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Adam23
08-18-2010, 01:50 PM
any opinions???

Wade>You
08-18-2010, 01:50 PM
Finals MVP hands down lock this thread :p

SupeUnagi
08-18-2010, 01:51 PM
i could be a ******* and say finals mvp, but no one cares about that, unless you have multiple
its easily regular season mvp

Swashcuff
08-18-2010, 01:56 PM
This is tough even though Finals MVP should be the clear answer as far as NBA prestige goes NBA League MVP is IMO a little higher. But hey that's my opinion and Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant both disagree (the both say Finals MVP) with it so I guess I am wrong.

thekmp211
08-18-2010, 02:00 PM
1st team all nba. if you have a lot of those, you're really good.

Hawkeye15
08-18-2010, 02:03 PM
finals MVP. It means you won a championship, and were the most valuable player on that team in most cases. I think All NBA 1st team is also and accomplishment

Chacarron
08-18-2010, 02:03 PM
Finals MVP

DCSportsIsPain
08-18-2010, 02:05 PM
I think the Hall of Fame award is a little bigger than Finals MVP ...

Swashcuff
08-18-2010, 02:05 PM
I think the Hall of Fame award is a little bigger than Finals MVP ...

is there a HOF award? Nope.

Hellcrooner
08-18-2010, 02:06 PM
Hof. induction.

asandhu23
08-18-2010, 02:28 PM
The "*****, I just scored 100 points on your ***" award

tredigs
08-18-2010, 02:32 PM
Finals MVP is the feel good answer - but it's not as tough to obtain as the regular season MVP as you just have to play for a top two team and show up big in the finals (easier said than done, I know).

But there are generally ~8 superstars around the league in contention for the regular season MVP in any given year, where as for the finals MVP there's probably only two going to be two people max.

As a team award: Finals MVP (almost never get the ring without a top two "top to bottom" team in the league)

Personal award: Regular season MVP

Every regular season MVP is a future hall of famer - the same can't be said for the finals MVP. So to answer the question imo the Finals MVP may be "more prestigious" in the sense that it is accompanied by a championship, but the regular season MVP goes to the leagues best player*.


Edit:
*I'll correct myself: The leagues best player on a top 5 team*. Sorry D-Wade, 2006 Kobe and Kevin Garnett.
The Finals MVP is an ~80% team award, 20% individual. Regular season is closer to 50/50 (A truly great player can take an average or slightly above average team to HCA, but if you have a completely bottom of the barrel team a la the '06 Lakers, post '07 Heat or KG's T-Wolves, then it won't matter - you're probably not getting up there with the HCA seeds. Lebron's Cavs sucked, but at least they played good defense, and that's the most important aspect of the game if you have the worlds best offensive machine).

Swashcuff
08-18-2010, 02:34 PM
Finals MVP is the feel good answer - but it's not as tough to obtain as the regular season MVP as you just have to play for an elite team and show up big in the finals (easier said than done, I know).

But there are generally ~8 superstars around the league in contention for the regular season MVP in any given year, where as for the finals MVP there's generally only two.

As a team award: Finals MVP (almost never get the ring without a top two "top to bottom" team in the league)

Personal award: Regular season MVP

Every regular season MVP is a future hall of famer - the same can't be said for the finals MVP. So to answer the question imo the Finals MVP may be "more prestigious" in the sense that it is accompanied by a championship, but the regular season MVP goes to the leagues best player.

:clap:

/thread.

still1ballin
08-18-2010, 02:36 PM
finals mvp

JordansBulls
08-18-2010, 02:41 PM
For a top 10 player in the league it is finals mvp.

smiddy012
08-18-2010, 02:43 PM
any opinions???

Statue outside of the United Center.

SA5195
08-18-2010, 02:45 PM
Finals mvp

king4day
08-18-2010, 02:51 PM
I'd say regular season MVP. Tony Parker was Finals MVP a few years ago but wasn't the best player on that team....maybe not even second best. He just had an incredible series.
Regular season MVP is consistency all year.

I'd go as far to say that the Most Improved Player award is above Finals MVP. For that player, you proved you could be better.

IversonIsKrazy
08-18-2010, 03:15 PM
Finals MVP

BOSTON617
08-18-2010, 03:15 PM
depends on the palyer

for example

ben wallace's would b dop

paul pierce finals mvp

kobe mvp

but if i was a player my goal would be mvp because if your mvp your better then the finals mvp all around

Jaji
08-18-2010, 04:59 PM
League MVP. Finals MVP is partly a team award because without a great team, you have no shot at it. Everyone has a chance to be league MVP, but only 1 guy takes it home every year.

Jewelz0376
08-18-2010, 05:14 PM
Obviously just because a guy wins Finals mvp doesnt mean he's top 5/10 in the league.... To me though it's still Finals Mvp just because if you win that you get the o'brien with it...Which almost means its the best of both worlds...You get individual & team acknowledgment

LA-DYNASTY248
08-18-2010, 05:23 PM
Kobe is living proof that the reg. season mvp is ****ing garbage!
ONLY (4) players in the history of the nba have won back to back finals mvp's!!!

WeBallin
08-18-2010, 05:25 PM
I'ma Say DPOY if you can lock down your opponet , what speaks more volume to your peers then lockin down star studded athlete's

Klivlend
08-18-2010, 05:51 PM
Regular season MVP

Klivlend
08-18-2010, 05:52 PM
Kobe is living proof that the reg. season mvp is ****ing garbage!
ONLY (4) players in the history of the nba have won back to back finals mvp's!!!

A lot of that as to do with opportunity. How many players have played in back to back finals? Not too many

njnets
08-18-2010, 06:26 PM
I'ma Say DPOY if you can lock down your opponet , what speaks more volume to your peers then lockin down star studded athlete's

agreed. i think Defensive Player of the Year is the most prestigous.

if it was voted upon, regular season or finals MVP would win the vote. but in my mind, the DPOY is the best because it represents the hardest working player on the floor usually. i am a huge fan of great defense. i think the best players are great on both ends of the court.

_KB24_
08-18-2010, 08:56 PM
League MVP. Finals MVP is partly a team award because without a great team, you have no shot at it. Everyone has a chance to be league MVP, but only 1 guy takes it home every year.

Replace the word Finals with League and tell me if their is any difference. You need to be a Top 5 Team in order for you to win the League MVP. Just ask Wade, Kobe, and even Tracy on why they didn't win MVP awards on terrible teams.

Master P
08-18-2010, 09:17 PM
If you asked the media / fans probably regular season MVP as it awards the very best player in the league against all others. Defensive player is good...but there is nothing in the rules stating that a defensive specialist can't win MVP by being so dominate at it. If Orlando were to get the best record in the league, Howard would probably get the MVP despite being a defensive minded player (predominately...he still scored quite a few points).

If you asked the player, finals MVP for sure. Winning a title is the main goal of all players and if you are deemed the best player in that series after being victorious, well, that must be an amazing feeling. Need proof that players value this more: just ask Dirk how he felt being award the NBA regular season MVP a few days after the Mavericks were beaten by the Warriors a few years ago...

carlo4444
08-18-2010, 09:19 PM
season MVP..although if i were a player i would like to be a defensive player of the year.

JDMac80
08-18-2010, 09:22 PM
top vote getter for the all-star game. the most votes equals that guy being the best player in the league. he gets the most because everyone knows he is the greatest in the league

JWO35
08-18-2010, 09:23 PM
6th man of the Year :D

VinceCarter
08-18-2010, 09:27 PM
Hall of Fame induction.

VinceCarter
08-18-2010, 09:27 PM
top vote getter for the all-star game. the most votes equals that guy being the best player in the league. he gets the most because everyone knows he is the greatest in the league

Not true at all.

Duncan = Donkey
08-19-2010, 03:49 AM
Regular Season MVP

xbrackattackx
08-19-2010, 11:29 AM
Finals MVP,Season MVP and DPOY maybe MIP

JDMac80
08-21-2010, 10:51 AM
Not true at all.

:eyebrow: and you thought I was serious

John Walls Era
08-21-2010, 11:21 AM
You would think Finals MVP because that means you won, but to tbh Regular season MVP is better imo because fans remember regular seasons mvps more than playoff mvps.

KnicksGuard
08-21-2010, 11:53 AM
Hall of Fame Enshrinement

Khalifa21
08-21-2010, 12:06 PM
It's not finals MVP. Finals MVP is an award based on someone who has had a great 7 game series. Regular season MVP is for someone who had a great 82 game season. There is a much smaller sample size for Finals MVP and there is a lot less competition.

Take this years finals for example... The only guys that had a realistic shot at finals MVP were Kobe, Pau, Rondo or Pierce. Their great teammates helped them get to the finals and then the guy who has a great 4/5/6/7 game series wins the award. MVP is completely different. A player has to constantly dominate and lead his team to a great record through 82 games and there is a lot more competition. Tony Parker won Finals MVP in 2007 and he wasn't even the best player on his team let alone top 15/20 in the league. He just had one great series.

In terms of individual awards, Regular season MVP > Finals MVP.

Of course HOF induction beats out everything, but I think that's kinda different.

1st team All-NBA is a good one as well. It's basically saying you were the best player at your position for that entire season.

Avenged
08-21-2010, 12:08 PM
As far as some people saying Finals MVP is a team accomplishment, how can you then go onto say it's the regular season award? If a player doesn't have a good team around him, he won't win the award. Being MVP usually means "being the best player on the best team" ..usually.. There's a reason players who don't make the playoffs aren't even considered and players who's teams are not in the top 1-3 usually don't win it.

I'll have to go with a Finals MVP. Legends of the game say it's what matters most. If you win a Finals MVP, you win the championship. There's so much more that goes into getting that award. A Finals MVP solidifies your legacy and even rates you higher in rankings individually.

Illinirob83
08-21-2010, 12:08 PM
IMO it is Finals MVP. However, I really wish the NBA would do what the NHL does with its playoff MVP. The playoffs are so long and draining in the NBA. The season really begins once the playoffs start IMO, and it is a two+ month journey to see who the best in the world is. There should be a Playoff MVP trophy and that would easily be the best.

stejay
08-21-2010, 12:09 PM
League MVP. Hands down in my opinion. It says you are the very best player in the League. No-one is better than you. If you are Finals MVP, you are the best of say 20-25 players on a sample size of two teams. If you are League MVP, then you have a huge size

sep11ie
08-21-2010, 12:14 PM
You know what M.V.P. stands for right?

sep11ie
08-21-2010, 12:15 PM
top vote getter for the all-star game. the most votes equals that guy being the best player in the league. he gets the most because everyone knows he is the greatest in the league

You outstupided this thread.

stejay
08-21-2010, 12:19 PM
As far as some people saying Finals MVP is a team accomplishment, how can you then go onto say it's the regular season award? If a player doesn't have a good team around him, he won't win the award. Being MVP usually means "being the best player on the best team" ..usually.. There's a reason players who don't make the playoffs aren't even considered and players who's teams are not in the top 1-3 usually don't win it.
I'll have to go with a Finals MVP. Legends of the game say it's what matters most. If you win a Finals MVP, you win the championship. There's so much more that goes into getting that award. A Finals MVP solidifies your legacy and even rates you higher in rankings individually.

So, if you win Finals MVP, you aint on the best team? Of course you are. Huuuuugggeeee contradiction here


top vote getter for the all-star game. the most votes equals that guy being the best player in the league. he gets the most because everyone knows he is the greatest in the league

:facepalm: Unbelievable. There is a name for this. MVP.

Avenged
08-21-2010, 12:42 PM
So, if you win Finals MVP, you aint on the best team? Of course you are. Huuuuugggeeee contradiction here

If you win Finals MVP you are the best team

Never said otherwise.

I'm describing the reasoning onto why people are choosing a regular season over a Finals MVP. A lot of people say a Finals MVP is more having to do with the team around you.

But.. same can be said for a regular season MVP. A player needs a good team around them as well to win it.

FadeAwayLikeMJ
08-21-2010, 01:07 PM
Rookie of the year IMO

You only get once shot, yanno

EaglePride615
08-21-2010, 01:35 PM
finals mvp

The Final Boss
08-21-2010, 01:55 PM
Playing along side Kobe Bryant.

Red Hot Rolllin
08-21-2010, 02:06 PM
I think its a string of awards... Finals and Season MVP and first team Defense

Jordaness stuff

Mplsman
08-21-2010, 02:09 PM
Finals MVP hands down lock this thread :p

:cheers:

Mplsman
08-21-2010, 02:12 PM
top vote getter for the all-star game. the most votes equals that guy being the best player in the league. he gets the most because everyone knows he is the greatest in the league

:cricket:

Minimal
08-21-2010, 02:22 PM
Ring>MVP>DPOY>Finals MVP

tr4shb0t
08-21-2010, 02:23 PM
finals mvp

season mvp says more about how hard the league is promoting you rather than how good you are. thats what its evolved into anyway.

JasonJohnHorn
08-21-2010, 02:27 PM
The "*****, I just scored 100 points on your ***" award

Dude! Who is the chick in that tag? HOT!!!


Anyways... response to the question, and many will disagree, but I would say DPOY award. The MVP is obviously a big deal, but there are so few people in the world who are even talented enough to be considered for it, but the DPOY award is one that I think any player can win, because its not about talent as much as it is about work ethic. Lets face, Mutumbo was a limited (though HOF) player, and the same I think can be said of Ben Wallace, but what those guys did, and what makes Kevin Garnett such a great player, and Tim Duncan such a great player, is the effort they put out on defense. That is why Jordan was as great as he was, there were guys like Gervin and 'Nique that could score as much (and have been guys like Stackhouse, McGrady and Iverson who could score 30+), but defense is about hard work, and while whoever wins MVP would obviously have to be working hard every night, I think I would prouder to win DPOY.

Ironman5219
08-21-2010, 02:39 PM
The Ronnie Price Award: This award goes to the player, who puts teams first, shuts his mouth, plays his guts out every night, never holds out on contract, role model, always ready when called upon. Never gets the flash but is always their for his team. I have more respect for that type of player than any ball hog MVP

JDMac80
08-21-2010, 04:30 PM
The Ronnie Price Award: This award goes to the player, who puts teams first, shuts his mouth, plays his guts out every night, never holds out on contract, role model, always ready when called upon. Never gets the flash but is always their for his team. I have more respect for that type of player than any ball hog MVP

Last 5 MVPs: Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, Garnett

Play them vs your all Ronnie Price team and see who wins. I have more respect for them

KNIXX46
08-22-2010, 03:20 AM
ima say mvp,,,selection based on performance of 82 reg season games

Antipod
08-22-2010, 04:24 AM
Should`ve been a poll :)
Anyway - MVP

J-Relo
08-22-2010, 05:05 AM
Regular Season MVP

GspLAL
08-22-2010, 06:49 AM
Finals MVP is the feel good answer - but it's not as tough to obtain as the regular season MVP as you just have to play for a top two team and show up big in the finals (easier said than done, I know).

But there are generally ~8 superstars around the league in contention for the regular season MVP in any given year, where as for the finals MVP there's probably only two going to be two people max.

As a team award: Finals MVP (almost never get the ring without a top two "top to bottom" team in the league)

Personal award: Regular season MVP

Every regular season MVP is a future hall of famer - the same can't be said for the finals MVP. So to answer the question imo the Finals MVP may be "more prestigious" in the sense that it is accompanied by a championship, but the regular season MVP goes to the leagues best player*.


Edit:
*I'll correct myself: The leagues best player on a top 5 team*. Sorry D-Wade, 2006 Kobe and Kevin Garnett.
The Finals MVP is an ~80% team award, 20% individual. Regular season is closer to 50/50 (A truly great player can take an average or slightly above average team to HCA, but if you have a completely bottom of the barrel team a la the '06 Lakers, post '07 Heat or KG's T-Wolves, then it won't matter - you're probably not getting up there with the HCA seeds. Lebron's Cavs sucked, but at least they played good defense, and that's the most important aspect of the game if you have the worlds best offensive machine).

You mention that season MVP is a team effort and that it's a 80% team award, so how could you say it's the most prestigious individual award?

icej
08-22-2010, 07:38 AM
IMO - The regular season and finals MVP are not as prestigious as winning both the same season. It is the only real measure of greatness in any player.

Michael Jordan only said that finals MVP is more precious to him because he usually wins the regular season MVP with it. If you are the player who wins both, you will also choose the finals MVP because it can only mean that your effort was successful and not waisted.

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 08:52 AM
You mention that season MVP is a team effort and that it's a 80% team award, so how could you say it's the most prestigious individual award?

please go and re-read what he said because you are mixed up.

coloradobuff
08-22-2010, 08:55 AM
nba finals mvp

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 08:58 AM
IMO - The regular season and finals MVP are not as prestigious as winning both the same season. It is the only real measure of greatness in any player.

Michael Jordan only said that finals MVP is more precious to him because he usually wins the regular season MVP with it. If you are the player who wins both, you will also choose the finals MVP because it can only mean that your effort was successful and not waisted.

Well duhh!!! :)

icej
08-22-2010, 09:08 AM
Well duhh!!! :)

Just sayin it can't be just one of the 2.

To really measure prestige a player should have both in the same season.

That is the reason why there are much debate between the 2 awards, it simply has to be both not just one.

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 09:37 AM
Just sayin it can't be just one of the 2.

To really measure prestige a player should have both in the same season.

That is the reason why there are much debate between the 2 awards, it simply has to be both not just one.

that makes no sense what soever. I hear the point on what you said about Jordan but how many players can really win both to be able to appreciate the weight of one over the other. A great deal of fortune has to be involved.

icej
08-22-2010, 09:53 AM
that makes no sense what soever. I hear the point on what you said about Jordan but how many players can really win both to be able to appreciate the weight of one over the other. A great deal of fortune has to be involved.

That is why it is called prestigious, you see it has been done before so that makes it possible. Winning the season MVP still seems not enough if you don't get the ring as some of the opinions here state, and the finals MVP seems to be not enough too - and every opinion has a good point to them because both of them are really important.

So why not both of them?

Khalifa21
08-22-2010, 10:02 AM
So, if you win Finals MVP, you aint on the best team? Of course you are. Huuuuugggeeee contradiction here

Was Tony Parker the best player on the 2007 Spurs team? No, Tim Duncan was but Tony Parker just had a better finals. He had a better 4 games than Tim Duncan whereas TD had a better playoffs.

Before the finals, Parker averaged 19.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg and 6.3 apg in the playoffs. Not including the finals, TD averaged 23.1 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 3.1 apg and 3.3 bpg. Parker then has a better finals (4 games) by a small margin (TP: 24.5/5/3.3, TD: 18.2/11.5/3.8) and he wins finals MVP when it was clear that TD was comfortably the best player for the Spurs in the playoffs and was the most valuable.

That is the huge fault in finals MVP. There is such a small sample size for it. Yes, it means you won a ring and were the best player in the finals but in terms of prestigious individual awards it's not the same as a player dominating for his team over the course of 82 games.

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 10:09 AM
That is why it is called prestigious, you see it has been done before so that makes it possible. Winning the season MVP still seems not enough if you don't get the ring as some of the opinions here state, and the finals MVP seems to be not enough too - and every opinion has a good point to them because both of them are really important.

So why not both of them?

Do you understand the question?

Maybe because there isn't a poll you are probably getting confused. Which single (its implied thought you and every other poster here would understand that) individual award is most prestigious.

I hear your point that their is no hard or soft choice with either because quite frankly it can go either way but their is no award for winning them both. This is not football (or as you guys call it soccer) where you get the Ballon d'Or which is like winning them both. This is basketball. Chose one.

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 10:16 AM
So, if you win Finals MVP, you aint on the best team? Of course you are. Huuuuugggeeee contradiction here


you obviously have a problem with grasping the concept. Paul Pierce was the finals MVP for the Celts in 08 but he was not the best or most influential player in that championship. KG was. Moses Malone wasn't the best player on the 76ers in 83. Joe Dumars certainly wasn't the best player on the Pistons in 89. As a rookie Magic at the time wasn't the best player on the Lakers in 80. Cedric Maxwell in 81 FOR SURE was not the best player on the Celtics. Jo Jo White was NOT the best player for the Celtics in 76. I bet there probably a few more in which I am forgetting.

So NO there is no contradiction there the man is speaking the truth.

Swashcuff
08-22-2010, 10:19 AM
Was Tony Parker the best player on the 2007 Spurs team? No, Tim Duncan was but Tony Parker just had a better finals. He had a better 4 games than Tim Duncan whereas TD had a better playoffs.

Before the finals, Parker averaged 19.8 ppg, 2.9 rpg and 6.3 apg in the playoffs. Not including the finals, TD averaged 23.1 ppg, 11.4 rpg, 3.1 apg and 3.3 bpg. Parker then has a better finals (4 games) by a small margin (TP: 24.5/5/3.3, TD: 18.2/11.5/3.8) and he wins finals MVP when it was clear that TD was comfortably the best player for the Spurs in the playoffs and was the most valuable.

That is the huge fault in finals MVP. There is such a small sample size for it. Yes, it means you won a ring and were the best player in the finals but in terms of prestigious individual awards it's not the same as a player dominating for his team over the course of 82 games.

Exactly. I mean the two best teams ideally are suppose to meet in the finals. But when one team is considerably better than the other and one of their weaknesses is a strength of the other teams in this case Tony Parker's speed, penetrating ability and PG play, it can certainly open avenues for a given player to have an outstanding run in a 7 game set.