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huskerslam
08-07-2010, 01:37 AM
Pretty straightforward,

Anyone been better than Yaz in 67'? If you think so, what are you basing it on?

nymetsrule
08-07-2010, 01:41 AM
Me, based on myself.

huskerslam
08-07-2010, 01:54 AM
nymsetsrule, at least pretend like you know something about baseball or care about it. Curious how many people here even know the game was played before roids. Used to be 30 hrs meant something.

DieHardColtsfan
08-07-2010, 02:03 AM
nymsetsrule, at least pretend like you know something about baseball or care about it. Curious how many people here even know the game was played before roids. Used to be 30 hrs meant something.

Yep and Maris' 61

heathonater
08-07-2010, 02:03 AM
if you want to go way back in time, both gehrig and ruth had better seasons than yaz. highly doubt there were too many peds going around then.

Jeffy25
08-07-2010, 02:09 AM
Seriously?

There are so many freaking single seasons that were not only better overall, but both offensively and defensively individually.

It was a great season, but there are many other great seasons that whoop it

Jeffy25
08-07-2010, 02:10 AM
Maybe a top 20 season all time, Ruth and Bonds each have like 5 seasons better.

Havoc Wreaker
08-07-2010, 02:10 AM
Barry.Lamar.Bonds

92 93 96 01 02 03 04

ccspence8
08-07-2010, 02:12 AM
Yeah, how about Ted Williams or Albert Pujols

the nightman
08-07-2010, 02:13 AM
boy i tell you what, better than yaz? mercy!

1908_Cubs
08-07-2010, 02:41 AM
****. This....****.

I can't even respond to this.

ccspence8
08-07-2010, 03:11 AM
Williams 41'
.406 37 HR 120 RBI .533 OBP .735 SLUG

Williams '49
.343 43 HR 159 RBI .490 OBP .650 SLUG

Frank Thomas '94
.353 38 HR 101 RBI .487 OBP .729 SLUG

Griffey Jr '97
.304 56 HR 147 RBI .382 OBP .646 SLUG

Pujols '03
.359 43 HR 124 RBI .439 OBP .667 SLUG

Bonds '04
.362 45 HR 101 RBI .601 OBP .812 SLUG

Pujols '06
.331 49 HR 137 RBI .431 OBP .671 SLUG

Howard '06
.313 58 HR 149 RBI .425 OBP .659 SLUG

turnaround3
08-07-2010, 03:48 AM
Rob Bowen '07

Zaunnie
08-07-2010, 06:23 AM
I'm going to say nymetsrule.

bagwell368
08-07-2010, 07:15 AM
The question I think was not asked correctly.

Obviously Yaz's stats have been exceeded before and after.

The question is two fold IMO:

1. What single player since WWII has had a single season that has awaken fan interest to such a level, and such a level that has not faded in the following 43 years? Let me help you - nobody. The flagship Yankee/Red Sox rivalry would as big as the Orioles/NYY is today.

2. What single player also since WW II had such a monumental final two weeks of the season in such a tight pennant battle?

BTW, the era was pitching dominated, his adjusted stats are:

.347/.437/.650 w/ 47 HR and 132 RBI

He was a 12.2 WAR, and had a 193 OPS+, his best of the 4 years he led the AL in OPS+

Context gentlemen. The only pennant race in the history of baseball when 4 teams going into the final two games of the season could win it. A team that had finished 9th the year before, and hadn't played an important game since 1949. The Sox were lifted out of mediocrity in a single season by Yaz. Tony C, Lonborg, Scott, Petrocelli - important figures, but, no - it was Yaz, take it from someone that was there.

Ruth, Bonds, Williams – none of them spawned a loaf of bread named for them, had a LP record featuring them, had the theme from the Man From La Mancha co-opted as their theme song – all in less than one season, when the prior season attendance was in 3-4-5 k a game range. People refused to enter the tunnel to the airport when he was at bat.

mark1125
08-07-2010, 09:14 AM
You can't compare the Ruth/Gehrig era to Yaz's era and you can't compare Yaz' era to the PED era.

Between PED's and watered down talent because of too many teams, any offensive record since the early 90's mean nothing to me.

fadedmario
08-07-2010, 11:22 AM
Pretty straightforward,

Anyone been better than Yaz in 67'? If you think so, what are you basing it on?

Babe Ruth most years of his career. Ty Cobb most years of his career. Mickey Mantle 4-5 years of his career. Barry Bonds 4-5 years of his career. Ted Williams most of his career. Joe DiMaggio most of his career. Lou Gehrig most of his career. and so on, and so on, and so on. Yaz's numbers that year weren't even that high.

quade36
08-07-2010, 11:26 AM
The question I think was not asked correctly.

Obviously Yaz's stats have been exceeded before and after.

The question is two fold IMO:

1. What single player since WWII has had a single season that has awaken fan interest to such a level, and such a level that has not faded in the following 43 years? Let me help you - nobody. The flagship Yankee/Red Sox rivalry would as big as the Orioles/NYY is today.

2. What single player also since WW II had such a monumental final two weeks of the season in such a tight pennant battle?

BTW, the era was pitching dominated, his adjusted stats are:

.347/.437/.650 w/ 47 HR and 132 RBI

He was a 12.2 WAR, and had a 193 OPS+, his best of the 4 years he led the AL in OPS+

Context gentlemen. The only pennant race in the history of baseball when 4 teams going into the final two games of the season could win it. A team that had finished 9th the year before, and hadn't played an important game since 1949. The Sox were lifted out of mediocrity in a single season by Yaz. Tony C, Lonborg, Scott, Petrocelli - important figures, but, no - it was Yaz, take it from someone that was there.

Ruth, Bonds, Williams none of them spawned a loaf of bread named for them, had a LP record featuring them, had the theme from the Man From La Mancha co-opted as their theme song all in less than one season, when the prior season attendance was in 3-4-5 k a game range. People refused to enter the tunnel to the airport when he was at bat.

I don't know. Just looking at stats, those 67 red sox had a ton of hitting. Highest team BA easily, most HRs, RBIs, Runs Scored. Yes Yaz was their best player, but to say he helped them win single handed is weak. This is of course not including a pretty darn good pitching staff

fadedmario
08-07-2010, 11:28 AM
Miguel Cabrera is having a better season this year (batting) than Yaz had that year

hoggin88
08-07-2010, 11:41 AM
Miguel Cabrera is having a better season this year (batting) than Yaz had that year

Except Yaz was considered a great fielder, including that season, while Cabrera plays below average defense.

fadedmario
08-07-2010, 12:07 PM
Except Yaz was considered a great fielder, including that season, while Cabrera plays below average defense.

I agree

GoldDustTwin
08-07-2010, 12:15 PM
I don't know. Just looking at stats, those 67 red sox had a ton of hitting. Highest team BA easily, most HRs, RBIs, Runs Scored. Yes Yaz was their best player, but to say he helped them win single handed is weak. This is of course not including a pretty darn good pitching staff

2 times wrong.

The pitching staff ranked, ERA wise 8th out of 10 teams in the AL. Though Lonborg did win a Cy, they ranked in the bottom half of the league in most pitching stats (other than wins and saves).

As for Yaz single-handedly helping them win - before saying "it's weak" look at the month by month stats for that year. You'll notice his slugging hits the .700 range and his OBP the .500 range (both bests for a single month for him that year) during Sept when they needed to win every game.

fvthreeee
08-07-2010, 12:28 PM
A-Rod in 07

.314/.422/.645
54 HR 156 RBI 24 SB

GoldDustTwin
08-07-2010, 12:35 PM
A-Rod in 07

.314/.422/.645
54 HR 156 RBI 24 SB



You forgot the key numbers - 86 vials of HGH & 107 syringes full of steroids.

Or had he "quit' doing them by that point, since there wasn't the same pressure to perform when he got to NY?

Jeffy25
08-07-2010, 01:15 PM
you do know that WAR adjusts, a 12 War, while epic, still doesn't reach some of the most epic seasons ever.

In context sure, it was great...But if we are talking about eras, then he stands alone at that time period....but other seasons have been much much better.