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D Roses Bulls
09-04-2010, 10:56 AM
"I like that they play together and nobody really worries about shots, " O'Neal said. "When I was with Cleveland, guys who couldn't even play were worried about shots. Why was Mo (Williams) taking 15 shots, and I'm only taking four? If LeBron takes 20 shots, that's cool.

"So I said, let me get with a good team for the last two years. I don't mind people calling me a journeyman. I've been programmed to move around every three years."

http://network.yardbarker.com/nba/article_external/your_morning_dump_where_shaq_takes_a_shot_at_mo_wi lliams/3168605

69centers
09-04-2010, 11:00 AM
Mo Williams was overrated during his time with Lebron. As the article points out how they wonder if he'll still be cocky when the Cavs stink this year, I wonder if he'll still be talked about in the same sentence as all star. I doubt it.

Harsh words from Shaq and a little over the top. Mo can play, just not as well as everyone used to think alongside Lebron.

llemon
09-04-2010, 11:02 AM
Shaq, I think they'll never be as big a POS as thee.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 11:02 AM
pretty harsh, but I think the world, and PSD, will see how crappy LeBron's cast really was this upcoming season.

D Roses Bulls
09-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Mo Williams was overrated during his time with Lebron. As the article points out how they wonder if he'll still be cocky when the Cavs stink this year, I wonder if he'll still be talked about in the same sentence as all star. I doubt it.

Harsh words from Shaq and a little over the top. Mo can play, just not as well as everyone used to think alongside Lebron.

yea it was a little harsh. i mean i see where shaq is coming from cause i always wondered the same thing, but man shaq, let it go. he does this every time he switches teams.

D Roses Bulls
09-04-2010, 11:04 AM
pretty harsh, but I think the world, and PSD, will see how crappy LeBron's cast really was this upcoming season.

I do too, but I think its funny that only a few people on here including me was saying cleveland was overrated the past two years when everyone else was jocking them at the time, now all asudden they sucked. its like they should of knew it before that it wasn't going to work out.

69centers
09-04-2010, 11:05 AM
He must have had some issues with Mo there when he played, to be so vocal now. I know he was upset in the Cavs loss to the C's in the playoffs, when he wasn't playing in the 4th quarter. Hopefully he respects his Celtics teammates when they're out on the floor ahead of him, more than he did everyone other than Lebron on the Cavs.

justinnum1
09-04-2010, 11:06 AM
lol

whitemamba33
09-04-2010, 11:06 AM
At least it wasn't the generic "I'm just trying to do what I can to win" line that almost all the other superstars give. That's why I like Shaq. You may not like/agree with what he is saying, but he's usually at least worth reading.

llemon
09-04-2010, 11:10 AM
At least it wasn't the generic "I'm just trying to do what I can to win" line that almost all the other superstars give. That's why I like Shaq. You may not like/agree with what he is saying, but he's usually at least worth reading.

And after reading Shaq's idiocy, it is then worthy of taking a leak on.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 11:10 AM
I do too, but I think its funny that only a few people on here including me was saying cleveland was overrated the past two years when everyone else was jocking them at the time, now all asudden they sucked. its like they should of knew it before that it wasn't going to work out.

I never bought into that cast. I think most of the LeBron haters were the ones pumping how much help he had now, no excuses, blah, blah, blah. When your second best player is a toss up between Mo Williams and Jamison, you have no help
Expect a 30 win drop at least.

SeoulBeatz
09-04-2010, 11:11 AM
Well im one of the biggest Mo Williams haters on this site so i completely agree with Shaq.

Mo is sooooo overrated it's not even funny. No playmaking ability, absolutely no defense, big ego. He has nothing to contribute.

Only an allstar because his team was good, damn i still can't believe he made it.

he's a scorer who can't score.

Knowledge
09-04-2010, 11:11 AM
pretty harsh, but I think the world, and PSD, will see how crappy LeBron's cast really was this upcoming season.

this

FOBolous
09-04-2010, 11:12 AM
Shaq needs to stfu.

FOBolous
09-04-2010, 11:14 AM
I never bought into that cast. I think most of the LeBron haters were the ones pumping how much help he had now, no excuses, blah, blah, blah. When your second best player is a toss up between Mo Williams and Jamison, you have no help
Expect a 30 win drop at least.

i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 11:16 AM
i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.

prepare to be very disappointed. The Cavs are going to suck this year. It is the east, so 30 wins wouldn't surprise me, but they won't be very competitive.

celtisox41
09-04-2010, 11:18 AM
yea it was a little harsh. i mean i see where shaq is coming from cause i always wondered the same thing, but man shaq, let it go. he does this every time he switches teams.

Its completley true, he does do this every time. But now its for us instead of against the celtics so im all good :D

AddiX
09-04-2010, 11:23 AM
I'm sick of people bashing Mo, and I don't even like him.

It's funny how people forget the year before Cleveland fans, his teammates, and Bron himself, basically demanded he be on the all star team.

But now that they lost to the Celtics in the playoffs, it's all his fault?

Sorry, but Bron needs to take his blame. He's the superstar, the go to guy, and he couldnt open up any good looks for himself. The same thing happened when Gibson was taking all the big shots the year before.

D Roses Bulls
09-04-2010, 11:24 AM
I never bought into that cast. I think most of the LeBron haters were the ones pumping how much help he had now, no excuses, blah, blah, blah. When your second best player is a toss up between Mo Williams and Jamison, you have no help
Expect a 30 win drop at least.

yea I kind of remember you being on board with me at the time as well, but not many people were.

CLASSOF72
09-04-2010, 11:29 AM
Yep, the good ol Shaq dash and bash. Shaq is a loser.

JWO35
09-04-2010, 11:29 AM
Mo is probably the best example of a SG playing PG....which usually doesn't end well for the team, as you can see somebody decided to take their talents to South Beach.

KnicksorBust
09-04-2010, 11:37 AM
Damn. I don't know why everyone is hating on Mo Williams. He's a very good player who is an almost ideal PG fit next to a superstar wing player like a Kobe/LeBron. The only problem I have with him is he wilts in the playoffs. no pun intended.

xM1GSx
09-04-2010, 11:38 AM
mo isnt that good

Chronz
09-04-2010, 11:39 AM
Shaqs wrong here, his presence never helped the teams offense and he held Mo back.

netsgiantsyanks
09-04-2010, 11:40 AM
shaq is kind of right. mo williams shouldn't be taking 15 shots a game.

Trouble87
09-04-2010, 11:41 AM
Mo Williams was proven scorer in Milwaukee, thats why he could take 15 shots

Shaq needs to stop worrying about what others did and look at wtf he was doing. He's underwhelmed every year since the championship with Miami

sep11ie
09-04-2010, 11:43 AM
Thats like me making fun of my nephews friends.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 11:44 AM
Shaqs wrong here, his presence never helped the teams offense and he held Mo back.

true, but Mo isn't all that good. Shaq is even worse at this point however.

llemon
09-04-2010, 11:46 AM
shaq is kind of right. mo williams shouldn't be taking 15 shots a game.

Except that Mo wasn't taking 15 shots per game, and Shaq was taking much more than 5 shots a game.

And Mo's a shooter. That's what he does.

And Shaq's a moronic whiner. That's what he does.

sep11ie
09-04-2010, 11:46 AM
He really should shut up, he's just hammering home the fact that he sucks now. If he's saying Mo is no good and getting 15 spg and Shaq's only getting 4, it's really saying something about Shaq's talent level now. He's just trying to live/play on past accomplishments and needs to get over it. Maybe everyone else in the world see's what Shaq doesn't.

WadeKobe
09-04-2010, 11:48 AM
Thank you Shaquille O'Neal. Someone needed to put Mo Williams in his place. He's terrible. I'm so tired of him being so overrated.

Corey
09-04-2010, 11:51 AM
yea it was a little harsh. i mean i see where shaq is coming from cause i always wondered the same thing, but man shaq, let it go. he does this every time he switches teams.

To be fair, he's just being honest.

I've never been a fan of his team-bashing shenanigans, but if someone asks him the question, he's going to answer it.

The media takes advantage of it.

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 11:53 AM
Except that Mo wasn't taking 15 shots per game, and Shaq was taking much more than 5 shots a game.

And Mo's a shooter. That's what he does.

And Shaq's a moronic whiner. That's what he does.

We all know Shaq runs his mouth the second he leaves a team. At some point, every bridge possible will be burned
Doesn't change the fact that Mo is not very good.

llemon
09-04-2010, 11:55 AM
To be fair, he's just being honest.

I've never been a fan of his team-bashing shenanigans, but if someone asks him the question, he's going to answer it.

The media takes advantage of it.

How about if the big moron answered the question using the correct numbers, rather than the ones he pulls out of his Grand Canyon like recto-area.

Heater4life
09-04-2010, 11:57 AM
i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.

Its difficult to compare to a tee, since Miami had NO second option, but if D-Wade left Miami the Heat would be done for the near future. Yes, Cleveland had a decent roster put together, but people take for granted how much better a superstar like Lebron makes his teammates. Consistently supply them with open shots and clear driving lanes. Mo Williams is a good role player, but no where near a second option. Antawn Jamison your third option, Shaq and Zeke at center, Gibson your inconsistent three-point specialist, Delonte west, Varejeo. That team was made better by Lebron and IMO was a product of his talent. That team was flawed from top to bottom, hence why i dont blame Lebron for leaving, regardless of his destination.

Mo Williams is overated, Shaq talks alot of smack but i can agree with him on this one.

The Embassy
09-04-2010, 11:58 AM
Ring chaser.

IrespectNumber3
09-04-2010, 11:59 AM
How many times has Shaq talked bad about the team that he leaves? This is nothing new when Shaq leaves the Celtics, he'll talk about how Perkins wasn't a scorer, Rondo doesn't shoot and a member of the Celtics is getting old. This is what Shaq does. He does it with every team he leaves.

As for Cleveland I know there not going to be as bad as everyone is saying. There not worse then Indiana or Detroit in that division. I'm not saying they will make the playoffs but they definitely can push the envelope.

Sadds The Gr8
09-04-2010, 12:03 PM
The truth hurts.

IrespectNumber3
09-04-2010, 12:04 PM
Mo is still better then half of the starting PGs in the league. I don't know how he is going to impact being the focus of a team though

llemon
09-04-2010, 12:05 PM
Its difficult to compare to a tee, since Miami had NO second option, but if D-Wade left Miami the Heat would be done for the near future. Yes, Cleveland had a decent roster put together, but people take for granted how much better a superstar like Lebron makes his teammates. Consistently supply them with open shots and clear driving lanes. Mo Williams is a good role player, but no where near a second option. Antawn Jamison your third option, Shaq and Zeke at center, Gibson your inconsistent three-point specialist, Delonte west, Varejeo. That team was made better by Lebron and IMO was a product of his talent. That team was flawed from top to bottom, hence why i dont blame Lebron for leaving, regardless of his destination.

Mo Williams is overated, Shaq talks alot of smack but i can agree with him on this one.

Here's the differrence between Wade and Lebron.

When the offense slows down, and Wade has the ball, if it looks like Wade will put the ball on the floor, he draws a 2nd defender. The closer Wade gets to the basket, the more defenders he draws. Same with Kobe.

It ain't like that with Lebron.

dnewguy
09-04-2010, 12:07 PM
Well Shaq is the problem here, he's just too immature despite his stature. Mo had to take 15 shots a game because he's their next best scorer and when Lebron is on bench he is the only reliable option. I won't give Shaq more than 2 shots a game, his offensive game is that wack.

PrettyBoyJ
09-04-2010, 12:17 PM
I think it's pretty funny, Shaq is right about one thing he shouldnt have been taking 15 shots.. Mo was never an allstar in my eyes, and flopped when it counted the most, I could never forget the time when he dissed anthony johnson in the magics series when AJ was having a better series then him as far as production

Raoul Duke
09-04-2010, 12:22 PM
This is just what old, washed up Shaq does. He goes to a team for a year or two, comes off the bench and looks fat and semi-useless, then eventually leaves and talks smack about the players on the roster that were better than him. He did it when he left Miami and Phoenix, now he's doing it again with Cleveland. If he doesn't win next year with Boston then this whole sad story will play out once again...

Purch
09-04-2010, 12:25 PM
Shaq continues to burn the bridges.


Lakers/Kobe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UziUhf1ukw


Heat/Wade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdHF215m7w8


Magic/Stan Van Gundy
Phoenix Suns center Shaquille O'Neal ripped his former coach, Stan Van Gundy, on Wednesday after Van Gundy complained about O'Neal flopping the previous night in a loss at Orlando, pulling no punches in one of the stronger diatribes of his 17 year career.

"I heard his comment. Flopping to me is doing it more than one time, and I realized when I tried to take the charge, as I went down, I realized that that play reminded me of his whole coaching career," O'Neal said of Van Gundy. "And one thing I really despise is a front-runner, so I know for a fact that he's a master of panic, and when it gets time for his team to go in the postseason and do certain things, he will let them down because of his panic. I've been there before, I've played for him."

Cavs/Mo Williams

"I like that they play together and nobody really worries about shots, " O'Neal said. "When I was with Cleveland, guys who couldn't even play were worried about shots. Why was Mo (Williams) taking 15 shots, and I'm only taking four? If LeBron takes 20 shots, that's cool.

"So I said, let me get with a good team for the last two years. I don't mind people calling me a journeyman. I've been programmed to move around every three years."

PlezPlayDKnicks
09-04-2010, 12:25 PM
Mo Williams was a good fit next to Lebron.. Is he overated YES.. Is Shaq being a douche YES... That team needed another star to win it all but let's not act like that team didn't win a lot of games... Playoffs are a different animal and James weaknesses were exposed as much as his teammates.. Keep LBJ out the paint and CLe loses. LBJ is a great player but that jumpshot still needs work.. It did improve a lot and it needs to be better this year if Miami wants to win it all..

WITZ
09-04-2010, 12:29 PM
Haha shaqs mad to bad he is over the hill , maybe he only got 4 shots because he was terrible watch the Celtic series and see how many shots in the paint he missed shaq is pathetic.

magichatnumber9
09-04-2010, 12:31 PM
Mo Williams is a counterfeit all star.

hgtiger32
09-04-2010, 12:45 PM
i thought that Shaq promised that he was gonna help the King bring a ring back to Cleveland.....

Avenged
09-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Seriously though, Shaq is known for this kind of stuff and has said stuff about his former teammates throughout.

If Shaq really has a problem with the guys he plays with, he should really come out during his time with the team in my opinion. No reason to basically "talk behind their backs".

Eh, I guess it's just me, but I'm just not a fan of that type of stuff. Him being a veteran, he should know better and just play the game.

phoenix_bladen
09-04-2010, 01:05 PM
Someone ask Shaq

"Will you still win a ring for the King?"

EaglePride615
09-04-2010, 01:12 PM
finally someone calls out this short bum

MU and UW Fan
09-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Seriously though, Shaq is known for this kind of stuff and has said stuff about his former teammates throughout.

If Shaq really has a problem with the guys he plays with, he should really come out during his time with the team in my opinion. No reason to basically "talk behind their backs".

Eh, I guess it's just me, but I'm just not a fan of that type of stuff. Him being a veteran, he should know better and just play the game.

Couldn't agree with you more

LavelC
09-04-2010, 01:42 PM
I'm sick of people bashing Mo, and I don't even like him.

It's funny how people forget the year before Cleveland fans, his teammates, and Bron himself, basically demanded he be on the all star team.

But now that they lost to the Celtics in the playoffs, it's all his fault?

Sorry, but Bron needs to take his blame. He's the superstar, the go to guy, and he couldnt open up any good looks for himself. The same thing happened when Gibson was taking all the big shots the year before.

I don't think anybody here is blaming Mo 4 clevlands loss. I think everybody here is just agreeing with Shaq. I just don't get y he is so cocky his biggest accomplishment in the NBA is playing with LeBron

Meriweather31
09-04-2010, 02:04 PM
We'll see this year how good Mo Williams is. And I can bet you one thing. He won't be an All-Star. Shaq may be just talking smack (like always) but he has a point. Mo Williams REALLY isn't that great.

Gators123
09-04-2010, 02:11 PM
I agree with what Shaq said, I just don't think he should of put it out there the way he did. Mo is very overrated IMO.

Antipod
09-04-2010, 02:13 PM
Unusual bashing from Big Shaq ... Maybe Mo had a thing for his mom? :D:D

FadeAwayLikeMJ
09-04-2010, 02:27 PM
Who's Mo Williams?:p

NYKNYGNYY
09-04-2010, 02:56 PM
shaq can talk all the **** he wants, he is a legend..and lebron made cleveland look good not his team, if they were any good hed be there with a title

TheWatcher34
09-04-2010, 03:00 PM
now Shaq accepted a limited role with the Celtics and he can't be in demand for a ton of shots now.
and Mo Williams...he's decent, but by himself couldn't be enough to get Lebron "over the hump" of winning a championship, it wasn't even close, he's not an All Star type of player.

NYtilIdie
09-04-2010, 03:04 PM
pretty harsh, but I think the world, and PSD, will see how crappy LeBron's cast really was this upcoming season.

Well, the only people who claimed he had a good supporting cast were Laker fans.

Apparently a 35 yr. old Jamison, 38 yr old Shaq and a disappearing in the playoffs Mo Williams, was enough help Lebron get a championship.

HeaTxRipZz
09-04-2010, 03:05 PM
I don't think Mo is close to a allstar but he is a decent talent at best so I somewhat agree with Shaq on that. To be honest he has the right to say anything he wants hes a future HOF and is a winner. Is he a shell of his old self? Sure but that's not gonna take away all he's accomplished in his career

llemon
09-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Shaq-25.4 mpg, 8.7 FGApg, 4.3 FTApg

Mo-34 mpg, 12.4 FGApg, 2.9 FTApg.

Shaq once again talking out of his excreter.

iam brett favre
09-04-2010, 03:10 PM
**** Shaq, seriousy. I despise him

Jewelz0376
09-04-2010, 03:13 PM
Its funny to me how every acts like Mo Wiliiams is trash... Like some1 already mentioned he is the perfect kind pg on offense to play next to Lebron... Playing alongside someone who controls the ball as much as Lebron a traditional pg isn't needed...they basically needed a more of a spot up shooter... Yea he played bad against the Celtics and Magic the previous season, but he still played well for them...

Hawkeye15
09-04-2010, 03:14 PM
Shaq-25.4 mpg, 8.7 FGApg, 4.3 FTApg

Mo-34 mpg, 12.4 FGApg, 2.9 FTApg.

Shaq once again talking out of his excreter.

Shaq talking out his yang? Never...

llemon
09-04-2010, 03:18 PM
Would he make more sense if he did?

LakeShowRaider
09-04-2010, 03:47 PM
Am I the only one who read "Let me get with a good team my last 2 years"? Insinuating that the Cavs sucked!

Lol Shaq's fat *** always burning bridges. You sure won a ring for the king!

prodigy
09-04-2010, 03:51 PM
Mo Williams numbers went down next to Lebron.

But hey Shaq, Remember all those layups you blew? ya thats why you were only getting 4 shots lol. You were on the cavs for one reason, Howard, thats it.

Ebbs
09-04-2010, 03:51 PM
harsh but true...

TheTakeOver24
09-04-2010, 04:03 PM
Shaq does this every time he's forced to leave a team...
Nothing new...
Anyways, Mo Williams talks a lotta sh** too so he got what was coming to him.

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 04:25 PM
this is a who cares story! Mo WIlliams is not Lebron,Wade,Rose or Kobe! so you people grow up

llemon
09-04-2010, 04:29 PM
this is a who cares story! Mo WIlliams is not Lebron,Wade,Rose or Kobe! so you people grow up

Sez the Celtic fan now stuck The Big Mouthastotle

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 04:31 PM
Sez the Celtic fan now stuck The Big Mouthastotle

Well its the truth!!! and btw hes still not the best player on the cavs its antawn jamison's team now!

Wade>You
09-04-2010, 04:32 PM
lol

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 04:34 PM
lol people are fighting over a fake story

thats PSD for ya!

llemon
09-04-2010, 04:36 PM
Well its the truth!!! and btw hes still not the best player on the cavs its antawn jamison's team now!

And that is supposed to mean what exactly, in relation to this thread?

Has Mo come out and said this is now his team?

Please, quit while you're ahead (well actually behind, as Shaq worked you for a two year contract).

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 04:38 PM
And that is supposed to mean what exactly, in relation to this thread?

Has Mo come out and said this is now his team?

Please, quit while you're ahead (well actually behind, as Shaq worked you for a two year contract).

ok you got a point but dude this thread is not worthy for Mo

NetsPaint
09-04-2010, 04:48 PM
Carter was having a very good season and Mo Williams was put in ahead of him...Steve Nash too...what the *****.

Kashmir13579
09-04-2010, 04:54 PM
lol. why shaq?

Ovratd1up
09-04-2010, 04:57 PM
Too bad Mo had a superior TS% than Shaq even playing the guard spot and taking more shots...

evadatam5150
09-04-2010, 05:08 PM
I do too, but I think its funny that only a few people on here including me was saying cleveland was overrated the past two years when everyone else was jocking them at the time, now all asudden they sucked. its like they should of knew it before that it wasn't going to work out.

I've been saying this all along as well.. It's funny how Cleveland fan is so myopic, when they were winning, when everything was going their way Cleveland was the best team ever assembled in their opinions.. The second they lost in the playoffs 2 years in a row all of a sudden it was La Sell Out didn't have any help and their team stunk.. Can't have it both ways.. I'll say it again, I have no idea how that team won so many games 2 years running.. It'll be interesting to see how everything pans out..

beasted86
09-04-2010, 05:54 PM
I'm glad this clown proves everybody right about him every time. He always backstabs the team he just left. Nothing new here.

Celtics it's your turn next. Now maybe some of the people will realize why we didn't want him back in Miami.

nigerianking
09-04-2010, 05:55 PM
mo williams is not trash...people need to get over it..get off lebron's d

beasted86
09-04-2010, 06:12 PM
BTW, Mo Williams is probably the only NBA player I hate, and even I will admit he's a good basketball player. Not an all-star, not a top 10 PG, but still a good player.

xxcubs22xx
09-04-2010, 06:18 PM
Well im one of the biggest Mo Williams haters on this site so i completely agree with Shaq.

Mo is sooooo overrated it's not even funny. No playmaking ability, absolutely no defense, big ego. He has nothing to contribute.

Only an allstar because his team was good, damn i still can't believe he made it.

he's a scorer who can't score.

I'm with ya on this one.

Mo sucks. They should have given Jamario Moon more playing time then him.

Shaq is right. Who cares if he's calling out Mo Williams...He obviously deserves it...

RulerSlick
09-04-2010, 06:35 PM
i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.

Haha..keep dreaming!! Mo Williams besides Jamison was the biggest reason the Cavs got beat by the Celtics. Rondo was giving Mo the business.

MiamiWadeCounty
09-04-2010, 06:39 PM
just shaq burning more bridges. i like how he says nobody is worried about shots when referring to the celtics and then he goes on about how he only got 4 shots. hes basically saying i want my shots

nigerianking
09-04-2010, 06:44 PM
BTW, Mo Williams is probably the only NBA player I hate, and even I will admit he's a good basketball player. Not an all-star, not a top 10 PG, but still a good player.

exactly...dude had like 20 pts in the first half of game 6 against celts, somehow he still got blamed

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 06:51 PM
I'm glad this clown proves everybody right about him every time. He always backstabs the team he just left. Nothing new here.

Celtics it's your turn next. Now maybe some of the people will realize why we didn't want him back in Miami.

:facepalm:

beasted86
09-04-2010, 07:36 PM
:facepalm:

What is there to facepalm about?

He dissed the Magic GM and Penny after he left Orlando, he dissed Kobe after he left the Lakers, He dissed Wade, Riley and the training staff after he left Miami, he dissed Amare and Nash talking about how his teammates were terrible defenders and he had to do everything in Phoenix, now he's dissing Mo Williams after leaving Cleveland. He's 5 out of 5 on burning bridges with the team he has left.

You are hearing it first here, but don't be surprised if he throws a tantrum, retires, and starts talking trash about the Celtics if come March he's bumped out of the rotation because Perkins, Jermaine, Garnett, and Davis all deserve to play more than him, and his minutes go down to nothing.

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 08:11 PM
What is there to facepalm about?

He dissed the Magic GM and Penny after he left Orlando, he dissed Kobe after he left the Lakers, He dissed Wade, Riley and the training staff after he left Miami, he dissed Amare and Nash talking about how his teammates were terrible defenders and he had to do everything in Phoenix, now he's dissing Mo Williams after leaving Cleveland. He's 5 out of 5 on burning bridges with the team he has left.

You are hearing it first here, but don't be surprised if he throws a tantrum, retires, and starts talking trash about the Celtics if come March he's bumped out of the rotation because Perkins, Jermaine, Garnett, and Davis all deserve to play more than him, and his minutes go down to nothing.

so what he dissed every team he played for! its part of the game so i dont care if he dissis the team or not!

xxcubs22xx
09-04-2010, 08:11 PM
What is there to facepalm about?

He dissed the Magic GM and Penny after he left Orlando, he dissed Kobe after he left the Lakers, He dissed Wade, Riley and the training staff after he left Miami, he dissed Amare and Nash talking about how his teammates were terrible defenders and he had to do everything in Phoenix, now he's dissing Mo Williams after leaving Cleveland. He's 5 out of 5 on burning bridges with the team he has left.

You are hearing it first here, but don't be surprised if he throws a tantrum, retires, and starts talking trash about the Celtics if come March he's bumped out of the rotation because Perkins, Jermaine, Garnett, and Davis all deserve to play more than him, and his minutes go down to nothing.

Right.

In all honesty, how much playing time can Jermaine O'Neal expect to get?

Theres definitely a log jam with the bigs.

Avenged
09-04-2010, 08:15 PM
What is there to facepalm about?

He dissed the Magic GM and Penny after he left Orlando, he dissed Kobe after he left the Lakers, He dissed Wade, Riley and the training staff after he left Miami, he dissed Amare and Nash talking about how his teammates were terrible defenders and he had to do everything in Phoenix, now he's dissing Mo Williams after leaving Cleveland. He's 5 out of 5 on burning bridges with the team he has left.

You are hearing it first here, but don't be surprised if he throws a tantrum, retires, and starts talking trash about the Celtics if come March he's bumped out of the rotation because Perkins, Jermaine, Garnett, and Davis all deserve to play more than him, and his minutes go down to nothing.

Don't usually agree with you, but you are actually correct on this one.

Shaq is known to come out and talk down upon his former teammates once he's left. It's not a secret how Shaq is and what he says.

I wouldn't say that he'll do the same to a Celtic once his days there are done though, but I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he does knowing his past history.

prodigy
09-04-2010, 08:17 PM
ok you got a point but dude this thread is not worthy for Mo


IDK, Mo is one of the better shooters in this league. SO ya this thread is stupid. But Mo is worth it.

I love how people act like Mo was only good because of Lebron lol.

xxcubs22xx
09-04-2010, 08:18 PM
IDK, Mo is one of the better shooters in this league. SO ya this thread is stupid. But Mo is worth it.

I love how people act like Mo was only good because of Lebron lol.

act?

Its just science.

Mo's a bum

Celtic AL
09-04-2010, 08:21 PM
IDK, Mo is one of the better shooters in this league. SO ya this thread is stupid. But Mo is worth it.

I love how people act like Mo was only good because of Lebron lol.

hes a good PG not a great PG! hes no Paul Rose Williams Rondo & westbrook thats for sure

RulerSlick
09-04-2010, 08:41 PM
IDK, Mo is one of the better shooters in this league. SO ya this thread is stupid. But Mo is worth it.

I love how people act like Mo was only good because of Lebron lol.

Mo can shoot but that's about it. He never showed up in the playoffs either and he's a terrible defender.

D Roses Bulls
09-04-2010, 09:35 PM
Im curious to see what mo does this year without lebron.

beasted86
09-04-2010, 10:25 PM
Im curious to see what mo does this year without lebron.

Probably the exact same thing he was doing in Milwaukee.

He's always been a ~17 PPG, solid FG% guy... but those stats are misleading. He's more of a role player than a 1st or 2nd option. Jamison was LeBron's first true 2nd option.

_KB24_
09-04-2010, 10:44 PM
To all of those who are saying "Now we will see how good Lebron's supporting cast was" is complete bull. Nearly half of Cleveland's rotation from last year is gone. Of course the team is going to suffer dramatically. If you simply took Bron out from last year, they would be fighting for a playoff seed last year.

RulerSlick
09-04-2010, 11:24 PM
To all of those who are saying "Now we will see how good Lebron's supporting cast was" is complete bull. Nearly half of Cleveland's rotation from last year is gone. Of course the team is going to suffer dramatically. If you simply took Bron out from last year, they would be fighting for a playoff seed last year.

What was the Cavs record last year in the games lebron didn't play?:D

Hangtime
09-04-2010, 11:57 PM
Except that Mo wasn't taking 15 shots per game, and Shaq was taking much more than 5 shots a game.

And Mo's a shooter. That's what he does.

And Shaq's a moronic whiner. That's what he does.

Give this man a cigar. Couldn't agree more. Never seen one player criticizes individuals when he suffers a lack of success with these teams he plays for. I didn't care for Mo's inconsistency in the playoff but don't bash the guy for Cleveland's failures. Bad coaching, bad matchups, and a number of other things costed them their title hopes. I can't wait to see which Celtics he throws under the bus once he leaves the game.

Tony_Starks
09-05-2010, 12:09 AM
I thought Mo was always cool, not super great but definitely not as garbage as everyone makes him out to be. He has game but just sucks at creating his own shot. They didn't really have a legit post player to open it up for him. When Lebron would hook him up with good looks he was a knock down shooter.

Raidaz4Life
09-05-2010, 12:21 AM
I think Mo Williams is going to have a fantastic year as well as the rest of the Cavs now that Lebron isn't holding everyone back.

ALL_i-Do_is-Win
09-05-2010, 12:26 AM
I think Mo Williams is going to have a fantastic year as well as the rest of the Cavs now that Lebron isn't holding everyone back.

lmao ;)
yep you know it

Jewelz0376
09-05-2010, 01:48 AM
I think Mo Williams is going to have a fantastic year as well as the rest of the Cavs now that Lebron isn't holding everyone back.

Cavs are still going to be a decent team for the simple fact that they have Byron Scott as their coach...

JasonJohnHorn
09-05-2010, 09:19 AM
Mo Williams is a solid point guard, no doubt. He's not top five in the league or anything like that, but with the Bucks he put together a few good seasons and that was why the Cavs even wanted him, so obviously the guy can ball.

Should he be taking fifteen shots a game on a team that has LBJ, Shaq and Jamison? Maybe not, but the Cavs didnt have any better shooters on the wing to kick it out to when LBJ gets the double team and there are no open guys in the post, so.... who else are you going to pass it to? West? Moon? Parker? He took that many shots because he was the best player in a weak backcourt.

THE MTL
09-05-2010, 02:04 PM
Mo Williams still is one of the best PG's for Lebron James in the league. I would say between him, Nash, S. Curry.

Chronz
09-05-2010, 03:08 PM
Mo Williams was a good fit next to Lebron.. Is he overated YES.. Is Shaq being a douche YES... That team needed another star to win it all but let's not act like that team didn't win a lot of games... Playoffs are a different animal and James weaknesses were exposed as much as his teammates.. Keep LBJ out the paint and CLe loses. LBJ is a great player but that jumpshot still needs work.. It did improve a lot and it needs to be better this year if Miami wants to win it all..

What do you mean act like that team didnt win alot of games. Im pretty sure we're all aware of simple Win-Loss records. Keep LBJ out the paint and Cleveland loses? Is much more complex than that, Brons weaknesses werent exposed as badly as his teammates thats for sure. Bron doesnt need to change a damn thing to win a title.



Seriously though, Shaq is known for this kind of stuff and has said stuff about his former teammates throughout.

If Shaq really has a problem with the guys he plays with, he should really come out during his time with the team in my opinion. No reason to basically "talk behind their backs".

Eh, I guess it's just me, but I'm just not a fan of that type of stuff. Him being a veteran, he should know better and just play the game.
Umm he did that as well and people labeled him a chemistry killer, this time he waits till hes off the team and now hes talking behind their backs? There is no win when a player speaks his mind. Him being a vet means hes built the rep to speak his mind. What bugs you I find refreshing.


Couldn't agree with you more
Pretty sad



Mo Williams numbers went down next to Lebron.

But hey Shaq, Remember all those layups you blew? ya thats why you were only getting 4 shots lol. You were on the cavs for one reason, Howard, thats it.
Prove it



exactly...dude had like 20 pts in the first half of game 6 against celts, somehow he still got blamed
LOL probably because we look at more than 1 moment of a game.


To all of those who are saying "Now we will see how good Lebron's supporting cast was" is complete bull. Nearly half of Cleveland's rotation from last year is gone. Of course the team is going to suffer dramatically. If you simply took Bron out from last year, they would be fighting for a playoff seed last year.
Nice try but it doesnt work if the bigs stay healthy. All those players that are gone Bron didnt even need to continue winning, and didnt they add Sessions and upgrade their coaching? Your excuse only flies if the availability of their bigs is compromised.

Had Bron not left and the roster was just as different this team would still win 60+ so stop the hate.

The Final Boss
09-05-2010, 03:24 PM
Win a ring for "The King." lmao Shaq is clown.

_Supreme_
09-05-2010, 03:26 PM
Shaq's new line of work after he retires from basketball: professional bridge-burner.

YoungOne
09-05-2010, 03:27 PM
i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.

wow, u really believe this?

Asham
09-05-2010, 03:33 PM
Shaq is the greatest basketball player ever to play the game. When he speaks, everybody must listen.

Gators123
09-05-2010, 04:41 PM
no response. Too much respect for big fella. I just feel sorry he felt that way. I was honored to play with him and bron

http://api.twitter.com/mogotti2/status/23079307873

Avenged
09-05-2010, 05:11 PM
Umm he did that as well and people labeled him a chemistry killer, this time he waits till hes off the team and now hes talking behind their backs? There is no win when a player speaks his mind. Him being a vet means hes built the rep to speak his mind. What bugs you I find refreshing.

There is no win when a player constantly makes rude remarks about his former teammates. You liking what Shaq says about his teammates doesn't make it any more right. He shouldn't be opening his mouth in the first place in my opinion.

AllKohn
09-05-2010, 05:51 PM
I love Shaq

TKTGIFT216
09-05-2010, 06:19 PM
i expect the Cavs to still be in the run for the playoffs and have a winning record. if they get into the playoffs and have a winning record...it'll prove how great of team the Cavs had, how much of a crybaby Lebron was, and how much Lebron screwed them over. Lebron up and leaving is like Duncan up and leaving during San Antonio's championship years. it'll make people mad because they = the team which = the city.
Finally someone who understands that Lebron Crippled the Cavs almost as much as he helped. The Cavs can be a playoff team if they play right and Gel- right. It kills me how someone of Shaq's Caliber can take a shot at Mo a player that unlike shaq wont be in the Hall of fame someday. Mo is a player earning his way yea he's not elite but if you put a fantasy team together he would be considered as a backup PG for is ability. Shaq us going to the Celtics to sit the bench and collect some cash. I like Shaq but come on big dog either you got it or you dont. MJ learned that. Shaq should take note. He helped the Cavs last year and i hope he helps the Celtics with thier LA Woes but leave the Cavs be we dont need a former player we made feel welcome here backshoting us cause he's with a BETTER team now. This aint high school!

philab
09-05-2010, 06:26 PM
Where is all this "Mo is cocky,""Mo has a big ego" stuff coming from?

Say what you want about his game, overrated, whatever, but the guy is a class act. Don't just make **** up because it sounds good.

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 06:50 PM
What was the Cavs record last year in the games lebron didn't play?:D

still waiting:speechless:

BkOriginalOne
09-05-2010, 06:50 PM
Mo Williams more or less = Jameer Nelson

TKTGIFT216
09-05-2010, 06:53 PM
still waiting:speechless:
Regardless of the Record without him; you can't build team chemistry when your star is immature and doesnt buy into the coaching method.

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 06:58 PM
Regardless of the Record without him; you can't build team chemistry when your star is immature and doesnt buy into the coaching method.

what coaching method? The same one where all they did was give the ball to Lebron and wait for him to make something out of nothing? The same coaching method that had all of those cavs fans and the media getting on Brown for having no clue on what to do on offense? (Brown said he only coaches one side of the floor!!! hahah ) The same one where everytime Lebron would sit they would look like utter trash? The same one where they couldn't even beat bottom feeders when lebron would sit out even while being a 60 win type team? :D Great coaching methods!!

TKTGIFT216
09-05-2010, 07:17 PM
what coaching method? The same one where all they did was give the ball to Lebron and wait for him to make something out of nothing? The same coaching method that had all of those cavs fans and the media getting on Brown for having no clue on what to do on offense? (Brown said he only coaches one side of the floor!!! hahah ) The same one where everytime Lebron would sit they would look like utter trash? The same one where they couldn't even beat bottom feeders when lebron would sit out even while being a 60 win type team? :D Great coaching methods!!
Like i said when a team chemistry is unbalanced by a player you cant gel or learn how each other plays together. Coach brown wasn't running the offense if you knew cavs basketball. He was a defensive minded coach. 2nd Lebron broke the call of plays and called his number in audible fashion every time by touching the middle of his jersey. Plays were called i dont see KOBE, DWADE, or D Howard at the top of the key telling everyone move out my way and watch ME make something out og nothing yes my friend that is the LEBRON King James Offense that mike brown was payed to give into! Look at the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers they have YRS! of chemistry each sacraficing for a common Goal the Ring! So dont hate on Mike brown he knew his weakness and gave it to his assistant who was capable of runinng the offense but our defense was good you didnt say that o yea thats right Mike Brown only was a Defensive coach on most his previous team Spurs(Champs)(Chemistry) need i say more. To talk about the media is a waist of time. They cycle old news just to keep making money. Lebron Was an Idol Here but it showed how we as sports fan get so wrapped up in a good thing that all else falls to the wayside. As far as not beating bottom feeders its any given night pimp in the NBA You win some You lose some. We still had the best Record at the end of the Season(listening..............)

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Like i said when a team chemistry is unbalanced by a player you cant gel or learn how each other plays together. Coach brown wasn't running the offense if you knew cavs basketball. He was a defensive minded coach. 2nd Lebron broke the call of plays and called his number in audible fashion every time by touching the middle of his jersey.

The Cavs offense was lebron...the team had no creativity on offense


Plays were called i dont see KOBE, DWADE, or D Howard at the top of the key telling everyone move out my way and watch ME make something out og nothing yes my friend that is the LEBRON King James Offense

I don't know if you watched the Heat but they played basically D Wade ball..which was basically 1 against 5 , Wade taking on the other which was very similar to Cavs ball.


that mike brown was payed to give into! Look at the Spurs, Celtics, Lakers they have YRS! of chemistry each sacraficing for a common Goal the Ring!

Celtic and Lakers actually ran real offenses with the lakers actually even winning inspit of Kobe's chucking. KObe was the only superstar in the league who could play god awful for 10-15 game stretches and the Lakers still win!!



So dont hate on Mike brown he knew his weakness and gave it to his assistant who was capable of runinng the offense but our defense was good you didnt say that o yea thats right Mike Brown only was a Defensive coach on most his previous team Spurs(Champs)(Chemistry) need i say more.

The game is 2 is played on 2 sides of the ball my friend:cool:



As far as not beating bottom feeders its any given night pimp in the NBA You win some You lose some.

No, no 60 win team is suppose to consistently struggle against bottom feeders even when their best player is struggling or sitting out. Like I said, I've Kobe have god awful stretches for 10-15 games and the lakers still win. The reason why? Better supporting cast and a better overall system.


We still had the best Record at the end of the Season(listening..............)

Yes, with lebron in the lineup. Im still waiting on that win/loss record for games Lebron didn't play.:D

MackSnackWrap
09-05-2010, 07:45 PM
pretty harsh, but I think the world, and PSD, will see how crappy LeBron's cast really was this upcoming season.

So True hahahahha people finally understand how terrible his supporting cast was

TKTGIFT216
09-05-2010, 07:47 PM
Man we could go all day at this like i said you think you know Cavs ball and there was Creativity but with 23 the creativeness was a clear lane and a dunk. You can have this one cause im tierd of talking to a brick wall. You might wanna do a little more digging on the Celtic and Laker Offenses yes if Kobe sucked on any night the Famous TRI-angle offense was designed not to run thru one but all players. The celtics play a pick and move motion Offense. but your right we sucked without lebron and Chemistry. yea 60 win teams shouldnt lose to bottom feeders but when your spot is a lock why overdue it your season isnt over theirs is. Nice talk Ruler.

dodie53
09-05-2010, 08:42 PM
i think Mo will suck this coming season

llemon
09-05-2010, 08:54 PM
The Cavs offense was lebron...the team had no creativity on offense



I don't know if you watched the Heat but they played basically D Wade ball..which was basically 1 against 5 , Wade taking on the other which was very similar to Cavs ball.

But Wade does it so much better.

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 09:19 PM
But Wade does it so much better.

Considering lebron has two 50 seasons and two 60 wins (consecutive best record in the league) seasons doing this, I would argue he does it better.

llemon
09-05-2010, 09:26 PM
Considering lebron has two 50 seasons and two 60 wins (consecutive best record in the league) seasons doing this, I would argue he does it better.

Argue what you like.

But maybe you should watch some games and learn

D Roses Bulls
09-05-2010, 09:44 PM
But Wade does it so much better.

agreed....... wade was the heart and soul of that team. look what he has done with the talent he has had.

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 09:48 PM
Argue what you like.

But maybe you should watch some games and learn

I clearly watched and what my eyes saw clearly supports my belief. Those back to back all time 30 + PER's just even add more proof. 50FG% even while chucking 4-5 threes per game.

llemon
09-05-2010, 09:53 PM
I clearly watched and what my eyes saw clearly supports my belief. Those back to back all time 30 + PER's just even add more proof. 50FG% even while chucking 4-5 threes per game.

If you can't see the difference, then that's on you.

You want to give me numbers as opposed to actuality, so please, you continue your 'perception'.

Hate to kill anyone's good time.

RulerSlick
09-05-2010, 10:51 PM
You want to give me numbers as opposed to actuality,

Those numbers are actuality though. Are you say those numbers are fake/pretend?:D

HakeemTheDream
09-06-2010, 12:28 AM
People always ignore that Bulls were a 55 win team without Jordan, and Kobe missed the playoffs in 2005 when he had a supporting cast like Lebron's. This Cavs team will probably win less than 25 wins next season lol finally people will see how bad this supporting cast was, all this fallacious talk about how Lebron is the reason they couldn't win will finally come to an end.