in a metaphorical sense.

When you do nothing wrong on a test, you get an A. As you said, the Thunder did nothing wrong, hence the A.

topdog
09-06-2010, 10:02 PM
i would probably bump okc and la down fro A's and give them B grades. both teams made some additions, but nothing that will change the identity of their teas. miami should get an A+ though for getting the next big 3 in south beach. they were also able to get some veterans on the cheap.

Why would the Lakers change their identity? Their identity is repeat champions.

llemon
09-06-2010, 10:03 PM
You get report cards for performance on tests, so therefore the article is using the offseason in a metaphorical sense.

When you do nothing wrong on a test, you get an A. As you said, the Thunder did nothing wrong, hence the A.

Sorry disagree. If you do nothing, then you do nothing wrong.

Feel free to give OKC the 'A' you feel they deserve

Right now, I'll give them an 'I'.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Sorry disagree. If you do nothing, then you do nothing wrong.

Feel free to give OKC the 'A' you feel they deserve

Right now, I'll give them an 'I'.

For incomplete?

It seems to me like they've completed their rebuilding process brilliantly, and trying to trade for another star or going after an over-paid free agent would only jeapordize the process.

The Thunder's two weaknesses? A low-post defensive presence and three-point shooting. Hello Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook, and a more involved Serge Ibaka.

DenButsu
09-06-2010, 10:10 PM
The Nuggets don't deserve a C. They deserve a "To be determined" which will be based on however the Melo situation gets resolved. The outcome of that far outweighs anything else they did, failed to do, or could have done better this offseason.

llemon
09-06-2010, 10:12 PM
For incomplete?

It seems to me like they've completed their rebuilding process brilliantly, and trying to trade for another star or going after an over-paid free agent would only jeapordize the process.

The Thunder's two weaknesses? A low-post defensive presence and three-point shooting. Hello Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook, and a more involved Serge Ibaka.

As I said, you are free to give hem the 'A' you feel they deserve.

I'm sure you can tell by some of the other posts that I'm not the only poster that doesn't believe OKC deserves a 'A'.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 10:33 PM
As I said, you are free to give hem the 'A' you feel they deserve.

I'm sure you can tell by some of the other posts that I'm not the only poster that doesn't believe OKC deserves a 'A'.

People seem to believe the team is "overrated", which doesn't make much sense to me either.

And these are the same people that let their hate for LeBron trick them into actually believing the Heat aren't going to destroy everyone this year. So there's only a small number of posters who I take serious in this forum anyway.

DeZonia
09-06-2010, 10:35 PM
I don't know if the Thunder deserve an A, I think they deserve a B. They didn't do any wrong this off-season, but they didn't add very much.

The Heat deserve the A the most, like most people say they deserve an A+. They did add the biggest FA and the 3rd biggest, evolving their team from a low ranked playoff team to one of the Favorites out of the East.

As for the Lakers... I would give them an A also, and it isn't because I am a Laker fan. IMO they covered the biggest weaknesses, they added Blake who should fit PERFECT in the triangle offense, and Barnes who is a good defensive minded player who can finish well. They also kept Shannon Brown, Derek Fisher AND PHIL!!!! <<<<This was huge. IMO this deserves an A.

DeZonia
09-06-2010, 10:38 PM
People seem to believe the team is "overrated", which doesn't make much sense to me either.

And these are the same people that let their hate for LeBron trick them into actually believing the Heat aren't going to destroy everyone this year. So there's only a small number of posters who I take serious in this forum anyway.


LOL you really think the Heat will destroy everyone this year? They haven't even played ONE game as a team. How can you give the team the right to be called unstoppable when they haven't played ONE game, that doesn't make any sense to me.

I believe Lebron and Wade play very similar styles of play and it might hurt them more then you think. Also if you can stop Bosh they have nothing down low, and everyone who watches basketball knows that Rebounds and PIP are HUGE...

The heat have to prove them selves against Boston and Orlando. Those 2 teams can exploit the paint very hard, and it could be the Heats downfall.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 10:43 PM
LOL you really think the Heat will destroy everyone this year? They haven't even played ONE game as a team. How can you give the team the right to be called unstoppable when they haven't played ONE game, that doesn't make any sense to me.

I believe Lebron and Wade play very similar styles of play and it might hurt them more then you think. Also if you can stop Bosh they have nothing down low, and everyone who watches basketball knows that Rebounds and PIP are HUGE...

I don't understand how people believe they won't destroy everyone this season. Everyone acts as if we have Derrick Rose, Monta Ellis, Kobe Bryant, and Al Harrington (no knock on Kobe or Rose, they just take a large number of shots).

This is LeBron, the greatest passing SF we've ever seen. Wade, who's more than willing to pass the ball. And a PF who people are now starting to discredit just because he's a member of the Heat.

This team is going to be so ****ing good it's ridiculous. Two of the top three players on this planet, and people still think they're going to struggle because there won't be "enough shots to go around".

I'm not buying it.

Rego247
09-06-2010, 10:43 PM
People seem to believe the team is "overrated", which doesn't make much sense to me either.

And these are the same people that let their hate for LeBron trick them into actually believing the Heat aren't going to destroy everyone this year. So there's only a small number of posters who I take serious in this forum anyway.

there not overrated their a very good team. but i dont think they deserve an A, judging on what they did in the summer. its sounds crazy i know, but theyre already so good, how much could they improve this offseason. honestly if they didnt add aldrich or cook, i still think they'd be a 50 win team, even a top 3-4 team in the west.

xxcubs22xx
09-06-2010, 10:45 PM
LOL you really think the Heat will destroy everyone this year? They haven't even played ONE game as a team. How can you give the team the right to be called unstoppable when they haven't played ONE game, that doesn't make any sense to me.

I believe Lebron and Wade play very similar styles of play and it might hurt them more then you think. Also if you can stop Bosh they have nothing down low, and everyone who watches basketball knows that Rebounds and PIP are HUGE...

The heat have to prove them selves against Boston and Orlando. Those 2 teams can exploit the paint very hard, and it could be the Heats downfall.

I agree.

Chicago is one of those teams as well.

kjoke
09-06-2010, 10:46 PM
I agree.

Chicago is one of those teams as well.

lmao, with who???

daleja424
09-06-2010, 10:47 PM
ps... Cook is trash. The HEAT were desperate for 3 point shooting last year to spread the floor and Cook couldnt even get time then. He took a HUGE step backwards in his development last year. Dont expect ANYTHING from him.

I look at the roster and I say that the Thunder are BELOW AVERAGE at 3 of the 5 starting spots and about average at another. Durant is a beast, but there are still realistically at least 6 teams that are better out west. There is A LOT that the Thunder could do to improve.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 10:48 PM
I agree.

Chicago is one of those teams as well.

LMAO. dont wanna get too off topic here...but who the hell does Chicago have that will punish the HEAT in the paint? I know you dont mean Noah or Boozer...

DeZonia
09-06-2010, 10:49 PM
I agree.

Chicago is one of those teams as well.

Yep, I didn't put Chicago because I don't think they will be as dominate in the Post with their size. BUT they have some of the best rebounders in the League, which like I said could really hurt the Heat.

DeZonia
09-06-2010, 10:53 PM
I don't understand how people believe they won't destroy everyone this season. Everyone acts as if we have Derrick Rose, Monta Ellis, Kobe Bryant, and Al Harrington (no knock on Kobe or Rose, they just take a large number of shots).

This is LeBron, the greatest passing SF we've ever seen. Wade, who's more than willing to pass the ball. And a PF who people are now starting to discredit just because he's a member of the Heat.

This team is going to be so ****ing good it's ridiculous. Two of the top three players on this planet, and people still think they're going to struggle because there won't be "enough shots to go around".

I'm not buying it.


They won't be as good as you think. Ya Lebron looks really good when he holds the ball every possession.. Oh and he shoots as much as Kobe. Both D-Wade and Lebron drive most of the game, Lebron would pass the ball out to his shooters when he didn't have a shot. He can't do this anymore being his only shooter is Miller. His assist could drop and IMO if you defend the paint the Heat are VERY much beatable!

Baller1
09-06-2010, 10:54 PM
ps... Cook is trash. The HEAT were desperate for 3 point shooting last year to spread the floor and Cook couldnt even get time then. He took a HUGE step backwards in his development last year. Dont expect ANYTHING from him.

I look at the roster and I say that the Thunder are BELOW AVERAGE at 3 of the 5 starting spots and about average at another. Durant is a beast, but there are still realistically at least 6 teams that are better out west. There is A LOT that the Thunder could do to improve.

The Heat were a bad team, and couldn't open up the floor like the Thunder will hopefully be able to. I expect him to, at the worst, be better than last year.

Westbrook is above average, Sefalosha's brilliant defense keeps him afloat as an average starter, Durant is far above average, Green is average with potential for more, and Kristic I can agree with. He's below average.

If they could have done "A LOT" to improve, what exactly would you expect them to do?

Baller1
09-06-2010, 10:56 PM
They won't be as good as you think. Ya Lebron looks really good when he holds the ball every possession.. Oh and he shoots as much as Kobe. Both D-Wade and Lebron drive most of the game, Lebron would pass the ball out to his shooters when he didn't have a shot. He can't do this anymore being his only shooter is Miller. His assist could drop and IMO if you defend the paint the Heat are VERY much beatable!

Wade, Chalmers, and Eddie House can all knock down open jumpers and Chris Bosh has a nice mid-range game.

LeBron won't have a problem finding these guys open shots.

DeZonia
09-06-2010, 11:04 PM
Wade, Chalmers, and Eddie House can all knock down open jumpers and Chris Bosh has a nice mid-range game.

LeBron won't have a problem finding these guys open shots.

Wade is NOT a good shooter, he makes his own shots. He will also be handling the ball most the time (I think) and so do most experts. As for the others... LOL Eddie House is SOOO inconsistent, and Chris Bosh is a good mid shooter, BUT if he is taking the Shot then have just about 0 rebounding down low. Mario Chalmers didn't do that well last year with shooting. He shot 31% from 3pt, and I don't see him doing that great.

IMO like i said crash the paint with Defense and you can beat the Heat.
+ Score PIP
+ Rebounding
+ 2nd Chance Points

Those are Huge, and teams like the Lakers, Cs and Magic and Bulls will be able to exploit them so hard in those stats.

kjoke
09-06-2010, 11:06 PM
mike miller?

anyways, people need to stop looking at the heats negatives beacuse everyteam has its negatives, its if the postives outweigh the negatives, in which case, for the heat they do

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:12 PM
The Heat were a bad team, and couldn't open up the floor like the Thunder will hopefully be able to. I expect him to, at the worst, be better than last year.

Westbrook is above average, Sefalosha's brilliant defense keeps him afloat as an average starter, Durant is far above average, Green is average with potential for more, and Kristic I can agree with. He's below average.

If they could have done "A LOT" to improve, what exactly would you expect them to do?

No. average implies that a guy is a top 13-17 player at their position. Below average is worse then 17th at their position, above average is better than 13th. Durant is above average, but Westbrook is def in the 13-17 range at best right now, and there is NO WAY that Krisitc, Sef, or Green are top 13-17 at their position. NO WAY.

Baller1
09-06-2010, 11:15 PM
No. average implies that a guy is a top 13-17 player at their position. Below average is worse then 17th at their position, above average is better than 13th. Durant is above average, but Westbrook is def in the 13-17 range at best right now, and there is NO WAY that Krisitc, Sef, or Green are top 13-17 at their position. NO WAY.

:laugh2:

Name me 12 better PG's than Westbrook.

Rafer17
09-06-2010, 11:19 PM
Smells about right

WolvesJagsOs
09-06-2010, 11:20 PM
No. average implies that a guy is a top 13-17 player at their position. Below average is worse then 17th at their position, above average is better than 13th. Durant is above average, but Westbrook is def in the 13-17 range at best right now, and there is NO WAY that Krisitc, Sef, or Green are top 13-17 at their position. NO WAY.

are you serious?

samevans7
09-06-2010, 11:27 PM
how is Cleveland not an F?! they lose their best player, a good scoring and 2 centers. They gain Joey Graham. thats it.

tredigs
09-06-2010, 11:28 PM
No. average implies that a guy is a top 13-17 player at their position. Below average is worse then 17th at their position, above average is better than 13th. Durant is above average, but Westbrook is def in the 13-17 range at best right now, and there is NO WAY that Krisitc, Sef, or Green are top 13-17 at their position. NO WAY.

You are far from worth responding to. You are truly clueless my man.

edit: You also are not comprehending how powerful a great team defense is (supplemented by multiple competent/improving scorers and the most efficient/best scorer in the league). I've said too much, let's just wait 'til the season begins so you can eat a little crow.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:28 PM
Nash, Deron, CP3, Rondo, Rose, Kidd, Billups, and Parker for sure. Then an arguement could be made for Davis, Harris, Calderon, and Miller.

more importantly though than the stats, I don't believe he is a very good PG. I think he is a SG that has to play PG. I will admit that I havent seen a lot of him with the Thunder, but he has been a bit of a ballhog for team USA. He has consistantly missed open guys and always looks for his offense first. I dont like that in a PG.

given all that, he may very well be above average, but that doesnt change the fact that the Thunder are below average at THREE starting positions.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:30 PM
You are far from worth responding to. You are truly clueless my man.

are you serious? How many teams are there in the league genius? Oh ya, 30. That means there are 30 starters at each position.... Thus a guy ranked around 15th is an average NBA starter... :facepalm:

tredigs
09-06-2010, 11:34 PM
Nash, Deron, CP3, Rondo, Rose, Kidd, Billups, and Parker for sure. Then an arguement could be made for Davis, Harris, Calderon, and Miller.

more importantly though than the stats, I don't believe he is a very good PG. I think he is a SG that has to play PG. I will admit that I havent seen a lot of him with the Thunder, but he has been a bit of a ballhog for team USA. He has consistantly missed open guys and always looks for his offense first. I dont like that in a PG.

given all that, he may very well be above average, but that doesnt change the fact that the Thunder are below average at THREE starting positions.

The only points clearly better than Westbrook are Williams, Paul, Rondo and Nash. After that the argument begins. CALDERON, Miller? No, dude. What ****ing league are you watching? It's 2010, step your game up.

They will be a very strong/improved team this season overall. With the potential to be serious contenders.

Patsfreak1776
09-06-2010, 11:35 PM
The Celtics deserve an A. They lost no one of importance and resigned Nate plus they added Shaq and Jermaine. They also drafted two guys that will contribute and they signed Wafer and West. They went from being the EC Champs to getting deeper and better. They also resigned Daniels, who healthy gives you at least 10 a night. How are they not an A? Deepest Celtic team I've ever seen.

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:36 PM
The only points clearly better than Westbrook are Williams, Paul, Rondo and Nash. After that the argument begins. CALDERON, Miller? No, dude. What ****ing league are you watching? It's 2010, step your game up.

I tend to like my pg to be a actual pg... Liek I said though, even if I conceed that he is an above average starter, that still doesnt fix the fact that they are below average at three other positions...

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:40 PM
It all comes down to this... If you look at the playoff teams in the west last year, the Thunder probably had the worst starting SG, PF, and C among those teams, and there was only two starting PGs that were def worse then theirs (Fisher and Miller). They are not up to par with other teams in the west. There is a lot that could have been done to make this team better. Green, Kristic, and Thabo are not starters for a championship team!

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:42 PM
and tredigs... if you can't post in here without insulting people...then don't.

tredigs
09-06-2010, 11:47 PM
I tend to like my pg to be a actual pg... Liek I said though, even if I conceed that he is an above average starter, that still doesnt fix the fact that they are below average at three other positions...

You admitted yourself that you haven't seen him play much, so I'll excuse the naiveness, but he's a very willing passer who has steadily improved his shot-selection as the seasons have progressed. Dude is 21 and averaged 8+ assists a game and had the 7th highest asst% (ahead of Harris, Kidd, Calderon, Rose, Miller, etc). He's also a great defender, and Sefalosha is a top 3 defensive SG in the league. Sucks offensively, but he's a very valuable asset nonetheless. Green/Ibaka has the potential to be a very versatile/tough combo at PF going forward and Aldrich could just be that missing piece (as length/rebounding/shot-blocking in the post) that can help put them over the hump against a team like the Lakers (who won that series due to the dominance in length they had down low).

You're sleeping on this teams potential. Give them a watch for 10+ games early next year, and I am 100% positive you will change your opinion.

And Deja, if you can't post with knowledge of the team you are discussing, then please don't.

samevans7
09-06-2010, 11:54 PM
The only points clearly better than Westbrook are Williams, Paul, Rondo and Nash. After that the argument begins.

umm.... u might be a homer, and as much as i hate him, Derrick Rose>>>>Russell Westbrook

daleja424
09-06-2010, 11:54 PM
I watched them play LA. I know they are a good young team. Go look at the power rankings we did for PSD. I had the Thunder ranked 5th (2nd in the west). I am not sleeping on this team. At the same time we are talking about a team that has MAJOR holes and had money to fill some of them...and didn't. When you have Thabo, Green, and Kristic as starters and you are sitting on cap space your FO is not doing all it can do to put a contender out there. And it is only going to get harder to put pieces around these guys in the future as Durant and Westbrook start making significantly more money.

here's the rankings if you don't believe me: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518143

Ragun
09-06-2010, 11:54 PM
heat deserve an A+

dwadefan03
09-06-2010, 11:55 PM
i think boston deserves an A
they got both oneals, reatined ray allen, resigned nate robinson, drafted a great guard in avery bradley AND picked up delonte west. All of this added to a team that went to the finals last year. Thats alot better than what the lakers and thunder did IMO

daleja424
09-07-2010, 12:00 AM
Here is a different perspective for you. The HEAT gave Boston a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Miller, Bosh, James, Big Z, and Eddie House. The Thunder gave LA a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Aldrich and Cook. Come on now...

samevans7
09-07-2010, 12:06 AM
Here is a different perspective for you. The HEAT gave Boston a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Miller, Bosh, James, Big Z, and Eddie House. The Thunder gave LA a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Aldrich and Cook. Come on now...

but imo

Thaba, Harden, Westbrook> Chalmers, Arroyo, J. O'Neal

samevans7
09-07-2010, 12:07 AM
i think boston deserves an A
they got both oneals, reatined ray allen, resigned nate robinson, drafted a great guard in avery bradley AND picked up delonte west. All of this added to a team that went to the finals last year. Thats alot better than what the lakers and thunder did IMO

completely agree

Boston had the #2 offseason, no doubt

tredigs
09-07-2010, 12:10 AM
I watched them play LA. I know they are a good young team. Go look at the power rankings we did for PSD. I had the Thunder ranked 5th (2nd in the west). I am not sleeping on this team. At the same time we are talking about a team that has MAJOR holes and had money to fill some of them...and didn't. When you have Thabo, Green, and Kristic as starters and you are sitting on cap space your FO is not doing all it can do to put a contender out there. And it is only going to get harder to put pieces around these guys in the future as Durant and Westbrook start making significantly more money.

here's the rankings if you don't believe me: http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=518143

So what you're saying is that you would try to bring in a premiere PF (who would have signed to OKC?) when they have Green and Ibaka at the position? Two young dudes on cheap contracts who are oozing with potential (primarily Ibaka, defensively). Serge is poised to be one of the premiere defensive bigs in the league going forward; he is an absolute freak of nature.

They have the 3rd pick in last years draft going into his second season at SG (Harden - who's on a rookie contract, obviously) to supplement one of the premiere lockdown perimeter defenders in the league (Sefalosha). You would have tried to bring in a different player to change that, as well?

I just don't understand this concept that the Thunder needed to make big trades. They're young as hell and have their entire core locked up cheap for 3+ years (with their cornerstone just signing for 5). Tampering with that unnecessarily would be GM suicide and just the absolute worst decision to make.

I'm short with you because I've had this discussion countless times on this site. I need to write a blog-post on the subject that I can just link people to.


edit:
Here is a different perspective for you. The HEAT gave Boston a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Miller, Bosh, James, Big Z, and Eddie House. The Thunder gave LA a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Aldrich and Cook. Come on now...

A) The Heat had a huge amount of cap-space, and the ability to sign these big name free-agents.
B) The Heat had a horrible team surrounding Wade.
C) The Thunder have a young, fantastic core who are going to be among the best in the league defensively and addressed their primary weaknesses while maintaining continuity and still have the ability to trade/sign if need be.

Completely unrelated, non-comparable teams.

DeZonia
09-07-2010, 12:12 AM
Here is a different perspective for you. The HEAT gave Boston a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Miller, Bosh, James, Big Z, and Eddie House. The Thunder gave LA a handful in the first round, but lost. They added Aldrich and Cook. Come on now...

Boston has proved that when they need to play to win they do. So what if a team won 2 games against a team in a 7 game series, that is expected. Just because the Heat gave Boston a tough time doesn't mean anything. They still beat the Cavs and the Magic. The out played those teams and will do it again this playoffs. I expect to see another Lakers vs Celtics finals! And this one should be one for the ages.

DeZonia
09-07-2010, 12:16 AM
So what you're saying is that you would try to bring in a premiere PF (who would have signed to OKC?) when they have Green and Ibaka at the position? Two young dudes on cheap contracts who are oozing with potential (primarily Ibaka, defensively). Serge is poised to be one of the premiere defensive bigs in the league going forward; he is an absolute freak of nature.

They have the 3rd pick in last years draft going into his second season at SG (Harden - who's on a rookie contract, obviously) to supplement one of the premiere lockdown perimeter defenders in the league (Sefalosha). You would have tried to bring in a different to change that, as well?

I just don't understand this concept that the Thunder needed to make big trades. They're young as hell and have their entire core locked up cheap for 3+ years. Tampering with that unnecessarily would be GM suicide and just the absolute worst decision to make.

I'm short with you because I've had this discussion countless times on this site. I need to write a blog-post on the subject that I can just link people to.


edit:

A) The Heat had a huge amount of cap-space, and the ability to sign these big name free-agents.
B) The Heat had a horrible team surrounding Wade.
C) The Thunder have a young, fantastic core who are going to be among the best in the league defensively and addressed their primary weaknesses while maintaining continuity and still have the ability to trade/sign if need be.

Completely unrelated, non-comparable teams.

I agree the Thunder do have potential, but they really need to find a Center... Their was some cheap Centers out there they could of signed

tredigs
09-07-2010, 12:23 AM
I agree the Thunder do have potential, but they really need to find a Center... Their was some cheap Centers out there they could of signed

Like who? Getting the top defensive center in the draft (Back to back big 12 DPOY who's NBA ready as he played 3 years for a top school in a top conference) who blocks/rebounds everything in site and has a 7'5" wing span to sign for them on a rookie contract was a very solid move, imo. It leaves them flexible to make another move if necessary, and gives them a team that is almost guaranteed to be a finals contender next season if they can't find a way to put it all together this year.

I think people need to take into account that the off-season is not the only time where trades/moves are possible. Letting their core + these new additions attempt to mesh/grow together was easily the right choice for them to make. Come to the light, PDSers ; ]

thekmp211
09-07-2010, 12:28 AM
http://www.nba.com/reportcard/summer/2010/

Rankings:

A's

Lakers-A

Heat-A

Thunder-A



B+'s

Bulls-B+

Mavs-B+

Bucks-B+

Spurs-B+

Wizards-B+


B's

Celtics-B

Rockets-B

Nets-B

Knicks-B

76ers-B

Blazers-B

Jazz-B


B-'s

Pacers- B-

Grizzles- B-

Suns- B-



C+'s

Hawks-C+


C's

Bobcats-C

Nuggets-C

Clippers-C

T'Wolves-C

Hornets-C

Magic-C


C-'s

Pistons- C-

Kings- C-



D+'s

Warriors-D+


D's

Cavaliers-D

Raptors-D


looks pretty good to me. i'd flunk the cavs and raps.

i think the thunder got an A for locking durant up really early. whatever they did, it convinced him to re-up way before he even had to think about it. now they can build accordingly. i think it is well deserved.

the lakers won a championship and got better. blake>farmar, and barnes will be a great stopper/spot up 3pt guy too. i agree with both grades.

DerekRE_3
09-07-2010, 12:32 AM
So funny how the guy gave the Bobcats a B rating for their defense...when it has them ranked #1 on the article. They ranked top 3 in defensive efficiency last year...not sure how you get a B out of that but whatever.

daleja424
09-07-2010, 12:41 AM
Like who? Getting the top defensive center in the draft (Back to back big 12 DPOY who's NBA ready as he played 3 years for a top school in a top conference) who blocks/rebounds everything in site and has a 7'5" wing span to sign for them on a rookie contract was a very solid move, imo. It leaves them flexible to make another move if necessary, and gives them a team that is almost guaranteed to be a finals contender next season if they can't find a way to put it all together this year.

I think people need to take into account that the off-season is not the only time where trades/moves are possible. Letting their core + these new additions attempt to mesh/grow together was easily the right choice for them to make. Come to the light, PDSers ; ]

you are just like Bulls fans and Blazers fans from a couple years ago. A good young core it fine, but eventually you will see that unless you supplement a young team with vet talent...it doesnt mean much. A promising young core is great, but it will not lead to a title without vet leadership. And for every prospect that oozes talent that works out, there are just as many or more that never make it dude. Sorry, but how many "young" teams have won an nba title the past decade? I cant think of any. It simply does not make sense to sit on cap space so you dont "hold back" young players if you are trying to win games. Teams that are trying to win put their best guys on the floor, period. Teams that are trying to win not only spend all the cap, but they also spend the mle every year trying to get better. Even the Lakers that were already good went out and spent whatever money they could (likewise for the Celtics).

DeZonia
09-07-2010, 12:45 AM
you are just like Bulls fans and Blazers fans from a couple years ago. A good young core it fine, but eventually you will see that unless you supplement a young team with vet talent...it doesnt mean much. A promising young core is great, but it will not lead to a title without vet leadership. And for every prospect that oozes talent that works out, there are just as many or more that never make it dude. Sorry, but how many "young" teams have won an nba title the past decade? I cant think of any. It simply does not make sense to sit on cap space so you dont "hold back" young players if you are trying to win games. Teams that are trying to win put their best guys on the floor, period. Teams that are trying to win not only spend all the cap, but they also spend the mle every year trying to get better. Even the Lakers that were already good went out and spent whatever money they could (likewise for the Celtics).

:O I agreed with a Heat fan!

This is dead on!

Bruno
09-07-2010, 12:49 AM
They should have graded them on a curve.

dayreezy
09-07-2010, 12:55 AM
b.s..... heat and bulls only should get a's... b's and c's to majority.... no d's... f's for cleveland and toronto....

ChI_ShIzzLe
09-07-2010, 12:55 AM
you are just like Bulls fans and Blazers fans from a couple years ago. A good young core it fine, but eventually you will see that unless you supplement a young team with vet talent...it doesnt mean much. A promising young core is great, but it will not lead to a title without vet leadership. And for every prospect that oozes talent that works out, there are just as many or more that never make it dude. Sorry, but how many "young" teams have won an nba title the past decade? I cant think of any. It simply does not make sense to sit on cap space so you dont "hold back" young players if you are trying to win games. Teams that are trying to win put their best guys on the floor, period. Teams that are trying to win not only spend all the cap, but they also spend the mle every year trying to get better. Even the Lakers that were already good went out and spent whatever money they could (likewise for the Celtics).

True. Durant will eventually need another superstar/all-star next to him in order for the Thunder to be considered championship contenders.

ChI_ShIzzLe
09-07-2010, 12:59 AM
b.s..... heat and bulls only should get a's... b's and c's to majority.... no d's... f's for cleveland and toronto....

We shouldn't get an A because we didn't land any of the primary targets, but we should have gotten an A- because we filled the biggest need at PF with Boozer and followed through with the contingency plan perfectly.

thekmp211
09-07-2010, 01:00 AM
you are just like Bulls fans and Blazers fans from a couple years ago. A good young core it fine, but eventually you will see that unless you supplement a young team with vet talent...it doesnt mean much. A promising young core is great, but it will not lead to a title without vet leadership. And for every prospect that oozes talent that works out, there are just as many or more that never make it dude. Sorry, but how many "young" teams have won an nba title the past decade? I cant think of any. It simply does not make sense to sit on cap space so you dont "hold back" young players if you are trying to win games. Teams that are trying to win put their best guys on the floor, period. Teams that are trying to win not only spend all the cap, but they also spend the mle every year trying to get better. Even the Lakers that were already good went out and spent whatever money they could (likewise for the Celtics).

but the key is knowing how and when to spend that money. when you have kobe bryant, and happen to acquire pau gasol, then it is time to make moves. those guys are studs. the thunder are still figuring out the long-term keepers. guys like ibaka, maynor, aldrich, green and even westbrook need to be carefully assessed before they are offered extensions. can they progress enough to contend for it all? if not, does it matter?

it's almost worse to be a team like utah, dallas, than the bottom feeders. at least you can blow up and rebuild at the bottom. those teams are very good, not the best, but can't rebuild because they are winning teams and the fan base would rightfully revolt. but how do they stand to improve, especially with the luxury tax implications of acquiring salary?

tredigs
09-07-2010, 01:00 AM
you are just like Bulls fans and Blazers fans from a couple years ago. A good young core it fine, but eventually you will see that unless you supplement a young team with vet talent...it doesnt mean much. A promising young core is great, but it will not lead to a title without vet leadership. And for every prospect that oozes talent that works out, there are just as many or more that never make it dude. Sorry, but how many "young" teams have won an nba title the past decade? I cant think of any. It simply does not make sense to sit on cap space so you dont "hold back" young players if you are trying to win games. Teams that are trying to win put their best guys on the floor, period. Teams that are trying to win not only spend all the cap, but they also spend the mle every year trying to get better. Even the Lakers that were already good went out and spent whatever money they could (likewise for the Celtics).

The Bulls did not have the young talent/core that the Thunder do, and the Blazers are in a great place; their issue is that they have been derailed by injury. If healthy this season, they will contend.

The Lakers have the best top to bottom team in the league but are aging, why would they not spend every last penny trying to win this + next year? They are at the tail end of their potential; could not be farther from the case than a team like the Thunder who are still evaluating what they have.

How many young teams have been this good, this young? Just because you haven't seen something done before, does not mean it's not possible. The Thunder have a good chance of being the leagues "Black Swan". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

PS: I'm a Warriors fan, I just recognize a great thing when I see it. You're very low on the Thunder's potential, and that's fine (if not normal), but I think you're going to find yourself late to the party on this one.

JPHX
09-07-2010, 01:19 AM
We shouldn't get an A because we didn't land any of the primary targets, but we should have gotten an A- because we filled the biggest need at PF with Boozer and followed through with the contingency plan perfectly.

your sig made me chuckle.

Baller1
09-07-2010, 01:21 AM
The Bulls did not have the young talent/core that the Thunder do, and the Blazers are in a great place; their issue is that they have been derailed by injury. If healthy this season, they will contend.

The Lakers have the best top to bottom team in the league but are aging, why would they not spend every last penny trying to win this + next year? They are at the tail end of their potential; could not be farther from the case than a team like the Thunder who are still evaluating what they have.

How many young teams have been this good, this young? Just because you haven't seen something done before, does not mean it's not possible. The Thunder have a good chance of being the leagues "Black Swan". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

PS: I'm a Warriors fan, I just recognize a great thing when I see it. You're very low on the Thunder's potential, and that's fine (if not normal), but I think you're going to find yourself late to the party on this one.

What he said...

daleja424
09-07-2010, 10:09 AM
The Bulls did not have the young talent/core that the Thunder do, and the Blazers are in a great place; their issue is that they have been derailed by injury. If healthy this season, they will contend.

The Lakers have the best top to bottom team in the league but are aging, why would they not spend every last penny trying to win this + next year? They are at the tail end of their potential; could not be farther from the case than a team like the Thunder who are still evaluating what they have.

How many young teams have been this good, this young? Just because you haven't seen something done before, does not mean it's not possible. The Thunder have a good chance of being the leagues "Black Swan". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory

PS: I'm a Warriors fan, I just recognize a great thing when I see it. You're very low on the Thunder's potential, and that's fine (if not normal), but I think you're going to find yourself late to the party on this one.

I just named two within the past 4-5 years. The "baby Bulls" in 2006-2007 knocked off the defending champs in the first round IN A SWEEP. And the Blazers were considered the best young team in th league last year. They won 54 games finishing 4th in the West...and then lost early in the playoffs. The same for last year.

NO ONE in recent NBA history (or ever as far as I know) has won without either a dominant bigman or at least two HoFers on the team (besides the Pistons... who had 4 all-stars).

It simply does not make sense to sit on that money right now. Especially when that money will be gone next year b/c of salary increases and possibly CBA changes.

Discr3t
09-07-2010, 10:32 AM
The Celtics have to be an A. They resigned all their core players, got Doc to return and go great depth at a cheap price. If you have any basketball knowledge you can't possibly say the Thunder had a better offseason. To deserve an A you need to IMPROVE your team and while they kept it together they still didn't get better. Celtics=A

2_Trill
09-07-2010, 10:46 AM
I thought the Pistons would had a more impressive off season this summer, We deserve the grade we got but I guess Im cool with the team we have going into training camp.

xbrackattackx
09-07-2010, 12:42 PM
I really didn't have a problem with the heat snagging Lebron,Wade and Bosh. Until the Bandwagoneers and old heat fans got so cocky. But yea they deserve an A.


Lakers deserve a A also though they got another lock down defender, They got a PG that is younger and a smart B-Ball IQ. They Brought Back Clutch Fisher and Brown. And added a vet big man for when Bynum gets hurt. Not to mention to Rookies with potential that will be learning from LA's stars.

mikealike305
09-07-2010, 12:51 PM
im good with everything but thunder A? why did they get an A?

xbrackattackx
09-07-2010, 12:56 PM
im good with everything but thunder A? why did they get an A?

They signed this guy named Durant to a 5 Year Contract and added a defensive center in Cole.

Ace33Bone
09-07-2010, 02:13 PM
I would agree with the majority of this besides two.

1) I am a huge KD/OKC fan and feel as though there draft was an A, but they shouldve went after another big tweener to solidify their chances as a contentder. If they wouldve made a hard push for David Lee then i would have given them an A... but since they didnt I would give them a B

2) Boston- I would have to give them an A. They lose Tony Allen which is a pretty bad lost but they made that up by picking up the O'Neals who will help them a great deal when they get deep into the playoffs and when they have to face LA again in the championship. Sorry LBJ your my favorite player but thats the truth LA vs BOS rematch 2011 finals. So i would have to give them an A

daleja424
09-07-2010, 02:19 PM
They signed this guy named Durant to a 5 Year Contract and added a defensive center in Cole.

you get an A when you have done everything in your power to improve the team. sitting there with cap space and 3 below average starters tells me that they didn't do enough.

mikealike305
09-07-2010, 02:23 PM
you get an A when you have done everything in your power to improve the team. sitting there with cap space and 3 below average starters tells me that they didn't do enough.

this! i dont thin OKC deserves an A

mikealike305
09-07-2010, 02:24 PM
They signed this guy named Durant to a 5 Year Contract and added a defensive center in Cole.

by that logic dallas and boston should of got an A to

Baller1
09-07-2010, 02:25 PM
you get an A when you have done everything in your power to improve the team. sitting there with cap space and 3 below average starters tells me that they didn't do enough.

Just because we have three "below average" starters, according to you, doesn't mean the team isn't fit for contention. The Thunder play incredible team defense, and that was the reaosn for the 27 game improvement last season. Sefalosha is a defensive superiority that the team can boast in it's starting lineup, only to be backed up by the scoring threat off the bench for our team in James Harden. I don't understand how Jeff Green is below average, but nonetheless, he's a poor man's Scottie Pippen. Pippen did everything great, Jeff Green does everything good. And our backup for Green, a high-energy athletic freak in Serge Ibaka. As I've already said before, we now have Cole Aldrich who's probably the most NBA ready big man in the draft. I'm sure he'll add a much needed defensive presence down low.

You're not giving the team enough credit, because you're too busy focusing on the individuals.

Baller1
09-07-2010, 02:26 PM
by that logic dallas and boston should of got an A to

Durant is better and younger than anyone on Dallas or Boston.

But, I do agree Boston should have been given an A as well.

mikealike305
09-07-2010, 02:33 PM
Just because we have three "below average" starters, according to you, doesn't mean the team isn't fit for contention. The Thunder play incredible team defense, and that was the reaosn for the 27 game improvement last season. Sefalosha is a defensive superiority that the team can boast in it's starting lineup, only to be backed up by the scoring threat off the bench for our team in James Harden. I don't understand how Jeff Green is below average, but nonetheless, he's a poor man's Scottie Pippen. Pippen did everything great, Jeff Green does everything good. And our backup for Green, a high-energy athletic freak in Serge Ibaka. As I've already said before, we now have Cole Aldrich who's probably the most NBA ready big man in the draft. I'm sure he'll add a much needed defensive presence down low.

You're not giving the team enough credit, because you're too busy focusing on the individuals.

i dont think hes saying OKC cant compete for a title i think hes just saying they dont deserve an A for the offseason, which is what im saying, i personally think OKC can take out L.A in the WCF this year but i dont think they should get an A for this offseason

Durant is better and younger than anyone on Dallas or Boston.

But, I do agree Boston should have been given an A as well.

and no argument here

Baller1
09-07-2010, 02:52 PM
i dont think hes saying OKC cant compete for a title i think hes just saying they dont deserve an A for the offseason, which is what im saying, i personally think OKC can take out L.A in the WCF this year but i dont think they should get an A for this offseason


and no argument here

Yeah, I see what you guys are saying. But my point is, if you guys think they can contend for a title with the team they have, then wouldn't that qulaify them for an A in the offseason? Isn't that the objective of the offseason, prepare your team for a title run?

I see both sides of the argument, just trying to get mine across.

knicks=love
09-07-2010, 02:56 PM
The Bulls should be an A. Just saying. Ask David Aldridge for example, i bet he would say A.

lol. I probably just made my case bad. But seriously. B+? Pfffft.

Our front office executed to the best of their ability, in my opinion. The "South beach talent show" is exactly that; our front office did what they could to get one of those guys, but all of our acquisitions suddenly mean possible 3-4 seed for the Bulls, and more. Our team is sound, and healthy. In the article or whathaveyou our frontcourt got a B+. No way. That would put last years Frontcourt at least B- maybe lower, because we upgraded on what was already the best rebounding team in the league last year. Omer Asik, Boozer, Kurt Thomas, and even the rest of this years acquisitions for us only provide far more rebounding and interior fundamentals then last year. The Brad Miller eyebrow fake was nice while it lasted, but we are onto bigger and better things.

And i agree, IDK about the thunder getting an A either. Other then that, its good for the msot part

...coming from a bulls fan :facepalm:

llemon
09-07-2010, 02:59 PM
Yeah, I see what you guys are saying. But my point is, if you guys think they can contend for a title with the team they have, then wouldn't that qulaify them for an A in the offseason? Isn't that the objective of the offseason, prepare your team for a title run?

I see both sides of the argument, just trying to get mine across.

Hell, if you want to give OKC an offseason 'A', feel free.

Not everyone feels that way. You are going to have to live with that.

Baller1
09-07-2010, 03:02 PM
Hell, if you want to give OKC an offseason 'A', feel free.

Not everyone feels that way. You are going to have to live with that.

I never said everyone had to feel the same way I do, I'm simply just defending my points.

That's kind of the point of discussion forums, but alright.

HandslikeCarter
09-07-2010, 03:02 PM
If you guys could see the big picture you would understand that Khan quietly had the best summer for his wolves.

llemon
09-07-2010, 03:15 PM
I never said everyone had to feel the same way I do, I'm simply just defending my points.

That's kind of the point of discussion forums, but alright.

I hear you, but it's kind of a discussion of something that is abstract.

tredigs
09-07-2010, 08:24 PM
I just named two within the past 4-5 years. The "baby Bulls" in 2006-2007 knocked off the defending champs in the first round IN A SWEEP. And the Blazers were considered the best young team in th league last year. They won 54 games finishing 4th in the West...and then lost early in the playoffs. The same for last year.

NO ONE in recent NBA history (or ever as far as I know) has won without either a dominant bigman or at least two HoFers on the team (besides the Pistons... who had 4 all-stars).

It simply does not make sense to sit on that money right now. Especially when that money will be gone next year b/c of salary increases and possibly CBA changes.

I've already answered these points, and I'm bored of reiterating it to you (re-read my posts). You literally haven't grasped one thing I've written.

We'll see how this all plays out next season, and we can re-visit some of these comments then (although being that you're disregarding everything I've written, and I'm not sure that will be too productive).

daleja424
09-07-2010, 09:42 PM
You arent getting it though. Even if by some miracle the Thunder win a title next year, it still doesnt make sense that they didnt spend the money they had this year. It is flat out STUPID to sit on cap room.

You keep telling me that the Thunder could win it all. I don't care. Whether they are the 8th seed or the 1st seed, they had thee assets to be even better. And because they didn't use those assets, they didn't do everything they could do this offseason.

SouthSideRookie
09-07-2010, 10:04 PM
You arent getting it though. Even if by some miracle the Thunder win a title next year, it still doesnt make sense that they didnt spend the money they had this year. It is flat out STUPID to sit on cap room.

You keep telling me that the Thunder could win it all. I don't care. Whether they are the 8th seed or the 1st seed, they had thee assets to be even better. And because they didn't use those assets, they didn't do everything they could do this offseason.

I don't understand why some say that the Thunder don't need to improve, last I checked they were an eight seed last season, how in the world do people realistically think that they can knock off the Lakers and even win a title! They finished 2-6 vs the Blazers and Spurs(7th and 6th seeds),unless people assume that because they took the Lakers to 6, well if that's the case then you can say the same about the Rockets, hell they took LA to 7 without Yao for 4 games of that series 2 years ago.

I agree with your assesment that not every player pans out, many fans really get caught up with the "freak of nature" evaluations, but the reality is that if it was mainly based on that, many more "prospects" would pan out. Overall I do belive that the Thunder have a good team but I think this year they will realize that it's not as easy as they are projecting it to be, Portland should be healthy this year and also people better believe that the Rockets are gonna bring it this year.

sargon21
09-07-2010, 10:06 PM
how does OKC go from 8th seed to contending for the WCF?

tredigs
09-07-2010, 10:12 PM
You arent getting it though. Even if by some miracle the Thunder win a title next year, it still doesnt make sense that they didnt spend the money they had this year. It is flat out STUPID to sit on cap room.

You keep telling me that the Thunder could win it all. I don't care. Whether they are the 8th seed or the 1st seed, they had thee assets to be even better. And because they didn't use those assets, they didn't do everything they could do this offseason.

I keep telling you a lot of things, none of which have been that they can win it all (regardless if they can or not). Three basic things for you to sit on:

1) It is not easy to sign marquee free agents to a place like Oklahoma ****ing City (If David Lee - the best possible player they could have enticed - would have signed, it would have hurt them. What better way to ruin a fantastic team defense than sign one of the worst interior defenders in the league? I say that as a Warriors fan, at that).

2) You would have to be crazy to pay 10:1 on the dollar to sign a player that may or may not prove to be a better fit for your team than your current core (before giving that core a chance to develop through at least the trade deadline).

3) Sam Presti is much, much smarter than you (edit: and me - I am not going to single you out). Let's just sit back and enjoy the show; we can discuss this later.

evadatam5150
09-07-2010, 11:45 PM
I don't understand how people believe they won't destroy everyone this season. Everyone acts as if we have Derrick Rose, Monta Ellis, Kobe Bryant, and Al Harrington (no knock on Kobe or Rose, they just take a large number of shots).

This is LeBron, the greatest passing SF we've ever seen. Wade, who's more than willing to pass the ball. And a PF who people are now starting to discredit just because he's a member of the Heat.

This team is going to be so ****ing good it's ridiculous. Two of the top three players on this planet, and people still think they're going to struggle because there won't be "enough shots to go around".

I'm not buying it.

You missed his point I think, he didn't say there weren't enough shots to go around.. He was saying that the East has some good defensive teams with some very very good Bigs.. Can the Heat hang inside with Orlando and Boston, on paper it's not looking so good where they don't really have anyone who can really bang down low with a few of these teams..

Honestly only time will tell how good Miami will be but I think it's a bit premature to call them the champs and say they're going to be invincible..

oOo Rhino oOo
09-08-2010, 12:18 AM
Ight im I okc fan to the core. Why do they HAVE to spend there cap? They have a great team, each player have! there own skill set. They play with heart and love of the game. Others just trying to get a bigger cut. Their growing together like brothers, They don't need players like amare, Lee,etc..who need money to be happy, this team practice and practice to get better. Ino kristic isn't the best center, but he is a good player to be on this team. Their off-season was to improve from last year, and to fix their weakness and thats 3 point experience ( cook. ) a low post player ( cole ). I really think okc, and L.a have the Best chance at beating the heat. Okc is better then what most people say

evadatam5150
09-08-2010, 12:35 AM
LMAO. dont wanna get too off topic here...but who the hell does Chicago have that will punish the HEAT in the paint? I know you dont mean Noah or Boozer...

RB St Bl TO Pts
Bosh - 10.8 .61 .97 2.41 24

Z - 5.4 .22 .78 .98 7.4
-----------------------------------------
18.9 .83 1.75 3.39 31.4



Boozer 11.2 1.08 .46 2.72 19.5

Noah 11.0 .50 1.56 1.83 10.7
-----------------------------------------
22.2 1.58 2.02 4.55 30.2

You be the judge.. I don't know that Punish is the right word but the Bulls def have a rebound, steal and blocking advantage..

daleja424
09-08-2010, 10:55 AM
...sure...when you include Miami's backup in the comparison. I love fans like you that criticize the HEAT without even knowing what you're talking about. Let me guess, Chicago has a better bench then Miami too right?

daleja424
09-08-2010, 10:56 AM
and even with you using our BACKUP center in your comparison... I still don't see how Miami is getting PUNISHED inside...

Gibby23
09-08-2010, 11:11 AM
and even with you using our BACKUP center in your comparison... I still don't see how Miami is getting PUNISHED inside...

If he used Joel Anthony, it would make the Heat look even worse in the comparison.

bostncelts34
09-08-2010, 11:31 AM
don't really see why lakers and thunder are A's. Especially the lakers, they added Barnes,blake and ratliff. That's not better then these teams that were graded lower..

Chicago added Brewer, Boozer,Korver.
Boston added Shaq,JO,West,Bradley and re signed Nate,Daniels.
Knicks added Amare,Randolph, roger mason,felton

these teams should be A's.

daleja424
09-08-2010, 11:52 AM
If he used Joel Anthony, it would make the Heat look even worse in the comparison.

not really... his per 36 stats have him with 6 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 blocks... add that to chris bosh 24 points, 11 rebounds, and 1 block... and you get 30 points, 18 rebounds, and 4 blocks

compared to 30 points, 22 rebounds, 2 blocks...

where is the distruction? They rebound a little better while Miami's front court averages more blocks...

still failing to see the distruction

not to mention the fact that the majority of the damage done in the paint will actually be done by lebron and wade...

:up:

llemon
09-08-2010, 12:01 PM
don't really see why lakers and thunder are A's. Especially the lakers, they added Barnes,blake and ratliff. That's not better then these teams that were graded lower..

Chicago added Brewer, Boozer,Korver.
Boston added Shaq,JO,West,Bradley and re signed Nate,Daniels.
Knicks added Amare,Randolph, roger mason,felton

these teams should be A's.

Okay, let's play 'additions'.

Nets added Farmar, Morrow, Ross, Murphy, Outlaw, Damion James, Favors and Petro.

Tells us what we win, Don.

GMEN4EVER
09-08-2010, 12:21 PM
not really... his per 36 stats have him with 6 points, 7 rebounds, and 3 blocks... add that to chris bosh 24 points, 11 rebounds, and 1 block... and you get 30 points, 18 rebounds, and 4 blocks

compared to 30 points, 22 rebounds, 2 blocks...

where is the distruction? They rebound a little better while Miami's front court averages more blocks...

still failing to see the distruction

not to mention the fact that the majority of the damage done in the paint will actually be done by lebron and wade...

:up:

Dude, if you can't admit that Miami has a weakness in the front court on defense then i'm not so sure about your sanity. They have one of the worst defensive front court rotations in the game. Big Z can't guard any of the better centers in the league. Juwan Howard is in his late 30's, doubt he'll be much help. Joel Anthony does one thing very well, and that's block shots. He's ok in man to man post defense, but taller centers give him problems. Not to mention he doesn't rebound well either, so he's got a very low value when on the court. And Chris Bosh is a terrible defender.

Miami has a great team to be sure, but if there is one weak spot it's paint defense. They'll get murdered by Boston and Orlando in the paint. If Bogut comes back healthy the Bucks will even give the Heat problems in the paint, same with the knicks with Amar'e, and Chicago with Boozer.

If someone feeds the ball down low and punishes the Heat in the paint, and then on defense packs it in and does everything possible to keep Wade and Lebron out to at least their mid range games then they'll have a chance to upset the heat. Orlando, Boston, and especially the Lakers are all capable of doing this.

Miami doesn't have the 3pt shooting to overcome a team packing the paint. Wade is a bad 3pt shooter(around 30% lifetime, and Lebron is only a little bit better(33% or so). Eddie house is erratic from deep, chalmers hit just under 32 percent last year from 3. The only good 3pt threat they have is Miller, but there again you have a guy who just 2 years ago shot 38 percent from 3. I'm glad he had a break out year from deep last year, but expecting him to hit close to 50 percent from 3 might be too much.

Miami has set itself up for several runs at a championship, but marginal post defense and a bit of a lack of 3pt shooting could easily be their downfall. They're going to blow a lot of teams away in the regular season, but once the playoffs start they'll be hard pressed to potentially over come Boston, Orlando, and then the Lakers. If they have to go against those 3 in order I don't like their chances of winning it all this year.

rockets-fan
09-08-2010, 12:38 PM
rockets desereve a b+....added a good center in miller to back up yao(in case of injury)
added a needed back up sg in lee...drafted patrick patterson....kept scola amd lowry....they did great imo

Orange N Blue
09-08-2010, 12:42 PM
why are the lakers there? they didnt make any moves worth an a. neither did the thunder. and the heat should have an a+. :facepalm:

Celtic AL
09-08-2010, 01:13 PM
i agree that the c's get a B! becuse the loss of TA is huge

Celtic AL
09-08-2010, 01:16 PM
why are the lakers there? they didnt make any moves worth an a. neither did the thunder. and the heat should have an a+. :facepalm:

1st off lakers added Barnes who is a lock down defender! they also added Steve Blake for some fire power in there bench & added size with theo! as for the rest your right

Celtic AL
09-08-2010, 01:18 PM
Okay, let's play 'additions'.

Nets added Farmar, Morrow, Ross, Murphy, Outlaw, Damion James, Favors and Petro.

Tells us what we win, Don.

c+ at best

VinceCarter
09-08-2010, 01:34 PM
c+ at best

You must be delusional.

When a team adds enough quality talent to at least double their win total from last year is not a slightly above average offseason. :laugh:

It doesn't matter that last year was a 12 win season the fact that in ONE offseason they improved their team to at least a 24 win team with 30+ win potential you HAVE to give them something in the B range if not more.

Bob_at_york
09-08-2010, 01:39 PM
You must be delusional.

When a team adds enough quality talent to at least double their win total from last year is not a slightly above average offseason. :laugh:

It doesn't matter that last year was a 12 win season the fact that in ONE offseason they improved their team to at least a 24 win team with 30+ win potential you HAVE to give them something in the B range if not more.
They haven't won those games yet man!

But I believe they will. One thing you need to remember is that they had such a bad season last year that there is nowhere to go but up. They HAVE to win more games than last year. It is almost impossible for them to have a worse season.

daleja424
09-08-2010, 01:43 PM
Dude, if you can't admit that Miami has a weakness in the front court on defense then i'm not so sure about your sanity. They have one of the worst defensive front court rotations in the game. Big Z can't guard any of the better centers in the league. Juwan Howard is in his late 30's, doubt he'll be much help. Joel Anthony does one thing very well, and that's block shots. He's ok in man to man post defense, but taller centers give him problems. Not to mention he doesn't rebound well either, so he's got a very low value when on the court. And Chris Bosh is a terrible defender.

Miami has a great team to be sure, but if there is one weak spot it's paint defense. They'll get murdered by Boston and Orlando in the paint. If Bogut comes back healthy the Bucks will even give the Heat problems in the paint, same with the knicks with Amar'e, and Chicago with Boozer.

If someone feeds the ball down low and punishes the Heat in the paint, and then on defense packs it in and does everything possible to keep Wade and Lebron out to at least their mid range games then they'll have a chance to upset the heat. Orlando, Boston, and especially the Lakers are all capable of doing this.

Miami doesn't have the 3pt shooting to overcome a team packing the paint. Wade is a bad 3pt shooter(around 30% lifetime, and Lebron is only a little bit better(33% or so). Eddie house is erratic from deep, chalmers hit just under 32 percent last year from 3. The only good 3pt threat they have is Miller, but there again you have a guy who just 2 years ago shot 38 percent from 3. I'm glad he had a break out year from deep last year, but expecting him to hit close to 50 percent from 3 might be too much.

Miami has set itself up for several runs at a championship, but marginal post defense and a bit of a lack of 3pt shooting could easily be their downfall. They're going to blow a lot of teams away in the regular season, but once the playoffs start they'll be hard pressed to potentially over come Boston, Orlando, and then the Lakers. If they have to go against those 3 in order I don't like their chances of winning it all this year.

here we go again. people love to discredit Miami b/c they signed guys like Juwan Howard and Big Z. Those guys will barely play!!! Convenient that you left Udonis Haslem out of your analysis... :rolleyes:

There are 96 minutes available at the 4 and 5. Bosh will play 36, Anthony will play 24-36, Haslem will play 30-36. That leaves a couple minutes, AT MOST, for a guy like Big Z to play. Take off the hater goggles. Joel Anthony and Udonis Haslem are both above average defenders and the HEAT system makes everyone play defense... so dont worry about Bosh.

In the end, EVERY team has weaknesses you can point to and complain about. Having Haslem, Bosh, and Anthony as a front court is a problem I am pretty sure more then half of the teams in the league would like to have. Im not worried about it.

Celtic AL
09-08-2010, 01:51 PM
You must be delusional.

When a team adds enough quality talent to at least double their win total from last year is not a slightly above average offseason. :laugh:

It doesn't matter that last year was a 12 win season the fact that in ONE offseason they improved their team to at least a 24 win team with 30+ win potential you HAVE to give them something in the B range if not more.

no im not! and the reason there c+ at best is they did not sign a Top FA! sure Farmar & Morrow are good pick ups but they should of sign a Top FA

ARMIN12NBA
09-08-2010, 02:20 PM
any grading system that has more than Miami earning the top grade is worthy of a :facepalm:

what Miami did so far exceeds what anyone else did that no other team deserves better than a C if Miami gets a A. Lakers add Blake and Barnes, HEAT add Lebron, Bosh, and Mike Miller and they get the same grade? Oh okay...

I don't think it is graded on a curve. . .

knicks=love
09-08-2010, 04:19 PM
no im not! and the reason there c+ at best is they did not sign a Top FA! sure Farmar & Morrow are good pick ups but they should of sign a Top FA

:hi5:

evadatam5150
09-08-2010, 11:23 PM
...sure...when you include Miami's backup in the comparison. I love fans like you that criticize the HEAT without even knowing what you're talking about. Let me guess, Chicago has a better bench then Miami too right?

I don't believe I criticized anyone on Miami or the team itself.. I'm not a Bulls fan either.. I love ignorance as much as anyone but you're taking the cake right now.. I was merely comparing the Bulls starting center and power forward with miami using last seasons stats... The numbers don't lie.. I'm just merely pointing out that you should check the facts before spouting nonsense.. And yes Miami has a better team and more pure scorers but you can't look past the fact that Miami doesn't have the best bigs in the league and that's a huge deal in my opinion..

It's just my opinion.. Nothing more nothing less.. At least I can use relative stats... What do you have...

llemon
09-08-2010, 11:36 PM
If you guys could see the big picture you would understand that Khan quietly had the best summer for his wolves.

Quietly? As in flapping his yap about Beasley and Webber?

llemon
09-08-2010, 11:42 PM
and the reason there c+ at best is they did not sign a Top FA! sure Farmar & Morrow are good pick ups but they should of sign a Top FA

Why should they have signed a top, expensive FA?