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Mile High Champ
08-20-2010, 12:55 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.


[B]REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

SF Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

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2009 Off Season SF Rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Carmelo Anthony
3) Kevin Durant
4) Paul Pierce
5) Danny Granger
6) Andre Iguodala
7) Caron Butler
8) Hedo Turkoglu
9) Ron Artest
10) Stephen Jackson

2008 Off-Season SF rankings

1) Lebron James
2) Paul Pierce
3) Carmelo Anthony
4) Caron Butler
5) Ron Artest
6) Shawn Marion
7) Josh Smith
8) Richard Jefferson
9) Lamar Odom
10) Tayshaun Prince

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 12:58 PM
lebron for sure...

Gators123
08-20-2010, 12:59 PM
Easily LeBron

Minimal
08-20-2010, 01:03 PM
No need for #1 SF poll, it's obviously who that is.

Jays Claw
08-20-2010, 01:05 PM
No contest here.

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 01:08 PM
Apparently the LeBron hate has subsided somewhat out to an early lead.

Obviously LeBron

Avenged
08-20-2010, 01:10 PM
Lebron for sure.

If you guys vote for Melo or Durant, you're really putting one of them as the best in the league and that just isn't so.

Sadds The Gr8
08-20-2010, 01:11 PM
Lebron obviously.

Chacarron
08-20-2010, 01:12 PM
Lebron.

NBA-GMaster
08-20-2010, 01:12 PM
Lebron !! Whooohooo!!

magichatnumber9
08-20-2010, 01:13 PM
Lebron

DaBUU
08-20-2010, 01:14 PM
on to #2 (Durant)

NBA-GMaster
08-20-2010, 01:16 PM
on to #2 (Durant)

we could skip that and go to no. 4.. 1. Bron-bron 2. Kevster 3. Mel-O

ManRam
08-20-2010, 01:17 PM
LeBrizzle fo shizzle.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 01:17 PM
who voted for melo? lol

maddBat
08-20-2010, 01:18 PM
we could skip that and go to no. 4.. 1. Bron-bron 2. Kevster 3. Mel-O

:clap: ok lets go 2 #4

beasted86
08-20-2010, 01:18 PM
I'm still waiting on some hater to type out a long paragraph with a loony explanation on not voting for LeBron.

Gators123
08-20-2010, 01:18 PM
who voted for melo? lol

Click on the number of votes, you can see who voted for each player.

NBA-GMaster
08-20-2010, 01:18 PM
who voted for melo? lol

Denver's fan maybe.. lol

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 01:20 PM
derrrr

NBA-GMaster
08-20-2010, 01:20 PM
Denver's fan maybe.. lol

Oops sorry!! A NY's fan..

DaBUU
08-20-2010, 01:20 PM
I'm still waiting on some hater to type out a long paragraph with a loony explanation on not voting for LeBron.

We hate Bron cuz hes a coward and total D-Bag, but it would be silly and a lie to say he isnt one of the two best players on the planet.

shep33
08-20-2010, 01:21 PM
Lebron no doubt

beasted86
08-20-2010, 01:23 PM
We hate Bron cuz hes a coward and total D-Bag, but it would be silly and a lie to say he isnt one of the two best players on the planet.

Nice try... but you hate LeBron because that's what haters do.

DaBUU
08-20-2010, 01:23 PM
Nice try... but you hate LeBron because that's what haters do.

lol

HoopsDrive
08-20-2010, 01:23 PM
Shoulda just went for #4...

1. Bron
2. KD
3. Melo

Gators123
08-20-2010, 01:24 PM
Nevermind. Not gonna happen anyways.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 01:26 PM
Maybe the people voting for KD should explain why they think hes better than LeBron

Because he scores more points [[barely]] and is younger.

That's what I always hear. :shrug:

Brooklyn Mets
08-20-2010, 01:26 PM
who voted for melo? lol

LaLa

Jewelz0376
08-20-2010, 01:27 PM
Like som1 already said 1-3 are obvious...once it gets to to 4 thats where it will get interesting between granger, pierce, and wallace...I would throw Gay in there but he needs to play some D first..

Brooklyn Mets
08-20-2010, 01:28 PM
aside from giving up on your teammates in the playoffs, LeBron is the best SF
Durant very close 2nd followed by Carmelo

The Miami Cheat
08-20-2010, 01:29 PM
gotta say LBJ

Gators123
08-20-2010, 01:29 PM
we could skip that and go to no. 4.. 1. Bron-bron 2. Kevster 3. Mel-O

true.

Brooklyn Mets
08-20-2010, 01:30 PM
Like som1 already said 1-3 are obvious...once it gets to to 4 thats where it will get interesting between granger, pierce, and wallace...I would throw Gay in there but he needs to play some D first..

i would go Pierce at 4 and Granger at 5

still1ballin
08-20-2010, 01:30 PM
I hate the guy, but its Lebron James

Corey
08-20-2010, 01:31 PM
Has to be Lebron, unfortunately.

beasted86
08-20-2010, 01:31 PM
aside from giving up on your teammates in the playoffs, LeBron is the best SF
Durant very close 2nd followed by Carmelo

So isn't "giving up on your teammates in the playoffs" the same thing as dissappearing in the playoffs because you were totally shut down?

2 can play this foolish game.

NBA-GMaster
08-20-2010, 01:32 PM
i would go Pierce at 4 and Granger at 5

Mine is Granger @ 4..

J_M_B
08-20-2010, 01:33 PM
LeBron.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 01:35 PM
You should have skipped #1, the obvious answer is Lebron.

I mean, we can't even discuss if Lebron is better or not because he isn't whatsoever.

There is nothing to discuss here.

Lakerfrk
08-20-2010, 01:35 PM
I hate him.. but it's Lebron

J-Relo
08-20-2010, 01:35 PM
Gallinari.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 01:37 PM
ok so i think we all understand although lebron is hated... he is the best... next!
lol again at one vote for melo

Purch
08-20-2010, 01:38 PM
Igoudola/Pierce/Granger/Wallace


Are all really close.

Purch
08-20-2010, 01:38 PM
Lol at 1 vote for Melo?

How about Lol for 7 Votes for Durant.

DeyAce
08-20-2010, 01:39 PM
Nice try... but you hate LeBron because that's what haters do.

LMAO what a homer

Purch
08-20-2010, 01:41 PM
I'm sorry but voting Durant over Lebron is just as ******** as Voting Melo over Lebron.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 01:41 PM
lol PLEASE do not make this a heat and lebron hatefest

beasted86
08-20-2010, 01:43 PM
I agree with everyone else here...

1- LeBron
2- Durant
3- Carmelo

Then just pick up the voting at #4.

97NYer
08-20-2010, 01:43 PM
LeBron. Easily. You don't have to like him but he's the same player he was last year, if not better.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 01:44 PM
I'm sorry but voting Durant over Lebron is just as ******** as Voting Melo over Lebron.

i agree... they are blinded by hate or bias opinions

lavilevi23
08-20-2010, 01:46 PM
Lebron James easy...

Brooklyn Mets
08-20-2010, 01:49 PM
So isn't "giving up on your teammates in the playoffs" the same thing as dissappearing in the playoffs because you were totally shut down?

2 can play this foolish game.

no its actually not the same thing at all..
Durant was being guarded by one of the leagues best defenders (Ron Artest) and his team was still able to bring it to 6 games against the defending-champion Los Angeles Lakers in the first round..
LeBron clearly quit on his team.. and yeah i know he had a triple double in game 6 or whatever but come on you have to admit that he wasnt playing good team basketball for whatever reason..
im not saying Durant is better than LeBron.. i said LeBron was the better SF EVEN THOUGH he quit on his team in the PLAYOFFS..

Brooklyn Mets
08-20-2010, 01:50 PM
gallinari.

gallo!!!

thescore53
08-20-2010, 01:53 PM
Nice try... but you hate LeBron because that's what haters do.

what would u say if i said kobe is better than wade..... do u like every pro athelte cause you have to or else ur a hater

King Drew
08-20-2010, 01:55 PM
Lebron hands down.

thescore53
08-20-2010, 01:57 PM
i doubt lebron quit. remember couple years back celtics vs cavs. lebron also got shot down that year he was missing layups. lets give credit to the celtic defense

CowboysKB24
08-20-2010, 01:57 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 01:59 PM
LOL at all the people who voted KD and Melo over LBJ, seriously, lol


LBJ
KD
Melo
Granger

Strumpy
08-20-2010, 01:59 PM
ksd

Purch
08-20-2010, 01:59 PM
Granger over

Wallace
Iggy
And Pierce?

sofargone
08-20-2010, 02:00 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.
And how many MVPs does Durant have? And LeBron has been in the finals, so there goes your credibility.

thescore53
08-20-2010, 02:00 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

what ezactly has durant shown you ??

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:01 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

FAIL.....07 finals :laugh:


so Durant been in the finals how many times? Had how many MVPs? etc etc.


Durant is my 3rd fav player in the league next to wade and cp3 but come seriously LBJ>KD

beasted86
08-20-2010, 02:01 PM
what would u say if i said kobe is better than wade..... do u like every pro athelte cause you have to or else ur a hater

I'd say you could make a very good argument for that.

There's probably only 1 or2 players I actually hate in the NBA, maybe Mo Williams, because of numerous incidents, but I really can't think of anyone else.

I hate NBA media, but not really any players.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:02 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

That's a lot more than what Durant has accomplished. :confused:

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:03 PM
I voted KD, he won the scorin title play in Western Conf, which they are more deep then the Eastern conf, more competetion out there in my opinion, LBJ is a beast but KD smooth as silk..... Oh an i'ma a Pistons fan so b4 u say i'm hatin u cleary mistaken jus my opinion,

Purch
08-20-2010, 02:03 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.


What does Durant have to show you with a better supporting cast then Lebron?

I mean I'm pretty sure Russell Westbrook> Anyone Lebron played with on the Cavs

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:03 PM
what would u say if i said kobe is better than wade.....

i would say your right.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:04 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

the question is better player... back to back MVPs doesnt make him better than KD? note not many people have got BACK to BACK MVPs

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:04 PM
FAIL


so Durant been in the finals how many times? Had how many MVPs? etc etc.


Durant is my 3rd fav player in the league next to wade and cp3 but come seriously LBJ>KD

Doesn't matter how many times you go to the finals if you don't win! Trust me i know My Pistons did it almost for a decade, so your Point was a FAIL!!!!

Purch
08-20-2010, 02:06 PM
Doesn't matter how many times you go to the finals if you don't win! Trust me i know My Pistons did it almost for a decade, so your Point was a FAIL!!!!

O ok. So when Im comparing Dirk and Prime Mac.

Since Dirk didn't win it I'm gonna say it doesn't matter an Overlook Mac being a first round virgin

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:07 PM
Doesn't matter how many times you go to the finals if you don't win! Trust me i know My Pistons did it almost for a decade, so your Point was a FAIL!!!!

first of he said "no appearances" which is wrong.:facepalm::facepalm: did he not watch the 07 finals



And its seriously i mean come on, you people are hilarious LBJ is the 2nd best player in the league....

Your points sir are a epic fail.

Antipod
08-20-2010, 02:07 PM
My vote goes to "The new Pippen"

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:09 PM
Doesn't matter how many times you go to the finals if you don't win! Trust me i know My Pistons did it almost for a decade, so your Point was a FAIL!!!!

When ranking a player individually it certainly matters. Lebron carried the Cavs to the Finals by himself with no other legitimate #2 option. That in itself is an unofficial accomplishment considering Durant hasn't even gotten out of the 1st round.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:09 PM
That's a lot more than what Durant has accomplished. :confused:

I thought KD jus won the scorin title this year? So thats a start wouldn't you say all back to back MVP's later what you got in Lebron is A Quitter in th Playoffs then Hauled Tail outta town, So! LBJ an KD are Neck an Neck cleary with the progession of Durant he's at least broken even with LBJ......

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:11 PM
not much of a good argument against LBJ

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:12 PM
I thought KD jus won the scorin title this year? So thats a start wouldn't you say all back to back MVP's later what you got in Lebron is A Quitter in th Playoffs then Hauled Tail outta town, So! LBJ an KD are Neck an Neck cleary with the progession of Durant he's at least broken even with LBJ......

Another epic fail, so your saying winning the scoring title makes you the best in the league. :facepalm:

ALL_i-Do_is-Win
08-20-2010, 02:12 PM
granger is # 4 for me

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:12 PM
I thought KD jus won the scorin title this year? So thats a start wouldn't you say all back to back MVP's later what you got in Lebron is A Quitter in th Playoffs then Hauled Tail outta town, So! LBJ an KD are Neck an Neck cleary with the progession of Durant he's at least broken even with LBJ......

lmao good logic there buddy

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:13 PM
I thought KD jus won the scorin title this year? So thats a start wouldn't you say all back to back MVP's later what you got in Lebron is A Quitter in th Playoffs then Hauled Tail outta town, So! LBJ an KD are Neck an Neck cleary with the progession of Durant he's at least broken even with LBJ......

and FYI

LBJ
Pts 29.7Reb 7.3Ast 8.6

KD
Pts 30.1Reb 7.6Ast 2.8

last year


Keep the good points coming :laugh::laugh:

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:15 PM
When ranking a player individually it certainly matters. Lebron carried the Cavs to the Finals by himself with no other legitimate #2 option. That in itself is an unofficial accomplishment considering Durant hasn't even gotten out of the 1st round.

Thats cause Durant Plays in far Deeper Western Conf Finals an they had to go through the Lakers, An thats a tough defeat, not only that what does it matter u gettin to Finals and gettin swept???? Lol if you the best player on your team you a can mustard up at least on victory wouldn't you agree???

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:17 PM
Thats cause Durant Plays in far Deeper Western Conf Finals an they had to go through the Lakers, An thats a tough defeat, not only that what does it matter u gettin to Finals and gettin swept???? Lol if you the best player on your team you a can mustard up at least on victory wouldn't you agree???

Umm so the Celtics and Magic are a cakewalk??


And again Durant didnt get a finals victory so your contradicting yourself.

Purch
08-20-2010, 02:18 PM
Thats cause Durant Plays in far Deeper Western Conf Finals an they had to go through the Lakers, An thats a tough defeat, not only that what does it matter u gettin to Finals and gettin swept???? Lol if you the best player on your team you a can mustard up at least on victory wouldn't you agree???

So it doesn't matter if one player can win the conference finals and one player can't.


Thats like saying what does it matter getting in the playoffs and getting swept.

Like The T-Wolves are as accomplished as the Mavs

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 02:18 PM
I'm going with Durant. LBJ has shown me nothing, but an MVP. He isn't deserving of this. Going back to back regular season champs and back to back MVPs with no finals appearance... FAIL.

That makes no sense what soever. Are you sure you belong in the NBA forum?

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:19 PM
I thought KD jus won the scorin title this year? So thats a start wouldn't you say all back to back MVP's later what you got in Lebron is A Quitter in th Playoffs then Hauled Tail outta town, So! LBJ an KD are Neck an Neck cleary with the progession of Durant he's at least broken even with LBJ......

Durant scores more points by a measly .3 or so. Not much of a difference. You also have to add that Lebron sat out during the final games of the season to rest up for the playoffs in which Durant then took the lead.

Either way though, if .3 or so makes Durant the better player in your eyes then there really is no point in debating anymore.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:19 PM
Another epic fail, so your saying winning the scoring title makes you the best in the league. :facepalm:

And you sayin havin one finals apperance an bein swept, then quittin on ya team to join Two other stars make you the best player in the league?

AIMelo=KillaDUO
08-20-2010, 02:19 PM
LeBron
Melo
Durant

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 02:20 PM
I voted KD, he won the scorin title play in Western Conf, which they are more deep then the Eastern conf, more competetion out there in my opinion, LBJ is a beast but KD smooth as silk..... Oh an i'ma a Pistons fan so b4 u say i'm hatin u cleary mistaken jus my opinion,

he won the scoring title because he was more assertive and less of a distributor. He may be a purer scorer than LeBron but LeBron can hurt a defense more ways than KD can.

Purch
08-20-2010, 02:21 PM
LeBron
Melo
Durant

:)

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:21 PM
Thats cause Durant Plays in far Deeper Western Conf Finals an they had to go through the Lakers, An thats a tough defeat, not only that what does it matter u gettin to Finals and gettin swept???? Lol if you the best player on your team you a can mustard up at least on victory wouldn't you agree???

west is deeper in the reg season.... not the playoffs.... east is way more top heavy... what exactly has KD done? i scoring champ? what else? has he gone pass the 1st round?

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:22 PM
And you sayin havin one finals apperance an bein swept, then quittin on ya team to join Two other stars make you the best player in the league?

No cause i never said he was the best in the league, but try again. I said along with everyone with commonsense that LBJ is the best SF in the league and the 2nd best player in the league.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:22 PM
Durant scores more points by a measly .3 or so. Not much of a difference. You also have to add that Lebron sat out during the final games of the season to rest up for the playoffs in which Durant then took the lead.

Either way though, if .3 or so makes Durant the better player in your eyes then there really is no point in debating anymore.

LBJ To Rest up Are you serious Rest up for what?????? Lol are you kiddin me the guy didn't even show up in the playoffs,(Until Game 6) you right there is no use in debating....

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:23 PM
And you sayin havin one finals apperance an bein swept, then quittin on ya team to join Two other stars make you the best player in the league?

ohhhhhhhhhhhh now i get it..... its just hate.... no point in debating with this guy anymore guys...

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:23 PM
No cause i never said he was the best in the league, but try again. I said along with everyone with commonsense that LBJ is the best SF in the league and the 2nd best player in the league.

Its not Commonsense Its Group thinkin my boy jus cause everyone else say LBJ is da best doesn't mean its true....

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:24 PM
LBJ To Rest up Are you serious Rest up for what?????? Lol are you kiddin me the guy didn't even show up in the playoffs,(Until Game 6) you right there is no use in debating....

You need to seriously stop posting, theres a reason that "no one agrees with you".



ITS CAUSE UR WRONG!

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:24 PM
Thats cause Durant Plays in far Deeper Western Conf Finals an they had to go through the Lakers, An thats a tough defeat, not only that what does it matter u gettin to Finals and gettin swept???? Lol if you the best player on your team you a can mustard up at least on victory wouldn't you agree???

It doesn't matter. Durant has better players around him than what Lebron had when he went to the Finals anyways.

Lebron single handedly took them so far with so little.

No playoff team should be underestimate no matter the conference. I believe they swept the Wizards that year and then went on to beat the Nets 4-2. After that, they faced an elite team at the time in the Pistons and in case you forgot, his game 5 performance is one of the greatest in history.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:25 PM
Its not Commonsense Its Group thinkin my boy jus cause everyone else say LBJ is da best doesn't mean its true....

So cause u say KD the is the best, thats true?

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:25 PM
ohhhhhhhhhhhh now i get it..... its just hate.... no point in debating with this guy anymore guys...

Its not hate its my opinion you throwinn facts at me an i'm throwin them back.....Lol I can careless bout any of these players that don't play for my team.......

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:26 PM
So cause u say KD the is the best, thats true?

No, i'm jus defendin my point an that's all jus unharmful debating thats all

alencp3
08-20-2010, 02:27 PM
I wanna see who will win the PF one
Deron
Kobe
James
Dirk,Gasol,Duncan,Bosh?
Dwight

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:27 PM
Its not hate its my opinion you throwinn facts at me an i'm throwin them back.....Lol I can careless bout any of these players that don't play for my team.......

only "fact" you have is that KD outscored LBJ by .4 past year....


And your opinion is wrong.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:28 PM
No, i'm jus defendin my point an that's all jus unharmful debating thats all

You can not defend stupidity.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:29 PM
It doesn't matter. Durant has better players around him than what Lebron had when he went to the Finals anyways.

Lebron single handedly took them so far with so little.

No playoff team should be underestimate no matter the conference. I believe they swept the Wizards that year and then went on to beat the Nets 4-2. After that, they faced an elite team at the time in the Pistons and in case you forgot, his game 5 performance is one of the greatest in history.

Westbrook was better this year then some of the cavs, Westbrook wasn't an alstar when he got to OKC neither was Green or Kristic....Lol are you serious

xbrackattackx
08-20-2010, 02:30 PM
I voted Lebron, Even though he isn't one of my favorite players dudes a walking trip-Dub.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:33 PM
west is deeper in the reg season.... not the playoffs.... east is way more top heavy... what exactly has KD done? i scoring champ? what else? has he gone pass the 1st round?

That don't make sense a team in the east can make the playoffs with only winnig like 40-43 games whereas is you in the West with a record like that you rank like 9th or 10th, that was proven when OKC took LA to the brink of elimination

ManRam
08-20-2010, 02:35 PM
I can't begin to fathom how 1/5 of the votes have been for someone not named LeBron James.

Absolutely crazy.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:35 PM
That don't make sense a team in the east can make the playoffs with only winnig like 40-43 games whereas is you in the West with a record like that you rank like 9th or 10th, that was proven when OKC took LA to the brink of elimination

4-2 is hardly brink or elimination, and like others have said the EAST is top heavy, but try again.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:35 PM
That don't make sense a team in the east can make the playoffs with only winnig like 40-43 games whereas is you in the West with a record like that you rank like 9th or 10th, that was proven when OKC took LA to the brink of elimination

your right.... but how many teams would u say get win the title in the west the last 2 years...? one... L.A.... laast two years in the east could of been 3 different teams

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:36 PM
Westbrook was better this year then some of the cavs, Westbrook wasn't an alstar when he got to OKC neither was Green or Kristic....Lol are you serious

Westbrook isn't an all star because there are numerous top guards throughout the league. Westbrook is still the better player than any of Lebron's teammates during the time he took them to the Finals.

I don't see what "facts" you're throwing back.

All you're throwing are opinions onto why Durant is better and your reasoning behind it is because he scored .3 -.4 points more.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:37 PM
I can't begin to fathom how 1/5 of the votes have been for someone not named LeBron James.

Absolutely crazy.

I agree, there are WeBallin other screen names i guess.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:37 PM
I can't begin to fathom how 1/5 of the votes have been for someone not named LeBron James.

Absolutely crazy.

this

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:38 PM
your right.... but how many teams would u say get win the title in the west the last 2 years...? one... L.A.... laast two years in the east could of been 3 different teams

Well we know it wasn't LBJ Cavs cause he only led them to 1

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:38 PM
Westbrook isn't an all star because there are numerous top guards throughout the league. Westbrook is still the better player than any of Lebron's teammates during the time he took them to the Finals.

I don't see what "facts" you're throwing back.

All you're throwing are opinions onto why Durant is better and your reasoning behind it is because he scored .3 -.4 points more.

Thats because he can not admit that your right and that he has NO stats supporting his opinion.

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:38 PM
Well we know it wasn't LBJ Cavs cause he only led them to 1

Durant 0

Avenged
08-20-2010, 02:38 PM
That don't make sense a team in the east can make the playoffs with only winnig like 40-43 games whereas is you in the West with a record like that you rank like 9th or 10th, that was proven when OKC took LA to the brink of elimination

OKC didn't take L.A to the brink of elimination.

Brink of elimination can be something like the Rockets vs. Lakers 2 seasons ago when they actually took the Lakers to 7 games.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:41 PM
Durant 0

this.... im still waiting for this guy to give a good argument

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:42 PM
Westbrook isn't an all star because there are numerous top guards throughout the league. Westbrook is still the better player than any of Lebron's teammates during the time he took them to the Finals.

I don't see what "facts" you're throwing back.

All you're throwing are opinions onto why Durant is better and your reasoning behind it is because he scored .3 -.4 points more.

And what facts are you throwin that says westbrook was better then anybody on the team when LBJ went to the only Finals, all you thorwin out is opinions too.......Lol i'm done with it i don't feel like i have to justify my point any longer talk to the other 21 or 23 people who voted for KD too......Cool it was fun...

thescore53
08-20-2010, 02:42 PM
And you sayin havin one finals apperance an bein swept, then quittin on ya team to join Two other stars make you the best player in the league?

he didnt say he was. but what has durant done that lbj hasnt. are you really having this arguement. tell me one basketball related skill kd has that lbj doesnt

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:43 PM
this.... im still waiting for this guy to give a good argument

he doesnt have one.

zambo4president
08-20-2010, 02:44 PM
Melooo

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:44 PM
Thats because he can not admit that your right and that he has NO stats supporting his opinion.

So Wade County where is his stats at that show Westbrook was better then any of the cavs players?????

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:44 PM
And what facts are you throwin that says westbrook was better then anybody on the team when LBJ went to the only Finals, all you thorwin out is opinions too.......Lol i'm done with it i don't feel like i have to justify my point any longer talk to the other 21 or 23 people who voted for KD too......Cool it was fun...

:dance:

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:45 PM
i feel bad for weballin.... can someone else who voted for KD step up and help him out? or one of the three that voted for melo? lol

Wade_County
08-20-2010, 02:45 PM
So Wade County where is his stats at that show Westbrook was better then any of the cavs players?????

I'll post it after you post your KD stat making him better then LBJ.

AIsixersFK
08-20-2010, 02:46 PM
anyone who voted for someone other than LeBron is an idiot or just wanted the others to feel good about themselves. :)

Sidenote: I think Durant will be the best player in the NBA within 5 years

pebloemer
08-20-2010, 02:49 PM
Obvious. We could run through 1-3 today I'd think.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:52 PM
anyone who voted for someone other than LeBron is an idiot or just wanted the others to feel good about themselves. :)

Sidenote: I think Durant will be the best player in the NBA within 5 years

i'd say closer to 5 years... lebron is only 25 so i dont see KD passing lebron as the NBAs best player any sooner than 4 years (i say lebron as the nbas best player cuz we are talking future, so calm down kobe lovers he still is the best)

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 02:52 PM
hahaha, I can not believe there are this many responses for anyone other than LeBron. let's move on to #2, seriously. This is ridiculous.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:53 PM
i feel bad for weballin.... can someone else who voted for KD step up and help him out? or one of the three that voted for melo? lol

LMAO Don't feel sad for me, it is what it is.....Lol it'll all be played out here sooner or later....

thescore53
08-20-2010, 02:53 PM
So Wade County where is his stats at that show Westbrook was better then any of the cavs players?????

u dont need stats use ur eyes. one player can play defense and the other pg
cant guard a pole

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 02:54 PM
u dont need stats use ur eyes. one player can play defense and the other pg
cant guard a pole

I don't feel like backtracking, what is the debate here?

Purch
08-20-2010, 02:57 PM
Looks like 27 people should never be allowed to post on PSD ever again.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 02:58 PM
LMAO Don't feel sad for me, it is what it is.....Lol it'll all be played out here sooner or later....

lol im just saying, your not the only person the voted for KD, u shouldnt be the only one arguing your point

Rivera
08-20-2010, 02:58 PM
ima get hated for this but screw it this is WHY i voted for Kevin Durant
i posted this in the #10 sg thread but ima post it here to




honestly not trying to be a lebron basher i would pick durant over LBJ

the reason for this is because durants a more complete game than LBJ

his D improved big time last yr and theres nothing he cant do on offense.....ive NEVER seen lebron take his man in the post n give him a turn around J

Ive never seen lebron come off screens and hit the J

ive honestly never seen lebron move on offense without the ball

lebron wit the cavs was the PG dribble dribble dribble take it to the whole n either make it/and1/miss it/ or complain a bt a foul that never happened LBJ's Jumper did improve but sayin that His Jumper is not on the level of Kevin Durant im just sayin those r my reasons for pickin KD over LBJ

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 02:59 PM
Looks like 27 people should never be allowed to post on PSD ever again.


Cause we disagree with the majority...? Wow Lol what little world you live in.........

SurGiiCaL
08-20-2010, 02:59 PM
I was about to be like Carmelo Over Durrant and them im like oh but yeh its LeBron even tho is he a **** ****ing *** whole **** head

NJrockPD
08-20-2010, 02:59 PM
Apparently the LeBron hate has subsided somewhat out to an early lead.

Obviously LeBron

I still hate on the guy, but you can't deny he's the best. Personally I think he's a douche, but his game is unquestionable.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 03:00 PM
I don't feel like backtracking, what is the debate here?

KD over LeBron.... silly right? lol

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 03:02 PM
I was about to be like Carmelo Over Durrant and them im like oh but yeh its LeBron even tho is he a **** ****ing *** whole **** head

......calm down

Klivlend
08-20-2010, 03:08 PM
Lebron James for sheezy

thescore53
08-20-2010, 03:09 PM
......calm down

he's always like this. lets just say he's too young to watch family guy,

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 03:12 PM
KD over LeBron.... silly right? lol

its not ridiculous, but its not true in the slightest. Durant is awesome, but LeBron is simply better

masalex1205
08-20-2010, 03:21 PM
Lebron

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 03:22 PM
he's always like this. lets just say he's too young to watch family guy,

lol oh... alright ill ignore him for now on

Kakaroach
08-20-2010, 03:23 PM
LeBron James. No matter how much you hate him for the decision, he is without a doubt the best SF.

ChiSox219
08-20-2010, 03:24 PM
Lebron might be better but I'd rather build around KD.

Minimal
08-20-2010, 03:28 PM
Seriously... It's obviously LeBron is best SF in the league.
Durant is so overrated, some people vote him as best SF in the league even he didn't do **** at all.
People who vote for Durant are obviously Durant homers or LeBron haters.
Right now I would definetely take Melo over Durant, but the media does it job and now Durant will be voted as 2nd best SF...

dacreator101
08-20-2010, 03:28 PM
seriously durant over anthony...longer yea..smarter no....ima true lebron fan...but second goes to anthony to me bro...

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 03:31 PM
Seriously... It's obviously LeBron is best SF in the league.
Durant is so overrated, some people vote him as best SF in the league even he didn't do **** at all.
People who vote for Durant are obviously Durant homers or LeBron haters.
Right now I would definetely take Melo over Durant, but the media does it job and now Durant will be voted as 2nd best SF...

this sums it up.... next

BOSTON617
08-20-2010, 03:34 PM
like i said before i dont care im not debating it no lebron hate... i voted durant because this season coming up he will be the best player in the nba!!!!!!!

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 03:34 PM
Durant is not overrated in the slightest people. The single disparity in their games, is LeBron is a far superior distributor. Durant does everything just as well, except playing safety on defense. Durant is a legit MVP candidate, and the 3rd best player in the NBA imo, individually. But LeBron is #1.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-20-2010, 03:35 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.


LeBron easily. Hatred for the decision but that doesn't change talent.

John Walls Era
08-20-2010, 03:36 PM
Might as well just vote for #4 next time.

1) Lebron
2) KD
3) Melo

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 03:37 PM
I still hate on the guy, but you can't deny he's the best. Personally I think he's a douche, but his game is unquestionable.

there are quite a few who would however let thier hate out weigh their common sense/better judgement.

Purch
08-20-2010, 03:37 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.


LeBron easily. Hatred for the decision but that doesn't change talent.

:laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::laugh2::l augh2::laugh2:

BOSTON617
08-20-2010, 03:38 PM
Durant is not overrated in the slightest people. The single disparity in their games, is LeBron is a far superior distributor. Durant does everything just as well, except playing safety on defense. Durant is a legit MVP candidate, and the 3rd best player in the NBA imo, individually. But LeBron is #1.

this i agree lebron is #1 but i dont know if he will be #1 on a dream team....and durant is underrated if anything hes only 21

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 03:38 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.


LeBron easily. Hatred for the decision but that doesn't change talent.

Next to A.I. Granger is hands down my most favourite player in the league but I'd love to hear that arguement because IMO its 100% WRONG.

Iodine
08-20-2010, 03:38 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.

How so?
I love DG but I can't understand that


Anyway saying Durant is the number 2 SF in the NBA is not underrating him or "hating on him", its just remembering that LeBron is a better distributor and arguably (I don't think so) a better defender (I think he is a better Center Fielder/ Free Safety type defender, yet man to man is very close)

BOSTON617
08-20-2010, 03:39 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.


LeBron easily. Hatred for the decision but that doesn't change talent.

granger isnt even better then pierce get out of here :facepalm:

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 03:40 PM
I can't begin to fathom how 1/5 of the votes have been for someone not named LeBron James.

Absolutely crazy.

This

Purch
08-20-2010, 03:40 PM
This thread needs to be closed fast.


It's getting so bad Im hearing Granger over Melo

REALLYYYYY?
08-20-2010, 03:43 PM
keith bogans

SA5195
08-20-2010, 03:44 PM
Lebron

Swashcuff
08-20-2010, 03:44 PM
This thread needs to be closed fast.


It's getting so bad Im hearing Granger over Melo

well apparently there's going to be a real heated discussion for number 3 lol

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 03:44 PM
Durant is not overrated in the slightest people. The single disparity in their games, is LeBron is a far superior distributor. Durant does everything just as well, except playing safety on defense. Durant is a legit MVP candidate, and the 3rd best player in the NBA imo, individually. But LeBron is #1.

i agree with everything except i would put KD as the 4th best player in the NBA...

REALLYYYYY?
08-20-2010, 03:51 PM
well apparently there's going to be a real heated discussion for number 3 lol

yeah number 3 is clearly luol deng

Baller1
08-20-2010, 03:53 PM
Lebron
Durant
Melo

Purch
08-20-2010, 03:53 PM
Lol Wade>Durant

Easily

7 days a week.

Thanks.

Gators123
08-20-2010, 03:54 PM
yeah number 3 is clearly luol deng

Wrong. Gordon Hayward should be #3

Burkey3472
08-20-2010, 03:54 PM
Lebron.

The Prodigy
08-20-2010, 03:54 PM
i agree with everything except i would put KD as the 4th best player in the NBA...

I agree with that too. I used to believe Durant is overrated (a part of me still does) but I've been convinced otherwise for now. Can't wait till next season.

Purch
08-20-2010, 03:56 PM
The only time I consider Durant overrated is when People put him above Kobe,Lebron or Wade.


Him and Melo are probally tied right now in my opinion

BOSTON617
08-20-2010, 03:57 PM
Lol Wade>Durant

Easily

7 days a week.

Thanks.

your just forcing it now :facepalm:

Avenged
08-20-2010, 03:59 PM
Granger is arguabley better than Melo.


LeBron easily. Hatred for the decision but that doesn't change talent.

Not even close.

tredigs
08-20-2010, 04:01 PM
1. Lebron

2. KD

3. Melo

4. Granger

5. Wallace


Not even close.

They're close dude - Granger's definitely better defensively and is more efficient offensively.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 04:02 PM
Durant is not overrated in the slightest people. The single disparity in their games, is LeBron is a far superior distributor. Durant does everything just as well, except playing safety on defense. Durant is a legit MVP candidate, and the 3rd best player in the NBA imo, individually. But LeBron is #1.


Durant isn't overrated generally but he is being overrated in this discussion, at least to me.

Top 4 player in the league, but he certainly isn't top 1 or 2.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-20-2010, 04:03 PM
LOL we can say Bosh > Dirk and Gasol in the other thread but I can't say Granger > Melo?

Granger is just as good of a scorer as Melo and a better passer. Rebounding goes to Melo but they aren't far apart at all. He got injured and now the hype is over.

Purch
08-20-2010, 04:04 PM
your just forcing it now :facepalm:

Wait are you saying Durant is better then Wade?

ChiSox219
08-20-2010, 04:04 PM
Seriously... It's obviously LeBron is best SF in the league.
Durant is so overrated, some people vote him as best SF in the league even he didn't do **** at all.
People who vote for Durant are obviously Durant homers or LeBron haters.
Right now I would definetely take Melo over Durant, but the media does it job and now Durant will be voted as 2nd best SF...

Durant is already one of the best scorers in league history.

tredigs
08-20-2010, 04:06 PM
Durant isn't overrated generally but he is being overrated in this discussion, at least to me.

Top 4 player in the league, but he certainly isn't top 1 or 2.

If (when) he develops the cutthroat instinct to finish off opponents, he's going to be right there with Lebron/Wade/Kobe (that's the order I have them right now - with Kobe and Wade being virtually interchangeable, no matter what anyone else wants to believe), but at this point he's a slight notch below those three, and only for that reason. Melo has that trait btw, but KD's enough better than him in nearly every other facet of the game that he is clearly the better player overall.

Purch
08-20-2010, 04:08 PM
If (when) he develops the cutthroat instinct to finish off opponents, he's going to be right there with Lebron/Wade/Kobe (that's the order I have them right now), but at this point he's a slight notch below those three, and only for that reason. Melo has that trait btw, but KD's enough better than him in nearly every other facet of the game that he is clearly the better player overall.

What ever aspect?

Exaggerating much?

Melo's a better passer, Has a better post up game,A better mid range game and Is more clutch

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 04:09 PM
Durant isn't overrated generally but he is being overrated in this discussion, at least to me.

Top 4 player in the league, but he certainly isn't top 1 or 2.

Really not sure how KD is bein overrated when there on like 31 people who thinks his better the LBJ......

thekmp211
08-20-2010, 04:10 PM
can we save the melo/durant debate for the #2 spot?

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 04:10 PM
Durant isn't overrated generally but he is being overrated in this discussion, at least to me.

Top 4 player in the league, but he certainly isn't top 1 or 2.

well, I have a different order obviously

EL HEAT
08-20-2010, 04:11 PM
Lebron James

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 04:11 PM
If (when) he develops the cutthroat instinct to finish off opponents, he's going to be right there with Lebron/Wade/Kobe (that's the order I have them right now - with Kobe and Wade being virtually interchangeable, no matter what anyone else wants to believe), but at this point he's a slight notch below those three, and only for that reason. Melo has that trait btw, but KD's enough better than him in nearly every other facet of the game that he is clearly the better player overall.

this is the best argument out there, and the only one I personally accept, for Kobe being over Durant at this point in time.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-20-2010, 04:11 PM
How can anyone have LeBron let alone Wade ahead of Kobe?

Avenged
08-20-2010, 04:11 PM
Really not sure how KD is bein overrated when there on like 31 people who thinks his better the LBJ......

What exactly is your point? :confused:

Because there are 140+ people who think LBJ is better.

REALLYYYYY?
08-20-2010, 04:12 PM
Wait are you saying Durant is better then Wade?

durant is better than wade

Avenged
08-20-2010, 04:13 PM
well, I have a different order obviously, I think its clear that I have Kobe 4th at this time, and that is for individual ratings, TODAY. Not a career ranking, which so many continue to get confused about


Durant though, is not the best SF in the league.

If you take Durant as the #1 SF in the league, you have to also take him as the best player in the league and that just isn't the case.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 04:13 PM
If (when) he develops the cutthroat instinct to finish off opponents, he's going to be right there with Lebron/Wade/Kobe (that's the order I have them right now - with Kobe and Wade being virtually interchangeable, no matter what anyone else wants to believe), but at this point he's a slight notch below those three, and only for that reason. Melo has that trait btw, but KD's enough better than him in nearly every other facet of the game that he is clearly the better player overall.

So Now LBJ has the Cutthroat Instinct like kobe???? Really....Ok

Avenged
08-20-2010, 04:14 PM
If (when) he develops the cutthroat instinct to finish off opponents, he's going to be right there with Lebron/Wade/Kobe (that's the order I have them right now - with Kobe and Wade being virtually interchangeable, no matter what anyone else wants to believe), but at this point he's a slight notch below those three, and only for that reason. Melo has that trait btw, but KD's enough better than him in nearly every other facet of the game that he is clearly the better player overall.

Yup, "if/when" is correct.

But as of right now, he doesn't have that and isn't the best SF in the league.

I think we can both agree on that?

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 04:14 PM
So Now LBJ has the Cutthroat Instinct like kobe???? Really....Ok

he does indeed. When you score 26 straight points to take down Detroit in the playoffs, that is called cutthroat instinct for example

tredigs
08-20-2010, 04:15 PM
What ever aspect?

Exaggerating much?

Melo's a better passer, Has a better post up game,A better mid range game and Is more clutch

As of last season: KD draws contact better (and shoots the subsequent FT's at 90%), murders him with his outside shot/3pt game, rebounds better, is so much better defensively as of season three (if you need me to break this down, I can), steals/blocks more than Melo, and scores more efficiently and at a higher rate than Melo has in his best year.

Melo's not a better passer, he just had more competent players to pass to. KD's going to improve in that area as he gets more efficient scorers around him (already happening over the summer).

Carey
08-20-2010, 04:16 PM
What ever aspect?

Exaggerating much?

Melo's a better passer, Has a better post up game,A better mid range game and Is more clutch

KD is slept on as far as other aspects of his game, im not saying he's arrived defensively or as a passer by any stretch of the imagination but he's better then given credit for. Im an OKC fan and i've seen every pro game he's played so obviously i would expect fans of every fan to kno too much about what he does but ive seen him run the point for us in stretches. One game last year Westbrook got hurt and he ran the offense the entire second half and got guys in position and got guys open looks.

Minimal
08-20-2010, 04:16 PM
Durant is already one of the best scorers in league history.
So what? At what else is he good except for his shooting?
The guy isn't a playmaker LeBron is and can't make good shots for himself. LeBron averages 4 times more assists than Durant and at the same time cracks the same ammount of points or even more than him. Imagine how many points per game LeBron could get if he wasn't a playmaker.
LeBron could grab the same ammount of boards Durant grabs, playing with one of the best rebounders in the league (4 players who average 9 rebounds in 34 minutes) , while Durant plays in OKC, where there is no dominant bigmans.
Most of the time, as soon as Durant gets the ball, he shoots.
His defence is nothing compared to LeBron's or Melo's.
He has a good shot and is one of my favourite players (because of his sportsmanship), but the guy once got to the playoffs and is already consider one of the best in the game. That isn't right.

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 04:16 PM
What exactly is your point? :confused:

Because there are 140+ people who think LBJ is better.

My Point is that what u just said its 31 people who think KD is better an there are 140+ who think LBJ is better, so what i'm sayin is how is he bein overrated an the Mass mjaority on here thinks LBJ is better an voted such....Thats my point

The Prodigy
08-20-2010, 04:17 PM
How can anyone have LeBron let alone Wade ahead of Kobe?

Explain to me why we can't please.

tredigs
08-20-2010, 04:18 PM
Yup, "if/when" is correct.

But as of right now, he doesn't have that and isn't the best SF in the league.

I think we can both agree on that?

Absolutely. And even when he does (no doubt that he will imo), Lebron's still a bit better overall (than the current KD - we'll see how much he can improve) due to his crazy playmaking ability.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 04:19 PM
My Point is that what u just said its 31 people who think KD is better an there are 140+ who think LBJ is better, so what i'm sayin is how is he bein overrated an the Mass mjaority on here thinks LBJ is better an voted such....Thats my point

Because the 30+ who have voted for Durant (yourself included) aren't backing it up. The arguments being thrown around are that Durant scored .3- .4 more points than Lebron. Do you realize how low of a margin that is?

That's called overrating a player, ppg don't solidify him as the best SF in the game.

Ovratd1up
08-20-2010, 04:19 PM
I have Lebron, KD, Wade, Dwight over Kobe. CP3, D-Will, Duncan, and Roy are somewhat close.

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 04:21 PM
So what? At what else is he good except for his shooting?
The guy isn't a playmaker LeBron is and can't make good shots for himself. LeBron averages 4 times more assists than Durant and at the same time cracks the same ammount of points or even more than him. Imagine how many points per game LeBron could get if he wasn't a playmaker.
LeBron could grab the same ammount of boards Durant grabs, playing with one of the best rebounders in the league (4 players who average 9 rebounds in 34 minutes) , while Durant plays in OKC, where there is no dominant bigmans.
Most of the time, as soon as Durant gets the ball, he shoots.
His defence is nothing compared to LeBron's or Melo's.
He has a good shot and is one of my favourite players (because of his sportsmanship), but the guy once got to the playoffs and is already consider one of the best in the game. That isn't right.

this!

WeBallin
08-20-2010, 04:24 PM
Because the 30+ who have voted for Durant (yourself included) aren't backing it up. The arguments being thrown around are that Durant scored .3- .4 more points than Lebron. Do you realize how low of a margin that is?

That's called overrating a player, ppg don't solidify him as the best SF in the game.

Regardless of how low the margin is there's a Margin......An thats why he won the scorin title an LBJ didn't, have you ever competed if so then you know it doesn't matter whether you win by an inch or a mile as long as you win an the simple fact that the only stat you brought up jus shows that he was .03 or whatever behind thou

BOSTON617
08-20-2010, 04:26 PM
Wait are you saying Durant is better then Wade?

hell yea durant is better then wade are you nuts?

OHCOOP
08-20-2010, 04:27 PM
This one is easy bron bron

tredigs
08-20-2010, 04:36 PM
you know it was BS too but I guess I'm over it now.

His numbers were better than Kobe's but Kobe hit soo many big shots in the Suns series and was amazing in the Finals, all except game 7, where he still hit some clutch shots.

Or game two where he went 8/20 with 5 turnovers - or game three where he went 10/29? Or game four where he went 10/22 with 7 turnovers and 2 assists? And I don't even need to mention the debacle of game 7. Pau was the MVP of that series, absolutely robbed of finals MVP.

He's a great player - but don't let the hype blind you - Wade is better.

OK now I'm really done. I hate this debate as much as the next guy (and this isn't the spot for it) - plus my double decker burger's ready. MMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmm

The Raven
08-20-2010, 04:39 PM
Lebron easily. No question about it

FaM0us Skins
08-20-2010, 04:40 PM
Durant

mikealike305
08-20-2010, 04:41 PM
but to get back on track...... LBJ is better than KD TODAY maybe it'll change 4-5 years from now but TODAY LBJ>KD>MELooo

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 04:43 PM
And that's also why I consider clutch stats un reliable. Who says clutchness only starts with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter with 5 points in between the two teams. Who says clutchness doesn't start when you have a 10 point lead and you're making big shots to preserve the lead. Who says clutchness doesn't start at the begging of the 4th quarter when you're down by 15. Who says clutchness doesn't start if you're making big shots from the 8 minutes mark in a quarter.

Who determines clutch is only 4th quarter or overtime, less than 5 minutes left, neither team ahead by more than 5 points


Clutch to me can be like Paul Pierce leading his team thoughout that third quarter against the Lakers and through most of the 4th quarter before the 5 minute mark.

Clutch isn't something you can just label

it is such a difficult stat to justify. That site only shows who puts up the most production with less than 5 minutes to go in a close game. But as you said, clutch can come at any time.

Kashmir13579
08-20-2010, 04:44 PM
who voted for the other two?

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 04:49 PM
who voted for the other two?

just hit the number of votes, and it will reveal....
:)

Yanks All Day
08-20-2010, 04:51 PM
LBJ, Durant, Melo.

I vote #4 is Paul Pierce.

thescore53
08-20-2010, 05:01 PM
Durant

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xbrackattackx
08-20-2010, 05:03 PM
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You voted for Durant not Lebron?

Kashmir13579
08-20-2010, 05:04 PM
just hit the number of votes, and it will reveal....
:)

i know. it was more of a rhetorical question.... :)

thescore53
08-20-2010, 05:07 PM
You voted for Durant not Lebron?

my finger slipped

mikantsass
08-20-2010, 05:07 PM
Is this serious?

YankeesNets11
08-20-2010, 05:07 PM
Lebron James

xbrackattackx
08-20-2010, 05:10 PM
my finger slipped

:rolleyes: Yea, secret hate for the heat for taking bosh huh?:)

Kutchie03
08-20-2010, 05:19 PM
seriously time to close this and move on to the #2 SF.. i say durant but i'm guessin melo will get a lot of votes too

thescore53
08-20-2010, 05:19 PM
:rolleyes: Yea, secret hate for the heat for taking bosh huh?:)

nope. i rather not have another 40 win season and the 13th pick but this time be paying chris bosh 130 million to not box out and play olay defense

thescore53
08-20-2010, 05:20 PM
heat fan response in 1... 2... 3....

Purch
08-20-2010, 05:22 PM
Lol Bosh.

beasted86
08-20-2010, 05:23 PM
heat fan response in 1... 2... 3....

It's 3-2-1 dumbass. :)


And the "my finger slipped" excuse is so early '80s.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-20-2010, 05:27 PM
obviously LeBron

Jewelz0376
08-20-2010, 05:29 PM
This is still open?? man close this early and open #2...the answer is obvious...

Mane
08-20-2010, 05:32 PM
lol @ people not voting for lebron just cuz they hate him.

its obvious..

-Kobe24-TJ19-
08-20-2010, 05:35 PM
LOL I see a lot of deleted posts related to kobe, what the hell you guys were talking about:laugh2:

DoJoTheSlasher
08-20-2010, 05:37 PM
LOL I see a lot of deleted posts related to kobe, what the hell you guys were talking about:laugh2:

many say wade and lebron > kobe and bron is more clutch than kobe

C_A_S_H
08-20-2010, 05:37 PM
King James

thescore53
08-20-2010, 05:41 PM
It's 3-2-1 dumbass. :)


And the "my finger slipped" excuse is so early '80s.

was that necessary i'll count anyway i want.

heat fan response in 3..4...gg...rrr...44..3..4.

masalex1205
08-20-2010, 05:58 PM
got to be Lebron no matter how much you might hate him; Durant's nipping on his heels but its not quite his time yet...maybe he takes a turn next season but as of right now Lebron is the best

greg_ory_2005
08-20-2010, 06:09 PM
Meh, we didn't really even need a poll for this, did we?

ChiSox219
08-20-2010, 06:14 PM
So what? At what else is he good except for his shooting?
The guy isn't a playmaker LeBron is and can't make good shots for himself.

This is not true, Durant is outstanding at creating good shots for himself, he is great at drawing fouls and is just a tremendously efficient scorer at an incredibly young age.

When he's facing Artest/Kobe + a defense game plan designed solely to stop him, yeah, he's going to have a tough time getting good looks. As his teammates improve, defenses won't be able to focus only on KD.



LeBron averages 4 times more assists than Durant and at the same time cracks the same ammount of points or even more than him. Imagine how many points per game LeBron could get if he wasn't a playmaker.
LeBron could grab the same ammount of boards Durant grabs, playing with one of the best rebounders in the league (4 players who average 9 rebounds in 34 minutes) , while Durant plays in OKC, where there is no dominant bigmans.

I agree, Lebron is a better distributor.



Most of the time, as soon as Durant gets the ball, he shoots.


Lebron shot the ball more often last year.



His defence is nothing compared to LeBron's or Melo's.


Durant's defense is better than Melo's and ahead of where Lebron was at this stage.

SugeKnight
08-20-2010, 06:18 PM
Bron

Iodine
08-20-2010, 06:18 PM
This is not true, Durant is outstanding at creating good shots for himself, he is great at drawing fouls and is just a tremendously efficient scorer at an incredibly young age.

When he's facing Artest/Kobe + a defense game plan designed solely to stop him, yeah, he's going to have a tough time getting good looks. As his teammates improve, defenses won't be able to focus only on KD.



Shocking idea's

I don't know if people an handle this

J_M_B
08-20-2010, 06:30 PM
Wow..

36 votes for Durant, 7 votes for Carmelo? I guess people are entitled to their opinions..

Heater4life
08-20-2010, 06:57 PM
Wow..

36 votes for Durant, 7 votes for Carmelo? I guess people are entitled to their opinions..

With some, thats very unfortunate. :p

LBJ, no doubt. Durant still has catching up to do, 4th best in the league imo.

Heater4life
08-20-2010, 07:05 PM
outstanding at creating good shots for himself


he is great at drawing fouls


tremendously efficient scorer


]incredibly young


As his teammates improve, defenses won't be able to focus only on KD.




And lebron CANT do these things and more..... :eyebrow:

Korman12
08-20-2010, 07:09 PM
Bronathon, easily

ChiSox219
08-20-2010, 07:11 PM
And lebron CANT do these things and more..... :eyebrow:

I never said he couldn't.

SupeUnagi
08-20-2010, 07:33 PM
without a doubt lebron

Khalifa21
08-20-2010, 07:52 PM
LeBron and it's not close.

Avenged
08-20-2010, 08:20 PM
Durant is improving in perhaps every facet of the game.

But Lebron is still better than him in almost every facet in the game and is improving as well.

I defended Lebron enough in this thread, that is all.

DCSportsIsPain
08-20-2010, 08:30 PM
Yi Jianlian.

Ugerother
08-20-2010, 08:42 PM
**** lebron i hate him

Iodine
08-20-2010, 08:44 PM
LeBron has 199 votes

can we get on with this?

Hawkeye15
08-20-2010, 08:53 PM
holy crap, is this still up? Is there a time term for these?