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VRP723
08-29-2010, 01:34 AM
The MLB All Time Re-Draft is a game that has been taking place over the past month on PSD where every MLB player of all time is put into a "player pool" and teams draft them through a fantasy-style snake draft. Matchups are then put up in the MLB forum where the champion is decided through voting.

Please take the time to look over both teams before voting. All of these teams worked very hard to put together the best team possible. Read their write-ups too. Your vote ONLY counts if you vote in the poll, so don't just post in the thread saying who you like. Also, you must have at least 100 posts for your vote to count. This prevents people from getting friends to create new accounts simply to vote for their team.

This is a 5-game series with homefield advantage to the DODGERS



Seattle Pilots
"We're old as ****, but we can still put it up"

Brought to you by: JDIsMyGod23 and his Italian confidant 1-800STFU



25 Man Fantasy Camp
C. Gary Carter (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1002015&position=C)
1B. Mark Teixeira (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1281&position=1B)
2B. Lou Whitaker (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013846&position=2B)
3B. Scott Rolen (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=970&position=3B)
SS. Barry Larkin (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=335&position=SS)
LF. Manny Ramirez (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=210&position=OF)
CF. Brian Giles
(http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=990&position=OF)RF. Stan Musial (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1009405&position=1B/OF)
OF. J.D. Drew (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1152&position=OF)
OF. Devon White (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013862&position=OF)
INF. Placido Polanco (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1176&position=2B/3B)
C. Yadier Molina (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=7007&position=C)
UTIL. Tony Phillips (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1010300&position=2B/OF)
SP. Pedro Martinez (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=200&position=P)
SP. Juan Marichal (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1008106&position=P)
SP. Curt Schilling (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=73&position=P)
SP. Josh Beckett (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=510&position=P)
SP. Dan Haren (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1757&position=P)
LP/SS. Cole Hamels (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4972&position=P)
MRP. Carlos Marmol (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2790&position=P)
MRP. Bryan Harvey (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005469&position=P)
LOOGY. Willie Hernandez (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005714&position=P)
RELIEF ACE RH: Francisco Rodriguez (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1642&position=P)
RELIEF ACE LH: Billy Wagner (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=578&position=P)
CL. Hoyt Wilhelm (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013945&position=P)



The Line-Up
1. Barry Larkin: 9-time SS, 3-time GG, 1995 MVP, .295/.371/.444/.815, 116 OPS+, .366 wOBA, 69.8 WAR (3.9 AVG)

2. Brian Giles: .291/.400/.502/.902, 136 OPS+ .388 wOBA, 57.8 WAR (4.4 AVG)

3. Stan Musial: 3-time MVP, .331/.417/.559/.976, 159 OPS+, .436 wOBA, 139.3 WAR (6.3 AVG)

4. Manny Ramirez: 9-time SS, 2 time Hank Aaron, .313/.411/.589/1.000, 155 OPS+ .418 wOBA, 72.0 WAR (4.3 AVG)

5. Mark Teixeira: 2-time SS and GG, .287/.377/.540/.917, 136 OPS+, .389 wOBA, 35.7 WAR (5.1 AVG)

6. Scott Rolen: 2002 SS, 7-time GG, .284/.370/.500/.870, 125 OPS+ .374 wOBA, 70.2 WAR (5.0 AVG)

7. Lou Whitaker: 4-time SS, 3-time GG, .276/.363/.426/.789, 116 OPS+ .352 wOBA, 74.3 WAR (4.1 AVG)

8. Gary Carter: 5-time SS, 3-time GG, .262/.335/.439/.774, 115 OPS+ .341wOBA, 72.5 WAR (4.0 AVG)

Starting Line-Up Average: .292/.381/.500/.881, 132 OPS+, 383 wOBA, 18 GG's, 28SS, 4 MVPs

C. Yadier Molina: 2008 GG, .266/.326/.359, 80 OPS+ .302 wOBA, 13.3 WAR (1.9 AVG), 47% CS

OF. J.D. Drew: .281/.389/.501/.890, 128 OPS+ .384 wOBA, 47.0 WAR (3.9 AVG)

OF. Devon White: 7-time GG, .263/.319/.419/.738, 98 OPS+ .330 wOBA, 137 Runs Saved, 46.0 WAR (2.9 AVG)

INF. Placido Polanco: 2007 GG, .304/.348/.414/.762, 98 OPS+ .335 wOBA, 106 Runs Saved, 37.3 WAR (3.1 AVG)

UTIL. Tony Phillips: .266/.374/.389/.761, 109 OPS+, .345 wOBA 41 Runs Saves, 51.5 WAR (3.0 AVG)




The Staff
1. Pedro Martinez: 3-time CY Winner, 99 TC, 219-100, 2.93 ERA, 154 ERA+, 2.91 FIP, 10.04 K/9, 4.15 K/BB, 3154 K's 89.4 WAR (5.3 AVG)

2. Curt Schilling: 2001 WS MVP 216-146, 3.46 ERA, 128 ERA+, 3.23 FIP, 8.60 K/9 4.39 K:BB, 3116 K's, 86.1 WAR (4.5 AVG)

3. Juan Marichal: 243-142, 2.89 ERA, 123 ERA+ 3.04 FIP, 5.91 K/9, 3.25 K:BB, Wicked leg kick

4. Josh Beckett: 2003 WS MVP 109-70, 3.91 ERA, 114 ERA+, 3.64 FIP, 8.52 K/9, 3.09 K:BB, 32.9 WAR (3.7 AVG)

LRP. Dan Haren: 87-73, 3.70 ERA, 120 ERA+ 3.69 FIP, 7.69 K/9, 3.96 K/BB, 29.9 WAR (4.2 AVG)

LLP. Cole Hamels: 2008 NLCS and WS MVP, 3.64 ERA, 121 ERA+, 3.83 FIP, 8.52 K/9, 3.59 K/BB, .709 OPS against

MR. Carlos Marmol: 2.68 ERA as a RP, 179 ERA+, 3.08 FIP 12.7 K/9, 2.28 K/BB, .550 OPS against

MR. Bryan Harvey: 1991 RR, 2.49 ERA, 162 ERA+, 2.62 FIP, 10.42 K/9, 3.11 K/BB, .561 OPS against

LOOGY. Willie Hernandez: 1984 CY & MVP, 3.38 ERA, 119 ERA+ 3.51 FIP, 6.79 K/9, 2.26 K/BB, .558 OPS vs LH

RELIEF ACE RH: Francisco Rodriguez: 2-time RR, 268+ Saves, 2.50 ERA, 176 ERA+ 2.96 FIP, 11.34 K/9, 2.83 K:BB, .552 OPS vs RH

RELIEF ACE LH: Billy Wagner: 1999 RR, 414+ Saves, 2.35 ERA, 185 ERA+ 2.75 FIP, 11.83 K/9, 3.97 K:BB, .524 OPS vs LH

CL. Hoyt Wilhelm: 144-122, 227 Saves, 2.52 ERA, 147 ERA+ 3.06 FIP, 6.43 K/9, 2.07 K:BB, .595 OPS against, Knuckleballer


Draft Picks
1 (14). Stan Musial
2 (31). Pedro Martinez
3 (58). Juan Marichal
4 (75). Manny Ramirez
5 (102). Curt Schilling
6 (119). Barry Larkin
7 (146). Scott Rolen
9 (190). Gary Carter
9 (198). Brian Giles
10 (199). Josh Beckett
10 (207). Lou Whitaker
11 (234). Billy Wagner
11 (242). Hoyt Wilhelm
12 (243). Mark Teixeira
12 (251). Francisco Rodriguez
16 (341). Carlos Marmol
17 (366). Dan Haren
18 (383). Bryan Harvey
19 (410). J.D. Drew
20 (427). Yadier Molina
21 (454). Willie Hernandez
22 (471). Devon White
23 (498). Placido Polanco
24 (515). Tony Phillips
25 (542). Cole Hamels



Trades

Houston Receives:

Seattle 8th (163)
Seattle 13th (288)
Seattle 14th (295)
Seattle 15th (332)

Seattle Receives:

Houston's 9th (198)
Houston's 10th (199)
Houston's 11th (242)
Houston's 12th (243)



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Why the Pilots Fly in the Post-Season

Offensively we have a very good balance. GREAT infield defense with 18 gold gloves. It is also a very good balanced line-up. Good OBP and speed at the top with the 1995 MVP, Barry Larkin, then the underrated, OBP MONSTER, Brian Giles in the 2-hole. Then the pitcher's will pee down their leg facing the game's most underrated hitter in Stan Musial, with one of the best right handed hitters of all-time Planet ManRam. We all know how powerful and RBI machineish Tex is, I doubt you know how amazing Scott Rolen has been, but he might be a top 5 3B of all-time. Whitaker is a formiddable bat at a weak offensive position, but fabulous with the glove, as is Gary Carter, who in his prime was a top 10 catcher possibly. He had an OPS of .823, and his war was an AVG of 6.3 in his 9 year prime(77-85). Really all I was going for here was balance. With a RLLRSRLR line-up with great OBP and slugging, I feel that is very adequate enough to get me leads for the amazing pitching staff.

Pitching wise. I truly honestly believe it is the best in this whole re-draft. Led by the greatest (in terms of dominance) ever Pedro Martinez. Seriously, Pedro's 1999 is the equivalent of Bonds 2001. It is so mind boggling, you really can't put into words how amazing it was. While other pitchers might have better "counting" numbers, Pedro did it in an ERA where hitting was so rampant. He would make all these pre-WWII players **** their pants. After Pedro is Curt Schilling who is not only one of the greatest pitchers ever, but maybe the best post-season pitcher ever. 11-2 with a 2.23 ERA, mercy, that is clutch. World Series MVP to his credit, plus a bloody sock. Guy would literally pitch until he would die if in the post-season, again another pitcher who dominated in the ERA of offense, more than some pitchers can say. After Schilling we got Juan Marichal, who unfortunately didn't get a lot of post-season time, but one of the most feared pitchers in the 60s (just ask John Roseboro). The Domincan Dandy amassed over 200 wins in his prominent and extravagant career, which was stamped with his wicked leg kick. Closing out the playoff rotation is Mr. Joshua Beckett. Another pitcher who has shown dominance in the modern ERA and great post-season success. 7-3 with a low 3 ERA, and a WS MVP to his credit. The thing about my rotation is these guys hardly walk anyone, and strike a lot of guys out. Which is key vs great line-ups. All these OBP machines won't be able to get their walks like normal who attack the zone. Each of these four men are on the first page of 1000IP on Fangraphs in K/BB ratio.

Bullpen - Without a doubt is the best, only Cole Hamels has an OPS higher than .600! I got match-ups set up as well. A LH and RH relief ace with two relievers who are the best of our time. I truly think Billy Wagner is the best reliever outside of Rivera that the game has ever seen, and absolutely absurd K rate and disgusting vs lefties, and is Francisco Rodriguez when he faces righties. Carlos Marmol is going to strike-out 100 guys AGAIN this year out of the bullpen, which is just absurd. He will be the 7th inning and early I need a strike out guy. Bryan Harvey is just quality, actually has a lower OPS against vs LH than righties as a RHP. He can do whatever is asked. MVP Willie Hernandez is the LOOGY to make LH's cry. Oh, and with all these flamethrowers I got coming in, who is going to close it? One of the greatest relievers of all-time, KNUCKLEBALLER, Hoyt Wilhelm. Put yourself in these shoes on facing a Marmol, Wagner/K-Rod. 98 with insane sliders. Then the nastiest Knuckler ever? Wouldn't even be fair, it would be un-hittable. You will not find a better bullpen in this, you will not find more strikeout pitchers than this. Pitching WINS championships, and there isn't a better all-around staff than this.

Thanks for reading.

vs



Brooklyn Dodgers

http://www.yourspacenow.com/img/mlb15.jpg


Front Office
GM: VRP723 (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/member.php?u=53127) (AIM:ladodgers338)
GM: Pittz (http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/member.php?u=60404) (AIM:soccercity2001)


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Rotation
1. Mordecai "Three Finger" Brown (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1001547&position=P) (R)
HOF | ERA 2.06 (6th) | WHIP 1.066 (9th) | ERA+ 139 (16th) | W-L % .648 (28th) | Shutouts 55 (14th)
Career: 239-130, 2.06 ERA, 1.06 WHIP | 2.36 FIP, 139 ERA+, 3.98 WAR/225 IP | 14 seasons, 56.1 WAR
Single Season Best: 27-9, 1.31 ERA, 0.873 WHIP, 1.71 FIP, 193 ERA+, 8.7 WAR
Postseason: 5-4, 2.97 ERA, 1.092 WHIP, 1.73 FIP, 57.2 IP

2.Orel "Bulldog" Hershiser (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005741&position=P) (R)
3 time AS | 1988 Cy Young | 1988 ML WS MVP | 1988 NL Babe Ruth Award | 1988 ML Player of the Year | 1995 AL ALCS MVP
Career: 204-150, 3.48 ERA, 1.26 WHIP | 3.69 FIP, 112 ERA+, 3.70 WAR/225 IP | 18 seasons, 51.5 WAR
Single Season Best: 23-8, 2.26 ERA, 1.052 WHIP, 3.18 FIP, 149 ERA+, 7.3 WAR
Postseason: 8-3, 2.59 ERA, 1.106 WHIP, 3.38 FIP, 132.0 IP

3.Dizzy Dean (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1003106&position=P) (R)
HOF | 1934 NL MVP | 4 time AS | W-L % .644 (30th) | ERA+ 131 (38th)
Career: 150-83, 3.02 ERA, 1.21 WHIP | 3.22 FIP, 131 ERA+, 4.53 WAR/225 IP | 12 seasons, 39.6 WAR
Single Season Best: 30-7, 2.66 ERA, 1.165 WHIP, 3.23 FIP, 159 ERA+, 8.1 WAR
Postseason: 2-2, 2.88 ERA, 0.990 WHIP, 4.09 FIP, 34.1 IP

4. Adam Wainwright (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2233&position=P)(R)
1 time AS | 3rd in Cy Young 2009
Career: 63-30, 2.92 ERA, 1.195 WHIP | 3.40 FIP, 145 ERA+, 4.92 WAR/225 IP | 6 seasons, 17.9 WAR)
Single Season Best: 19-8, 2.63 ERA, 1.210 WHIP, 3.11 FIP, 157 ERA+, 6.0 WAR
Postseason: 1-0, 0.51 ERA, 0.736 WHIP, 2.05 FIP, 17.2 IP

5.John Tudor (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013215&position=P) (L)
2nd in Cy Young 1985
Career: 117-72, 3.12 ERA, 1.20 WHIP | 3.62 FIP, 125 ERA+, 3.62 WAR/225 IP | 12 seasons, 28.6 WAR[/SIZE]
Single Season Best: 21-8, 1.93 ERA, 0.938 WHIP, 2.71 FIP, 185 ERA+, 7.5 WAR
Postseason: 5-4, 3.41 ERA, 1.311 WHIP, 3.62 FIP, 63.1 IP

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Lineup
1.Rod Carew (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1001942&position=1B/2B) (L)
HOF | 18 time AS | 1967 AL ROY | 1977 AL MVP | 1977 ML Roberto Clemente Award | .328 AVG (36th) | 3053 hits (22nd) | 353 SB (104th)
Career: .328 AVG/.393 OBP/.429 SLG/.822 OPS | 131 OPS+/.370 wOBA/5.33 WAR per 700 PA's | 19 seasons/80.3 WAR
Single Season Best: .388 AVG/.449 OBP/.570 SLG/1.019 OPS, 178 OPS+, .440 wOBA, 10.9 WAR

2.Tris "Grey Eagle" Speaker (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1012309&position=OF) (L)
HOF | 1912 AL MVP | 132.9 WAR (9th) | .345 AVG (6th) | .428 OBP (11th) | .928 OPS (41st) | 2789 Games Played (24th) | 1882 Runs Scored (11th) | 3514 Hits (5th) | 1529 RBI (45th) | 436 SB (54th) | 157 OPS+ (18th)
Career: .345 AVG/.428 OBP/.500 SLG/.928 OPS | 157 OPS+/.436 wOBA/8.32 WAR per 700 PA's | 22 seasons/142.6 WAR
Single Season Best: .383 AVG/.464 OBP/.567 SLG/1.031 OPS, 188 OPS+, .489 wOBA, 11.0 WAR

3.Albert Pujols (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1177&position=1B) (R)
.331 AVG/.425 OBP/.623 SLG/1.048 OPS | 171 OPS+/.434 wOBA/8.61 WAR per 700 PA's
10 seasons | 81 WAR

4.Dick Allen (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1000137&position=1B/3B) (R)
.292 AVG/.378 OBP/.534 SLG/.912 OPS | 156 OPS+/.402 wOBA/6.50 WAR per 700 PA's
15 seasons | 67.9 WAR

5. Charlie Keller (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1006768&position=OF) (L)
.286 AVG/.410 OBP/.518 SLG/.928 OPS | 152 OPS+/.428 wOBA/7.66 WAR per 700 PA's
13 seasons | 50.4 WAR

6.Al Kaline (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1006678&position=OF) (R)
.297 AVG/.376 OBP/.480 SLG/.856 OPS | 134 OPS+/.379 wOBA/6.15 WAR per 700 PA's
22 seasons | 101.9 WAR

7. Thurman Munson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1009334&position=C) (R)
.292 AVG/.346 OBP/.410 SLG/.756 OPS | 116 OPS+/.339 wOBA/5.27 WAR per 700 PA's
11 seasons | 44.4 WAR

8. Alan Trammell (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1013157&position=SS) (R)
.285 AVG/.352 OBP/.415 SLG/.767 OPS | 110 OPS+/.343 wOBA/5.19 WAR per 700 PA's
20 seasons | 69.5 WAR

9. Pitcher's spot

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Defense
C-Thurman Munson: 32.0 Fielding Runs Above Average, 3 Gold Gloves

1B-Albert Pujols: 8.0 UZR/150, 1 Gold Glove

2B-Rod Carew: 16.0 Fielding Runs Above Average

SS-Alan Trammell: 76.0 Fielding Runs Above Average, 4 Gold Gloves

3B-Dick Allen: -46 TZ rating at 3rd

LF-Charlie Keller: 38.0 Fielding Runs Above Average

CF-Tris Speaker: 92.0 Fielding Runs Above Average

RF-Al Kaline: 156.0 Fielding Runs Above Average, 10 Gold Gloves

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Bullpen
LR - Al Leiter (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=883&position=P) (L)
162-132, 3.80 ERA, 1.386 WHIP, 4.10 FIP, 113 ERA+, 1.30 WAR/80 IP (19 seasons, 38.2 WAR)

LOOGY - John "Candy Man" Candelaria (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1001909&position=P) (L)
177-122, 3.33 ERA, 1.184 WHIP, 3.41 FIP, 114 ERA+, 1.20 WAR/80 IP (19 seasons, 37.8 WAR)
Versus Lefties: .215 AVG/.256 OBP/.311 SLG/.567 OPS, 5.27 SO/BB, 88 tOPS+

MR - Gregg Olson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1009791&position=P) (R)
217 saves, 3.46 ERA, 1.381 WHIP, 3.64 FIP, 123 ERA+, 1.63 WAR/80 IP (14 seasons, 13.7 WAR)

MR - Dave Righetti (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1010958&position=P) (L)
252 saves, 3.46 ERA, 1.34 WHIP, 3.38 FIP, 114 ERA+, 1.40 WAR/80IP (16 seasons, 24.1 WAR)

SU - Brian Wilson (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=6485&position=P) (R)
121 saves, 3.32 ERA, 1.332 WHIP, 3.07 FIP, 133 ERA+, 1.57 WAR/80 IP (5 seasons, 4.8 WAR)

SU - John Hiller (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1005817&position=P) (L)
87-76, 2.83 ERA, 1.268 WHIP, 3.39 FIP, 134 ERA+, 1.82 WAR/80 IP (15 seasons, 28.2 WAR)

CL - Lee Smith (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1012175&position=P) (R)
478 saves, 3.03 ERA, 1.256 WHIP, 2.93 FIP, 132 ERA+, 1.88 WAR/80 IP (18 seasons, 30.3 WAR)

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Bench
PH-Mo "Hit Dog" Vaughn (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=899&position=1B) (L)
.293 AVG/.383 OBP/.523 SLG/.906 OPS | 132 OPS+/.386 WOBA/3.68 WAR per 700 PA's
12 seasons | 33.7 WAR

UTIL/INF - Julio Franco (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=87&position=2B/SS) (R)
.298 AVG/.365 OBP/.417 SLG/.782 OPS | 111 OPS+/.349 wOBA/3.50 WAR per 700 PA's
23 seasons | 48.6 WAR

UTIL/OF - Dave "Sky King" Kingman (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=1006939&position=1B/OF) (R)
.236 AVG/.302 OBP/.478 SLG/.780 OPS | 115 OPS+/.343 wOBA/2.36 WAR per 700 PA's
16 seasons | 25.0 WAR

OF - Moises Alou (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=261&position=OF) (R)
.303 AVG/.369 OBP/.516 SLG/.885 OPS | 128 OPS+/.379 wOBA/4.69 WAR per 700 PA's
17 seasons | 53 WAR

C - Brian McCann (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4810&position=C) (L)
.290 AVG/.360 OBP/.493 SLG/.853 OPS | 122 OPS+/.365 WOBA/3.99 WAR PER 700 PA's
6 seasons, 22.7 WAR

MooseWithFleas
08-29-2010, 01:37 AM
Give me the Dodgers. That lineup is scary good.

JDIsMyGod23
08-29-2010, 01:44 AM
My pitching staff absolutely CREAMS the Dodgers, especially bullpen. I don't get the Dodgers hype at all, and never have. Brown is another Dead-Ball Ace, which means nil. Hershiser is just solid, nothing all-time great about him. Dean is actually probably their best pitcher, and Wainwright had started for like 3 years I think. And their line-up isn't that much better.

VRP723
08-29-2010, 01:53 AM
I'd just like to add that one of the more underrated parts of our team is our defense, every player on our team is a plus defender in their careers other than Dick Allen. 7 plus defenders including 3 All Time greats in Trammell, Kaline and Speaker gives us a top defense along with our top offense.

TheRuckus
08-29-2010, 02:11 AM
I love Seattle's pitching staff. Like, love it. But the Dodgers are an excellent team, and JD won last time, so **** him.

Honestly, it's a razor-thin margin.

Pittz
08-29-2010, 03:44 AM
Good luck JD and 1-800-STFU.

Saint Brian
08-29-2010, 05:36 AM
Pilots

Manatoo
08-29-2010, 08:31 AM
Have to go with Seattle here.

Sportfan
08-29-2010, 10:31 AM
Likin the Red Sox on JD's team :p Pilots

JDIsMyGod23
08-29-2010, 10:43 AM
Whoa, wake up on a 8-1 run. Didn't expect that.

1-800-STFU
08-29-2010, 02:58 PM
Here come the Pilots flying to a comeback :)

VRP723
08-29-2010, 03:09 PM
A vote for the Pilots is a vote for lame puns, think about that PSD

JDIsMyGod23
08-29-2010, 04:16 PM
Voting for the Dodgers shows you're an idiot. So, if you want to be dumb, do that.

JDIsMyGod23
08-29-2010, 08:42 PM
2 in a row... don't stop now boys!

moshy2
08-29-2010, 09:14 PM
Seattle has an amazing pitching staff

JDIsMyGod23
08-29-2010, 09:19 PM
Yes they do!

1-800-STFU
08-29-2010, 10:00 PM
Seattle has an amazing pitching staff

This man knows his baseball

BearsBullsCHWS
08-29-2010, 10:32 PM
Pedro is like an automatic 2 wins. in a five game series that makes a huge difference, obviously. Seriously, pedro is his heyday is leaps and bounds above pitcher in the history of baseball.

Baller1
08-29-2010, 11:27 PM
I'll take the Pilots.

1-800-STFU
08-29-2010, 11:40 PM
Pedro is like an automatic 2 wins. in a five game series that makes a huge difference, obviously. Seriously, pedro is his heyday is leaps and bounds above pitcher in the history of baseball.

Agreed :)

Our pitching is so much better than theirs I dont know how we dont win this considering our lineup is still pretty damn good with Manram and Musial at the 3+4.

VRP723
08-29-2010, 11:56 PM
How is Pedro two automatic wins against the best offense he's ever faced? Also, he's definitely the best pitcher on these two teams, but after that you can make an argument that we have the second and third best pitchers between the two teams in Brown and Dean.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 12:02 AM
How is Pedro two automatic wins against the best offense he's ever faced? Also, he's definitely the best pitcher on these two teams, but after that you can make an argument that we have the second and third best pitchers between the two teams in Brown and Dean.

Career wise Marichal is a better pitcher than Dean, and Schilling has always pitched like he has been touched by the hand of god in the postseason.

Matchup wise we have the advantage in every single pitching matchup, and there isn't really an argument against that.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 12:15 AM
Career wise Marichal is a better pitcher than Dean, and Schilling has always pitched like he has been touched by the hand of god in the postseason.

Matchup wise we have the advantage in every single pitching matchup, and there isn't really an argument against that.


And Hershiser isn't a lights out career postseason pitcher?

As for Marichal, I view Dean as a better pitcher, but that can certainly be debated.

You've also neglected to bring up our defensive advantage, we have one of the best defenses around, as opposed to you guys, who probably have the worst outfield defense in the re-draft. Manny is atrocious, Giles played 300 games in center, and not well, and Musial played less than 100 games in right, so he's an unknown. That takes a huge chunk out of your pitching advantage, which is exactly what JD argued during the last re-draft when he build his team around hitting and defense.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 12:16 AM
Schilling absolutely ****ing smoke ****s Brown. Brown struck out NO ONE, in this you need strikeouts. Ok, let's put the ball in play with the greatest offenses ever. Yadier Molina would be itching to get an at-bat vs Brown. Seriously, you know the ERA sucks when you have 3 fingers and good.

And bullpen as I've stated is not even close. These games would be close and my bullpen would hold it more than yours. I could make a case that my 5th option (Harvey) is better than your best. I literally do not understand how the Dodgers are better.

No one has really said why either. 45s, Royals... sure I get it, but not Brooklyn.

EDIT - And our infield defense is fantastic, which neglects the outfield bad D as well. Your INF defense is AVG at best. Allen is goddawful, Carew was meh at 2B when he played there.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 12:20 AM
Carlos Marmol is better than Lee Smith? John Hiller? Really?

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 12:22 AM
Ok, 4th option. And I don't know guy strikes out everyone and allows no home runs. It's debatable. Personally, I like my relievers and pitchers who miss bats. But, I guess I'm (unfortunately) in the minority on that.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 12:34 AM
Mettrix23 only has 1 post and voted LAD.

So it's 19-15 currently.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 12:40 AM
And post to vote in the OTT. I don't care if you don't say who to not vote for. Of course Dodger fans will look for the Dodgers and vote Dodgers, total ***** move. I do not understand after all these RD's why people continue to think this isn't an advantage.

But, if you want to play that way, let's ball.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:02 AM
I mean you waited till your team was up to post that, if you posted it originally when voting began for the 1st rounds we wouldn't of even brought it up but the agenda is pretty obvious.

It is what it is :shrug:

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:05 AM
I see you guys have hired some guy named goblazers7 as an assistant :laugh2:

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:07 AM
I see you clearly cheated. That's what's hilarious actually.

Ian.
08-30-2010, 01:08 AM
I really heart the Pilots. Like...A lot.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:09 AM
I really heart the Pilots. Like...A lot.

So....those Mariners

I love them :love:, totally not boring.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:13 AM
So....those Mariners

I love them :love:, totally not boring.


Mariners baseball is like watching paint dry while reading a Websters dictionary and reciting the pledge of allegiance over and over. A schizophrenic cripple scores more than them.:box::box::box:

Liar!!

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:18 AM
So, no comment on asking a home board to vote seconds after you put up YOUR match-up. I'm playing this one under protest. That is ABSOLUTE BS.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:21 AM
So, no comment on asking a home board to vote seconds after you put up YOUR match-up. I'm playing this one under protest. That is ABSOLUTE BS.

I asked a neutral party if he thought that was cheating and he said he didn't think it was and that he had done the same thing in the past.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:24 AM
So, no comment on asking a home board to vote seconds after you put up YOUR match-up. I'm playing this one under protest. That is ABSOLUTE BS.

I'm not as vocal but I do agree with this. It seems every RD this happens.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:25 AM
That is complete crap. First neutral party, name your source you don't work for the ****ing press.

And it is cheating. First off you lied, the RD didn't just start. You only posted it in the Dodgers forum I presume (hmm I wonder why). And asking the home forum that you post in and a mod in and the team you are using, to vote. ONLY when you put your match-up up is complete and utter garbage. If it isn't "cheating" is insanley unethical, but you know EXACTLY the purpose of what you wants to do, and it in all honesty it's the difference in the vote right now. Which really pisses me off. It's like I played a Season of MLB 10 the Show for a month, and my friend said HEY DUDE CHECK OUT MY ROSTER, erased my season and put his on, all the time put in it for nothing.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:29 AM
That is complete crap. First neutral party, name your source you don't work for the ****ing press.

And it is cheating. First off you lied, the RD didn't just start. You only posted it in the Dodgers forum I presume (hmm I wonder why). And asking the home forum that you post in and a mod in and the team you are using, to vote. ONLY when you put your match-up up is complete and utter garbage. If it isn't "cheating" is insanley unethical, but you know EXACTLY the purpose of what you wants to do, and it in all honesty it's the difference in the vote right now. Which really pisses me off. It's like I played a Season of MLB 10 the Show for a month, and my friend said HEY DUDE CHECK OUT MY ROSTER, erased my season and put his on, all the time put in it for nothing.

I asked Iansnightout, who claims to have done the same thing last re-draft. Ironically enough, that's who knocked me out of the playoffs last re-draft.

As for your comparison, that's not the case at all. I didn't link it to our matchup and say "I'm the Dodgers GM" or anything about me having a team. I simply mentioned that the voting was going on.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:32 AM
I asked Iansnightout, who claims to have done the same thing last re-draft. Ironically enough, that's who knocked me out of the playoffs last re-draft.

As for your comparison, that's not the case at all. I didn't link it to our matchup and say "I'm the Dodgers GM" or anything about me having a team. I simply mentioned that the voting was going on.

It's in your sig.

And it's more of the timing than the act of doing that. If you did it when the voting started for round 1 and not when it started for your matchup we'd have absolutely no issue here.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:33 AM
Then, why not post it in every forum?

I don't care if people "ask" for people to vote on neutral grounds. But, if you post in the forum you are liked in, with a team you are using, that is complete crap. Mariners have like 20 fans here and Ian was the Pirates. That hardly means anything.

Even if so, then he cheated in my book, and just cause he did it doesn't make it right and fair. I'm sure OJ Simpson has different thoughts on marriage and divorce. Let's all follow his model.

Let me go post in the Sawx forum to vote, when I basically have the main 4 guys for their 2 championships and return to glory. I mean I'm not telling them to vote for them! :rolleyes:

Havoc Wreaker
08-30-2010, 01:34 AM
That is complete crap. First neutral party, name your source you don't work for the ****ing press.

And it is cheating. First off you lied, the RD didn't just start. You only posted it in the Dodgers forum I presume (hmm I wonder why). And asking the home forum that you post in and a mod in and the team you are using, to vote. ONLY when you put your match-up up is complete and utter garbage. If it isn't "cheating" is insanley unethical, but you know EXACTLY the purpose of what you wants to do, and it in all honesty it's the difference in the vote right now. Which really pisses me off. It's like I played a Season of MLB 10 the Show for a month, and my friend said HEY DUDE CHECK OUT MY ROSTER, erased my season and put his on, all the time put in it for nothing.
You're analogy sucked dick. :laugh2:

But I agree it's like asking them to vote for you, you know most of them (if not all) will just vote for you without even looking at the rosters.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:35 AM
Then, why not post it in every forum?

I don't care if people "ask" for people to vote on neutral grounds. But, if you post in the forum you are liked in, with a team you are using, that is complete crap. Mariners have like 20 fans here and Ian was the Pirates. That hardly means anything.

Even if so, then he cheated in my book, and just cause he did it doesn't make it right and fair. I'm sure OJ Simpson has different thoughts on marriage and divorce. Let's all follow his model.

My point is that it happened in past re-drafts and no one said it was against the rules. I haven't been around as long as you but no one ever told me that that wasn't allowed.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:38 AM
I'm like 99.9 sure when McJoe ran the NHL ReDraft that if anyone asked for people to vote they got DQ'd. LgndKiller did it with me just saying go vote, but not who for and he got DQ'd.

And I still don't care for the "I didn't know there was rules" again you knew EXACTLY what you wanted to do.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 01:43 AM
Pilots win this one for me

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:45 AM
I'm like 99.9 sure when McJoe ran the NHL ReDraft that if anyone asked for people to vote they got DQ'd. LgndKiller did it with me just saying go vote, but not who for and he got DQ'd.

And I still don't care for the "I didn't know there was rules" again you knew EXACTLY what you wanted to do.

I don't see how the NHL Re-draft is relevant here. Also, I wasn't the person who drew up the rules for this, WCF was. It's not like I had some little plan to cheat. That's not the case. I thought it was a common practice.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:46 AM
Here we come flying back

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:46 AM
You're analogy sucked dick. :laugh2:

But I agree it's like asking them to vote for you, you know most of them (if not all) will just vote for you without even looking at the rosters.

"Your" grammar sucked dick ;)

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:47 AM
How the **** is it NOT relevent. It's another damn RD. The rules say NO CHEATING WHATSOEVER. What the hell does that mean? That's like saying DON'T BREAK THE LAW EVER. Well, no ****.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:47 AM
"Your" grammar sucked dick ;)

:laugh2:

That's what you get for correcting me an hour ago in the Re-Draft forum.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:49 AM
How the **** is it NOT relevent. It's another damn RD. The rules say NO CHEATING WHATSOEVER. What the hell does that mean? That's like saying DON'T BREAK THE LAW EVER. Well, no ****.

I understand, and maybe I would agree if I asked for their vote, but that's not what happened, I simply pointed out that it was going on. And again, the NHL Re-Draft rules are irrelevant because we had a different set of rules. That I didn't make.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 01:49 AM
There's a difference between asking for votes and asking for activity :shrug: I posted in the Red Sox off-topic forum that my team was involved in a playoff matchup and asked people to check it out. I also explained that I wanted their honest opinions and that I wasn't interested in simple votes.

I just want as many opinions as possible. It would be weird for me to go into another forum and ask them to check it out...

As with VRP, I never knew this wasn't allowed? I don't really understand what's wrong with it either, if you aren't asking for votes.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 01:51 AM
Pedro's outfielders Rtot(Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average)
Trot Nixon's Career, RF-22 above average
Darren Lewis' Career, CF-32 above average
Troy O'Leary's Career, LF-22 above average

It's not like they were stellar outfielders. If you average it out, they were about 2 runs above average per year.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:52 AM
I understand, and maybe I would agree if I asked for their vote, but that's not what happened, I simply pointed out that it was going on. And again, the NHL Re-Draft rules are irrelevant because we had a different set of rules. That I didn't make.

You're the dodgers mod, a dodger fan, with the redraft dodgers, going into the dodger forum saying to vote in the redraft when your team comes up.

Just saying :shrug:

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Pedro's outfielders Rtot(Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average)
Trot Nixon's Career, RF-22 above average
Darren Lewis' Career, CF-32 above average
Troy O'Leary's Career, LF-22 above average

It's not like they were stellar outfielders. If you average it out, they were about 2 runs above average per year.

Still, it's better than Manny and Giles, and who knows about Musial.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Pedro's outfielders Rtot(Total Zone Total Fielding Runs Above Average)
Trot Nixon's Career, RF-22 above average
Darren Lewis' Career, CF-32 above average
Troy O'Leary's Career, LF-22 above average

It's not like they were stellar outfielders. If you average it out, they were about 2 runs above average per year.

Which is a lot better than three crummy defenders?

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 01:53 AM
There's a difference between asking for votes and asking for activity :shrug: I posted in the Red Sox off-topic forum that my team was involved in a playoff matchup and asked people to check it out. I also explained that I wanted their honest opinions and that I wasn't interested in simple votes.

I just want as many opinions as possible. It would be weird for me to go into another forum and ask them to check it out...

As with VRP, I never knew this wasn't allowed? I don't really understand what's wrong with it either, if you aren't asking for votes.

Personally, I think the timing is the issue.

Its different if he asked at the beginning of the Redraft playoffs but thats not what he did.

For anyone interested this is the quote:


Hey guys, just a heads up, the voting for the MLB All Time Re-draft started in the MLB forum. Check out the teams and vote if you have the time!

The RD voting had "started" 38 hours prior to this post, it wasnt until 30 minutes after posting his matchup that VRP posted this in the OT forum.

I think thats the issue here.

In the last redraft Ian made it a point to say the RD voting was going on at the start of every single playoff round, EVERY SINGLE ROUND, he didnt wait until his matchup was up to say something.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:54 AM
There's a difference between asking for votes and asking for activity :shrug: I posted in the Red Sox off-topic forum that my team was involved in a playoff matchup and asked people to check it out. I also explained that I wanted their honest opinions and that I wasn't interested in simple votes.

I just want as many opinions as possible. It would be weird for me to go into another forum and ask them to check it out...

As with VRP, I never knew this wasn't allowed? I don't really understand what's wrong with it either, if you aren't asking for votes.

If he did it in any other forum than the Dodgers where he is a mod and regular at I wouldn't see any issue in this. Why not just go to every OTT and post it?

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:54 AM
It is literally mind-boggling how you don't see this as a problem. You are the fat girlfriend asking does this dress make me look fat, really? GIVE ME YOUR HONEST OPINION. Of course you never give your honest opinion, you say no you look great, and you vote for team/posters you know.

You ask for votes, with your sig and avatar SCREAMING I'm the Dodgers. That's not very covert.

And I would have lost a Mock 2 years ago to this exact same reason. But, he did said vote for the Mets.

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 01:57 AM
Still, it's better than Manny and Giles, and who knows about Musial.

Giles in CF in his career is only a -2 defender, which basically makes him average. Small sample size but its not like he's a complete butcher.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 01:58 AM
Personally, I think the timing is the issue.

Its different if he asked at the beginning of the Redraft playoffs but thats not what he did.

For anyone interested this is the quote:

The RD voting had "started" 38 hours prior to this post, it wasnt until 2 hours after posting his matchup that VRP posted this in the OT forum.

I think thats the issue here.

In the last redraft Ian made it a point to say the RD voting was going on at the start of every single playoff round, EVERY SINGLE ROUND, he didnt wait until his matchup was up to say something.

Actually, I think Ian's first post was during this round, because his team had a bye. Regardless, I don't see anything wrong with asking people to vote.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 01:59 AM
Which is a lot better than three crummy defenders?

And so is Dick Allen, and Rod Carew. La di FREAKING da. And who cares if a LF sucks at defense. All the LF is is a ****** defended or an ok OF.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 01:59 AM
Actually, I think Ian's first post was during this round, because his team had a bye. Regardless, I don't see anything wrong with asking people to vote.

Neither do I, but asking people to vote only once your team is up and not at the start of the playoffs seem disingenuous to the max.

Im sure all of the people that lost last round would have liked to get extra activity. (except maybe Phili :) )

Also, Ian told me that he made one for every round and that even though he wasnt positive he thought he even did it after he was eliminated.

Just saying.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:01 AM
Actually, I think Ian's first post was during this round, because his team had a bye. Regardless, I don't see anything wrong with asking people to vote.

Of course you don't, that was clear when you did it. Explain the lie then. The Playoffs just started! Umm, no, no they didn't. I just started, oh by the way it doesn't say who I am in my SIG, Avatar or anything. So you either are a cheater, or a liar. Or IMO both.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:01 AM
And so is Dick Allen, and Rod Carew. La di FREAKING da. And who cares if a LF sucks at defense. All the LF is is a ****** defended or an ok OF.

Someone who watches Manny every day knows the importance of defense in left field.

"And who cares if a LF sucks at defense"

That's a very ignorant comment.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:03 AM
Of course you don't, that was clear when you did it. Explain the lie then. The Playoffs just started! Umm, no, no they didn't. I just started, oh by the way it doesn't say who I am in my SIG, Avatar or anything. So you either are a cheater, or a liar. Or IMO both.

I said the playoffs started, I did not say they just started. You misread my post.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:05 AM
It is literally mind-boggling how you don't see this as a problem. You are the fat girlfriend asking does this dress make me look fat, really? GIVE ME YOUR HONEST OPINION. Of course you never give your honest opinion, you say no you look great, and you vote for team/posters you know.

You ask for votes, with your sig and avatar SCREAMING I'm the Dodgers. That's not very covert.

And I would have lost a Mock 2 years ago to this exact same reason. But, he did said vote for the Mets.

Lol, if voters can't look past personal biases like the team name or those managing the teams, that's ridiculous. Many of the people who have looked at my matchups have voted against me. I did the same thing last redraft and got destroyed.

It's not like I'm asking them something personal that I'll take offense to. I'm asking their honest opinions, because I'd like the better team to win. Personally, I know there are a lot of educated Red Sox fans who stick just to the RS forum that I wanted to know about it so I could see there opinions.

There was honestly no intention of skewing the votes, and I really believe that asking didn't change anything. I wouldn't ask people if I thought they'd just vote for me, I really just want more opinions.

Havoc Wreaker
08-30-2010, 02:05 AM
"Your" grammar sucked dick ;)

Just for that insubordination, I don't agree with you guys anymore.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:06 AM
I said the playoffs started, I did not say they just started. You misread my post.

Oh, 1,000 pardons! I'm still doing this in protest. This is absolute crap, and what pisses me off even more

A) You ignored it at first
B) Don't even think you did anything wrong
C) Speaking of IGNORANCE (*******), that you were oblivious to what you were doing.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 02:07 AM
http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/pedrocy00.html


His 18-6 record is due to the fact that Pedro only received an average of 4 runs of support per game in 2000. (And a total of only 7 runs were scored over his 6 losses.)

Tell me if you think that Pedro Martinez, in his best year (2000) when he went 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, won't get more than a measley 4 runs of support from this offense. In his 6 losses, his offense scored 7, SEVEN, runs for him. That's an average of 1.16 runs per game. I'm thinking that with his offense, and Pedro's superior pitching ability, he wins both of his starts that he starts in this series

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:08 AM
Just for that insubordination, I don't agree with you guys anymore.

Man some GMs just dont know how to deal with the greatest Jew Killer ever :)

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:08 AM
http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/pedrocy00.html



Tell me if you think that Pedro Martinez, in his best year (2000) when he went 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, won't get more than a measley 4 runs of support from this offense. In his 6 losses, his offense scored 7, SEVEN, runs for him. That's an average of 1.16 runs per game. I'm thinking that with his offense, and Pedro's superior pitching ability, he wins both of his starts that he starts in this series

Especially pitching against a non-K pitcher with bad INF defense at two spots. Daggum right!

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:08 AM
Of course you don't, that was clear when you did it. Explain the lie then. The Playoffs just started! Umm, no, no they didn't. I just started, oh by the way it doesn't say who I am in my SIG, Avatar or anything. So you either are a cheater, or a liar. Or IMO both.

You're going way overboard with these personal attacks. It's just a ****ing redraft and clearly his sole intention wasn't to ruin your chances. Chill.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:09 AM
http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/pedrocy00.html



Tell me if you think that Pedro Martinez, in his best year (2000) when he went 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, won't get more than a measley 4 runs of support from this offense. In his 6 losses, his offense scored 7, SEVEN, runs for him. That's an average of 1.16 runs per game. I'm thinking that with his offense, and Pedro's superior pitching ability, he wins both of his starts that he starts in this series

You talked about the great offense backing him up, but didn't mention the fact that he's facing the best offense he's ever seen. You think he'd be as effective facing 4 hitters with career OPS+'s above 150?

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:10 AM
http://www.redsoxdiehard.com/players/pedrocy00.html



Tell me if you think that Pedro Martinez, in his best year (2000) when he went 18-6 with a 1.74 ERA, won't get more than a measley 4 runs of support from this offense. In his 6 losses, his offense scored 7, SEVEN, runs for him. That's an average of 1.16 runs per game. I'm thinking that with his offense, and Pedro's superior pitching ability, he wins both of his starts that he starts in this series

This isn't just a matchup of everyone's career best year

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:11 AM
You're going way overboard with these personal attacks. It's just a ****ing redraft and clearly his sole intention wasn't to ruin your chances. Chill.

It's not insults when they are true. And if it's a "****ing Re-Draft" why not just let it play out and play fair. Ya... will wait for that lie next.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:15 AM
It's not insults when they are true. And if it's a "****ing Re-Draft" why not just let it play out and play fair. Ya... will wait for that lie next.

These are for fun, supposed to be a good time. Part of the FUN is to see what FRIENDS have to say about YOUR team. Not getting friends to simply VOTE for your team. You work so hard, why the hell wouldn't you want the opinions of the people you constantly talk to on this site?

Try not to take this so seriously. If I wanted to cheat, I'd private message all my friends. Clearly we thought what we were doing was harmless, or we wouldn't have done it so openly.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 02:15 AM
You talked about the great offense backing him up, but didn't mention the fact that he's facing the best offense he's ever seen. You think he'd be as effective facing 4 hitters with career OPS+'s above 150?

But you think your two pitchers who pitched pre-1950 (Brown, Dizzy Dean) are going to have the same success in an era where the batters are more favored?

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:18 AM
But you think your two pitchers who pitched pre-1950 (Brown, Dizzy Dean) are going to have the same success in an era where the batters are more favored?

Well that's debatable. Hence the point of the Re-draft. Some people say Ruth wouldn't even crack a starting lineup in the modern game, it's changed too much. That's really one of the biggest debates of the Re-draft.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:19 AM
These are for fun, supposed to be a good time. Part of the FUN is to see what FRIENDS have to say about YOUR team. Not getting friends to simply VOTE for your team. You work so hard, why the hell wouldn't you want the opinions of the people you constantly talk to on this site?

Try not to take this so seriously. If I wanted to cheat, I'd private message all my friends. Clearly we thought what we were doing was harmless, or we wouldn't have done it so openly.

I agree with this completely.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:19 AM
These are for fun, supposed to be a good time. Part of the FUN is to see what FRIENDS have to say about YOUR team. Not getting friends to simply VOTE for your team. You work so hard, why the hell wouldn't you want the opinions of the people you constantly talk to on this site?

Try not to take this so seriously. If I wanted to cheat, I'd private message all my friends. Clearly we thought what we were doing was harmless, or we wouldn't have done it so openly.

You are admitting in this very posts what is wrong. I don't what my friends to see what they think cause there is so much bias. They are MY FRIENDS. If my team name was the Yankees, and this goes in the Yankee forum. I'd win, and if you post in the Dodger forum, you win. Because it has a bias to it. That's why they are posted here because it is as neutral as it can be.

Why shouldn't I take it seriously? As you see I didn't. I barely said anything all day in regards to the match-up, because I thought it was taking care of itself. But, now I'm pissed off, because I feel cheated. Games ARE fun when you don't feel robbed. And who knows if you PM'D people. Speaking of friends, I got a real friend on here with over 100 posts. I should ASK him what he thinks. What a bunch of mularky.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 02:21 AM
Well that's debatable. Hence the point of the Re-draft. Some people say Ruth wouldn't even crack a starting lineup in the modern game, it's changed too much. That's really one of the biggest debates of the Re-draft.

So, how can you possibly give your guys an advantage over anyone in his pitching staff when all of his pitchers are from this current (hitters) era and have had proven success, and in the case of Pedro Martinez, extreme success in one of the best 5 year stretches in the history of baseball. And that is including a time when pitchers had the advantage over hitters.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:22 AM
These are for fun, supposed to be a good time. Part of the FUN is to see what FRIENDS have to say about YOUR team. Not getting friends to simply VOTE for your team. You work so hard, why the hell wouldn't you want the opinions of the people you constantly talk to on this site?

Try not to take this so seriously. If I wanted to cheat, I'd private message all my friends. Clearly we thought what we were doing was harmless, or we wouldn't have done it so openly.

Having said that one has to wonder why you guys didnt ask the question in the lounge and why the approval of Ian was good enough.

You guys should have taken this to the lounge where it could have been discussed and debated... Ultimately if we had come to the decision that it was OK then everyone could have done this and no one would have an issue.

Instead, you guys asked 1 person (who wasnt even a GM at the time) and then didnt say anything to anyone in the Dodgers forum until it was your matchup was posted.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:24 AM
So, how can you possibly give your guys an advantage over anyone in his pitching staff when all of his pitchers are from this current (hitters) era and have had proven success, and in the case of Pedro Martinez, extreme success in one of the best 5 year stretches in the history of baseball. And that is including a time when pitchers had the advantage over hitters.

So just because Three Finger Brown pitched in a different era we have to completely discount everything he did? He has a career ERA of 2.06. Maybe he wouldn't have been as good in the current day, but his ERA+ tells you that he's one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:25 AM
So, how can you possibly give your guys an advantage over anyone in his pitching staff when all of his pitchers are from this current (hitters) era and have had proven success, and in the case of Pedro Martinez, extreme success in one of the best 5 year stretches in the history of baseball. And that is including a time when pitchers had the advantage over hitters.

Thats why I made it a point to not draft pitching from prior to 1969.

The mound was lowered from 15 to 10 to increase offensive productivity in the MLB. I kinda feel anyone before that (Marichal included) has inflated stats.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:25 AM
Having said that one has to wonder why you guys didnt ask the question in the lounge and why the approval of Ian was good enough.

You guys should have taken this to the lounge where it could have been discussed and debated... Ultimately if we had come to the decision that it was OK then everyone could have done this and no one would have an issue.

Instead, you guys asked 1 person (who wasnt even a GM at the time) and then didnt say anything to anyone in the Dodgers forum until it was your matchup was posted.

Wrong, I asked Ian tonight, when I initially posted to vote in the Dodgers forum I did not ask anyone because I did not in any way think I was doing anything wrong.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:26 AM
Thats why I made it a point to not draft pitching from prior to 1969.

The mound was lowered from 15 to 10 to increase offensive productivity in the MLB. I kinda feel anyone before that (Marichal included) has inflated stats.

Inflated stats? Maybe

But do we discount them entirely? No

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:26 AM
Having said that one has to wonder why you guys didnt ask the question in the lounge and why the approval of Ian was good enough.

You guys should have taken this to the lounge where it could have been discussed and debated... Ultimately if we had come to the decision that it was OK then everyone could have done this and no one would have an issue.

Instead, you guys asked 1 person (who wasnt even a GM at the time) and then didnt say anything to anyone in the Dodgers forum until it was your matchup was posted.

I didn't ask anyone? And I got the impression that VRP asked because of the controversy, NOT before it.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:27 AM
I didn't ask anyone? And I got the impression that VRP asked because of the controversy, NOT before it.

Exactly.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:27 AM
You are admitting in this very posts what is wrong. I don't what my friends to see what they think cause there is so much bias. They are MY FRIENDS. If my team name was the Yankees, and this goes in the Yankee forum. I'd win, and if you post in the Dodger forum, you win. Because it has a bias to it. That's why they are posted here because it is as neutral as it can be.

Why shouldn't I take it seriously? As you see I didn't. I barely said anything all day in regards to the match-up, because I thought it was taking care of itself. But, now I'm pissed off, because I feel cheated. Games ARE fun when you don't feel robbed. And who knows if you PM'D people. Speaking of friends, I got a real friend on here with over 100 posts. I should ASK him what he thinks. What a bunch of mularky.

And I can trust my friends to give their honest, unbiased opinions... part of the reason I'm friends with them. Is that so hard to understand?

Regardless, you haven't been cheated, you're just losing and looking for an excuse.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:28 AM
So just because Three Finger Brown pitched in a different era we have to completely discount everything he did? He has a career ERA of 2.06. Maybe he wouldn't have been as good in the current day, but his ERA+ tells you that he's one of the greatest pitchers of all time.

Im so sick of ERA+ (I know its in my clubhouse but thats only because people like it)

The actual formula is

League ERA/Pitcher's ERA

So basically all ERA+ does is point to how much better he was in relation to everyone else.

But if everyone else was also pitching in an era where it was a lot easier to pitch then doesnt that still point to the ERA+ being BS?

I feel like the problem with using ERA+ in this is that the formula is directly tied to the era it self and if the era is flawed, so is the ERA+

Ill point out my write up argument, the mound difference...

That isnt taken into effect with ERA+ at all.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:30 AM
I didn't ask anyone? And I got the impression that VRP asked because of the controversy, NOT before it.

Frankly thats even worse :laugh2:

He did this without asking anyone? Come on!

Ill admit I had the exact same idea but didnt do it because I thought it was bush league.

Had we discussed this and came to a conclusion we all coulda done it.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:30 AM
And I can trust my friends to give their honest, unbiased opinions... part of the reason I'm friends with them. Is that so hard to understand?

Regardless, you haven't been cheated, you're just losing and looking for an excuse.

Eat ****. I'm losing because of Dodger votes. I'm down 3, and there's random Dodger fan, and another dude who is friends with Pittz. How the **** do I know if they would have voted in here without your message. So, yes I have been cheated.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:32 AM
Who's goblazers7 and why'd he vote GM? :laugh2:

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:32 AM
Frankly thats even worse :laugh2:

He did this without asking anyone? Come on!

Ill admit I had the exact same idea but didnt do it because I thought it was bush league.

Had we discussed this and came to a conclusion we all coulda done it.

How is it worse? All it does is prove that I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:33 AM
What about Ian and sportfan6197? Both friends that voted for you...

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:33 AM
Who's goblazers7 and why'd he vote GM? :laugh2:

I went to the "I wanna be GM forum" and asked what he thought.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:34 AM
Who's goblazers7 and why'd he vote GM? :laugh2:

Not sure, but I have a strong suspicion that JD hired him to kill us.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:35 AM
What about Ian and sportfan6197? Both friends that voted for you...

Yea, since two people who participated in this and active users everywhere is the exact same thing.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:40 AM
I PM'd Lavigne and WCF basically the only two legit commishes left on the situation. They have been in several RD's and know what the proper way of doing it is.

-Lavigne43-
08-30-2010, 02:40 AM
Wow this got close.

Also, the same people who say pitchers stats are inflated from the pre-60's era also like to discredit hitters from that same era. Shouldn't they be praising hitters from that era more since pitchers had more advantages during that time frame?

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:40 AM
How is it worse? All it does is prove that I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.

Its worse because you should have known better, because this is the first active RD ive done and even I knew it was more than likely bush league.

Ive seen two RDs since 07 get called because of this exact issue, you know its a touchy subject.

And again then you combine that with the timing/signature/only your forum and the entire thing seems wrong.

Furthermore, I ultimately came to the conclusion it was bush league for me to do it because I thought it would be unfair if me, DaSox, JD and STFU all got a leg up because I made a mention of it in our OT thread.

I thought by saying something 3 of the 6 teams in the West would all benefit so I didnt do it cause I thought it was cheap.

I dont see how you cant think there's something wrong with not at least asking first, especially considering the history.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:42 AM
When you saw that I posted in the Dodgers Off-Topic forum, your first response was to post in your own Off-Topic forum. This is the third PSD baseball game I've been in and the second Re-draft and no one ever told me it was against the rules.

Like I said, I thought it was a common practice.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 02:43 AM
I wasn't aware of any history :shrug:

And JD, I forgot sportfan was in this lol.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:44 AM
Wow this got close.

Also, the same people who say pitchers stats are inflated from the pre-60's era also like to discredit hitters from that same era. Shouldn't they be praising hitters from that era more since pitchers had more advantages during that time frame?

I never discredited those hitters, what I have said is that batters from those eras who do not have very high BattingAverages would probably get owned because they weren't even above average hitters in their own era to begin with.

Someone like Ty Cobb would probably be solid in today's game, but someone with even a .300 AVG wouldnt.

Thats simply my own personal take.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:44 AM
Wow this got close.

Also, the same people who say pitchers stats are inflated from the pre-60's era also like to discredit hitters from that same era. Shouldn't they be praising hitters from that era more since pitchers had more advantages during that time frame?

My thoughts are there were A LOT of ****** players back them to make good batters a little better from bad fielding and bad pitching (tired pitching too) and pitchers better with guys who hit no home runs and only hit singles.

No blacks, latins, asians. Game wasn't even using it's best players then. Also no strategy, no specialists. I doubt someone like Lou Gehrig (random name) would hit a Billy Wagner well in the 8th like he did with pitchers throwing their 200 pitch or something.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:46 AM
When you saw that I posted in the Dodgers Off-Topic forum, your first response was to post in your own Off-Topic forum. This is the third PSD baseball game I've been in and the second Re-draft and no one ever told me it was against the rules.

Like I said, I thought it was a common practice.

Well it wasnt, and even though JD and STFU posted word for word the exact same thing in our OT thread after they saw yours that still gives you a 24 hour period where yours was up and there's wasnt.

Then they get a 12 hour period of it being even (and a good 9 of those hours are when people are asleep)

Its not fair.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:48 AM
When you saw that I posted in the Dodgers Off-Topic forum, your first response was to post in your own Off-Topic forum. This is the third PSD baseball game I've been in and the second Re-draft and no one ever told me it was against the rules.

Like I said, I thought it was a common practice.

1) I didn't even do it
2) I would have waited for your response as to why
3) From that response, THEN I would have done it since it's BS.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:49 AM
Well it wasnt, and even though JD and STFU posted word for word the exact same thing in our OT thread after they saw yours that still gives you a 24 hour period where yours was up and there's wasnt.

Then they get a 12 hour period of it being even (and a good 9 of those hours are when people are asleep)

Its not fair.

And that as well.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:50 AM
Well it wasnt, and even though JD and STFU posted word for word the exact same thing in our OT thread after they saw yours that still gives you a 24 hour period where yours was up and there's wasnt.

Then they get a 12 hour period of it being even (and a good 9 of those hours are when people are asleep)

Its not fair.

Again, no one said it was against the rules. You're making it seem as though we maliciously went out of our way to cheat in this. That's not what happened. We posted in an Off-Topic forum.

How do I know that JD didn't shoot an e-mail or IM to his friend BBCHWS to vote? I don't, but for some reason he showed up and voted for JD when the voting got close.

-Lavigne43-
08-30-2010, 02:51 AM
At least 2 of the Dodgers votes don't count because of post count. Not sure if those votes were subtracted yet.
I don't think there are any rules against asking people to vote but I completely understand why this would upset you. I don't think there is anything that can be done.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:52 AM
Again, no one said it was against the rules. You're making it seem as though we maliciously went out of our way to cheat in this. That's not what happened. We posted in an Off-Topic forum.

How do I know that JD didn't shoot an e-mail or IM to his friend BBCHWS to vote? I don't, but for some reason he showed up and voted for JD when the voting got close.

What are you kidding me BBCHWS is a regular in the Sox forum and a veteran of a few RDs himself its not like he appears randomly to vote. He's no fool that just came in here arguing for JD cause it was close.

I also again would like to point out, no one said it was against the rules but no one said it was right either.

The fact that no one else did it should tell you something...

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:52 AM
At least 2 of the Dodgers votes don't count because of post count. Not sure if those votes were subtracted yet.
I don't think there are any rules against asking people to vote but I completely understand why this would upset you. I don't think there is anything that can be done.

Well one of those is a Dodgers fan, the other is some random guy with one post.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:54 AM
Again, no one said it was against the rules. You're making it seem as though we maliciously went out of our way to cheat in this. That's not what happened. We posted in an Off-Topic forum.

How do I know that JD didn't shoot an e-mail or IM to his friend BBCHWS to vote? I don't, but for some reason he showed up and voted for JD when the voting got close.

Also, let's say somehow your right, that somehow BBCHWS and JD are in cahoots because they were Co's in other RDs.

At least he came in here arguing his points, unlike your Dodger faithful who voted and left.

The real issue here is that we didnt adopt the NFL mock rule that anyone who votes must also explain their vote.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:54 AM
What are you kidding me BBCHWS is a regular in the Sox forum and a veteran of a few RDs himself its not like he appears randomly to vote. He's no fool that just came in here arguing for JD cause it was close.

I also again would like to point out, no one said it was against the rules but no one said it was right either.

The fact that no one else did it should tell you something...

That's kind of my point. I don't know what went on, so I have no right to comment. He may have came in here and looked at both teams and decided that the Pilots were better, who knows, but lets not act like I'm the only person who's benefiting from their own fans, both White Sox fans (you and BBCHWS) voted for JD.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:55 AM
What I want to happen is every vote I get the next 12 or so hours counts and every Dodger vote they get is void. I have only 2 hours of campaigning for votes when they have had 24 hours now.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:57 AM
What I want to happen is every vote I get the next 12 or so hours counts and every Dodger vote they get is void. I have only 2 hours of campaigning for votes when they have had 24 hours now.

Campaigning? That's ridiculous, I posted for people to vote, there was no campaigning.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 02:57 AM
That's kind of my point. I don't know what went on, so I have no right to comment. He may have came in here and looked at both teams and decided that the Pilots were better, who knows, but lets not act like I'm the only person who's benefiting from their own fans, both White Sox fans (you and BBCHWS) voted for JD.

What are you kidding me? I voted for him because JD's team literally stands on the basis of every argument I have made this entire redraft.

Old school pitching sucks ***, and that's all you have in your rotation. How in the world would you have expected me to vote for you?

JD has 1 guy not from the Steroids ERA in his playoff rotation.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 02:58 AM
What are you kidding me? I voted for him because JD's team literally stands on the basis of every argument I have made this entire redraft.

Old school pitching sucks ***, and that's all you have in your rotation. How in the world would you have expected me to vote for you?

JD has 1 guy not from the Steroids ERA in his playoff rotation.

Again, you're missing what I'm saying.

I have no right to question anyone's motives for voting, no one does.

That's my point.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 02:59 AM
Campaigning? That's ridiculous, I posted for people to vote, there was no campaigning.

So did STFU, give me 24 hours like you had.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 03:00 AM
In that case we'll void all the votes you got in the first 12 hours or so...? Otherwise that wouldn't be fair at all.

And calling it campaigning is ridiculous.

-Lavigne43-
08-30-2010, 03:02 AM
My thoughts are there were A LOT of ****** players back them to make good batters a little better from bad fielding and bad pitching (tired pitching too) and pitchers better with guys who hit no home runs and only hit singles.

No blacks, latins, asians. Game wasn't even using it's best players then. Also no strategy, no specialists. I doubt someone like Lou Gehrig (random name) would hit a Billy Wagner well in the 8th like he did with pitchers throwing their 200 pitch or something.

The way I see it is this. If Billy Wagner time traveled and played baseball in that time period he would dominate, while if Gehrig or anyone else traveled into the future and played in todays game he wouldn't do so well. There are countless advances that have happened over time which has caused performance to be better today.

If a clone of Lou Gehrig was playing in today, benefiting as he grew up from all the modern day advances, etc, I believe he would be one of the greatest of this generation

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:02 AM
In that case we'll void all the votes you got in the first 12 hours or so...? Otherwise that wouldn't be fair at all.

And calling it campaigning is ridiculous.

Why, I didn't tell a single ****ing person to vote. I've been in 5 of these things. I know how to do it properly. It's campaigning, might even be worse. Campaigning is two neutral people saying to vote.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:04 AM
The way I see it is this. If Billy Wagner time traveled and played baseball in that time period he would dominate, while if Gehrig or anyone else traveled into the future and played in todays game he wouldn't do so well. There are countless advances that have happened over time which has caused performance to be better today.

If a clone of Lou Gehrig was playing in today, benefiting as he grew up from all the modern day advances, etc, I believe he would be one of the greatest of this generation

Gehrig is a pretty bad example. I think any player who hit for legit power then would still be very good now, but not single hitters. I think like Cobb would at best be like Ichiro or something, then you got the dead-ball stars, who are only stars because of who they played against (which was awful competition).

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:04 AM
Again, you're missing what I'm saying.

I have to right to question anyone's motives for voting, no one does.

That's my point.

Im assuming you meant you have no right to question...

My point is the difference between you questioning his votes and him questioning yours is that your lead has actually come from you telling everyone in the Dodger forum (right as your matchup came up, not everyone elses in the first round) that the RD voting had started (again 38 hours ago) and even though you didnt say vote for me, its like dude, come on. Your in the Dodger forum as the Dodger mod with your Brooklyn avatar and sig with your clubhouse (which has been there in one way or another for awhile anyways) basically telling people

"Hey guys, MY voting has started, go check it out."

Even if you truly believe thats not what you were doing, you were.

Ill go back to my original point: Its a clear advantage and you dont have to be a genius to figure it out that doing it is going to get you more votes. Now Having said that, no other GM did it. NOT 1! 38 hours after the RD voting had started, NO ONE had done it. That should have made you think at the very least...hmm MAYBE I SHOULD ASK SOMEBODY FIRST!

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:07 AM
Im assuming you meant you have no right to question...

My point is the difference between you questioning his votes and him questioning yours is that your lead has actually come from you telling everyone in the Dodger forum (right as your matchup came up, not everyone elses in the first round) that the RD voting had started (again 38 hours ago) and even though you didnt say vote for me, its like dude, come on. Your in the Dodger forum as the Dodger mod with your Brooklyn avatar and sig with your clubhouse (which has been there in one way or another for awhile anyways) basically telling people

"Hey guys, MY voting has started, go check it out."

Even if you truly believe thats not what you were doing, you were.

Ill go back to my original point: Its a clear advantage and you dont have to be a genius to figure it out that doing it is going to get you more votes. Now Having said that, no other GM did it. NOT 1! 38 hours after the RD voting had started, NO ONE had done it. That should have made you think at the very least...hmm MAYBE I SHOULD ASK SOMEBODY FIRST!

People had done it in the past, I've seen it done, that's why I didn't ask, because I saw others do it and not be called out.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:08 AM
People had done it in the past, I've seen it done, that's why I didn't ask, because I saw others do it and not be called out.

How did you know in the past people have done it?

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:09 AM
How did you know in the past people have done it?

I've seen them do it.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:11 AM
If I really wanted to win at all costs, I could have ended the voting at midnight. That's when I initially said I planned on ending it. And I'd have won. WSF, we even talked about it, and we both agreed, it wouldn't be fair to the teams that are close in the voting.

However, I wanted it to be fair so I pushed the ending back so more people could see the thread.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:11 AM
I've seen them do it.

Who?

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:13 AM
If I really wanted to win at all costs, I could have ended the voting at midnight. That's when I initially said I planned on ending it. And I'd have won. WSF, we even talked about it, and we both agreed, it wouldn't be fair to the teams that are close in the voting.

However, I wanted it to be fair so I pushed the ending back so more people could see the thread.

I also want to make it clear that when this entire thing started I immediately told JD that.

But, I would also point out that you and I agreed 12 more hours (almost all of which was at night when people were sleeping) would make 0 difference.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:18 AM
Who?

Since you asked, I just went back and looked at the Off-Topic thread in the Phillies forum from around the time of the last re-draft and TheRuckus, who was the commish last time, said this


I just PMed you a link to my roster. And you should vote on my matchup next round.


The second round of re-draft playoffs is up. I'm the Phillies, naturally.

So in the only other re-draft that Pittz and I participated in, the commissioner did exactly what we did, and probably worse.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:20 AM
Since you asked, I just went back and looked at the Off-Topic thread in the Phillies forum from around the time of the last re-draft and TheRuckus, who was the commish last time, said this

Tell me the time between those posts please. And, I'm willing to bet TR and UGA talked before to actually confirm doing this. You told me absolutely ****. You ask me can I ask I either say **** you, or ok sure. But we are on the same playing field. You are essentially using steroids in this game.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:23 AM
Tell me the time between those posts please. And, I'm willing to bet TR and UGA talked before to actually confirm doing this. You told me absolutely ****. You ask me can I ask I either say **** you, or ok sure. But we are on the same playing field. You are essentially using steroids in this game.

That's not the case, because UGA did not post anything in his Off-Topic forum.

My point is, last re-draft the commish did what I did, but maybe worse. How would i know it was wrong when I saw the commish do it last re-draft?

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:23 AM
Aside from what happened in the last RD you should have been able to put two and two together.

In a league with some of the most experienced RD GMs in this site's history not 1, NOT 1, in 38 hours did what you did.

Perhaps the first thought that should have come to mind wasnt what other people had done in the past but that why no one here was doing it when it was clear advantage that no one else was taking.

ALSO! Since you are the Commish of this Redraft you absolutely should have at least said something to us in regards to what you did, or better yet said something after no one else had done it. You had the power to put everyone on a equal playing field and instead you did nothing.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:27 AM
That's not the case, because UGA did not post anything in his Off-Topic forum.

I actually remember talking to TR on AIM about this, sadly it was too long ago for my AIM to archive it. I told him he was a *** for asking for votes and he said well he did it first. I guess we will have to ask them the situation. I'm pretty sure TR told me several times that asking to vote was bunk, but he only did it cause he was getting robbed by UGA and the Braves fans.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:27 AM
Aside from what happened in the last RD you should have been able to put two and two together.

In a league with some of the most experienced RD GMs in this site's history not 1, NOT 1, in 38 hours did what you did.

Perhaps the first thought that should have come to mind wasnt what other people had done in the past but that why no one here was doing it when it was clear advantage that no one else was taking.

ALSO! Since you are the Commish of this Redraft you absolutely should have at least said something to us in regards to what you did, or better yet said something after no one else had done it. You had the power to put everyone on a equal playing field and instead you did nothing.

Why? Multiple people did this exact same thing last re-draft and no one said anything. Putting 2 and 2 together would make me believe that there was nothing wrong with it.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:30 AM
Why? Multiple people did this exact same thing last re-draft and no one said anything. Putting 2 and 2 together would make me believe that there was nothing wrong with it.

You never thought maybe they were in the wrong and just never got caught?

You seriously never stopped to think that since no one else was doing it in THIS redraft maybe you shouldnt either? Come on man...

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:31 AM
Why? Multiple people did this exact same thing last re-draft and no one said anything. Putting 2 and 2 together would make me believe that there was nothing wrong with it.


That was one instance, I just read their thread. It only happened because TR was getting raped by Braves fans. Which I assume, cause he knew UGA asked first.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 03:33 AM
You never thought maybe they were in the wrong and just never got caught?

You seriously never stopped to think that since no one else was doing it in THIS redraft maybe you shouldnt either? Come on man...

I didn't go into every forum and look at the OT forums. Forgive me for that.

My point is, last re-draft multiple teams did it. Possibly even me, I'm not sure I don't remember, and no one got called out on it. It was the only other re-draft I was in, wouldn't you think it was alright if your only other experience in re-drafts saw everyone else do it as well.

As for "wrong and never got caught" The commish did it and JD called him out on it, JD admit to it, obviously TheRuckus didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 03:34 AM
It really is just like steroids. You saw others do it, so you thought it was ok, there is no rules against it, it helped you and gave you an unfair advantage and didn't even ASK ME the opponent if you could or if I wanted to ask, you just assume I would be a slimy **** too and do the same.

MooseWithFleas
08-30-2010, 03:34 AM
Well this is a complete buzzkill to the fun that redrafts are suppose to be. It seems every year there is a fight like this and I immediately lose interest afterward.

whitesoxfan83
08-30-2010, 03:35 AM
I didn't go into every forum and look at the OT forums. Forgive me for that.

My point is, last re-draft multiple teams did it. Possibly even me, I'm not sure I don't remember, and no one got called out on it. It was the only other re-draft I was in, wouldn't you think it was alright if your only other experience in re-drafts saw everyone else do it as well.

As for "wrong and never got caught" The commish did it and JD called him out on it, JD admit to it, obviously TheRuckus didn't see anything wrong with what he was doing.

Im almost willing to bet money he'll come in here tomorrow and say that both teams did it and thats what made it fair.

Either way, ive beat this horse enough, I know she's still kicking a bit but you guys can take it. This isnt my mess to clean up. Good luck.

poodski
08-30-2010, 07:39 AM
I would like to change my pick from the Dodgers to the Pilots.

I thought these were 7 game series.

koldjerky
08-30-2010, 09:10 AM
Neither do I, but asking people to vote only once your team is up and not at the start of the playoffs seem disingenuous to the max.

Im sure all of the people that lost last round would have liked to get extra activity. (except maybe Phili :) )

Also, Ian told me that he made one for every round and that even though he wasnt positive he thought he even did it after he was eliminated.

Just saying.

The funny thing is is that I got mostly Philly votes and I didn't even ask them :laugh2:

Which kind of leads me to posters playing favoritism regardless. There are a variety of fans from different teams that post in here regardless. Some of them just look at the team name not even looking at the team and will vote for their city. That seems to be a small percentage, but in a tight race it'll matter.

And to just show ignorance, I have asked for votes directly in the past. I did it because I honestly thought everyone was doing it. Posters in other redrafts have sent me PMs and the like numerous times to go and vote in the redraft or specifically for their team.

I can see how it's unfair expecially if you're a fan of a team with less posters it'd be harder to accrue the same amount of votes as the other team because then I'd almost just say let them recruit votes because there really is no way to catch it.

poodski
08-30-2010, 09:17 AM
The funny thing is is that I got mostly Philly votes and I didn't even ask them :laugh2:

I think this is an interesting idea for future redrafts. We didn't put the seedings here for the purpose of people not looking and just voting maybe we should in the future not use names and just say team A and team B when it goes to the MLB forum.

Ian.
08-30-2010, 09:32 AM
Let me just say that last RD I posted in the Mariners OT thread and I don't think they even voted for me. :laugh2:

koldjerky
08-30-2010, 09:39 AM
I think this is an interesting idea for future redrafts. We didn't put the seedings here for the purpose of people not looking and just voting maybe we should in the future not use names and just say team A and team B when it goes to the MLB forum.

I was actually thinking the same thing. And make sure in the team you don't list who the GMs are; however, you'll still have the GM option. Or we just make up team names and then you aren't allowed to list a link or anything describing your team in your sig.

Obviously the only way posters will know who your team is is if you PM them or if they venture in to the MLB redraft forum.

And if we make up team names I claim dibs on Team JDIsMyGod23 just so all the whitesox fans vote for me.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 10:48 AM
At least 2 of the Dodgers votes don't count because of post count. Not sure if those votes were subtracted yet.
I don't think there are any rules against asking people to vote but I completely understand why this would upset you. I don't think there is anything that can be done.


I would like to change my pick from the Dodgers to the Pilots.

I thought these were 7 game series.

If neither of these changes have taken effect yet, does that mean the vote is now tied at 20-20?

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 10:58 AM
If neither of these changes have taken effect yet, does that mean the vote is now tied at 20-20?

It's 21 to 21

Nettrix has 1 post so his votes dont count for the Dodgers, and poodski is a 2 vote swing.

poodski
08-30-2010, 11:01 AM
Good to see some close votes this round.

poodski
08-30-2010, 11:02 AM
I was actually thinking the same thing. And make sure in the team you don't list who the GMs are; however, you'll still have the GM option. Or we just make up team names and then you aren't allowed to list a link or anything describing your team in your sig.

Obviously the only way posters will know who your team is is if you PM them or if they venture in to the MLB redraft forum.

And if we make up team names I claim dibs on Team JDIsMyGod23 just so all the whitesox fans vote for me.

Well in the redraft forum we could have names, but when it comes in here just say team A or team B. I think its much fairer.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 11:09 AM
I didn't realize these weren't seven game series either. Why aren't they...?

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 11:13 AM
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poodski
08-30-2010, 11:22 AM
I didn't realize these weren't seven game series either. Why aren't they...?

Yeah I don't get it. I honestly like the Dodgers in a 7 game series, but in 5 games I like the Pilots simply because going Pedro twice is almost two gauranteed wins. One of Shilling and Beckett is going to most likely win one as well.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 11:22 AM
It is now tied 22-22.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 11:23 AM
It's 21 to 21

Nettrix has 1 post so his votes dont count for the Dodgers, and poodski is a 2 vote swing.

Using the current score, JD and your team is up 22-21.
VRP loses two votes due to the poster with 1 post and losing Poods vote.
JD and your team gains a vote from Poods

Sportfan
08-30-2010, 11:25 AM
Campaigning? That's ridiculous, I posted for people to vote, there was no campaigning.
Uhhhh you put it in YOUR forum, so yea people are more likley to vote for you. Not to mention your team is the Dodgers. It's pretty obvious you posted it in your forum to get people to vote for you.


It's always been a rule. At least in the redrafts I've been

1-800-STFU
08-30-2010, 11:25 AM
Using the current score, JD and your team is up 22-21.
VRP loses two votes due to the poster with 1 post and losing Poods vote.
JD and your team gains a vote from Poods

This is true unless the totals have already been changed. JD says the vote was taken away but poods hasn't been added. I didn't know the names didn't disappear when the votes were taken away.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 11:27 AM
This is true unless the totals have already been changed. JD says the vote was taken away but poods hasn't been added. I didn't know the names didn't disappear when the votes were taken away.

Well if the vote has already been taken away, then its 22-22. I didn't know that after you voted you couldn't see who else voted on the poll

Sportfan
08-30-2010, 11:39 AM
It is literally mind-boggling how you don't see this as a problem. You are the fat girlfriend asking does this dress make me look fat, really? GIVE ME YOUR HONEST OPINION. Of course you never give your honest opinion, you say no you look great, and you vote for team/posters you know.

You ask for votes, with your sig and avatar SCREAMING I'm the Dodgers. That's not very covert.

And I would have lost a Mock 2 years ago to this exact same reason. But, he did said vote for the Mets.

:laugh:



SJ and Westbrook got DQ'd in the finals in the MLB mock offseason 2 years ago, when SJ posted it in the mets OT forum, so I fail to see the difference.


Oh and VRP, you have at least 5 people voting for you that are Dodger fans and that's just by looking at their names. I'm sure there's more.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 11:41 AM
:laugh:



SJ and Westbrook got DQ'd in the finals in the MLB mock offseason 2 years ago, when SJ posted it in the mets OT forum, so I fail to see the difference.


Oh and VRP, you have at least 5 people voting for you that are Dodger fans and that's just by looking at their names. I'm sure there's more.

And I was down 7-0 in a heartbeat, and I know 3 were legit Dodger fans. Anyways up 2 now!

VRP723
08-30-2010, 11:53 AM
Voting's tied with 7 minutes left, so I guess next vote wins it all, should be interesting.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 11:54 AM
Voting's tied with 7 minutes left, so I guess next vote wins it all, should be interesting.

I'm up two. Poodski changed his vote.

VRP723
08-30-2010, 11:56 AM
I'm up two. Poodski changed his vote.

Oh, I was wondering what people were talking about. And it's 5 games because it's like the first round of the playoffs in baseball.

ABOMB_56
08-30-2010, 11:57 AM
:ohno: This is close, coming down to the wire

Off topic, but what happens if one of the playoff match-ups ends in a tie? Do you extend the time for an extra hour or something?

poodski
08-30-2010, 11:58 AM
Oh, I was wondering what people were talking about. And it's 5 games because it's like the first round of the playoffs in baseball.

Ah I figured it would be like the second round. I dont really get it, I guess, but oh well. I made my clubhouse for 7.

JDIsMyGod23
08-30-2010, 12:00 PM
This ballgame is OVA!

DaSox_05
08-30-2010, 12:07 PM
Wow this is close didnt think it would be. In regards to posting in your teams forum OT thread. I was thinking about doing it. When my White Sox were playing the Royals, but I didnt do it cuz its kind of a shaddy move.

Pittz
08-30-2010, 12:54 PM
Yeah, I don't get it. It's the second round, so shouldn't it be 7 games?

Pittz
08-30-2010, 12:56 PM
Oh... because the first round byes. Oh well.