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Mile High Champ
08-13-2010, 09:37 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

We skipped the 2nd poll and for good reason. Wade and Kobe are head over heels better than the rest. There remains a significant drop off from 2 to 3. It made sense to save everyone sometime and move on to number 3.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

SG Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
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2009 Off-Season SG Rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Brandon Roy
4) Joe Johnson
5) Vince Carter
6) Manu Ginobili
7) Ray Allen
8) Kevin Martin
9) Ben Gordon
10) Richard Hamilton

2008 Off-Season SG rankings:

1) Kobe Bryant
2) Dwayne Wade
3) Tracy McGrady
4) Allen Iverson
5) Manu Ginobili
5) Vince Carter
7) Joe Johnson
8) Ray Allen
9) Brandon Roy
10) Kevin Martin

ManRam
08-13-2010, 09:41 AM
Gotta be Brandon Roy.

S-Dot
08-13-2010, 09:43 AM
As of today, Joe Johnson.

YoungGunz1024
08-13-2010, 09:43 AM
Brandon Roy!

Mile High Champ
08-13-2010, 09:44 AM
As I have said in the main post, I will add more players as we go on.

black1605
08-13-2010, 09:46 AM
Close between Roy and Johnson, but I went with Roy.

Minimal
08-13-2010, 09:49 AM
Joe Johnson

YoungOne
08-13-2010, 09:54 AM
very short list... but have to go with JJ

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 09:58 AM
Brandon Roy
ts% of 56.8%
eFG% of 50.8%
reb% of 7.3%
ast% of 23.1%
tov% of 9.5%
usg% of 26.7%
ORtg of 117
DRtg of 109
OWS of 7.0
DWS of 2.1

Joe Johnson
ts% of 53.8%
eFG% of 50.5%
reb% of 7.1%
ast% of 22.0%
tov% of 8.8%
usg% of 26.3%
ORtg of 112
DRtg of 109
OWS of 6.0
DWS of 2.4


Brandon Roy, especially because his win shares are more with him playing 11 less games

Niro
08-13-2010, 10:02 AM
very short list... but have to go with JJ

good to see another german on psd:cool:

voted for roy

Khalifa21
08-13-2010, 10:03 AM
Brandon Roy quite comfortably. I absolutely love his game and he's one of my favorite non Knicks.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 10:18 AM
i feel
roy should be # 2
wade # 3

REALLYYYYY?
08-13-2010, 10:19 AM
keith bogans. keith bogans 3-10, bam, close thread, new poll for a new position.

Steelers23_06
08-13-2010, 10:19 AM
i want to say joe johnson but after that playoff performance idk if i can do that i voted for roy and mayo is getting my next vote because i think he is better than joe and wouldnt have gone missing come playoff time.

Steelers23_06
08-13-2010, 10:19 AM
i feel
roy should be # 2
wade # 3

hahahahahah this guy

sixers247
08-13-2010, 10:20 AM
Wow there really arn;t any good shooting guards after the top 5

69centers
08-13-2010, 10:21 AM
I easily count 3 guys on this list that Ray Allen is better than, and a few more that are arguable. List is completely not legit without Ray here. Adding him, or anyone else after you've already had the others names up, will skew the results from that point on.

Russell_Roberts
08-13-2010, 10:22 AM
yall sleepin on monta

BrotherRedz
08-13-2010, 10:27 AM
#3 B-Roy
#4 Joe Johnson

NBA-GMaster
08-13-2010, 10:28 AM
Tmac!!:D:laugh2:

avrpatsfan
08-13-2010, 10:34 AM
Roy for sure.

Brooklyn Mets
08-13-2010, 10:37 AM
Roy

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 10:41 AM
hahahahahah this guy

haha you :facepalm: wade is going to be losing a lot of his stats.... roy is not i will sig bet you to delete accounts that roy will put up more ppg then wade you want to take it?

97NYer
08-13-2010, 10:48 AM
Roy and then

Johnson
Ginobili

got the next 2 covered

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 10:48 AM
yall sleepin on monta

For good reason, he's not that as good as Roy or Johnson. He's had one good year really, with another pretty good year. The last two seasons he's sucked, and only played so many games.

you're sleepin on Roy

ManRam
08-13-2010, 10:51 AM
haha you :facepalm: wade is going to be losing a lot of his stats.... roy is not i will sig bet you to delete accounts that roy will put up more ppg then wade you want to take it?

So "losing" stats makes you a worse player?

No. He'll be the same player (better than Roy), regardless of his PPG.

REALLYYYYY?
08-13-2010, 10:53 AM
i feel
roy should be # 2
wade # 3

same here. you should make a thread with a poll for who the #2 SG is since we did not get to vote for #2 in this guy's series of SG polls. it would be interesting to see what the results are.

zo#33
08-13-2010, 10:58 AM
Roy.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 10:58 AM
So "losing" stats makes you a worse player?

No. He'll be the same player (better than Roy), regardless of his PPG.

ya being a # 2 sg in the league you need to be productive i would def vote wade as a # 2 sg if he was in roys postion but hes not witch will make roy the more dominent sg over wade thats how i feel

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 10:59 AM
same here. you should make a thread with a poll for who the #2 SG is since we did not get to vote for #2 in this guy's series of SG polls. it would be interesting to see what the results are.

this.

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:02 AM
same here. you should make a thread with a poll for who the #2 SG is since we did not get to vote for #2 in this guy's series of SG polls. it would be interesting to see what the results are.

Sorry, but you are either a hater or a homer if you think Roy is better than Wade. It's really that simple... one or the other.

ManRam
08-13-2010, 11:03 AM
Wade would crush Roy. Probably like 150-30.

dhopisthename
08-13-2010, 11:03 AM
haha you :facepalm: wade is going to be losing a lot of his stats.... roy is not i will sig bet you to delete accounts that roy will put up more ppg then wade you want to take it?

roy is a good player but he is no where near the wade level. Also according to your same logic kobe would be less of a player since his stats have gone down considerably since he got better teammates. ppg and other stats don't mean someone is less of a player.

PS-roys highest average is 22ppg while wades lowest other than his rookie year was 24. so making a ppg bet would not be a wise one

alencp3
08-13-2010, 11:06 AM
Jj

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:07 AM
JJ has led his team into the 2nd round 2 years in a row. I have to give him the edge because of that. Otherwise I like Roy better.

netsgiantsyanks
08-13-2010, 11:09 AM
whoever picked monta ellis was either high or just dumb as hell

jimbobjarree
08-13-2010, 11:09 AM
BRoy

netsgiantsyanks
08-13-2010, 11:11 AM
i picked roy.

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:12 AM
Wade basically does everything better than Roy in less minutes per game.

There are 2 categories Roy beats Wade in 3% higher 3PT, and 2% higher FT. Other than that it's a landslide in Wade's favor in 1 less minute per game. He's a better offensive player, and defensive player. You would have to be on some drugs if you think you replace Wade on the Heat last year, and we get better.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 11:14 AM
roy is a good player but he is no where near the wade level. Also according to your same logic kobe would be less of a player since his stats have gone down considerably since he got better teammates. ppg and other stats don't mean someone is less of a player.

PS-roys highest average is 22ppg while wades lowest other than his rookie year was 24. so making a ppg bet would not be a wise one

no my logic would still have kobe at # 1

last year avg 27.0 ppg lol

when i look at top 10 players im looking at oging into next season the players who will be the most productive thats what im looking at

Da Knicks
08-13-2010, 11:17 AM
Manu the guy is a total beast and looked nice also running the point.

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 11:17 AM
JJ has led his team into the 2nd round 2 years in a row. I have to give him the edge because of that. Otherwise I like Roy better.

Yeah, in a much weaker eastern conference. And this past season the Blazers were extremely injury riddled and still won 50+ games, and they still almost took out the Suns in the first round while Roy was playing injured less than 10 days after a surgery. Want to see their playoff numbers the last two seasons?

Brandon Roy (2009 stats)
56.2 ts%
49.2 eFG%
7.7 reb%
15.6 ast%
8.4 tov%
33.1 usg%
113 ORtg
110 DRtg

Johnson (2009 stats)..........(2010 stats)
47.9 ts%............................45.3%
45.2 eFG%.........................41.0%
7.2 reb%............................7.6%
19.6 ast%...........................23.6%
14.6 tov%..........................10.3%
25.6 usg%..........................26.2%
94 ORtg..............................100
113 DRtg...........................115


So if anything, Johnson hurt his team. Yeah, he really led them to the 2nd round :rolleyes:

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 11:23 AM
Wade basically does everything better than Roy in less minutes per game.

There are 2 categories Roy beats Wade in 3% higher 3PT, and 2% higher FT. Other than that it's a landslide in Wade's favor in 1 less minute per game. He's a better offensive player, and defensive player. You would have to be on some drugs if you think you replace Wade on the Heat last year, and we get better.

If you actually look at anything but raw stats, they are a lot closer than you think. Roy has had the better ORtg the last 4 years, and the better ts% last year (and .1% difference the year before). Roy is very very good, and is on the same level with Wade offensively. Defensively though, Wade is much better.

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:24 AM
Yeah, in a much weaker eastern conference. And this past season the Blazers were extremely injury riddled and still won 50+ games, and they still almost took out the Suns in the first round while Roy was playing injured less than 10 days after a surgery. Want to see their playoff numbers the last two seasons?

Brandon Roy (2009 stats)
56.2 ts%
49.2 eFG%
7.7 reb%
15.6 ast%
8.4 tov%
33.1 usg%
113 ORtg
110 DRtg

Johnson (2009 stats)..........(2010 stats)
47.9 ts%............................45.3%
45.2 eFG%.........................41.0%
7.2 reb%............................7.6%
19.6 ast%...........................23.6%
14.6 tov%..........................10.3%
25.6 usg%..........................26.2%
94 ORtg..............................100
113 DRtg...........................115


So if anything, Johnson hurt his team. Yeah, he really led them to the 2nd round :rolleyes:

I don't really follow this schtick because there are teams in the West that aren't good defensive teams making the playoffs.

The 8 teams that made the playoffs in the East were the top 12 defensive teams in the whole NBA. That says a lot about players not expected to just come into the playoffs and dominate the way they did in the regular season per se.

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:27 AM
If you actually look at anything but raw stats, they are a lot closer than you think. Roy has had the better ORtg the last 4 years, and the better ts% last year (and .1% difference the year before). Roy is very very good, and is on the same level with Wade offensively. Defensively though, Wade is much better.

That's really far fetched.

As I said before, there's nobody with a clear conscience that is going to tell me that you put Roy on the Heat in place of Wade and he can carry the offense the same way. It's simply impossible. He's not as good as Wade is... offensively or defensively.

Avenged
08-13-2010, 11:35 AM
I think Roy and Wade have a similar game but Wade is the better player, there's no denying it. When you think of Wade, you think top 3 player in the league. Do many of you actually think of Roy as a top 3 player in the league?

Niro
08-13-2010, 11:45 AM
how can some of you think that d-wade who is hands down a top 5 player in the league (for many, including me, top3) is not better than brandon roy who isnt even top 10???

give me some of that weed you are are smoking

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 11:46 AM
I don't really follow this schtick because there are teams in the West that aren't good defensive teams making the playoffs.

The 8 teams that made the playoffs in the East were the top 12 defensive teams in the whole NBA. That says a lot about players not expected to just come into the playoffs and dominate the way they did in the regular season per se.

Sooooo you're just discounting two full seasons where he's absolutely blown in the playoffs? If the defenses were so good, then Rose, Pierce, Wade, Lebron, etc should have similar numbers but they don't...they all have much better numbers. Joe Johnson didn't lead anybody to the 2nd round the last two seasons. Don't kid yourself.


That's really far fetched.

As I said before, there's nobody with a clear conscience that is going to tell me that you put Roy on the Heat in place of Wade and he can carry the offense the same way. It's simply impossible. He's not as good as Wade is... offensively or defensively.

At Rim <10 feet 10-15 ft 16-23 ft threes eFG%
2007 57.0% 39.0% 45.0% 43.0% 56.6%
2008 64.0% 39.0% 31.0% 44.0% 51.0%
2009 60.0% 48.0% 41.0% 43.0% 56.6%
2010 63.6% 46.3% 46.7% 43.0% 49.5%

2007 67.0% 55.0% 42.0% 38.0% 39.9%
2008 66.0% 46.0% 37.0% 37.0% 42.9%
2009 66.0% 51.0% 42.0% 42.0% 47.6%
2010 67.0% 47.1% 34.0% 36.0% 44.9%

There's a chart of two players shooting percentages. Which one is better?
Player A or Player B?

---------ts%---eFG%---reb%--ast%---tov%---usg%-----Ortg DRtg
2008 53.1%---48.5%---7.3%---28.2%---9.3%---24.9%-----113 110
2009 57.3%---51.2%---7.9%---25.0%---9.0%---27.4%-----123 109
2010 56.8%---50.8%---7.3%---23.1%---9.5%---26.7%-----117 109

2008 54.9%---48.0%---6.6%---37.5%---16.4%---33.1%-----103 110
2009 57.4%---51.6%---7.8%---40.3%---11.6%---36.2%-----115 105
2010 56.2%---50.0%---7.8% ---36.4%---12.2%---34.9%-----113 103

Again, player A or player B?

netsgiantsyanks
08-13-2010, 11:49 AM
how can some of you think that d-wade who is hands down a top 5 player in the league (for many, including me, top3) is not better than brandon roy who isnt even top 10???

give me some of that weed you are are smoking

:facepalm:

REALLYYYYY?
08-13-2010, 11:50 AM
kevin martin is clearly better than wade...and even roy. the stats i've shown back that up.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 11:51 AM
how can some of you think that d-wade who is hands down a top 5 player in the league (for many, including me, top3) is not better than brandon roy who isnt even top 10???

give me some of that weed you are are smoking

is kg considered a top 5 player anymore??

no because he went to the celtics and his production went down hes been taking less shots and becoming less selfish im sure if he was back on the wolves he would have good #s still all im saying is when player join loaded teams there production goes down book it roy will have a better season next year....

beasted86
08-13-2010, 11:51 AM
To meet it looks like a bunch of numbers... but I think Wade is clearly better.

Klivlend
08-13-2010, 11:53 AM
It's gotta be Roy. He has such a smooth game. Total baller

Avenged
08-13-2010, 11:57 AM
how can some of you think that d-wade who is hands down a top 5 player in the league (for many, including me, top3) is not better than brandon roy who isnt even top 10???

give me some of that weed you are are smoking

That's pretty much the way I look at it too.

It can be argued that Roy is at least top 10 but when you think Wade, you don't say "he's top 10", you think top 3 or top 5 at the most.

xbrackattackx
08-13-2010, 11:58 AM
You forgot Richardson.

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 11:58 AM
To meet it looks like a bunch of numbers... but I think Wade is clearly better.

Their numbers are very close offensively. To say that Wade is clearly better only applies to defense. Roy is a better overall shooter, while Wade is better at scoring at the rim and drawing fouls. Wade is better than Roy, but not by the amount that you think he is. In two seasons Roy will be the best SG in the league, book it.


and you don't have any reply whatsoever to my Joe Johnson numbers in the playoffs?

John Walls Era
08-13-2010, 12:02 PM
Roy easy

netsgiantsyanks
08-13-2010, 12:04 PM
kevin martin is clearly better than wade...and even roy. the stats i've shown back that up.

your not funny.

JordansBulls
08-13-2010, 12:06 PM
Vince Carter or T-mac this year

:D

truth being told it is Joe Johnson simply because Roy was injured last year.

Baller1
08-13-2010, 12:07 PM
Definitely Roy.

Steelers23_06
08-13-2010, 12:07 PM
haha you :facepalm: wade is going to be losing a lot of his stats.... roy is not i will sig bet you to delete accounts that roy will put up more ppg then wade you want to take it?

ill take that in a heart beat because wade is going to be the leading scorer of the heat. lebron is going to be the point foward look for his ppg to drop apg to increase and his rpg will stay steady. i guarentee roy wont score more you sure you want to do that because im 100% down.

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 12:10 PM
Vince Carter or T-mac this year

:D

truth being told it is Joe Johnson simply because Roy was injured last year.

Brandon Roy played 65 games compared to Johnson's 76. Even with Roy playing 11 less games than Johnson, he still beats him in Offensive Win Shares by 0.6wins and is behind in Defensive Win Shares by only 0.3wins. So, with Roy playing 11 games less, he was still worth 0.3wins more than Johnson according to basketball-reference.com

And, Roy's WS/48 was 0.18 while Johnson's was 0.14

Roy's better. And it's not even a debate at this point.

beasted86
08-13-2010, 12:14 PM
Their numbers are very close offensively. To say that Wade is clearly better only applies to defense. Roy is a better overall shooter, while Wade is better at scoring at the rim and drawing fouls. Wade is better than Roy, but not by the amount that you think he is. In two seasons Roy will be the best SG in the league, book it.
Okay, whateva playa.


and you don't have any reply whatsoever to my Joe Johnson numbers in the playoffs?

I already thought I explained this to you. Teams in the East play defense to be good. Also, however Johnson got his team there, he got his team there... they got to the 2nd round, while the Blazers haven't.

As I said, I like Roy's overall game more than Johnson, but that simple fact puts him above. Playoff success and the overall package holds a lot of weight, not a bunch of trivial numbers and stats. Both stats, wins, and playoff success all matter... and their stats aren't far enough apart to overule the 2nd round appearances.

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 12:23 PM
Okay, whateva playa.

Okay "playa"




I already thought I explained this to you. Teams in the East play defense to be good. Also, however Johnson got his team there, he got his team there... they got to the 2nd round, while the Blazers haven't.

As I said, I like Roy's overall game more than Johnson, but that simple fact puts him above. Playoff success and the overall package holds a lot of weight, not a bunch of trivial numbers and stats. Both stats, wins, and playoff success all matter... and their stats aren't far enough apart to overule the 2nd round appearances.

You didn't explain anything decently enough to make a point. I replied with this:


Sooooo you're just discounting two full seasons where he's absolutely blown in the playoffs? If the defenses were so good, then Rose, Pierce, Wade, Lebron, etc should have similar numbers but they don't...they all have much better numbers. Joe Johnson didn't lead anybody to the 2nd round the last two seasons. Don't kid yourself.

It was Johnson's team that got his *** to the second round, not the other way around. And, Johnson's numbers in the playoffs are worse than many role players. Johnson is not better than Roy. That is laughable, and shame on you if you believe that. :laugh2:
And their playoff stats are plenty far enough...:laugh2:

Heater4life
08-13-2010, 12:26 PM
haha you :facepalm: wade is going to be losing a lot of his stats.... roy is not i will sig bet you to delete accounts that roy will put up more ppg then wade you want to take it?

There asking who do you think is the better player in terms of skill-set not statistics. If you think Roy has a better skill set then Wade you have zero basketball knowledge. 100% of resonable people who arent currently bashing Miami, would go Wade>Roy at this point in their careers.

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 12:37 PM
There asking who do you think is the better player in terms of skill-set not statistics. If you think Roy has a better skill set then Wade you have zero basketball knowledge. 100% of resonable people who arent currently bashing Miami, would go Wade>Roy at this point in their careers.

Wade's the better driver and defender and more athletically gifted.
Roy is the better shooter and even passer/ball-handler (ast/tov ratio of 2.56:1 compared to Wade's of 1.78:1 for their respective careers)

Their similar rebounders and are both the leaders of their teams.

Wade is still better, right now. In two seasons though, Roy will be the best SG in the league.

Jays Claw
08-13-2010, 12:44 PM
Brandon Roy has my vote.

dre1990
08-13-2010, 12:52 PM
hahahahahah this guy

hahaha a heat fan that joined in july.

RocketPower2010
08-13-2010, 12:53 PM
It's really quite simple. Pretend that there is a complete league redraft and you're a GM. You have a pool of players that include Kobe, Wade, Roy, and Johnson. You have the top pick, what would you pick? And now suppose Kobe is gone, who would you pick now?

Stats are important but they are not everything. They are good at describing a player but NOT dictating a player.

KG didn't lose his elite player status cuz he went to Boston. He lost it cuz he got old...thought that was a given?

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 12:56 PM
It's really quite simple. Pretend that there is a complete league redraft and you're a GM. You have a pool of players that include Kobe, Wade, Roy, and Johnson. You have the top pick, what would you pick? And now suppose Kobe is gone, who would you pick now?

Stats are important but they are not everything. They are good at describing a player but NOT dictating a player.

KG didn't lose his elite player status cuz he went to Boston. He lost it cuz he got old...thought that was a given?

And that list would go:
Bryant
Wade
Roy
Ginobli
Mayo
and then Joe Johnson

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 01:16 PM
ill take that in a heart beat because wade is going to be the leading scorer of the heat. lebron is going to be the point foward look for his ppg to drop apg to increase and his rpg will stay steady. i guarentee roy wont score more you sure you want to do that because im 100% down.

im 100 % down to messege me if you are wade stats will drop lebrons will to what do you think

your stats realistic stats
wade 26 ppg 18-20 ppg
bron 28 ppg 20-22 ppg
bosh 25 ppg 18 ppg

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 01:19 PM
im 100 % down to messege me if you are wade stats will drop lebrons will to what do you think

your stats realistic stats
wade 26 ppg 18-20 ppg
bron 28 ppg 20-22 ppg
bosh 25 ppg 18 ppg

I see their points per game coming out like this:
Wade: 24ppg
James: 24ppg
Bosh: 19ppg

zambo4president
08-13-2010, 01:21 PM
I think Roy's number 2 but there's no doubt he's number 3 here by default.

zambo4president
08-13-2010, 01:22 PM
Ginobli's next IMO, not JJ.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 01:25 PM
I see their points per game coming out like this:
Wade: 24ppg
James: 24ppg
Bosh: 19ppg

possibly but i think roy will go 25 ppg next year i think he will have his peak year

Steelers23_06
08-13-2010, 01:34 PM
im 100 % down to messege me if you are wade stats will drop lebrons will to what do you think

your stats realistic stats
wade 26 ppg 18-20 ppg
bron 28 ppg 20-22 ppg
bosh 25 ppg 18 ppg

wade will average around 26. lebron will average around 24. bosh will average around 19. you are thinking that this is going to make them wayyyy worse. but i dont think so its hard because they will be playig against more man to man than double because people cant afford to leave anyone open on this roster so you double lebron, wade kills you and vice versa. my personal lineup wouldnt have a set position. i would have wade/lebron/miller/haslem/bosh. chalmers coming off the bench and leading the second unit because lebron and wade both are capable of bringing the ball up. and wade could defend the pg. but either way the lineup is ferocious

YankeesNets11
08-13-2010, 01:36 PM
Brandon Roy

Discr3t
08-13-2010, 01:37 PM
Roy
Johnson
ray Allen

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 01:38 PM
Roy
Johnson
ray Allen

There's obviously no respect for Ginobli on here if you put both Allen and Johnson ahead of him.

EaglePride615
08-13-2010, 01:39 PM
broy

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 01:43 PM
wade will average around 26. lebron will average around 24. bosh will average around 19. you are thinking that this is going to make them wayyyy worse. but i dont think so its hard because they will be playig against more man to man than double because people cant afford to leave anyone open on this roster so you double lebron, wade kills you and vice versa. my personal lineup wouldnt have a set position. i would have wade/lebron/miller/haslem/bosh. chalmers coming off the bench and leading the second unit because lebron and wade both are capable of bringing the ball up. and wade could defend the pg. but either way the lineup is ferocious

ok heres what your saying your 3 starts get say 70 ppg alone

say big z avgs 5-6
mario- 7-8
mike miller-10

rest of ben all together 30

your team avgs 121 ppg i doubt it

and wade wont avg more then lebron hate to break it to you

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 01:45 PM
ok heres what your saying your 3 starts get say 70 ppg alone

say big z avgs 5-6
mario- 7-8
mike miller-10

rest of ben all together 30

your team avgs 121 ppg i doubt it

and wade wont avg more then lebron hate to break it to you

What? Those numbers are ridiculous. A whole team bench averaging 30 over the course of the season is good, let alone you putting it at 50. That is beyond comprehensible.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 01:47 PM
What? Those numbers are ridiculous. A whole team bench averaging 30 over the course of the season is good, let alone you putting it at 50. That is beyond comprehensible.

ya more like 30 ppg all togetha my bad but still 110 is ridiculous

dolfan720
08-13-2010, 01:48 PM
1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Roy
4. JJ
5. Ellis
6. Martin
7. Jackson
8. Manu
9. Mayo
10. Carter

kswissdaf
08-13-2010, 01:52 PM
I honestly can not believe people would even compare Wade to Roy. Wade can carry a team Roy cant /Argument

J_M_B
08-13-2010, 01:53 PM
Brandon Roy, followed by Joe Johnson.

chris34
08-13-2010, 01:55 PM
Of course if I am starting a team it is Roy but for this season alone I still have to go with JJ.

J_M_B
08-13-2010, 01:57 PM
ok heres what your saying your 3 starts get say 70 ppg alone

say big z avgs 5-6
mario- 7-8
mike miller-10

rest of ben all together 30

your team avgs 121 ppg i doubt it

and wade wont avg more then lebron hate to break it to you

LeBron is going to have more of a distributing role, hell create for everyone. Dwyane will be the primary scorer.

Sorry to break it to you..

Shammyguy3
08-13-2010, 02:03 PM
ya more like 30 ppg all togetha my bad but still 110 is ridiculous

lol yeah no worries just wanted to point that out.


1. Kobe
2. Wade
3. Roy
4. JJ
5. Ellis
6. Martin
7. Jackson
8. Manu
9. Mayo
10. Carter

Having JJ, Ellis, Martin, Jackson better than Manu is ridiculous.


I honestly can not believe people would even compare Wade to Roy. Wade can carry a team Roy cant /Argument

Look at the numbers, they are a lot closer than you believe. Only edge that Wade has on Roy is his ability to get to the rim and draw fouls and on the defensive end. Wade is better, but Roy is in the neighborhood.


Of course if I am starting a team it is Roy but for this season alone I still have to go with JJ.

Why the hell is that? Roy is the answer to both of those questions.

Steelers23_06
08-13-2010, 02:12 PM
LeBron is going to have more of a distributing role, hell create for everyone. Dwyane will be the primary scorer.

Sorry to break it to you..

:clap: sorry boston617 im going to miss you because i know wade is going to average more im not even nervous about that your saying that someone who averaged 21.5 last season is going to have more than wade who hasnt averaged below that since his sophmore season. and played with a prime shaq. lebron is good at passing he averaged 8.6 assists with the cavs he will have no problem finding dwade trust me. so just wave the white flag. :surrender:

IversonIsKrazy
08-13-2010, 03:32 PM
I think Joe Johnson is overrated. Brandon Roy is #3. Although Roy & Joe have same stats, (21, 5, 5) I still think Joe's stats are a bit inflated. JJ has worse FG %. And when I watch them play, stats aside, JJ doesn't seem like anything more than a hot shooter. I mean yes he will drive, but he shoots so much, while Roy is a great attacker, and just looks like he has that Killer Instinct, while JJ doesn't have "IT". To be honest, I think Ginobili is better than JJ. Manu has better handles, passing, defense, and more of a heart. Manu avgs (when healthy) 19/6/5 on a team with 2 other stars, and JJ gets 21/5/5 as the main guy.

#3: B-Roy
#4: Ginnoobbilliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
#5: JJ

IversonIsKrazy
08-13-2010, 03:38 PM
And stop this ridiculous Wade VS Roy talk. Wade > Roy. I am a miami HATER but I mean c'mon, Wade is the better player, and will STILL have better stats as well. THe argument should not include Wade on this thread, it should be between

Roy VS JJ VS Manu

RadiantShot
08-13-2010, 03:39 PM
Brandon Roy. No comparison.

arkanian215
08-13-2010, 03:40 PM
Why is OJ Mayo on this list?

Joshtd1
08-13-2010, 03:42 PM
I don't get how people can say its close between Roy and Johnson..its really not. Johnson is starting to get pretty overrated. I dont even think he is better then a healthy Manu

Shady66
08-13-2010, 03:43 PM
I would say Roy but he looked completely horrible when he returned in the playoffs. So I am going with Joe.

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 03:47 PM
:clap: sorry boston617 im going to miss you because i know wade is going to average more im not even nervous about that your saying that someone who averaged 21.5 last season is going to have more than wade who hasnt averaged below that since his sophmore season. and played with a prime shaq. lebron is good at passing he averaged 8.6 assists with the cavs he will have no problem finding dwade trust me. so just wave the white flag. :surrender:

ya messege me to make it offical well talk some business but thats up to you i can careless.... p.s dont under estimate roy he is young talented and on a team that he is the go to guy lol im def not worried so just messege me :rolleyes:

tredigs
08-13-2010, 03:52 PM
no my logic would still have kobe at # 1

last year avg 27.0 ppg lol

when i look at top 10 players im looking at oging into next season the players who will be the most productive thats what im looking at

You are in way over your head - stop correlating what a players potential ppg will be to how good of a player they are. D. Wade is leaps and bounds better than Roy, and every other SG in the league not named Kobe, who he is just as good if not better than. Your arguments are beyond weak, man. I'll leave it at that.

Kashmir13579
08-13-2010, 03:52 PM
if Manu falls out of the top 5 this list is ridiculous. just like the PG list. where was tony parker again? like 8 or somthing?

IversonIsKrazy
08-13-2010, 03:58 PM
^^
agreed

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 04:00 PM
You are in way over your head - stop correlating what a players potential ppg will be to how good of a player they are. D. Wade is leaps and bounds better than Roy, and every other SG in the league not named Kobe, who he is just as good if not better than. Your arguments are beyond weak, man. I'll leave it at that.

how are my arguments weak bro kobe is by far supier then any sg my logic works there my logic would have d-wade at 2 if d-wade was with bosh still.... but he is sharing the ball with multiple dif not player allstars.... roy is the go to guy # 1 noone else of ocurse thats gunna affect a players game... you really think that d-wade and lebron are going to be top 3 players when they play together lol... or the ench wont play or noone else will take a shot come on can you guys really be a little bit more realistic i obv know d-wade is capable of taking over a game but do u think lebron is going to let ihm take 30 shots


this is prosportsdaily of course im going to argue with people i dont care if im right or wrong b-roy is a monster and d-wade is better but he is sharing the light with 2 other elite players and 1 allstar

LTS
08-13-2010, 04:01 PM
roy, johnson

dhopisthename
08-13-2010, 04:01 PM
I would say Roy but he looked completely horrible when he returned in the playoffs. So I am going with Joe.

lol that was 10 days after surgery

tredigs
08-13-2010, 04:06 PM
how are my arguments weak bro kobe is by far supier then any sg my logic works there my logic would have d-wade at 2 if d-wade was with bosh still.... but he is sharing the ball with multiple dif not player allstars.... roy is the go to guy # 1 noone else of ocurse thats gunna affect a players game... you really think that d-wade and lebron are going to be top 3 players when they play together lol... or the ench wont play or noone else will take a shot come on can you guys really be a little bit more realistic i obv know d-wade is capable of taking over a game but do u think lebron is going to let ihm take 30 shots


this is prosportsdaily of course im going to argue with people i dont care if im right or wrong b-roy is a monster and d-wade is better but he is sharing the light with 2 other elite players and 1 allstar

This is barely English, I'm not even going to argue with you man. All I'll say is that your contention that superstars playing together will somehow make them worse is flat out wrong, and the opposite of what is actually going to happen. It's not going to be a pretty sight for other teams when they can't double Wade OR Lebron (the key here being an open Mike Miller as much as it is about those two). When Shaq + Kobe played together in their final seasons, they were arguably the two best players in the league - food for thought...

cowboyz180
08-13-2010, 04:09 PM
brandon roy...easy

BOSTON617
08-13-2010, 04:19 PM
This is barely English, I'm not even going to argue with you man. All I'll say is that your contention that superstars playing together will somehow make them worse is flat out wrong, and the opposite of what is actually going to happen. It's not going to be a pretty sight for other teams when they can't double Wade OR Lebron (the key here being an open Mike Miller as much as it is about those two). When Shaq + Kobe played together in their final seasons, they were arguably the two best players in the league - food for thought...

it was just kobe and shaq tho we are talking about 3 top 10 players on one team and a good mike miller i'd love to see them have there stats still

Avenged
08-13-2010, 04:32 PM
I'm too lazy to look up stats at the moment especially when many posters have done so already.

So, I'm going to use the most simplest reason but perhaps the most understanding one: Wade is considered a top 3 player in the league by the masses. When you think Wade, you think top 3, if not at least top 5.

When you think Roy, do you guys honestly think "top 5"? Seriously? Phenomenal player, but is not on Wade's level and is NOT TOP 5.

Kobe, Lebron, Wade, Durant, Dwight, Chris Paul, D-Will... In no particular order, but that's already 7 players on top of my head.

arkanian215
08-13-2010, 04:59 PM
This one seems decided...onto 4?

td0tsfinest
08-13-2010, 05:02 PM
B-Roy for sure.

LayZbone
08-13-2010, 05:11 PM
Definitely Brandon Roy here. And Wade's name shouldn't come up in comparison to any other SG besides Kobe. I can't understand why his name keeps popping up in this thread. Move past it. Kobe & Wade are #1 and #2.....the drop off after that is ridiculously steep.

NBA-GMaster
08-14-2010, 06:01 AM
please dont skip the 4th spot.. Where's Arenas?? He'll play SG next season..

icej
08-14-2010, 06:30 AM
Roy for me too.

magichatnumber9
08-14-2010, 06:53 AM
How can you pick a guy that will never be healthy for a full season?

blazerman
08-16-2010, 08:02 PM
B Roy is definitely the 3rd best