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asandhu23
08-31-2010, 03:12 AM
Obama versus Ahmadinejad

lol jk


Game discussions now. Key players for team Iran?

PraiseJesus
08-31-2010, 03:19 AM
Go Iran

alencp3
08-31-2010, 06:28 AM
Haddadi will destroy Odom

NYKalltheway
08-31-2010, 08:30 AM
Iran and Tunisia are there just to fill the group.
Iran has 1-2 good players, specially that center Haddai, but Tunisia is a very bad team.

USA could beat the Iranians by 40 points honestly.

king4day
08-31-2010, 09:48 AM
This will be a good breather for team US. It'll let the coaches see the rotation a bit more. Guys like Gordon and Curry should see more time.

DaBUU
08-31-2010, 10:33 AM
Is this the next game? I thought they had one this afternoon

Hellcrooner
08-31-2010, 10:53 AM
boring game wont watch.

100 -35 score or something like that, big bolw out definetly not my thing

asandhu23
08-31-2010, 11:02 AM
Is this the next game? I thought they had one this afternoon

on team usa's website, it says this game :shrug:

97NYer
08-31-2010, 11:12 AM
When is this game?

Hellcrooner
08-31-2010, 11:16 AM
tomorroe i think

GoatMilk
08-31-2010, 12:09 PM
Is Hamed "Who's your" Haddadi playing?

John Walls Era
08-31-2010, 12:11 PM
The 2008 team would score 100+ easy vs Iran and beat them by at least 50. Team USA should win this one by 30.

DaBUU
08-31-2010, 12:21 PM
The game is on tomorrow at 11 am (CST).

dnewguy
08-31-2010, 12:26 PM
Durrant should rest.

Mr Moody
08-31-2010, 12:52 PM
Durrant should rest.

+1, he played 39 min last game.

DaBUU
08-31-2010, 03:27 PM
if im okc, im worried about the minutes Durant is logging

GSW Hoops
08-31-2010, 03:30 PM
if im okc, im worried about the minutes Durant is logging

Good point, but luckily for them the tournament is only a few weeks long, so he'll have some time to rest before the NBA season.

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 11:47 AM
game in 13 minutes. :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:
also FREE IRAN!

dickydick8
09-01-2010, 12:07 PM
game just started. should be a blow out. anybody else watching this match? its on espn and espn3.com

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:09 PM
game just started. should be a blow out. anybody else watching this match?

:) me!

Gators123
09-01-2010, 12:09 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I forgot about it!

dickydick8
09-01-2010, 12:10 PM
yeah just started lots of sloppy play!

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:11 PM
Nice D!

billyocean15
09-01-2010, 12:11 PM
I don't know if I can watch a team with Andre Iguodala on it.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:12 PM
Billups!!!

king4day
09-01-2010, 12:14 PM
I like the Iran PG. Seems very aggressive.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Nice Defense so far.

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 12:14 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528207

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:16 PM
http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=528207

Someone is mad they aren't using his forum!

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:16 PM
This should be a cake walk.

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 12:17 PM
gosh i wish they would play Klove more.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Gordon,Rose and Durant have been our fresh breath in this game. Dudes have been sick!

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 12:18 PM
Someone is mad they aren't using his forum!

People were using it until some mod decided to move it

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 12:18 PM
DAMMIT PLAY STEPHEN CuRRY

billyocean15
09-01-2010, 12:18 PM
All the superstars better come back for the olympics in 2012

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:19 PM
I am impressed with gays d!

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:19 PM
Iran look ****ing terrible.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:19 PM
People were using it until some mod decided to move it

I was joking, I have used all your Fiba threads. Screw who moved it ;)

king4day
09-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Just wait until this US team starts deciding to take this game seriously. They're already starting to pull away with the second/3rd units

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:20 PM
Irans captain is Marty Comeonme?

dickydick8
09-01-2010, 12:20 PM
stephan curry is in! game looks real sloppy, lots of flying bodies.

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 12:21 PM
anyway... game's available on p2p4u.net or atdhe.net if you are away from a tv.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Is the US the only team that has PG's that refuse to pass the ball?

This isolation play frustrates me beyond reason.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:22 PM
Curry needs to play a little Sharper!

dnewguy
09-01-2010, 12:23 PM
Let me get this straight....so without Durrant we will be actually losing to Iran?

asandhu23
09-01-2010, 12:24 PM
Is the US the only team that has PG's that refuse to pass the ball?

This isolation play frustrates me beyond reason.

yes. stephen curry is like the only one willing.

dnewguy
09-01-2010, 12:25 PM
Is the US the only team that has PG's that refuse to pass the ball?

This isolation play frustrates me beyond reason.

Thought I am the only one that noticed it, our best passer seems to be Billups. Rose is like Iverson, he wants everyone to set picks for him so he can score....he ain't no pg IMO.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:26 PM
Gordon!

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:27 PM
I Wanna see K Love get more Mins. man!

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Thought I am the only one that noticed it, our best passer seems to be Billups. Rose is like Iverson, he wants everyone to set picks for him so he can score....he ain't no pg IMO.

Billups was doing well in the 4th of the Brazil game. Driving and kicking it out. Thats what Rose needs to do ALL game IMO.

Bullsfan22
09-01-2010, 12:28 PM
WOW curry smh

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Iran look like a bunch or middle school kids going up against NBA players

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Billups was doing well in the 4th of the Brazil game. Driving and kicking it out. Thats what Rose needs to do ALL game IMO.

With the great shooters we have it should be Drive and Kick all day!

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:29 PM
I Wanna see K Love get more Mins. man!

He should get every one of Odom's mins.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Botching a fancy pass when a simple one would suffice has to be at the top of the most embarrassing things to do in a basketball game

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
He should get every one of Odom's mins.

You mean Mr Inconsistent Hell yeah! he should!

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:30 PM
Botching a fancy pass when a simple one would suffice has to be at the top of the most embarrassing things to do in a basketball game

I know Poor Curry He has to feel stupid.

Jetsguy
09-01-2010, 12:31 PM
Irans captain is Marty Comeonme?

Not watching the game but please tell me this is true

billyocean15
09-01-2010, 12:32 PM
K. Love, the whitest man on the floor

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:33 PM
K. Love, the whitest man on the floor

By far! lol

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:34 PM
K. Love, the whitest man on the floor

And making the best of his chances lol.

They just said he average 28 rebs per 40 mins.

Thats ****in absurd lol.

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Rubio and love would make a very good 1 2 punch.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:36 PM
Suck it up and get up babies!

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:36 PM
I like the brazil game better.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Rubio and love would make a very good 1 2 punch.

Indeeeed!

arkanian215
09-01-2010, 12:37 PM
Pretty much what I expected from this game so far.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:38 PM
Love is a ****ing monster, he's gonna destroy next year in the NBA.

Oh and from what I've seen so far, my sig doesn't lie.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 12:38 PM
I got a lot of love for Stephen Curry no homo but his performances for USA is seriously disappointing me

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
Leave love in not ODOM! lol

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:39 PM
Rose with the turnover, followed by getting beat off the dribble on the other end... Amazing.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:41 PM
Rose with the turnover, followed by getting beat off the dribble on the other end... Amazing.

hahahah Rose needs to go home

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:42 PM
hahahah Rose needs to go home

And another one hahahah

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:42 PM
If USA had Dwight and Horford instead of Chandler and Odom. We would be dominating we a lil need size!

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:42 PM
Rose is so ****ing overrated. My god...

Oh, and Durant's incredible.

billyocean15
09-01-2010, 12:42 PM
mmm that was pretty movement

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
I notice that a lot of these Fiba teams can't make back to back baskets. It's always make one miss 4 Make 1 miss 3

billyocean15
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
Rose is so ****ing overrated. My god...

Oh, and Durant's incredible.
Rose really is overrated. I'm gonna have to agree with your sig

Gators123
09-01-2010, 12:43 PM
The team would be a lot better with Rondo on it.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Rose is so ****ing overrated. My god...

Oh, and Durant's incredible.

I was thinking the exact same thing just now

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:45 PM
Rose is so ****ing overrated. My god...

Oh, and Durant's incredible.

Rose was used to carrying his team last year, He doesn't need to do that here. He seems like he could be AI version 2.0, He wants to be the main outlet the Offense is ran though. When it's obvious USA's Leader and outlet is Durant!

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Gay with 2 blocks!

Gators123
09-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Rose on the blacktop
Rondo on the hardwood

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:47 PM
Rose on the blacktop
Rondo on the hardwood

Rondo would have 12 assist already haha.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Atleast the US is looking like they want to actually win this one.

Love and Durant were the best of the half for sure.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 12:49 PM
Love is a ****ing monster, he's gonna destroy next year in the NBA. No doubt.


Oh and from what I've seen so far, my sig doesn't lie.Funny, I could've sworn Rose was averaging more points per game, more rebounds per game, more assists per game, shooting a higher % from 2, shooting 33.3% from 3 (Westbrook hasn't taken -- or made, idk -- any), and shooting a higher free throw % than Russel.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:49 PM
Rondo would have 12 assist already haha.

Rose had 2 assists against Brazil. Thats pretty lame for team USA's starting 1.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:51 PM
Rose had 2 assists against Brazil. Thats pretty lame for team USA's starting 1.

Yea, Gotta get your team involved more! Gotta trust each other!

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 12:51 PM
I would be surprised if Rose's team USA stats are better than Westbrook's, because everytime Westbrook touches the ball all I see is explosive action. Dude looks like he's trying to make another remake of the A team

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 12:51 PM
I see some people really want to get the Bulls fan started.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 12:52 PM
I would be surprised if Rose's team USA stats are better than Westbrook's, because everytime Westbrook touches the ball all I see is explosive action

Westbrook has indeed been a breath of fresh air. And he looks for his team mates also!

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:54 PM
No doubt.

Funny, I could've sworn Rose was averaging more points per game, more rebounds per game, more assists per game, shooting a higher % from 2, shooting 33.3% from 3 (Westbrook hasn't taken -- or made, idk -- any), and shooting a higher free throw % than Russel.

Funny, I could've sworn I kept seeing Rose gettting beat on defense, turning the ball over multiple times, and getting more minutes than Westbrook.

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 12:54 PM
I am so sick of Klove getting any barely playing time when he dominates when he is in.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:56 PM
I see some people really want to get the Bulls fan started.

It's not that I purposefully want to set off Bulls fans, it's more me making observations as to how much praise he gets when a large portion of it is unprecedented.

TheTakeOver24
09-01-2010, 12:57 PM
Our half court offense still lacks any fluidity. I actually think the best option would be to run the offense through KLove bcuz of his passing ability.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 12:58 PM
I am so sick of Klove getting any barely playing time when he dominates when he is in.

I agree. Why he is not starting is beyond me...

I can't wait for him to take the league by storm on the T'Wolves this season. He's going to lead the league in rebounding, I'm calling it.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 12:59 PM
I see some people really want to get the Bulls fan started.

Has nothing to do with the bulls, he is playing like garbage.

He refuses to pass as the starting point guard but blows multiple layups at the rim, He has more TO's than assists and he regularly gets beat off the dribble by gaurds from third world countries.

If it were another player getting all these minutes at PG and producing similar results we would bash him too. I'm just wondering how long Roses and Coach K's bromance will last.

It's not about hating Rose, its about wanting the US to win this tournament.

DaBUU
09-01-2010, 12:59 PM
It's not that I purposefully want to set off Bulls fans, it's more me making observations as to how much praise he gets when a large portion of it is unprecedented.

Pretty sure you using that word wrong, think you meant unjustified, but yes hes playing like crap. This isnt the Derrick Rose from the Bulls we're watching right now.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 12:59 PM
Funny, I could've sworn I kept seeing Rose gettting beat on defense, Yeah, his defense needs improvement. We all know this.
turning the ball over multiple timesWho isn't? In 50 minutes of play, Westbrook has turned the ball over 5 times. In 72 minutes, Rose has turned it over 7.
and getting more minutes than Westbrook.Because he's the better player and deserves those minutes?

:catfight:

Slimsim
09-01-2010, 01:01 PM
Billups Does look old playing with all these young Athletic Guards

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:01 PM
Our half court offense still lacks any fluidity. I actually think the best option would be to run the offense through KLove bcuz of his passing ability.

we cant do that if he barely plays. But yes, i agree. The guy is a beast.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 01:01 PM
Pretty sure you using that word wrong, think you meant unjustified, but yes hes playing like crap. This isnt the Derrick Rose from the Bulls we're watching right now.

Oh damn, how embarrassing. Yeah, unjustified is the word I was looking for, sorry about that.

And I know it's no the same Rose as we've seen in the NBA, but regardless, it's not a very good showing.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:02 PM
I wouldn't blurt out Rose is better than Westbrook like there isn't an argument to say otherwise

Hawkeye15
09-01-2010, 01:02 PM
I agree. Why he is not starting is beyond me...

I can't wait for him to take the league by storm on the T'Wolves this season. He's going to lead the league in rebounding, I'm calling it.

If Love plays 33+ mpg he could easily take the crown from Dwight

DaBUU
09-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Oh damn, how embarrassing. Yeah, unjustified is the word I was looking for, sorry about that.

And I know it's no the same Rose as we've seen in the NBA, but regardless, it's not a very good showing.

I unfortunately have to agree, disappointed in the offensive flow, hes the starting PG so hes responsible for that.

thescore53
09-01-2010, 01:03 PM
score check

Baller1
09-01-2010, 01:03 PM
Yeah, his defense needs improvement. We all know this. Who isn't? In 50 minutes of play, Westbrook has turned the ball over 5 times. In 72 minutes, Rose has turned it over 7. Because he's the better player and deserves those minutes?

:catfight:

Rose is the better scorer, Westbrook is the better player.

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
If Love plays 33+ mpg he could easily take the crown from Dwight

totally agree hawk.

Gators123
09-01-2010, 01:04 PM
USA on top 48-28

DaBUU
09-01-2010, 01:05 PM
totally agree hawk.

I agree with both of you. KLove is going to be an All Star this year.

Baller1
09-01-2010, 01:06 PM
If Love plays 33+ mpg he could easily take the crown from Dwight

And I see no reason as to why he wouldn't get 33 minutes.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2010, 01:06 PM
I agree with both of you. KLove is going to be an All Star this year.

down the line I agree, but even 18/13 on a losing team will get ignored.

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:07 PM
I think he will too, But i would assume Beasley will get some minutes at PF also.

DaBUU
09-01-2010, 01:08 PM
down the line I agree, but even 18/13 on a losing team will get ignored.

true, Minny stinking it up could hold him back. I still think hes capapble of gettin the coaches nod this year. Either way he gets there eventually, tough player.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:08 PM
If Love plays 33+ mpg he could easily take the crown from Dwight

I wouldn't say EASILY

Baller1
09-01-2010, 01:08 PM
I unfortunately have to agree, disappointed in the offensive flow, hes the starting PG so hes responsible for that.

I've stated it multiple times on this site, I really have no hate for Rose. It's more directed at his over obsessive, overly confident fans that get on my nerves and cause me to want to root against him. But personally, Rose has no reason to receive my hate, he's an incredible basketball player.

Hawkeye15
09-01-2010, 01:09 PM
I wouldn't say EASILY

haha, alright. But he could take it away.

thekmp211
09-01-2010, 01:13 PM
billups should start at the point, start eric gordon and make rose the nba-style 6th man. why not give it a shot. rose shouldn't be running this offense.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:18 PM
Does anyone else think Steph Curry looks really nervous out there?

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:21 PM
Everytime Curry comes into the game I'm like FINALLY!

And then I see him play and I'm like WHAT'S WRONG WITH HIM?

TheTakeOver24
09-01-2010, 01:23 PM
Question: if you could add one player to this team from the 08 team, who would it be? Kobe? Wade? Bron? Howard? Other?

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:23 PM
#5 on Iran has a look like he's going to burst into tears at any minute lol

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:23 PM
billups should start at the point, start eric gordon and make rose the nba-style 6th man. why not give it a shot. rose shouldn't be running this offense.

amen:worthy:

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Question: if you could add one player to this team from the 08 team, who would it be? Kobe? Wade? Bron? Howard? Other?Howard

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:24 PM
Howard

yup

Gators123
09-01-2010, 01:25 PM
Question: if you could add one player to this team from the 08 team, who would it be? Kobe? Wade? Bron? Howard? Other?

Howard would make the most sense IMO.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 01:25 PM
Howard


yup

Hands Down, I said this like on page 2 lol.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:26 PM
Speaking of Howard, why isn't he playing? He wasn't a free agent, didn't have any injuries to heal/surgeries to rehab from...

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 01:27 PM
I am so impressed with Gordon,Gay and Loves performance. Gays contact isn't looking bad when he is playing, Even both sides of floor his d looks good.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Speaking of Howard, why isn't he playing? He wasn't a free agent, didn't have any injuries to heal/surgeries to rehab from...

Cause non of there other superstars did. I think its sad he should be there and we would be favored hands down.

xbrackattackx
09-01-2010, 01:29 PM
Anyone else notice these announcers hate the USA? They never say good things about our players and Laugh when they mess up.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:30 PM
Wade Lebron and Bosh were the 3 best players for Team USA so I think it's ignorant to pick anyone other than one of those 3

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:30 PM
awsome, Klove is back in.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:31 PM
Anyone else notice these announcers hate the USA? They never say good things about our players and Laugh when they mess up.The ESPN announcers, right? Yeah, Fran's a real cool guy :rolleyes:

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:31 PM
Wade Lebron and Bosh were the 3 best players for Team USA so I think it's ignorant to pick anyone other than one of those 3Howard fills bigger need

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Wade Lebron and Bosh were the 3 best players for Team USA so I think it's ignorant to pick anyone other than one of those 3

It would be ignorant?

The last thing USA needs is another wing playing isolation or another PF playing C that can't defend.

Look up the definition of ignorant LOL

thescore53
09-01-2010, 01:35 PM
curry is special

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:35 PM
Howard fills bigger need

You're over emphasizing that need, remember this is FIBA basketball where the average big man is a lot weaker (hence the fact Bosh looked like a legit center out there) and the ability to shoot and make it harder for those zone defenses is a great attribute

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Klove is amazing lol.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Great sequence :clap::clap:

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Love is the 2nd best player on the team so far in this tourny. Its a crime he doesnt get the mins.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:40 PM
It would be ignorant?

The last thing USA needs is another wing playing isolation or another PF playing C that can't defend.

Look up the definition of ignorant LOL

Did you even watch the Olympics? Wade did most of his damage with hustle plays, not isolation plays. Bosh rarely, RARELY ever proved to be a defensive liability despite playing most his minutes at center and he CLEARLY outplayed Howard

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 01:41 PM
Love is the 2nd best player on the team so far in this tourny. Its a crime he doesnt get the mins.He will now, lol

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:42 PM
^hopefully, he has been doing good everytime he steps on the court that i have seen in this tourny, but he has yet to get many minutes.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:42 PM
Did you even watch the Olympics? Wade did most of his damage with hustle plays, not isolation plays. Bosh rarely, RARELY ever proved to be a defensive liability and he CLEARLY outplayed Howard

Im confused at the question then....

I thought the question was who would you take for THIS years team. Considering the roster in place now, Howard would be the guy to make this team better.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:45 PM
Im confused at the question then....

I thought the question was who would you take for THIS years team. Considering the roster in place now, Howard would be the guy to make this team better.

How don't you understand this? FIBA basketball is different to the NBA, and in FIBA basketball Howard isn't anywhere near as good or valuable as he in the NBA

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:46 PM
How don't you understand this? FIBA basketball is different to the NBA, and in FIBA basketball Howard isn't anywhere near as good or valuable as he in the NBA

I understand they are different games but i refuse to believe Bosh would be a bigger uprade over Love than Howard over Chandler.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:47 PM
Let me dumb it down for you.

In the NBA Howard >>>>>>> Bosh

In FIBA basketball Bosh > Howard

does that make sense?

WolvesJagsOs
09-01-2010, 01:48 PM
I understand they are different games but i refuse to believe Bosh would be a bigger uprade over Love than Howard over Chandler.

totally agree. Klove has been one of the best players for team usa.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
I understand they are different games but i refuse to believe Bosh would be a bigger uprade over Love than Howard over Chandler.

No wonder you're confused, you're comparing NBA PF's and NBA Centers. But in FIBA basketball most centers can shoot (it breaks up zone defenses) so NBA PF's = FIBA centers

tcav701
09-01-2010, 01:49 PM
Let me dumb it down for you.

In the NBA Howard >>>>>>> Bosh

In FIBA basketball Bosh > Howard

does that make sense?

Just like Rose/Westbrook/Curry>Rondo in FIBA?

The team is missing someone to run the offense and a defensive enforcer right now. Are you watching the games?

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:53 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if KLove is a better FIBA player than Howard too. Howard is horrible for FIBA basketball

Hawkeye15
09-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Love is perfect for FIBA. Good shooter, passer, and rebounder for bigs

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Just like Rose/Westbrook/Curry>Rondo in FIBA?

The team is missing someone to run the offense and a defensive enforcer right now. Are you watching the games?

Yeah I'm watching the games and I see Team USA doing much, MUCH better when KLove is playing center rather than Chandler. Not only is KLove doing a great job defending their centers (much better than he would do vs NBA centers) but he also has a beautiful stroke from long range which is giving the zone defenses fits (which is obviously something Howard would not do)

tcav701
09-01-2010, 02:01 PM
Yeah I'm watching the games and I see Team USA doing much, MUCH better when KLove is playing center rather than Chandler. Not only is KLove doing a great job defending their centers (much better than he would do vs NBA centers) but he also has a beautiful stroke from long range which is giving the zone defenses fits (which is obviously something Howard would not do)

Read this whole post, everyone including myself loves the job Love is doing.

If i could take one player it would be a gaurd that isnt allergic to passing. But other than that its Howard. Chandler is on the team to defend the Splitters and Gasols. Howard would eliminate these centers that are taking a dump on our defenders down low so far. And yes shooting is important in a zone but you dont need 5 shooters on the floor at all times. Dumping the ball down low to a 7 footer would cause the defense to collapse on him leaving at least 2 shooters spotted up for 3. Dwight already plays on a team of shooter that feed of him kicking it out. How would this be different?

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 02:01 PM
It's very clear that Team USA goes to sleep sometimes intensity wise and aren't attacking the rim enough (Westbrook and Rose are inconsistent) so it's blindingly obvious that Wade would be the best upgrade for this team. As for the big men, all they need to do is give KLove more minutes

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 02:03 PM
Read this whole post, everyone including myself loves the job Love is doing.

If i could take one player it would be a gaurd that isnt allergic to passing. But other than that its Howard. Chandler is on the team to defend the Splitters and Gasols. Howard would eliminate these centers that are taking a dump on our defenders down low so far. And yes shooting is important in a zone but you dont need 5 shooters on the floor at all times. Dumping the ball down low to a 7 footer would cause the defense to collapse on him leaving at least 2 shooters spotted up for 3. Dwight already plays on a team of shooter that feed of him kicking it out. How would this be different?

Westbrook and Rose are the 2 leading guards and neither are great 3pt shooters so you can't compare Team USA to Orlando Magic -- plus Coach K and SVG have very different styles and philosophies

And I disagree that Marc Gasol and Splitter would destroy Kevin Love, it will be the other way around

tcav701
09-01-2010, 02:08 PM
Westbrook and Rose are the 2 leading guards and neither are great 3pt shooters so you can't compare Team USA to Orlando Magic -- plus Coach K and SVG have very different styles and philosophies

And I disagree that Marc Gasol and Splitter would destroy Kevin Love, it will be the other way around

Never said they will but we wont know untill he gets out there. But wouldnt it be better if it was Love or Howard on the floor at all times? Because Chandler and Odom are getting bullied by opposing centers.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 02:38 PM
Never said they will but we wont know untill he gets out there. But wouldnt it be better if it was Love or Howard on the floor at all times? Because Chandler and Odom are getting bullied by opposing centers.

Yeah, if I was coach K I would just have Kevin Love play major minutes at center. I don't think Chandler should get much time at all because he's more of a liability than an asset if you ask me

Meaze_Gibson
09-01-2010, 02:50 PM
If I could add a for this years squad it would have to be Bosh. Bosh in International play guarded the pick n roll like a young kg. the opposing guards weren't splitting like how they do Chandler and Odom. He rebounds well, has length, and has the mid range shot which could open the floor. Next tho would probably be cp or d will. Team USA are in dire need of leadership at the pg position.

HakeemTheDream
09-01-2010, 03:01 PM
If I could add a for this years squad it would have to be Bosh. Bosh in International play guarded the pick n roll like a young kg. the opposing guards weren't splitting like how they do Chandler and Odom. He rebounds well, has length, and has the mid range shot which could open the floor. Next tho would probably be cp or d will. Team USA are in dire need of leadership at the pg position.

Billups?

Meaze_Gibson
09-01-2010, 03:06 PM
Billups has been playin more like a 2. He has been shooting 3's at very random moments and doesnt push the tempo off the break like cp or dwill can.

Draco
09-01-2010, 04:29 PM
Complaining about Rose (and his stats) in a blowout game in which his stats are clearly better than some of the other guards on the teams is pure silliness.. but hey, as long as Team USA wins and coach K has the confidence in Rose to have him start then it's all good.

mets77
09-01-2010, 04:33 PM
go usa we won easily

tcav701
09-01-2010, 08:32 PM
Complaining about Rose (and his stats) in a blowout game in which his stats are clearly better than some of the other guards on the teams is pure silliness.. but hey, as long as Team USA wins and coach K has the confidence in Rose to have him start then it's all good.

So the what do you say about the 2 point win against Brazil when he played just as poorly?

In fact, Brazil almost sent the game in OT when his guy (huertas???) blew right by him and missed the layup.

Bulls_fan90
09-01-2010, 08:53 PM
Love is a ****ing monster, he's gonna destroy next year in the NBA.

Oh and from what I've seen so far, my sig doesn't lie.


Rose is so ****ing overrated. My god...

Oh, and Durant's incredible.

Yeah your boy Westbrook played awesome.

http://turkey2010.fiba.com/pages/eng/fe/10/fwcm/p/eid/4728/gid/11/grid/B/nid//orderby//rid/6944/sid/4728/game.html :clap:

Draco
09-01-2010, 09:51 PM
So the what do you say about the 2 point win against Brazil when he played just as poorly?

In fact, Brazil almost sent the game in OT when his guy (huertas???) blew right by him and missed the layup.

Nothing.. This thread isn't about USA verse Brazil.. nor is it about USA verse Greece in which Rose was named player of the game.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 09:58 PM
Nothing.. This thread isn't about USA verse Brazil.. nor is it about USA verse Greece in which Rose was named player of the game.


One of those two games was an exhibition.

Draco
09-01-2010, 10:01 PM
One of those two games was an exhibition.

Who cares.. it's not as though people were *****ing any less about exhibition games and it still doesn't change the fact that this thread is about USA verse Iran.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:03 PM
Who cares.. it's not as though people were *****ing any less about exhibition games and it still doesn't change the fact that this thread is about USA verse Iran.

Ok and in this game, Rose played like garbage against what might be the weakest opponent they will face this tournament.

Draco
09-01-2010, 10:08 PM
Ok and in this game, Rose played like garbage against what might be the weakest opponent they will face this tournament.

Maybe you're right, I didn't see the game. But you wouldn't know it by the score or stats.

Sofnr
09-01-2010, 10:14 PM
Ok and in this game, Rose played like garbage against what might be the weakest opponent they will face this tournament.

What exactly about rose's play today has you so pissed off?

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:18 PM
What exactly about rose's play today has you so pissed off?Did you not get the memo? 11 pts on 5/6 shooting, 2 rebounds, and 2 steals is the new suck.

I'm guessing him having 2 turnovers and only 1 assist qualifies his game as "garbage"

Gators123
09-01-2010, 10:19 PM
Did you see his defense?

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:19 PM
What exactly about rose's play today has you so pissed off?

Im not pissed off.

He just refuses to pass the ball and play defense. On offense, he catches the ball, immidiately attempts to dribble thorugh zones and turns the ball over.

Look at the other USA thread, you'll see some of the more intelligent posters on PSD critiquing Rose's game.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:20 PM
Did you not get the memo? 11 pts on 5/6 shooting, 2 rebounds, and 2 steals is the new suck.

I'm guessing him having 2 turnovers and only 1 assist qualifies his game as "garbage"

For a starting PG, absolutely.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:26 PM
Im not pissed off.But u mad tho


He just refuses to pass the balllol
and play defenseIt's not that he refuses to, it's that he lacks some fundamentals and knowledge of defense.
On offense, he catches the ball, immidiately attempts to dribble thorugh zones and turns the ball over. Yup, all game. Or rather, 2 times. This is the same basic thought process that stereotyping is born out of.

Take off your Haterade-soaked glasses.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:27 PM
His assist to TO ratio for the tournament is 1:1.

Get a clue and stop riding another man's jock you clown hahaha.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:27 PM
For a starting PG, absolutely.Unfortunately, while turnovers and assists are of elevated importance for ball-dominant guards, they aren't the whole game. To ignore the other stuff is just ridiculous.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:30 PM
His assist to TO ratio for the tournament is 1:1.

Get a clue and stop riding another man's jock you clown hahaha.Yes, for god's sake, he has turned the ball over a lot. We get it. There is more to the game of basketball than turnovers (and assists). While he could be doing better in those two categories, he has been absolutely stellar with offensive efficiency.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:30 PM
Unfortunately, while turnovers and assists are of elevated importance for ball-dominant guards, they aren't the whole game. To ignore the other stuff is just ridiculous.

The only positive you point out is his FG%. Take into account how many of those are break away layups. He has been completely one dimensional.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:32 PM
The only positive you point out is his FG%. Take into account how many of those are break away layups. He has been completely one dimensional.Surely it's impossible for some of those to have been a product of his steals (top 3 cumulative total on Team USA).

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:38 PM
Surely it's impossible for some of those to have been a product of his steals (top 3 cumulative total on Team USA).

Yet in every PG debate Bulls fans claim Rondo's steals are so high because he gambles too much.

Look man when you or any of your kinsmen want to have a reasonable conversation do the following:

1. Watch the game
2. Know what you are talking about
3. Take into account that everyone other than your teams fans agree that you are incorrect.

Its very hard to take you seriously when you are acting like a homer from a fan base notorious for their homerism. The obsession you guys have with another man is repulsive.

And yes some were a reward or his steals.

Draco
09-01-2010, 10:41 PM
Yet in every PG debate Bulls fans claim Rondo's steals are so high because he gambles too much.

Look man when you or any of your kinsmen want to have a reasonable conversation do the following:

1. Watch the game
2. Know what you are talking about
3. Take into account that everyone other than your teams fans agree that you are incorrect.

Its very hard to take you seriously when you are acting like a homer from a fan base notorious for their homerism. The obsession you guys have with another man is repulsive.

And yes some were a reward or his steals.

You mean people like Coach K.. who decided that Rose should start over Gordon, Westbrook and Curry.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:45 PM
You mean people like Coach K.. who decided that Rose should start over Gordon, Westbrook and Curry.

He can correct his mistake whenever he wants. If you watched the game I doubt you say that because he's one more similar start from making you eat those words.

Team USA owes Rose nothing. However, I hope he plays great and helps the US win because thats what I want is them to win.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 10:49 PM
What have I said that other people wouldn't agree with?

I've acknowledged he has been turning the ball over too much, that his defense needs work, and that he could be creating for others better. I've also made it clear that he's doing other things really well, which he is. I've suggested that Curry start at the one and Rose at the two.

What part of that is wrong? You're the one being irrational and focusing on all the negatives and trying to make it seem like he's been playing terrible.

*edit* I've also suggested that we could start Rose at the 1 and Gordon at the 2, but that would be my second option, and I would really only do it if the Curry/Rose thing didn't work out. Yes, the assists wouldn't exactly rack themselves up, but this one-on-one BS system Coach K is enabling isn't exactly out of Sloan's playbook. Billups is the real liability, if there is one. We need to get him out of the first unit and into the one that does need him.

tcav701
09-01-2010, 10:52 PM
Check the other thread....

I'm a little trigger happy with Bulls fans on here and for that, I apologize.

Draco
09-01-2010, 10:54 PM
He can correct his mistake whenever he wants. If you watched the game I doubt you say that because he's one more similar start from making you eat those words.

Team USA owes Rose nothing. However, I hope he plays great and helps the US win because thats what I want is them to win.

Who said that Team USA owed Rose anything? What makes you think that Coach K views starting Rose as a mistake?


"I think part of it is we've gotten a little bit mentally tired. And you don't practice. And so the habits we're trying to build, sometimes you revert back to less productive habits," coach Mike Krzyzewski said. "So we want to use these two games as a chance for us to get sharper, and we were much sharper in the second half than the first half.

That doesn't sound like criticism focused on any one individual.

Mane
09-01-2010, 10:59 PM
Alright, I can't deny rose is awesome going to the rim, but it really really is painful to watch him turn it over, and get beat on defense so much.

Sir Buckets
09-01-2010, 11:01 PM
Check the other thread....

I'm a little trigger happy with Bulls fans on here and for that, I apologize.Seems like everyone is :(

Apology accepted :p

Draco
09-01-2010, 11:04 PM
Alright, I can't deny rose is awesome going to the rim, but it really really is painful to watch him turn it over, and get beat on defense so much.

Not any more painful than watching Westbrook turn the ball over, I'd imagine.

Over the last 4 games.
Rose: 10 assists, 9 turnovers
Westbrook: 8 assists, 7 turnovers
Curry: 11 assists, 3 turnovers

ecorrea
09-01-2010, 11:04 PM
Alright, I can't deny rose is awesome going to the rim, but it really really is painful to watch him turn it over, and get beat on defense so much.

ive been able to watch his D in three or four games. was fine imo. i didnt catch this past one, but if he only turned the ball over 2 times... not the end of the world.

the kid will learn. he wants to. he competes, and does whats necessary building up to when its really gonna count.

ecorrea
09-01-2010, 11:06 PM
damn his turnover ratio obviously not good. but his presence and ability to score, stop a run, push the ball, etc makes him a special player.

ecorrea
09-01-2010, 11:08 PM
was just in the bulls forum. so rose is shooting 64%. whaaa!!!

sargon21
09-01-2010, 11:21 PM
that hate towards rose on this site is now self-imposed by non-bulls fans, we dont bring anything up about rose's greatness or anything like that, people begin to take a defensive nature even when bulls fans aren't in the discussion, also no one backs up their opinions or "IMO"'s with stats

Jenceman
09-01-2010, 11:22 PM
Wade Lebron and Bosh were the 3 best players for Team USA so I think it's ignorant to pick anyone other than one of those 3

I'm pretty sure Kobe was at least the 3rd best player on the team, considering he won the game in the end against Spain :rolleyes:

Either way, an actual Center is what this team needs, Howard would easily be the top choice from the 08 team.

Jenceman
09-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Not any more painful than watching Westbrook turn the ball over, I'd imagine.

Over the last 4 games.
Rose: 10 assists, 9 turnovers
Westbrook: 8 assists, 7 turnovers
Curry: 11 assists, 3 turnovers

Rose is painful to watch on the defensive end though. Westbrook is probably the best defensive not named Rondo.

Baller1
09-02-2010, 12:33 AM
that hate towards rose on this site is now self-imposed by non-bulls fans, we dont bring anything up about rose's greatness or anything like that, people begin to take a defensive nature even when bulls fans aren't in the discussion, also no one backs up their opinions or "IMO"'s with stats

Stats? Alright, works for me. This is actually extremely easy considering the works been done for me.

Here you go, you're welcome. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=westbru01&y1=2010&p2=rosede01&y2=2010)

As you can see, Rose is only better at scoring the ball more and turning it over less. Other than that, Westbrook has higher percentages in offensive rebounding (not close), defensive rebounding, passing (AST%), stealing, and blocking. On top of that, Westbrook's defense is far better than Rose as Wesbtrook provides more defensive win shares, and more win shares overall for that matter, although it is very close.

Furthermore, Westbrook absolutely destroys Rose in every possible way in the playoffs. Granted neither have much of a resume to work with, but of what there is, it's fair to say that it's "not fair" to compare the two in the postseason.

Alright, and now a section for the kiddies who can't comprehend all that.

Maybe this will make it easier. (http://www.rototimes.com/nba/player_comparison.php)

In simpler terms, Westbrook is superior in rebounding, free throw shooting, passing, stealing, blocking, and is a better defender in general.

Now for some fun facts:

Westbrook has a 59.7 WIN% compared to Rose's 46.8
Rose is assisted on more of his baskets than Westbrook, meaning Westbrook creates for himself more often
Westbrook is much more efficient at creating fouls for himself at a clip of 14.1% to Rose's 8.8%
Passing Rating: Westbrook - 15.8/Rose - 9.1
Rebounding Rating: Westbrook 14.5/Rose - 10.9
Westbrook also has a higher block rating: 1.7 compared to a meer 0.8 for Rose
When comparing the two by production per 48 at POINT GUARD, Westbrook once again basically blows him out once again


Russell Westbrook (http://www.82games.com/0910/09OKC5.HTM)
Derrick Rose (http://www.82games.com/0809/08CHI1.HTM)

What I'm trying to say is, Rose is the better Shooting Guard while Westbrook is the better Point Guard. Considering they both play point guard...


Russell Westbrook > Derrick Rose

Mr Moody
09-02-2010, 12:03 PM
lol cmoonnnnn man

Westbrook is a very good player, but he has a guy named Durant next to him. So while the defense focuses on Durant, it frees Westbrook up to do his thing. Rose had absolutely no one last year consistently and was forced to be a top player night in and night out. The defense would focus in and double Rose and the Bulls weren't good enough to punish them.