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Mile High Champ
08-06-2010, 09:53 AM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

PG Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

1) Deron Williams
2) Chris Paul
3) Steve Nash
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chauncey Billups
7) Russel Westbrook
8)
9)
10)




2009 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Deron Williams
3) Chauncey Billups
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Jose Calderon
10) Jason Kidd

2008 Off-Season PSD PG Rankings
1) Chris Paul
2) Steve Nash
3) Deron Williams
4) Baron Davis
5) Tony Parker
6) Jason Kidd
7) Chauncey Billups
8) Gilbert Arenas
9) Jose Calderon
10) Andre Miller

zo#33
08-06-2010, 10:01 AM
Parker

pistonsfanomg
08-06-2010, 10:05 AM
John Wall....


REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.


idc hes one of the best in the league :D

CavsYanksDuke
08-06-2010, 10:07 AM
Stephen Curry

Corey
08-06-2010, 10:12 AM
For me, this decision is between Tony Parker and Jameer Nelson.

I'm giving the edge to Parker though.

BOSTON617
08-06-2010, 10:17 AM
it has to be brooks he so underrated top 3 defensive pg in league and is effictive with the ball

MagicHero3
08-06-2010, 10:19 AM
Parker then Jameer. Jameer was considered the best/ 2nd best PG in the East before his injury, but after the injury, I would def put Parker and all those guys on the list ahead of him.

tking07
08-06-2010, 10:21 AM
John Wall....




idc hes one of the best in the league :D

Your sig is ********.

Ace33Bone
08-06-2010, 10:21 AM
Either TP or J Kidd... I went with Kidd just because I feel that he is better at running the team that he is on... but Parker is a far superior scorer

Khalifa21
08-06-2010, 10:23 AM
Tony Parker.

He should've been ahead of Westbrook in my opinion.

GMEN4EVER
08-06-2010, 10:39 AM
Still too soon for Kidd. This one is between Parker and Nelson to me. And i'm going with a slight edge to Parker here. He's about the same in creating for others, but is a better scorer. I think Nelson is better on D, but i'm goin with the guy who can score 20 pts nightly in the playoffs when he has to.

WeBallin
08-06-2010, 10:50 AM
I'ma say Derek Fisher, an i hate the Lakers with a passion, but Fisher has hit more clutch shots then anybody on the remainder off the list h3ll if not all of them......

BigEasy1323
08-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Kidd, his number with the exception of scoring are superior to Parkers and Nelsons (the Mavs do not need him to score but on any given night he can drop a triple double. I will take that over 20 from my pg any night) It is tough to pass on Curry and Evans. Those two are studs in the making

Raidaz4Life
08-06-2010, 11:07 AM
Are you people kidding me??? How the hell does TYREKE EVANS only have 2 votes??? It looks like he is already turning back into one of the most underrated players in the league.

beasted86
08-06-2010, 11:22 AM
I'm insulted by you boldly casting Russell Westbrook as an automatic lock for the #7 spot.

It's pretty insane that you think a guy who hasn't made 1 all-star and has career averages of 40% FG, and 3+ turnovers and barely a 2:1 AST/TOV a game is an autolock in any top 10 PG list. That's rather hilarious. I haven't answered the poll at all out of a feeling of disrespect.

And this is coming from a big fan of Westbrook.

Mr Moody
08-06-2010, 11:24 AM
Geez been voting for Kidd and he us still up there

Shammyguy3
08-06-2010, 11:29 AM
Player A
56.8ts%- - -53.5 eFG%- - - 24.6 AST%- - - 16.5 TOV% - - - 21.8% USG%
Player B
54.2ts%- - -49.4 eFG%- - - 30.9 AST%- - - 15.3 TOV% - - - 25.8% USG%
Player C
54.0ts%- - -51.0 eFG%- - - 32.1 AST%- - - 15.5 TOV% - - - 22.3% USG%


Going strictly by stats, Player C (based on last season only) is better than both A & B seeing as he has a low usage% with a better assist to turnover ratio, along with a good eFG%.

Then take teams into account with supporting cast....
Player A's team shooting percentage was: 46.9
Player B's team shooting percentage was: 47.0
Player C's team shooting percentage was: 47.3

However, team shooting percentage doesn't affect ast%, so that only affects the "raw stats" (such as PPG, RPG, and APG). So, we don't look at that. Also, pace doesn't affect ast%, usg%, or tov%.

Player A was assisted on 44.3% of his shots. with 74.1% of his threes being assisted as well.
Player B was assisted on 28.7% of his shots. with 90.0% of his threes being assisted as well.
Player C was assisted on 25.9% of his shots, with 68.6% of his threes being assisted as well.

Player A played 80 games. Healthy
Player B played 56 games. Not Healthy
Player C played 65 games. Somewhat Healthy.


Looking at these numbers, taking into account the number of made field goals that were assisted on, the ast% and tov% along with usg%...Player C was the better player this past season.

That player is Jameer Nelson.
(Player A-Curry...Player B-Parker)

BOSTON617
08-06-2010, 11:31 AM
I'm insulted by you boldly casting Russell Westbrook as an automatic lock for the #7 spot.

It's pretty insane that you think a guy who hasn't made 1 all-star and has career averages of 40% FG, and 3+ turnovers and barely a 2:1 AST/TOV a game is an autolock in any top 10 PG list. That's rather hilarious. I haven't answered the poll at all out of a feeling of disrespect.

And this is coming from a big fan of Westbrook.

he's young and play great defense jsut because hes not an allstar doesnt mean he doesnt deserve to be there.... j kidd and parker are on the decline but they both are still top 10 pgs in the league tyreke and curry shouldnt make this list mainly because they played one season.... they are still young and need to devlop i think you wil lsee that this year....

jim51990
08-06-2010, 11:33 AM
j kidd no doubt about it

Kakaroach
08-06-2010, 11:34 AM
I'd take Parker over Westy as of right now, so Parker here too. Westy is great and will be great, I just think he got somewhat over-rated in the Lakers series because Fisher was guarding him.

mynameismo
08-06-2010, 11:37 AM
Kidd..

beasted86
08-06-2010, 11:38 AM
he's young and play great defense jsut because hes not an allstar doesnt mean he doesnt deserve to be there.... j kidd and parker are on the decline but they both are still top 10 pgs in the league tyreke and curry shouldnt make this list mainly because they played one season.... they are still young and need to devlop i think you wil lsee that this year....

Listen, I'm not hating on Westbrook, I like him... as I said, I'm a fan of his game. I honestly wouldn't even be mad if anyone ranked him 7th in their top 10 list... but I'm flat out insulted by the notion that Westbrook is an "auto lock" for a top 7 spot in PGs in the NBA.

He's overrated by those who believe he deserves that much credit.

Angel2Maverick
08-06-2010, 11:43 AM
Kidd nuff said.....

Niro
08-06-2010, 11:48 AM
steph

Baller1
08-06-2010, 12:06 PM
Parker.

Jays Claw
08-06-2010, 12:08 PM
It's got to be Tony Parker.

LA_Raiders
08-06-2010, 12:11 PM
Mr. Longoria

krest213
08-06-2010, 12:24 PM
Hey guys, Some of you may remember that for the last two years I have conducted a poll at the end of the season that had PSD users vote for the top 10 players at each position. Its is now that time to vote! I would like to start this up once more considering the NBA season is now over and we can get to this discussion since lots has changed since the start of last season. Please TRY AND VOTE FOR THE BEST PLAYER AND DON'T BE A HOMER. I will leave the poll open for one day and than we can carry on to the next best player at that position. I will add more players after each round. I have also included the results of those last 2 years so everyone can see how much things have changed...Enjoy.

REMEMBER this is based on who is the best player, not the player who has the potential to be the best.

PG Rankings DONT FORGET TO VOTE!!

1) Deron Williams
2) Chris Paul
3) Steve Nash
4) Rajon Rondo
5) Derrick Rose
6) Chauncey Billups
7) Russel Westbrook
8)
9)
10)

dude ur junk deserve :facepalm::facepalm:

Avenged
08-06-2010, 12:28 PM
I'm going with Parker again, hopefully he can remain fully healthy this upcoming season to make everyone a believer again.

cowboyz180
08-06-2010, 12:32 PM
Jason kidd!!!

Shammyguy3
08-06-2010, 12:41 PM
Parker.

You're sig....Westbrook isn't better than Rose.

Rose 53.20% true shooting percentage
Westbrook 48.90% true shooting percentage

Rose 49.50% efficient field goal percentage
Westbrook 42.80% efficient field goal percentage

Rose 27.20% usage percentage
Westbrook 25.70% usage percentage

Rose 30.30% assist percentage
Westbrook 38.60% assist percentage

Rose 12.50% turnover percentage
Westbrook 16.60% turnover percentage

Rose 5.90% total rebound percentage
Westbrook 8.20% total rebound percentage

Rose 31.50% percentage of shots assisted on
Westbrook 30.30% percentage of shots assisted on

Rose 55.10% at rim shooting percentage 34.30% percent assisted on
Westbrook 52.70% at rim shooting percentage 19.8 percent assisted on

Rose 57.50% <10 feet shooting percentage 24.00% percent assisted on
Westbrook 38.80% <10 feet shooting percentage 19.1 percent assisted on

Rose 50.00% 10-15 feet shooting percentage 20.70% percent assisted on
Westbrook 33.90% 10-15 feet shooting percentage 14.3 percent assisted on

Rose 44.00% 16-23 feet shooting percentage 34.00% percent assisted on
Westbrook 37.00% 16-23 feet shooting percentage 14.8 percent assisted on

Rose 40.10% 3 point efficient field percentage 56.30% percent assisted on
Westbrook 33.20% 3 point efficient percentage 69.6 percent assisted on

Rose 18.6 PER
Westbrook 17.8 PER


Westbrook is only better than Rose in ast%, trb%, but he does murder him in defense....
However, Rose murders him in ts%, eFG%, and shooting % everywhere on the floor excluding "at rim" shots. That's with being the number 1 option. Rose also beats him in turnover%, but he also has a less ast% so that's a wash. (They're the same in usage% and % of shots assisted on).

Rose is a little better right now, with Westbrook's only real edge being defense.

97NYer
08-06-2010, 12:42 PM
Tony Parker, I've been voting for him since like 5.

Purch
08-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Parker easily =X

I actually agree with most of this list so far. Especially the top 5

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2010, 12:43 PM
Tyreke. Parker is getting overrated I can't believe he has so much votes.

Purch
08-06-2010, 12:51 PM
You voted Tyreke. And then you're claiming Parker is overrated?

I'm guessing you never watched the spurs

RadiantShot
08-06-2010, 01:03 PM
Tony Parker. Easily.

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2010, 01:06 PM
You voted Tyreke. And then you're claiming Parker is overrated?

I'm guessing you never watched the spurs

I'm guessing u never watched the Spurs this past season where he averaged 16 PPG and came off the bench in the playoffs.

XxigglesphanxX
08-06-2010, 01:09 PM
i accidentally hit fisher :(

Purch
08-06-2010, 01:10 PM
I'm guessing u never watched the Spurs this past season where he averaged 16 PPG and came off the bench in the playoffs.

I guess you never watched the part where he was injured. If injuries matter I guess Chris Paul shouldn't be in the top 5:facepalm:

XxigglesphanxX
08-06-2010, 01:12 PM
I guess you never watched the part where he was injured. If injuries matter I guess Chris Paul shouldn't be in the top 5:facepalm:

are you comparing tony parker to chris paul?

DenButsu
08-06-2010, 01:14 PM
WOW.

Lol @ Rose over Billups. Sheeeeeesh.

td0tsfinest
08-06-2010, 01:16 PM
I chose Parker for 7th, so it makes sense to choose him at 8th.

LTS
08-06-2010, 01:22 PM
The guy that has a hot wife

LTS
08-06-2010, 01:24 PM
You're sig....Westbrook isn't better than Rose.

Rose 53.20% true shooting percentage
Westbrook 48.90% true shooting percentage

Rose 49.50% efficient field goal percentage
Westbrook 42.80% efficient field goal percentage

Rose 27.20% usage percentage
Westbrook 25.70% usage percentage

Rose 30.30% assist percentage
Westbrook 38.60% assist percentage

Rose 12.50% turnover percentage
Westbrook 16.60% turnover percentage

Rose 5.90% total rebound percentage
Westbrook 8.20% total rebound percentage

Rose 31.50% percentage of shots assisted on
Westbrook 30.30% percentage of shots assisted on

Rose 55.10% at rim shooting percentage 34.30% percent assisted on
Westbrook 52.70% at rim shooting percentage 19.8 percent assisted on

Rose 57.50% <10 feet shooting percentage 24.00% percent assisted on
Westbrook 38.80% <10 feet shooting percentage 19.1 percent assisted on

Rose 50.00% 10-15 feet shooting percentage 20.70% percent assisted on
Westbrook 33.90% 10-15 feet shooting percentage 14.3 percent assisted on

Rose 44.00% 16-23 feet shooting percentage 34.00% percent assisted on
Westbrook 37.00% 16-23 feet shooting percentage 14.8 percent assisted on

Rose 40.10% 3 point efficient field percentage 56.30% percent assisted on
Westbrook 33.20% 3 point efficient percentage 69.6 percent assisted on

Rose 18.6 PER
Westbrook 17.8 PER


Westbrook is only better than Rose in ast%, trb%, but he does murder him in defense....
However, Rose murders him in ts%, eFG%, and shooting % everywhere on the floor excluding "at rim" shots. That's with being the number 1 option. Rose also beats him in turnover%, but he also has a less ast% so that's a wash. (They're the same in usage% and % of shots assisted on).

Rose is a little better right now, with Westbrook's only real edge being defense.


Its debatable and I'll take PG who gets AST and defends over a scoring PG because the number 1 thing a pG needs to do is dish the rock

Avenged
08-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Fisher has a vote! :dance:

BigEasy1323
08-06-2010, 01:24 PM
Player A
56.8ts%- - -53.5 eFG%- - - 24.6 AST%- - - 16.5 TOV% - - - 21.8% USG%
Player B
54.2ts%- - -49.4 eFG%- - - 30.9 AST%- - - 15.3 TOV% - - - 25.8% USG%
Player C
54.0ts%- - -51.0 eFG%- - - 32.1 AST%- - - 15.5 TOV% - - - 22.3% USG%


Going strictly by stats, Player C (based on last season only) is better than both A & B seeing as he has a low usage% with a better assist to turnover ratio, along with a good eFG%.

Then take teams into account with supporting cast....
Player A's team shooting percentage was: 46.9
Player B's team shooting percentage was: 47.0
Player C's team shooting percentage was: 47.3

However, team shooting percentage doesn't affect ast%, so that only affects the "raw stats" (such as PPG, RPG, and APG). So, we don't look at that. Also, pace doesn't affect ast%, usg%, or tov%.

Player A was assisted on 44.3% of his shots. with 74.1% of his threes being assisted as well.
Player B was assisted on 28.7% of his shots. with 90.0% of his threes being assisted as well.
Player C was assisted on 25.9% of his shots, with 68.6% of his threes being assisted as well.

Player A played 80 games. Healthy
Player B played 56 games. Not Healthy
Player C played 65 games. Somewhat Healthy.


Looking at these numbers, taking into account the number of made field goals that were assisted on, the ast% and tov% along with usg%...Player C was the better player this past season.

That player is Jameer Nelson.
(Player A-Curry...Player B-Parker)


Player D eFG% .554 AST% 36.4 TOV% 21.4(not pretty) USG% 14.5

Player D assist to tunrover ratio 4.99
(more effective than Player A, B, and C

Player D 74.8% of shots were assisted (not impressive)

Player D played 80 games. Healthy

Player D is Jason Kidd....just thought it was worthwile to compare his numbers too

Purch
08-06-2010, 01:26 PM
are you comparing tony parker to chris paul?

No I was comparing the fact they were both injured last season :rolleyes:

J_M_B
08-06-2010, 01:31 PM
Tony Parker, I thought he deserved the #7 spot over Westbrook.

BOSTON617
08-06-2010, 01:32 PM
no love for arron brooks!?!?!? so lost with that

Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2007-08 HOU 51 11:54 1.8 4.4 41.3 0.7 2.1 33.0 0.8 1.0 85.7 0.3 0.8 1.1 1.7 0.9 0.3 0.1 1.4 5.2
2008-09 HOU 80 25:00 4.0 9.8 40.4 1.4 3.9 36.6 1.9 2.2 86.6 0.4 1.6 2.0 3.0 1.6 0.6 0.1 1.9 11.2
2009-10 HOU 82 35:36 7.0 16.2 43.2 2.6 6.4 39.8 3.0 3.6 82.2 0.7 2.0 2.6 5.3 2.8 0.8 0.2 2.4 19.6

he has def devolped into an elite pg! hes only going to get better i feel

Storch
08-06-2010, 02:02 PM
At this point i say go with the rings. Dfish has 5.

tredigs
08-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Listen, I'm not hating on Westbrook, I like him... as I said, I'm a fan of his game. I honestly wouldn't even be mad if anyone ranked him 7th in their top 10 list... but I'm flat out insulted by the notion that Westbrook is an "auto lock" for a top 7 spot in PGs in the NBA.

He's overrated by those who believe he deserves that much credit.

What are you talking about, he was voted in yesterday dude. The only "auto lock" vote that this guy did was D. Rose at the 5 spot. He didn't have the vote, which is lame. Could've exploited some good arguments as to why he should or shouldn't be there.

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There's an argument for Kidd, Parker, Nelson, 'Reke and Steph Curry. I chose Curry. I chose him for the immediate leadership and poise he showed on a team that was going through absolute turmoil with injuries all season. Also, Curry constantly improved as the season continued and was putting up absolute all star stats for the 2nd half of the season (once Monta relinquished some control of the teams ball handling duties to him). So for a guy like him, it's much more telling to look at his split/stats rather than the full season; this is what you should expect from him going forward (if not better, obviously).

Curry's 2nd half+ stats - 43 games:



Name Team Pos g min/g pts/g 3/g reb/g ast/g stl/g blk/g fg% fga/g ft% fta/g to/g

Curry GSW G 43 39.6 21.9 2.7 5.1 7.2 2.0 0.2 0.463 17.7 0.910 3.1 3.5

Kidd DAL G 42 36.2 11.7 2.5 5.8 9.3 2.0 0.3 0.426 9.3 0.812 1.6 2.6

Evans SAC G 39 37.2 19.7 0.5 5.4 6.4 1.5 0.3 0.458 15.8 0.720 6.7 3.1

Nelson ORL G 42 28.9 13.1 1.4 3.1 5.7 0.7 0.0 0.468 10.9 0.861 1.7 2.2


His last ten games he started going nova and putting up 25/6/8 with 2.5 stls/g. I'm taking Steph Curry going forward -

AI4MVP
08-06-2010, 02:35 PM
Jason Kidd. 'nuff said. one of the one true point guards left in the league.

one of the smartest, best passing, best leaders, best point guards in the league

IversonIsKrazy
08-06-2010, 02:51 PM
Parker > Billups
Parker > Westbrook

Tony has deserved #6. Tony Parker will remind everyone next year when hes fully healthy how dominant he is, and be in the top 5 for point in the paint per game.

VinceCarter
08-06-2010, 03:08 PM
Can't wait until Devin Harris gets his top 10 respect again :sigh:

C'mon Devin let's have a HEALTHY season this year.

Htownballa1622
08-06-2010, 03:20 PM
no love for arron brooks!?!?!? so lost with that

Year Team G Min M A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG
2007-08 HOU 51 11:54 1.8 4.4 41.3 0.7 2.1 33.0 0.8 1.0 85.7 0.3 0.8 1.1 1.7 0.9 0.3 0.1 1.4 5.2
2008-09 HOU 80 25:00 4.0 9.8 40.4 1.4 3.9 36.6 1.9 2.2 86.6 0.4 1.6 2.0 3.0 1.6 0.6 0.1 1.9 11.2
2009-10 HOU 82 35:36 7.0 16.2 43.2 2.6 6.4 39.8 3.0 3.6 82.2 0.7 2.0 2.6 5.3 2.8 0.8 0.2 2.4 19.6

he has def devolped into an elite pg! hes only going to get better i feel

Thanks for understanding basketall . this might as well be a popularity contest

IversonIsKrazy
08-06-2010, 03:28 PM
To the Harris fan. A healthy Parker is someone who won a Finals MVP, averaged 23ppg 7apg year before for a WINNING team, and was top 5 for points in the paint per game. Harris healthy will get the same stats (23/7) for a LOSING team.

And to the Houston fan who loves Brooks. C'mon seriously, a guy that averaged 19ppg 3 APG does not deserve a top 10 vote over guys like Parker, Kidd (triple-double machine), Tyreke, or Curry

Dallas Tx4Life
08-06-2010, 03:32 PM
No love for Devin Harris either huh? Hmm... Still wish the Mavs didn't make that trade...

Brooklyn Mets
08-06-2010, 03:43 PM
TonyParker

MiamiWadeCounty
08-06-2010, 03:51 PM
Parker is so underrated. He's bettr than Westbrook and billups. One below average ur and ur ready to say he sux. Cmon he's a champion, can dish it out , a takes t to the hoop as good as ne pg in the league

greg_ory_2005
08-06-2010, 04:00 PM
Went with Parker. He's definitely better than the other guys on the list. And he's better than Westbrook too, so don't know how that happened.

barbjake
08-06-2010, 04:11 PM
Are you people kidding me??? How the hell does TYREKE EVANS only have 2 votes??? It looks like he is already turning back into one of the most underrated players in the league.

x2

TYREKE SHOULD HAVE BEEN RIGHT AFTER D.ROSE

Shammyguy3
08-06-2010, 04:15 PM
Player D eFG% .554 AST% 36.4 TOV% 21.4(not pretty) USG% 14.5

Player D assist to tunrover ratio 4.99
(more effective than Player A, B, and C

Player D 74.8% of shots were assisted (not impressive)

Player D played 80 games. Healthy

Player D is Jason Kidd....just thought it was worthwile to compare his numbers too

Yeah for sure man. I agree that defense is important as well as someone else mentioned....but, those four are all pretty much equal in that department


Thanks for understanding basketall . this might as well be a popularity contest

Aaron Brooks:
.538 ts%
.497 eFG%
23.4 ast%
13.5 tov%
24.2 usg%

not quite up there with the others, but he is underrated.

AntiG
08-06-2010, 04:19 PM
I'm insulted by you boldly casting Russell Westbrook as an automatic lock for the #7 spot.

It's pretty insane that you think a guy who hasn't made 1 all-star and has career averages of 40% FG, and 3+ turnovers and barely a 2:1 AST/TOV a game is an autolock in any top 10 PG list. That's rather hilarious. I haven't answered the poll at all out of a feeling of disrespect.

And this is coming from a big fan of Westbrook.

Well unlike Derrick Rose, Westbrook won the #7 spot by fair voting so there's nothing really to get insulted/upset over.......

kozelkid
08-06-2010, 05:29 PM
I think people are crazy if they don't take Curry here. The guy averaged 22/7.7/5.5 with 46 fg% and 44 3pt %. Too lazy to actually calculate his ts% since allstar break, but I can tell you that it is probably higher than any pg expect Nash and Paul.

VinceCarter
08-06-2010, 06:11 PM
To the Harris fan. A healthy Parker is someone who won a Finals MVP, averaged 23ppg 7apg year before for a WINNING team, and was top 5 for points in the paint per game. Harris healthy will get the same stats (23/7) for a LOSING team.

So you agree he is easily a top 10 PG?

Sadds The Gr8
08-06-2010, 11:39 PM
I guess you never watched the part where he was injured. If injuries matter I guess Chris Paul shouldn't be in the top 5:facepalm:
Chris Paul is a 20+11 every game, unlike Parker. That's why he's still top 5.

IversonIsKrazy
08-07-2010, 01:58 AM
So you agree he is [B]easily a top 10 PG?

No. Harris still has to prove me that he can lead a WINNING team. Although I was expecting a lot from him last year, but he got injured. I (as a Spur fan) was afraid of the MAvs when Harris was the starting PG. Parker deserves this spot without a doubt. 9 & 10, Harris can be argued, as can J-Kidd, S-Curry, Tyreke. So I would not say Harris is an EASY top 10.

hustleloyrspct
08-07-2010, 02:25 AM
it was a tough choice between parker and kidd but in the end i chose parker

knicksfan23
08-07-2010, 02:27 AM
brandon jennings is gross people...watch him be in the top 5 next year il even sig bet that even thought i dont even have a 100 posts lol

sargon21
08-07-2010, 02:36 AM
brandon jennings is gross people...watch him be in the top 5 next year il even sig bet that even thought i dont even have a 100 posts lol

38% from the field...no thanks, i'd bet my life he's not top 5

MacFitz92
08-07-2010, 02:36 AM
Just because you can make an argument for someone to be rated a certain place, doesn't mean he should. Everyone has their opinion.

Jeff559
08-07-2010, 02:37 AM
TOny parker for now, i think wall evans and curry surpass him and a couple others on the list. I know wall hasnt played a game, but if derek fisher is on the list, then he should be too.

knicksfan23
08-07-2010, 02:43 AM
38% from the field...no thanks, i'd bet my life he's not top 5

il remeber this

Evolution23
08-07-2010, 05:33 AM
I'm insulted by you boldly casting Russell Westbrook as an automatic lock for the #7 spot.

It's pretty insane that you think a guy who hasn't made 1 all-star and has career averages of 40% FG, and 3+ turnovers and barely a 2:1 AST/TOV a game is an autolock in any top 10 PG list. That's rather hilarious. I haven't answered the poll at all out of a feeling of disrespect.

And this is coming from a big fan of Westbrook.

Agreed 100%

NBA-GMaster
08-07-2010, 06:38 AM
Aaron Brooks!! He deserves to be in top 10.. The MIP of the year..

mjqusoldier
08-07-2010, 07:24 AM
Raymond Felton in D'antoni system

GraphiiC
08-07-2010, 07:30 AM
1) Steve Nash
2) Chauncey Billups
3) Chris Paul
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Stephen Curry
10) Jason Kidd

knicksfan23
08-07-2010, 09:20 AM
1) Steve Nash
2) Chauncey Billups
3) Chris Paul
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Stephen Curry
10) Jason Kidd

no deron willams are you insane bro

xbrackattackx
08-07-2010, 10:19 AM
1) Steve Nash
2) Chauncey Billups
3) Chris Paul
4) Tony Parker
5) Steve Nash
6) Derrick Rose
7) Devin Harris
8) Rajon Rondo
9) Stephen Curry
10) Jason Kidd



No D-will and Rose higher than Rondo and Kidd just at 10 IMO he should have been above Curry and Harris. But it's your list man so its all good.

xbrackattackx
08-07-2010, 10:21 AM
Parker should have been 7 with Westbrook at 8 IMO then Kidd at 9 and 10 can be Jeening/Reke/Curry doesnt matter cause all 3 will either move way up this season or down.

AddiX
08-07-2010, 10:25 AM
Parker should be top 5, you guys are nuts. The guy is a PG who consistently leads the league or is among the top in points in the paint.

Do you realize how valuable that is? He breaks a defense down at will. That is a flat out crazy stat.

RadiantShot
08-07-2010, 02:02 PM
1. T.J. Ford
2. Stephen Curry
3. Mo Williams
4. Marco Bellynelly
5. Jose Calderon
6. Jason Williams
7. Carlos Arroyo
8. Earl Boykins
9. Ty Lawson
10. Tyrique Evenz

td0tsfinest
08-07-2010, 03:41 PM
1. T.J. Ford
2. Stephen Curry
3. Mo Williams
4. Marco Bellynelly
5. Jose Calderon
6. Jason Williams
7. Carlos Arroyo
8. Earl Boykins
9. Ty Lawson
10. Tyrique Evenz

This is preposterous, Bellineli is not a PG.

IversonIsKrazy
08-08-2010, 04:20 PM
Tony Parker should be much higher. Anyways, whens the #9 poll going to start