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Mile High Champ
08-29-2010, 02:50 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

PF Rankings

1) Pau Gasol
2) Dirk Nowitzki
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2009 Off-Season PF Rankings

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Dirk Nowitzki
4) Chris Bosh
5) Amare Stoudemire
6) Pau Gasol
7) Carlos Boozer
8) Antawn Jamison
9) Rashard Lewis
10) David West

2008 Off-Season PF rankings

1) Tim Duncan
2) Kevin Garnett
3) Amare Stoudemire
4) Chris Bosh
5) Dirk Nowitzki
6) Elton Brand
7) Carlos Boozer
8) Pau Gasol
9) Antawn Jamison
10) David West

VRP723
08-29-2010, 02:51 PM
It's Duncan

Mile High Champ
08-29-2010, 02:51 PM
Poll number 3 is up!!

Raidaz4Life
08-29-2010, 02:52 PM
Bosh

DeZonia
08-29-2010, 02:54 PM
Duncan! How can you say Bosh at 3? he didn't help his team get anywhere, and he didn't have a bad team.

td0tsfinest
08-29-2010, 02:54 PM
I'm going with Duncan. Again.

jimbobjarree
08-29-2010, 02:56 PM
tim duncan

Jays Claw
08-29-2010, 02:57 PM
I have a feeling this will be a close contest between Duncan and Bosh. Although, as the non-homers already know, Duncan is deserving of being #3.

Mr Moody
08-29-2010, 03:00 PM
duncan for the third time

Gators123
08-29-2010, 03:02 PM
Duncan

Avenged
08-29-2010, 03:02 PM
Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
2 Duncan 2009-10 33 78 2438 24.7 .560 .519 10.8 26.8 18.9 17.8 1.0 3.5 10.1 26.0 116 101 6.4 4.5 10.9 0.215


Rk Player Season Age G MP PER TS% eFG% ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% ORtg DRtg OWS DWS WS WS/48
1 Bosh 2009-10 25 70 2526 25.0 .592 .522 9.9 25.2 17.7 11.5 0.9 2.1 10.7 28.7 117 111 7.9 1.7 9.6 0.182

I'm going with Duncan.

Somewhat similar stats but Duncan gets the nod for defense for me.

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 03:07 PM
Kevin Garnett.

RocketsRule
08-29-2010, 03:08 PM
Gotta be Duncan here. May not have as flashy numbers as Bosh, but he has all the intangibles and defense of a winner.

stejay
08-29-2010, 03:09 PM
Tim Duncan

Grizzly Adams
08-29-2010, 03:12 PM
My vote goes to the same player who got it the previous two rounds, Duncan.

D-Will4Prez
08-29-2010, 03:13 PM
Duncan should have been #1 or #2 (toss up between him and Dirk) so my vote goes to him once again.

CBCable
08-29-2010, 03:16 PM
gasol number 1, hilarious

BlazingJ
08-29-2010, 03:18 PM
They should put Lamarcus Aldridge at least in the voting :D

Antipod
08-29-2010, 03:21 PM
Timmy for sure :)

jackdawson
08-29-2010, 03:26 PM
For the 3rd time I am voting for Tim Duncan--Still the best PF in the league and he is the GOAT PF.

MacFitz92
08-29-2010, 03:27 PM
Should have been:
1. Dirk
2. Duncan
3. Gasol

But, whatever.

beasted86
08-29-2010, 03:29 PM
I refuse to vote for Tim Duncan as a PF.

Chris Bosh.

beasted86
08-29-2010, 03:31 PM
They should put Lamarcus Aldridge at least in the voting :D

David West > Aldridge.

Jets012
08-29-2010, 03:42 PM
Duncan and it is not even close

Thefuture7
08-29-2010, 03:45 PM
Tim Duncan for suree

Gators123
08-29-2010, 03:45 PM
duncan for the third time

Then why did you vote for Boozer? :eyebrow:

ronaldsmith_86
08-29-2010, 03:52 PM
Duncan for the 3rd time

Testaverde16
08-29-2010, 03:52 PM
easily goes to the big fundamental

Cano4prez
08-29-2010, 04:00 PM
Voted Bosh meant Duncan. And Dirk should be 1st.

thescore53
08-29-2010, 04:03 PM
I refuse to vote for Tim Duncan as a PF.

Chris Bosh.

heat fan voting for bosh ? interesting :rolleyes:

Swashcuff
08-29-2010, 04:08 PM
Props to Avenged

Only poster thus far to actually give reasoning to support his point. I'd also like to jack that same reasoning and say Tim Duncan. May not be the force he once was but his great all round game is what puts him at number 3 IMO.

daleja424
08-29-2010, 04:23 PM
bump over #2

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 04:28 PM
amar'e is getting no love. did any of you watch him in the playoffs last year? or the regular season. what i dont get is that pau seemed to win because he's got rings; dirk and bosh dont have any and amar'e made it farther than either of them last season.

Kakaroach
08-29-2010, 04:29 PM
Duncan here, but I'm curious, do you guys consider Al Jefferson a PF? If so, he should for sure be on the poll.

greek miami hea
08-29-2010, 04:33 PM
bosh

Swashcuff
08-29-2010, 04:43 PM
Duncan here, but I'm curious, do you guys consider Al Jefferson a PF? If so, he should for sure be on the poll.

Yes and NO. Not at #3 bro.

Jets012
08-29-2010, 04:47 PM
wow Bosh has way to many votes

Wade>You
08-29-2010, 04:48 PM
Age-for-age, Chris Bosh has only two current PFs put up a better season statistically then he did: Garnett and Duncan.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 04:48 PM
Duncan easily....

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 04:51 PM
amar'e is getting no love. did any of you watch him in the playoffs last year? or the regular season. what i dont get is that pau seemed to win because he's got rings; dirk and bosh dont have any and amar'e made it farther than either of them last season.

Do you really want to argue that Amare is better than Dirk?

Amare was good in the playoffs. just good. Nash is the reason they made it that far.

Dirk was better than Amare in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

Bosh and Amare is a good argument but don't bring Amare's name even close to a superstar.

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 04:52 PM
#4 is going to be interesting..

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 04:55 PM
Do you really want to argue that Amare is better than Dirk?

Amare was good in the playoffs. just good. Nash is the reason they made it that far.

Dirk was better than Amare in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

Bosh and Amare is a good argument but don't bring Amare's name even close to a superstar.

Dirk caught a first round exit in the playoffs how are you going to compare 6 games to 16?

Wade>You
08-29-2010, 04:55 PM
In the NBA, your reputation supersedes your current performance.

Jewelz0376
08-29-2010, 04:56 PM
I voted for Duncan..

On offense Duncan has a better post game and is a better passer...Bosh has a better mid range jumper and can take 4's off the dribble better/get to ft line more..So maybe I'll give a slight edge to Bosh on offense even tho its arguable...

Rebounding its pretty much a wash..but Duncan at his age is still one of the best defensive bigs in the league while bosh hasn't shown to be any more than an average defender at best...

The difference between Duncan and Bosh on D is much bigger than the difference in offense...so Duncan got my vote..

Chacarron
08-29-2010, 04:57 PM
Tim Duncan.

Chacarron
08-29-2010, 04:58 PM
#4 is going to be interesting..

Agreed.

Wade>You
08-29-2010, 05:01 PM
When the best player in the world goes 6 for 24 in the biggest game of his life, has the second worst Finals in history (after accomplishing that feat in 2004), and is still the best player in the world afterwards according to the fans, what does this say about the average fan?

Chacarron
08-29-2010, 05:04 PM
When the best player in the world goes 6 for 24 in the biggest game of his life, has the second worst Finals in history (after accomplishing that feat in 2004), and is still the best player in the world afterwards according to the fans, what does this say about the average fan?

Why must you bring up Kobe into this? It's a PF discussion. I hope this thread doesn't get ugly.

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 05:05 PM
Dirk caught a first round exit in the playoffs how are you going to compare 6 games to 16?

with pau ranking at 1st because of the championship, thats my point. how does bosh get so many votes without playoff appearance and dirk (no matter how good that mavs are in the reg. season they never seem to do anything)

thescore53
08-29-2010, 05:09 PM
When the best player in the world goes 6 for 24 in the biggest game of his life, has the second worst Finals in history (after accomplishing that feat in 2004), and is still the best player in the world afterwards according to the fans, what does this say about the average fan?

yes he had a bad game. atleast he didnt give up :cool:

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 05:10 PM
Do you really want to argue that Amare is better than Dirk?

Amare was good in the playoffs. just good. Nash is the reason they made it that far.

Dirk was better than Amare in the regular season, and in the playoffs.

Bosh and Amare is a good argument but don't bring Amare's name even close to a superstar.

was kobe not the reason the lakers made it far? pau still got no. 1. rendering your point useless.

and dirk was good in the playoffs? first round exit to the seventh seeded spurs. when does dirk not choke in the playoffs? or finals for that matter. Amare and Phoenix swept the team that beat the mavs, what does that say?

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 05:10 PM
with pau ranking at 1st because of the championship, thats my point. how does bosh get so many votes without playoff appearance and dirk (no matter how good that mavs are in the reg. season they never seem to do anything)

because he joined with wade and lebron and people think he's better than he is now

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 05:14 PM
because he joined with wade and lebron and people think he's better than he is now

half of them have july 2010 join dates what do you expect?:facepalm:

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 05:16 PM
was kobe not the reason the lakers made it far? pau still got no. 1. rendering your point useless.

and dirk was good in the playoffs? first round exit to the seventh seeded spurs. when does dirk not choke in the playoffs? or finals for that matter. Amare and Phoenix swept the team that beat the mavs, what does that say?

How did Dirk choke? He played A+ basketball. His teammates didn't show up. Don't use all of your stupidity in one argument.

Amare wishes he had 1/5 of Dirk's talent when it comes to the playoffs. And when did Amare make the Finals? Waiting.......

I am waiting for somebody to put up a realy valid argument instead of saying Dirk choked (when he averages like 25 pts and 12 reb and no other teammate did jack ****), or saying Amare or Bosh is better than Dirk........

Baller1
08-29-2010, 05:18 PM
Duncan shouldve been #1.

VinceCarter
08-29-2010, 05:23 PM
heyyyyyy look the #1 PF has slipped to #3 :facepalm:

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 05:24 PM
heyyyyyy look the #1 PF has slipped to #3 :facepalm:

No... The #3 PF has stayed at #3.

Avenged
08-29-2010, 05:40 PM
When the best player in the world goes 6 for 24 in the biggest game of his life, has the second worst Finals in history (after accomplishing that feat in 2004), and is still the best player in the world afterwards according to the fans, what does this say about the average fan?

Pretty much unnecessary.

Kobe has nothing to do with this discussion.

zambo4president
08-29-2010, 05:42 PM
How in the **** did you guys pick Pau Gasol number 1? Every single one of these position rankings has been absolute ****. Dirk, TD are undoubtedly 1 and 2. Pau is fringe top 5.

Niro
08-29-2010, 05:43 PM
duncan without a doubt

JordansBulls
08-29-2010, 05:47 PM
Duncan easily.

beasted86
08-29-2010, 05:47 PM
heat fan voting for bosh ? interesting :rolleyes:

Jealous fan hating on the Heat?
predictable :rolleyes:

BTW, I voted Gasol & Dirk the two previous polls.

heattiltheend94
08-29-2010, 05:52 PM
Bosh, not being homer. I would of voted for him even if he was still a raptor. I just feel that Duncan is overrated due to his glory days (early 2000's)

xbrackattackx
08-29-2010, 05:54 PM
I'm going with Duncan. Again.

x 2

thekmp211
08-29-2010, 06:01 PM
voted timmy last time, going with him again.

dirk has always been a little overrated to me, but again, they are all top-tier guys.

Khalifa21
08-29-2010, 06:02 PM
Timmy deserves it.

VinceCarter
08-29-2010, 06:16 PM
Jealous fan hating on the Heat?
predictable :rolleyes:

BTW, I voted Gasol & Dirk the two previous polls.

I don't know about other fans but I'm not jealous of the Heat. They have 2 of the top 3 players in the league they should win.....and if they do then it is considered normal/no shock. BUT if they don't win a championship it will be looked at as a shock.

What I'm saying is how can you really cheer for a team to do what is expected of them (according to the dominant talent of LBJ+Wade+Bosh).

Maybe winning next year would be something because Kobe and the Lakers are still very much the favorite but after next year I'd say it's the Heat's reputation to lose.

So just chill out with the arrogance, that's what annoys true NBA fans is the arrogance and bandwagon fans. Be humble and realistic.

Sadds The Gr8
08-29-2010, 06:33 PM
The Big Fundamental

Thefuture7
08-29-2010, 06:35 PM
Bosh, not being homer. I would of voted for him even if he was still a raptor. I just feel that Duncan is overrated due to his glory days (early 2000's)

If he was a raptor u wouldn't have voted for him don't liee, au would of been like, he's soft doesn't play D

49erGiantLaker
08-29-2010, 06:41 PM
Duncan

RocketPower2010
08-29-2010, 06:52 PM
It's ridiculous how Laker fans dominate this forum and all of its polls. Laker fans got Gasol to number 1. And now Laker fans have ALL voted for Duncan on this one. I think the reason they are complaining about bandwagoning Heat fans is not because the Heat fans are cocky and arrogant, but it's because they are closing in on Laker fans as far as number is concerned,and the Laker fans on PSD can't have that. This is just not right.

BTW I don't believe Bosh deserves the acclaim for number 3 PF, just as I don't believe Gasol deserves the number 1 PF, good thing voting here doesn't mean squadoosh in the real world.

masalex1205
08-29-2010, 06:58 PM
duncan for the third time

+1

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 07:01 PM
How did Dirk choke? He played A+ basketball. His teammates didn't show up. Don't use all of your stupidity in one argument.

Amare wishes he had 1/5 of Dirk's talent when it comes to the playoffs. And when did Amare make the Finals? Waiting.......

I am waiting for somebody to put up a realy valid argument instead of saying Dirk choked (when he averages like 25 pts and 12 reb and no other teammate did jack ****), or saying Amare or Bosh is better than Dirk........

you beat around the bush like a pro and you totally missed my point. dirk chokes by having a great team every year and never being able to capitalize. he choked big time in the finals, if i was a mav fan i'd like to forget too. you guys were up 2-0 and then lost 4 straight; enough said. way to ignore the points i made and go str8 for the insults.

king2218
08-29-2010, 07:02 PM
What's the "Best" PF being based on???? Stats or Wins?? If it's wins then clearly its Tim Duncan, cause you take him out of that line up & that's a lottery team...even with the injuries to tony parker & manu ginobilli, that team won 50 games. Pau Gasol was never a winner by himself as we saw in Memphis...and Dirk is the right choice for 2nd best PF in the game.

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 07:03 PM
I don't know about other fans but I'm not jealous of the Heat. They have 2 of the top 3 players in the league they should win.....and if they do then it is considered normal/no shock. BUT if they don't win a championship it will be looked at as a shock.

What I'm saying is how can you really cheer for a team to do what is expected of them (according to the dominant talent of LBJ+Wade+Bosh).

Maybe winning next year would be something because Kobe and the Lakers are still very much the favorite but after next year I'd say it's the Heat's reputation to lose.

So just chill out with the arrogance, that's what annoys true NBA fans is the arrogance and bandwagon fans. Be humble and realistic.

i know man, the whole "your jealous", "your mad" thing has really run its course. i think you made a very good point.

Spurred1
08-29-2010, 07:06 PM
Timmy
Are people seriously thinking Amare deserves this spot?

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 07:35 PM
Timmy
Are people seriously thinking Amare deserves this spot?

i think he deserves it as much as bosh or dirk. timmy should've been no. 1 or 2

Iggz53
08-29-2010, 07:37 PM
Now it's clearly Duncan, though I thought he should be 1st or 2nd.

Spurred1
08-29-2010, 07:42 PM
i think he deserves it as much as bosh or dirk. timmy should've been no. 1 or 2

Duncan probably should be 1 or 2. Gasol is also very deserving of the top spot because he was crucial in the Lakers' winning their rings.
But why Amare?

beasted86
08-29-2010, 07:55 PM
I don't know about other fans but I'm not jealous of the Heat. They have 2 of the top 3 players in the league they should win.....and if they do then it is considered normal/no shock. BUT if they don't win a championship it will be looked at as a shock.

What I'm saying is how can you really cheer for a team to do what is expected of them (according to the dominant talent of LBJ+Wade+Bosh).

Maybe winning next year would be something because Kobe and the Lakers are still very much the favorite but after next year I'd say it's the Heat's reputation to lose.

So just chill out with the arrogance, that's what annoys true NBA fans is the arrogance and bandwagon fans. Be humble and realistic.
Nobody "should" win anything, especially when you are talking about NBA championships.

I know Laker fans always use the "injury" excuse, but they went into '04 with the exact same team + Malone + Payton -Horry, and basically got a 5 game sweep (1 buzzer beater luck shot to get to OT ftw later). Unless you are saying Horry > Injured Malone, there's no real excuses, they were just beat. So there is no such thing as being handed the championship because you have one of the better paper teams. The Miami Heat will need to come together as a team to win the championship.

2nd, this "arrogance" you think I'm portraying isn't that, it's actually "annoyance". This guys "thescore53" has been a Heat hater and troll because Bosh left to come to Miami. For the past 3-4 months he's been banned a couple times for comments in the Heat forum, or baiting in the NBA forum trash talking Bosh or the Heat. So if you don't know the full story, you shouldn't jump to conclusions.

REALLYYYYY?
08-29-2010, 07:56 PM
i went with duncan. order should probably be:

duncan
dirk
pau
bosh
boozer

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 07:57 PM
How can anyone think Amare is better than Dirk, Gasol, Duncan, aside from the Knicks fans who now think he is Jordan.

REALLYYYYY?
08-29-2010, 07:57 PM
Timmy
Are people seriously thinking Amare deserves this spot?

knicks fans. i even saw one in the last poll say they decided to show amare some love and vote for him even though they thought that others in the poll were better...

REALLYYYYY?
08-29-2010, 07:58 PM
i think he deserves it as much as bosh or dirk. timmy should've been no. 1 or 2

:speechless:

thekmp211
08-29-2010, 08:08 PM
It's ridiculous how Laker fans dominate this forum and all of its polls. Laker fans got Gasol to number 1. And now Laker fans have ALL voted for Duncan on this one. I think the reason they are complaining about bandwagoning Heat fans is not because the Heat fans are cocky and arrogant, but it's because they are closing in on Laker fans as far as number is concerned,and the Laker fans on PSD can't have that. This is just not right.

BTW I don't believe Bosh deserves the acclaim for number 3 PF, just as I don't believe Gasol deserves the number 1 PF, good thing voting here doesn't mean squadoosh in the real world.

speaking as a non-Lakers fan who voted for Gasol #1 I'd have to disagree with you. Gasol has his arguments for being number one, and they're strong. He, Dirk and Duncan have had very different careers.

Duncan easily has the best career. Career 20/10 player, 4 rings and all as the number one guy on his team. Probably the best power forward ever, and he just finished a year that featured less minutes and more efficiency than we had seen in some recent seasons. Still, he is aging, and lingering injuries only become more of a nuisance with age.

Dirk has had a lot of talented teammates, and his one trip to the finals was a big choke-fest. Now, besides a younger Steve Nash (who has been optimized since in a Suns offense built to his strengths) you can't say that Dirk has a real championship sidekick. But, his teams have also reflected his weaknesses as a player to some extent, imo. I know it is an overused cliche to describe his game, but Dirk really does struggle on defense and on the glass. "Defense wins championships" is an other overused mantre, but getting stops is key to dismantling the best teams in the league. The Mavericks, all his teams, have struggled with this. It's not all on Dirk, but I think he has been somewhat miscast as a guy on the very highest level.

Pau wasted away in Memphis for his career before the Lakers. He suffered a KG-lite career: he wasn't quite good as KG during his Minnesota tenure, and his teams were far less talented. Still, he put up strong, efficient numbers. Shows up in LA, and starts winning. He has been the essential release valve for the Lakers and Kobe. Made them an instant title contender, which was not the trajectory of the pre-Pau Lakers. People forget that now. He lacks some all-star appearances but honestly, there are plenty of reasons to discount that as a knock on his game. He can score in the post, shoot with good enough range for a 7', and has shown a knack to compete and show up in the big moments. No Pau, no championship for the Lakers this year. Could other guys have potentially filled that role? Maybe, but he did it. I think right now he's just a complete player in his prime. Duncan has him on D, Dirk is a more dominant scorer, but I just like what Pau bring to the table. Long-winded point being, don't blame these results on homerism or whatnot. This sums up my opinion on the results so far.

xM1GSx
08-29-2010, 08:14 PM
timay

Avenged
08-29-2010, 08:28 PM
It's ridiculous how Laker fans dominate this forum and all of its polls. Laker fans got Gasol to number 1. And now Laker fans have ALL voted for Duncan on this one. I think the reason they are complaining about bandwagoning Heat fans is not because the Heat fans are cocky and arrogant, but it's because they are closing in on Laker fans as far as number is concerned,and the Laker fans on PSD can't have that. This is just not right.

BTW I don't believe Bosh deserves the acclaim for number 3 PF, just as I don't believe Gasol deserves the number 1 PF, good thing voting here doesn't mean squadoosh in the real world.

If you actually read through the #1 PF thread, you would know numerous of Laker fans did not vote for Gasol. If you click on the numbers of the poll, you would know that the majority who voted for Gasol weren't Laker fans as well.

And if you click on the numbers on this poll, you would see that the majority who voted for Duncan were not Laker fans.

Nobody in this thread is complaining about Heat fans, on contrary, I've seen a couple of posts in here by Heat fans complaining about Laker fans or the team outside of the PF spot.

You need to expand your mind a little more and not just listen to what others have to say, but also create your own opinions.

VinceCarter
08-29-2010, 08:33 PM
If you actually read through the #1 PF thread, you would know numerous of Laker fans did not vote for Gasol. If you click on the numbers of the poll, you would know that the majority who voted for Gasol weren't Laker fans as well.

And if you click on the numbers on this poll, you would see that the majority who voted for Duncan were not Laker fans.

Nobody in this thread is complaining about Heat fans, on contrary, I've seen a couple of posts in here by Heat fans complaining about Laker fans or the team outside of the PF spot.

You need to expand your mind a little more and not just listen to what others have to say, but also create your own opinions.

BUT are there enough people (non Laker homers) who believe he is the #1 PF or even the #2?? Because I really don't see how you can put him above Duncan and Dirk, they're superstars I don't think Gasol is or at least right now he isn't.

Avenged
08-29-2010, 08:36 PM
BUT are there enough people (non Laker homers) who believe he is the #1 PF or even the #2?? Because I really don't see how you can put him above Duncan and Dirk, they're superstars I don't think Gasol is or at least right now he isn't.

Either way, they have similar stats.

Dirk and Duncan may be superstars so they should be absolutely dominating Gasol statistically but they're not.

All 3 of them actually have a legitimate case for each other.

But to single out a fan base just because that's what he thinks, isn't right considering the majority weren't even Laker fans voting for him.

jrodmesche
08-29-2010, 08:55 PM
these results make me wana barf and never post here again how the heck did Gafag get number one geez!!!!!!!

Swashcuff
08-29-2010, 09:26 PM
I said it before and I'll say it again I CANNOT BELIEVE the kind of love and respect Chris Bosh is getting. I mean do people's opinion really change that fast, earlier this summer he was the most hated PF in the game now you got even non heat fans who not only say he's better than Amar'e but also Duncan. Its amazing how time heals everything.

As far as this ranking goes I still got TD at #3 with Bosh at 4 and Amar'e at 5.

NBA-GMaster
08-29-2010, 09:46 PM
Timmy!!

Jonathan2323
08-29-2010, 09:49 PM
Bosh is better than Tim Duncan right now.

beasted86
08-29-2010, 09:50 PM
BUT are there enough people (non Laker homers) who believe he is the #1 PF or even the #2?? Because I really don't see how you can put him above Duncan and Dirk, they're superstars I don't think Gasol is or at least right now he isn't.

This falls into the same discussion from 6-7 years ago about Kobe vs. Iverson or McGrady or VC. Kobe was clear second best player on the Lakers, but was still praised as one of the best SGs in the NBA, despite having a less significant role than those other 3. Same earlier when you had Pippen always cast as a sidekick... though a primary reason the Bulls could win multiple championships, sometimes viewed by fans as behind wings of the era like Dominique or Drexler.

So it comes down to the individual. Do you value a good player who plays a major role on a dominant championship team, or do you value a dominant #1 guy on a playoff team disregarding championship success?

I picked Gasol because he plays a big role on a title team, and has shown he was at least decent as a #1. I similarly regarded Kobe as a better SG than T-Mac or VC. Iverson was maybe better than Kobe for his 1 MVP season, but not many others. And yes, Pippen is better than Dominique or Drexler IMO.

It all comes down to individual perception. I'm not going to dismiss that some fans picked Gasol for the wrong reasons, but just explained my choice and one theory on Pau over Dirk & Duncan.

thescore53
08-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Bosh is better than Tim Duncan right now.

yea he is. and everyone knows it. but they dont wanna vote for him cause of the hate.

masalex1205
08-29-2010, 10:14 PM
Who the hell voted for Chris Bosh over Duncan? facepalm

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 10:21 PM
amare would destroy bosh

#1Basketballfan
08-29-2010, 10:23 PM
because he joined with wade and lebron and people think he's better than he is now



look man i know everyone is still feeling the burn from how the free agent stuff wit down but all bull **** aside bosh in the top 3 for pfs look at his game
duncan and gasol are really center anyway

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 10:32 PM
look man i know everyone is still feeling the burn from how the free agent stuff wit down but all bull **** aside bosh in the top 3 for pfs look at his game
duncan and gasol are really center anyway

bosh isn't even better than amare

Cano4prez
08-29-2010, 10:33 PM
bosh isn't even better than amare

:eyebrow:

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 10:37 PM
How can anyone think Amare is better than Dirk, Gasol, Duncan, aside from the Knicks fans who now think he is Jordan.

i thought he was the best PF in the league before he came to the knicks. i've always enjoyed watching the suns since they got steve nash. (i know the argument for duncan, i simply don't like watching duncan play. also he's getting old. he's obviously not the best anymore) amare's career feild goal percentage is substantially better than dirks. his PPG is about even except in 05-06 when he was hurt. also, amare is arguably the most explosive player in the league and the best finisher in the paint. and your arguement about dirk in the finals.... thats just pathetic. the mavs were up 2-0 and then dropped four games in a row. when its all said and done neither amare or dirk have really won anything so thats a moot point. dirk is still "waiting...." to win anything. and he may be waiting a while more since HIS team is always underperforming when it matters most.

Kashmir13579
08-29-2010, 10:39 PM
:eyebrow:

i agree with him 100%. injuries asside, bosh could not stop amare.

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 10:45 PM
:eyebrow:

aw man #4 is going to be funny

Avenged
08-29-2010, 10:51 PM
Bosh and Amare is debatable.

Similar stats yet again, Bosh practically leads him by a small margin statistically.

Amare leads him in win shares and defensive rating by a very small margin.

Chris Bosh is more efficient though, grabs more rebounds, and more assists.

We'll leave that debate for #4.

Spurred1
08-29-2010, 10:56 PM
i agree with him 100%. injuries asside, bosh could not stop amare.

Probably true, but then again...Amare probably wouldn't do much to stop Bosh.
There is much more to the game then being an explosive scorer. Amare really isn't much of a defender and for a man with his athleticism, a below average rebounder. From what I've seen, he isn't interested in using his abilities to their fullest. He wasn't very impressive in the WCF, aside from game 3.

Baller1
08-29-2010, 11:01 PM
It's about time Duncan wins.

waterboy221
08-29-2010, 11:08 PM
IMO im just saying for these players in their prime since it would be unfair for those veteran players
#1 Tim Duncan (carry the spurs to many champions need i say more?)
#2 KG who led the T-wolves to playoff birth almost single handed
#3 Dirk IMO is a better player than Bosh
#4 Chris Bosh bc he can offer a little more than Amar'e
#5 Amar'e when he was with Nash but now i want to see how he does without 2 time MVP Nash

beasted86
08-29-2010, 11:13 PM
i agree with him 100%. injuries asside, bosh could not stop amare.

Maybe in the past, but for 3 seasons now Bosh has been better than Stat. He has lead him in PER for 2 of the past 3, and you can take a look at their head to head matchups over the last 3 years:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=2NdPr

Head-to-head averages over that 3yr span (5 games)--
Bosh: 28.6 PPG, 13.2 REB, 51% FG, 1.0 BLK, 2.0 AST, 36.8 MIN/G
Stat: 24.4 PPG, 8.0 REB, 63% FG, 1.8 BLK, 1.6 AST, 37.8 MIN/G

Whether it is due to injury or age or whatever, Stoudemire is no longer better than Bosh. Especially the last 2 seasons, Bosh has really started to seperate himself.

We'll continue this debate in the next thread which should have Bosh & Amare leading in votes.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-29-2010, 11:33 PM
i thought he was the best PF in the league before he came to the knicks. i've always enjoyed watching the suns since they got steve nash. (i know the argument for duncan, i simply don't like watching duncan play. also he's getting old. he's obviously not the best anymore) amare's career feild goal percentage is substantially better than dirks. his PPG is about even except in 05-06 when he was hurt. also, amare is arguably the most explosive player in the league and the best finisher in the paint. and your arguement about dirk in the finals.... thats just pathetic. the mavs were up 2-0 and then dropped four games in a row. when its all said and done neither amare or dirk have really won anything so thats a moot point. dirk is still "waiting...." to win anything. and he may be waiting a while more since HIS team is always underperforming when it matters most.

Dirk has an MVP, 10 all nba team selections, 9 all star selections, HOF player.

What has Amare done? None of that?

td0tsfinest
08-29-2010, 11:35 PM
Duncan is the clear winner here. On to the next one. #4 should be interesting. I'm leaning towards Bosh on this one.

Hawkeye15
08-29-2010, 11:39 PM
next

knicksfan42
08-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Dirk has an MVP, 10 all nba team selections, 9 all star selections, HOF player.

What has Amare done? None of that?

I agree that Dirk is better than Amare, hell I voted for Dirk since the first poll. You forgot to add Dirk's MVP award to his list of accolades. Though Amare isn't bad. A ROY award, four time All-NBA Team selection, and 5 All-Star team selections. Don't forget he was also injured for three season and its hard to get on an All-NBA team while injured.

knicksfan42
08-29-2010, 11:46 PM
#5 Amar'e when he was with Nash but now i want to see how he does without 2 time MVP Nash

Without Nash: ROY one year, 20.6 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 1.2 SPG the next.

Hustlenomics
08-29-2010, 11:52 PM
Without Nash: ROY one year, 20.6 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 1.2 SPG the next.

lol everyone's convinced he's nothing without nash we will see this season in new york

thescore53
08-30-2010, 12:35 AM
i agree with him 100%. injuries asside, bosh could not stop amare.

could amare stop bosh ?

Hustlenomics
08-30-2010, 12:48 AM
could amare stop bosh ?

well jason collins was doing a good job of that years back in the playoffs so i guess amare can too :rolleyes:

thescore53
08-30-2010, 12:51 AM
well jason collins was doing a good job of that years back in the playoffs so i guess amare can too :rolleyes:

que ?

DoJoTheSlasher
08-30-2010, 12:55 AM
Best poll will be next. Bosh vs Amare with the little KG throw ins.

Kashmir13579
08-30-2010, 01:18 AM
Dirk has an MVP, 10 all nba team selections, 9 all star selections, HOF player.

What has Amare done? None of that?

those are nice accomplishments. if amare doesnt get injured he will have most of that as well. its been a while since he's been mvp. steve nash prolly should have won it anyways that year; i remember it being controversial.

Kashmir13579
08-30-2010, 01:19 AM
could amare stop bosh ?

idk but david lee did alright.

thescore53
08-30-2010, 01:22 AM
idk but david lee did alright.

knicks cant even stop bargs.

Hangtime
08-30-2010, 01:25 AM
I will take Timmy any day.

bigsams50
08-30-2010, 01:58 AM
I voted Bosh.

Baller1
08-30-2010, 02:19 AM
Alright let's get the next one going.

xbrackattackx
08-30-2010, 02:24 AM
^^^

Is it gonna be Bosh or Amare?


I'm going Amare.

soundjunkies2
08-30-2010, 02:28 AM
Without Nash: ROY one year, 20.6 PPG, 9 RPG, 1.6 BPG, 1.2 SPG the next.

He has always had an All-star PG around him so we'll see how well he does without one.

LA_Raiders
08-30-2010, 03:23 AM
TD no question

xILLN355
08-30-2010, 04:06 AM
Easily Duncan

Hawkeye15
08-30-2010, 01:05 PM
#4 is open, thanks for voting