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Adam23
08-18-2010, 08:49 AM
Ballon d'or is soccer's most coveted player of the year award.

td0tsfinest
08-18-2010, 08:53 AM
Mvp?

bholly
08-18-2010, 09:20 AM
Clearly the MVP. That's pretty much exactly what the Ballon d'Or is for. What kind of question is that?

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 09:23 AM
Nothing is equivalent to the Ballon D'Or (Golden Ball) because you cannot compare the status of the two sports.

NBA and the rest of the world have different rules, so NBA has their MVP, Euroleague has their MVP, two different worlds, different rules, same sport.
Soccer is globally the same thing.

Adam23
08-18-2010, 09:34 AM
Nothing is equivalent to the Ballon D'Or (Golden Ball) because you cannot compare the status of the two sports.

NBA and the rest of the world have different rules, so NBA has their MVP, Euroleague has their MVP, two different worlds, different rules, same sport.
Soccer is globally the same thing.

Not exactly. The American soccer league (mls) has some rules that differ from european leagues. But their mvp award still isn't as prestigious as ballon d'or. Same thing with nba mvp. Its much more prestigious than euroleague mvp.

Brooklyn Mets
08-18-2010, 09:54 AM
its like winning regular season MVP and Finals MVP in the same year haha

Brooklyn Mets
08-18-2010, 09:55 AM
its like winning regular season MVP and Finals MVP in the same year

arkanian215
08-18-2010, 11:01 AM
Not exactly. The American soccer league (mls) has some rules that differ from european leagues. But their mvp award still isn't as prestigious as ballon d'or. Same thing with nba mvp. Its much more prestigious than euroleague mvp.

On the field? No. We took out all of the tie breaking rules already.

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 11:09 AM
Do you seriously believe that the MLS has Ballon d'Or worthy players? And the rules are the same. The structure is way different, but the rules are the same. If the ball goes out of bounds, throw in or goal kick/corner kick. If a player hits another player, it's a foul, it's still the ref's decision if it's yellow, red or nothing... Same game

You can argue that NBA MVP>>>>Euroleague MVP and I agree with that, but it's like watching a different sport.
NBA has more games, NBA games take 8 minutes longer, NBA calls fouls almost every physical challenge, NBA teams can't play zone defense because of the 3 in the key defensive call...
It's a different game and no one can deny that.

arkanian215
08-18-2010, 11:19 AM
Nvm can't happen. lol

Adam23
08-18-2010, 12:36 PM
Do you seriously believe that the MLS has Ballon d'Or worthy players? And the rules are the same. The structure is way different, but the rules are the same. If the ball goes out of bounds, throw in or goal kick/corner kick. If a player hits another player, it's a foul, it's still the ref's decision if it's yellow, red or nothing... Same game

You can argue that NBA MVP>>>>Euroleague MVP and I agree with that, but it's like watching a different sport.
NBA has more games, NBA games take 8 minutes longer, NBA calls fouls almost every physical challenge, NBA teams can't play zone defense because of the 3 in the key defensive call...
It's a different game and no one can deny that.

I see what mean. Then what is the closest thing to ballon d'or???

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 12:39 PM
Nothing really...

In soccer there's many other things other than Ballon d'Or ;)

Adam23
08-18-2010, 01:06 PM
Any other opinions?

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 01:58 PM
Look, you can't have the same thing or something similar with the NBA playing differently from the rest of the world. Even if the NBA has better players, there will be those who'll say that NBA teams cannot beat European teams in Europe with international rules(I'm one of them).

If they played the same game, and played COMPETITIVELY against each other, then they could create an international award.

In soccer there's no league that is so dominant. In matter of years, it could sometimes be England, sometimes Spain, sometimes Italy...
So you can assume that the NBA MVP is the biggest award a player can receive. Well, it's only for players from 30 teams, so that's not global.

In soccer, a player in a Brazilian team, or a Japanese team, or an English team, or a Croatian team etc can have equal chances if they are really good. The best players are usually in Europe because that's where the money is, so that's why most winners are in Europe.

NBA's reluctance to accept international basketball as a decent competitor is what makes things hard.
And until then, the NBA will be a different "sport" for the rest of the world. So, nothing can be equivalent to the Ballon d'Or.

If the NBA accepted to shorten its season, and have official games with maybe the top teams of each division on neutral soil(so Atlantic, Souteast, Northwest etc champions vs 5-10 international teams), then we could have a global tournament with teams(just like Champions League in European soccer) that will clarify who really is the best.
But the NBA would lose a lot of money if it shortens its season so it probably will never happen.

Until then, nothing is or can be equivalent to the Ballon d'Or in basketball ;)

Chronz
08-18-2010, 02:01 PM
What is the ballon d based on?

Adam23
08-18-2010, 02:11 PM
Look, you can't have the same thing or something similar with the NBA playing differently from the rest of the world. Even if the NBA has better players, there will be those who'll say that NBA teams cannot beat European teams in Europe with international rules(I'm one of them).

If they played the same game, and played COMPETITIVELY against each other, then they could create an international award.

In soccer there's no league that is so dominant. In matter of years, it could sometimes be England, sometimes Spain, sometimes Italy...
So you can assume that the NBA MVP is the biggest award a player can receive. Well, it's only for players from 30 teams, so that's not global.

In soccer, a player in a Brazilian team, or a Japanese team, or an English team, or a Croatian team etc can have equal chances if they are really good. The best players are usually in Europe because that's where the money is, so that's why most winners are in Europe.

NBA's reluctance to accept international basketball as a decent competitor is what makes things hard.
And until then, the NBA will be a different "sport" for the rest of the world. So, nothing can be equivalent to the Ballon d'Or.

If the NBA accepted to shorten its season, and have official games with maybe the top teams of each division on neutral soil(so Atlantic, Souteast, Northwest etc champions vs 5-10 international teams), then we could have a global tournament with teams(just like Champions League in European soccer) that will clarify who really is the best.
But the NBA would lose a lot of money if it shortens its season so it probably will never happen.

Until then, nothing is or can be equivalent to the Ballon d'Or in basketball ;)

NBA teams would beat european team. Remember the olympics?

arkanian215
08-18-2010, 02:28 PM
What is the ballon d based on?
It's supposed to be for the best overall. Usually an attack minded player.

Voters are journalists - one from each member country of UEFA. Each voter chooses 5 players and points are awarded as follows: 5 points for a first place in a voters' list, 4 points for second, 3 points for third, 2 points for fourth, and 1 point for fifth. http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/europa-poy.html

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 02:31 PM
NBA teams would beat european team. Remember the olympics?

That's NATIONAL TEAMS.

And, remember 2006? :eyebrow:

I will add 2010 after 3 weeks ;)

arkanian215
08-18-2010, 02:36 PM
That's NATIONAL TEAMS.

And, remember 2006? :eyebrow:

I will add 2010 after 3 weeks ;)

If any of our best players were committed to playing for Team USA we wouldn't have lost anything. Shaq can play zone all day. A lot of our best players just don't care.

jackdawson
08-18-2010, 02:51 PM
Ballon d'or is soccer's most coveted player of the year award.

:facepalm::facepalm:
IGNORANCE.

Ballon d'or is not the most coveted individual soccer award. "FIFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR" is.

Ballon d'or = European Player Of The Year. FYI.

DaBUU
08-18-2010, 02:56 PM
Nothing is equivalent to the Ballon D'Or (Golden Ball) because you cannot compare the status of the two sports.

NBA and the rest of the world have different rules, so NBA has their MVP, Euroleague has their MVP, two different worlds, different rules, same sport.
Soccer is globally the same thing.

so could someone from the MLS win the golden ball?

SA5195
08-18-2010, 03:05 PM
Mvp...

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 03:31 PM
so could someone from the MLS win the golden ball?

Well, as someone said earlier, it's FIFA World Player of the Year that is the international one, the Ballon D'Or is European based.. So an MLS player could win the FIFA World Player of the Year, yes.

DoJoTheSlasher
08-18-2010, 03:34 PM
The Annual H-O-R-S-E Trophy (aka Kevin Durant Trophy)

td0tsfinest
08-18-2010, 03:46 PM
Wait didn't they combine the Ballon D'or and the FIBA player of the year?

arkanian215
08-18-2010, 04:18 PM
Wait didn't they combine the Ballon D'or and the FIBA player of the year?
Yes.
http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/news/newsid=1268497/index.html#the+fifa+ballon+dor+born

Sepp Blatter is the ****ing penguin.

NYKalltheway
08-18-2010, 06:08 PM
you mean FIFA :) FIBA=basketball :D

td0tsfinest
08-18-2010, 06:41 PM
you mean FIFA :) FIBA=basketball :D

lol ye. Going back and forth between soccer and ball is getting a little confusing.

bholly
08-18-2010, 07:44 PM
:facepalm::facepalm:
IGNORANCE.

Ballon d'or is not the most coveted individual soccer award. "FIFA PLAYER OF THE YEAR" is.

Ballon d'or = European Player Of The Year. FYI.

lol at this guy calling ignorance, facepalming, and being wrong.