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Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:13 PM
hey guys, ive been looking at some stats, nd i have determined that greg oden will be a better player than dwight howard, if he stays healthy of course

here are the facts to put behind my claim:

Dwight howard: 09-10 stats:

18 PPG, 13 REBS 2.8 blocks 61% fg 35 minutes in 82 games

greg oden:

11 ppg 8.5 rebounds 2.3 blocks 60% fg in 23 minutes in 22 games

so greg oden plays 23 minutes a game( which he probably will do again this season under camby) he averages 7 less points less than dwight howard, and about 5.5 less rebs, and averages almost the same amount of blocks

i know that he is often injured but look at this:

oden has less of a post game than dwight howard, and he still scores 11 points. he isnt as athletic as d12 and he still gets 8.5 rebounds. and if he played howards minutes, i guarenttee that he would average more blocks than d12

so what do you think?

i believe in 3 years, when oden gets his chance to start( camby will likely either be on the bench or retired) he will be very close to dwight howard, if not probably better.

and he probably will average more points than him too, considering that he has even less of a post game than d12 and he still puts up 11 pts in 23 mins

thoughts?

MacFitz92
08-03-2010, 04:14 PM
:facepalm:

TheGsw
08-03-2010, 04:15 PM
Its possible. lol

MacFitz92
08-03-2010, 04:15 PM
In essence, your saying a center who hasn't been healthy since he came in the league 3 years ag, will be better than the best center in the league.

:pity:

Jays Claw
08-03-2010, 04:16 PM
You need to stop making stupid threads that'll have absolutely no constructive conversations. :facepalm:

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:17 PM
In essence, your saying a center who hasn't been healthy since he came in the league 3 years ag, will be better than the best center in the league.

:pity:
barring injury

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 04:17 PM
Oden needs to play a season before we give him a single prop. Dwight has been healthy his whole career, because he trains his body to an extreme. Until Oden makes this commitment, there will never be anything to compare

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:17 PM
You need to stop making stupid threads that'll have absolutely no constructive conversations. :facepalm:
and how isnt this constructive ?

Jewelz0376
08-03-2010, 04:18 PM
one of the dumbest threads I've ever read in here

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:18 PM
Oden needs to play a season before we give him a single prop. Dwight has been healthy his whole career, because he trains his body to an extreme. Until Oden makes this commitment, there will never be anything to compare
barring injury as i said, his stats dont lie

Jays Claw
08-03-2010, 04:20 PM
How isn't this constructive?

There is no discussion here.

Everyone on here will either bash you for making this comparison or disagree with your initial post.

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 04:21 PM
barring injury as i said, his stats dont lie

what ifs are fun, aren't they?

Look, there is a reason Oden went #1 dude. EVERYONE knows if the man could stay healthy, he could be a stud. Nobody is questioning that. But the timing of this thread is kinda out there. Oden has proved nothing yet, except he could go down as an all time what if player.
Until Oden plays a full season, and plays a lot of minutes, there is no comparison
Games played, and minutes played are the only stat important here. Doing per 36 mpg projections of Oden are not valid, because his body has not shown the ability to handle anything past a college season so far.

ChiSox219
08-03-2010, 04:21 PM
Health issues aside----

Oden and Dwight are both great rebounders and defenders.

Both are able to score efficiency but don't have advanced offensive moves.


Biggest difference (besides health history) is the amount each gets to the line. If Oden gets to the line more often (which I believe he will if he stays healthy) he'll make a lot more than 59% of his FTs and he could end up scoring at a similar rate to Howard.


I'm still on the Oden bandwagon, I think he'll be an awesome player if he can recover and stay reasonably healthy.

mikealike305
08-03-2010, 04:21 PM
no.... period... if u think in 3 years he'lbe better than close this thread... reoen in 3 years so we can all still tell u no

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:22 PM
You can't compare their minutes played. Simply because Oden is always in foul trouble (even more than Dwight).

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:23 PM
There is no discussion here.

Everyone on here will either bash you for making this comparison or disagree with your initial post.
so why not discuss the facts that i have posted instead of saying "hey you are dumb"?

this is an OPEN FORUM, not just:

DWIGHT IS BETTER- the end

^ thats how ppl here operate, they dont actually debate, its pretty stupid

ChiSox219
08-03-2010, 04:23 PM
Oden needs to play a season before we give him a single prop. Dwight has been healthy his whole career, because he trains his body to an extreme. Until Oden makes this commitment, there will never be anything to compare

How do you train to avoid a fractured Patella?

Russell_Roberts
08-03-2010, 04:24 PM
you forgot on the poll... greg oden will quit playing ball. due to injuries.. <---1 vote

Avenged
08-03-2010, 04:24 PM
Wow... :bang:

Khalifa21
08-03-2010, 04:24 PM
I love Oden, but the guy needs to prove he can play a full season in the league before people start throwing out crazy accusations that he could be better than the current best center in the league.

ClayMatthews
08-03-2010, 04:25 PM
No he won't. End of discussion. I have a bettet chance winning the lottery.

D Roses Bulls
08-03-2010, 04:25 PM
hey guys, ive been looking at some stats, nd i have determined that greg oden will be a better player than dwight howard, if he stays healthy of course

here are the facts to put behind my claim:

Dwight howard: 09-10 stats:

18 PPG, 13 REBS 2.8 blocks 61% fg 35 minutes in 82 games

greg oden:

11 ppg 8.5 rebounds 2.3 blocks 60% fg in 23 minutes in 22 games

so greg oden plays 23 minutes a game( which he probably will do again this season under camby) he averages 7 less points less than dwight howard, and about 5.5 less rebs, and averages almost the same amount of blocks

i know that he is often injured but look at this:

oden has less of a post game than dwight howard, and he still scores 11 points. he isnt as athletic as d12 and he still gets 8.5 rebounds. and if he played howards minutes, i guarenttee that he would average more blocks than d12

so what do you think?

i believe in 3 years, when oden gets his chance to start( camby will likely either be on the bench or retired) he will be very close to dwight howard, if not probably better.

and he probably will average more points than him too, considering that he has even less of a post game than d12 and he still puts up 11 pts in 23 mins

thoughts?

:facepalm: no please stop..... ive been saying since oden got drafted he will be no good. he isn't really productive when he does play and never will be close to dwight.

tredigs
08-03-2010, 04:26 PM
I've looked at his game and all of these stats (plus some others) a lot and I do agree with the guy that Greg Oden has THE POTENTIAL to be the most dominant player (well, center at least) in the league were he to remain healthy. Although that said, his multiple surgeries and time off of the court may have already set him too far back to ever reach that potential.

But the bottom line is that he hasn't. It's no secret that when he was drafted (ahead of Durant, who everyone was positive was going to be a huge star), that his potential was absolutely huge - he was billed as the next "once a generation" center. Now he just has to get out there and prove if can do it. Big if.

Jaji
08-03-2010, 04:27 PM
Oden doesn't completely suck but he can't stay on the floor. What good is he if he can't play? That's his issue. Staying healthy. He hasn't been able to do it for 3 years. He's still young but he has proven to be fragile.

Catfish1314
08-03-2010, 04:29 PM
The potenial was obviously there but look at two things:

Oden has played in 82 out of 246 regular season games in 3 years. It's taken him 3 years to play the equivalent of a full season.

Dwight Howard, meanwhile, has proven to be among the most durable players in the league. Since he came into the NBA, he has missed a whopping 3 regular season games.

And most importantly, Oden is 22 and Howard is 24. It's not like Oden has leagues more potential than Dwight anyway. Right now, the only thing Oden has over Howard is his great hands.

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:31 PM
If you gave Oden 32 mins a game he would foul out half of them. According to NBA.com: Greg Oden's FPG was 4.0 in 23.9 minutes. Thats a lot of fouls for that little amount of time. Give him Dwight Howard minutes and he would be in foul trouble for a lot of the game.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:31 PM
I've looked at his game and all of these stats (plus some others) a lot and I do agree with the guy that Greg Oden has THE POTENTIAL to be the most dominant player (well, center at least) in the league were he to remain healthy. Although that said, his multiple surgeries and time off of the court may have already set him too far back to ever reach that potential.

But the bottom line is that he hasn't. It's no secret that when he was drafted (ahead of Durant, who everyone was positive was going to be a huge star), that his potential was absolutely huge - he was billed as the next "once a generation" center. Now he just has to get out there and prove if can do it. Big if.
yea, but atleast he got in 22 games last year, lol, i mean look at shaq, he barely played 82 games in most of the seasons in his career. i mean come on! alot of centers these days dont play all 82, but are stilll considered great

if oden makes it to 65 games this year, i will call it a success

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:32 PM
If you gave Oden 32 mins a game he would foul out half of them. According to NBA.com: Greg Oden's FPG was 4.0 in 23.9 minutes. Thats a lot of fouls for that little amount of time. Give him Dwight Howard minutes and he would be in foul trouble for a lot of the game.
he is still young you know, he is very raw

give him 3 more years and he will be close to dwight

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:33 PM
Basically what im trying to say is: give oden 3 more years, if healthy, he will be very close or better than dwight howard.

that is if dwight doesnt magically develop an offensive game, which i dont expect him too, but i dont think he needs it, he is a defensive specialist, he shld just focus on that end of the floor

srfr4life
08-03-2010, 04:34 PM
If and when Oden gets healthy for a whole season, I'm still skeptical. He may be on his way to just as good stats as Dwight, but can he keep up those stats through an entire game?

I think Dwight's physique is the overall difference.

I'll tell you what, they will make for an exciting match up! Looking forward to it.

The Ooh Child
08-03-2010, 04:34 PM
I love when the first reply in a thread is a face palm

RollinDeep
08-03-2010, 04:35 PM
No.

tmacsc2
08-03-2010, 04:35 PM
Its possible but it wont happen the dude is a glass human.....and he gets in foul trouble way to easily

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:37 PM
:laugh2:

if Javale Mcgee played 36 minutes he'd lead the league in bpg with 3.8 and be better than both

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:37 PM
everyone who says oden is in foul trouble, remember that he has barely played in the nba, i mean relax, he is still young.

basically the way i look at it, he is still a rookie, he hasnt gotten to play and he is raw and is still putting up great numbers

give him 3 more years and we wont be having this discussion

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:38 PM
has Oden even lived three years in good health?

scutch11
08-03-2010, 04:38 PM
i shouldve realized this was gonna be a dumb thread by looking at your sig

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:38 PM
no he wouldnt, he lacks a physical body, an offensive game, but he would average neat 3 blks tho

scutch11
08-03-2010, 04:39 PM
everyone who says oden is in foul trouble, remember that he has barely played in the nba, i mean relax, he is still young.

basically the way i look at it, he is still a rookie, he hasnt gotten to play and he is raw and is still putting up great numbers

give him 3 more years and we wont be having this discussion

yea we wont be having this discussion because dwight will STILL be getting better and be dominant, while oden wont yet have put a full season together

Russell_Roberts
08-03-2010, 04:40 PM
even if he does get better like ol buddy said he played 1 season worth of games and hes been here for 3 years. itll take dude another 3 or so years to reach his full potential im not saying he would get injured but it is a high chance that may happen again. but you cannot make that judgement on howard. because of the points he make. u have all types of shooters in orlando.. if you took a shooter like lewis out he probably would make like 24 and 15 a game. but to keep it as is.. if i had to choose howard

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:40 PM
no he wouldnt, he lacks a physical body, an offensive game, but he would average neat 3 blks tho


2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4

McGee's stats. clearly you're wrong.

DODGERS&LAKERS
08-03-2010, 04:41 PM
Is this GREGODEN#1 reincarnated? Somebody check his IP address

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:41 PM
yea we wont be having this discussion because dwight will STILL be getting better and be dominant, while oden wont yet have put a full season together
thats just u being a hater, look at this without ur bias

as i said, look at shaq's stats, when was the last time he played all 82???

yea

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:42 PM
even if he does get better like ol buddy said he played 1 season worth of games and hes been here for 3 years. itll take dude another 3 or so years to reach his full potential im not saying he would get injured but it is a high chance that may happen again. but you cannot make that judgement on howard. because of the points he make. u have all types of shooters in orlando.. if you took a shooter like lewis out he probably would make like 24 and 15 a game. but to keep it as is.. if i had to choose howard
lmao 24 nd 15

who do u think he is ? shaq with the magic?

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:43 PM
someone please give me a dominant center who's only played 23 games in his first 3 years as a pro?

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:43 PM
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4

McGee's stats. clearly you're wrong.
when ppl can actually fighre out wth is in that box there and how to accurately read it, then you can talk about mcgee

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Is this GREGODEN#1 reincarnated? Somebody check his IP address
so i make one post about greg oden and all of a sudden im another poster????

what

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:45 PM
someone please give me a dominant center who's only played 23 games in his first 3 years as a pro?
lol

gbrl
08-03-2010, 04:45 PM
you say he will be better but you vote he will be close anyways if he can stay healthy he can be a top 10 center imo

JonnyBrav000
08-03-2010, 04:46 PM
hey guys, ive been looking at some stats, nd i have determined that greg oden will be a better player than dwight howard, if he stays healthy of course

here are the facts to put behind my claim:

Dwight howard: 09-10 stats:

18 PPG, 13 REBS 2.8 blocks 61% fg 35 minutes in 82 games

greg oden:

11 ppg 8.5 rebounds 2.3 blocks 60% fg in 23 minutes in 22 games

so greg oden plays 23 minutes a game( which he probably will do again this season under camby) he averages 7 less points less than dwight howard, and about 5.5 less rebs, and averages almost the same amount of blocks

i know that he is often injured but look at this:

oden has less of a post game than dwight howard, and he still scores 11 points. he isnt as athletic as d12 and he still gets 8.5 rebounds. and if he played howards minutes, i guarenttee that he would average more blocks than d12

so what do you think?

i believe in 3 years, when oden gets his chance to start( camby will likely either be on the bench or retired) he will be very close to dwight howard, if not probably better.

and he probably will average more points than him too, considering that he has even less of a post game than d12 and he still puts up 11 pts in 23 mins

thoughts?


Okay this is stupid, so your reasoning for this is because Oden plays less minutes LOL.

First of all Oden is injury prone, and second of all, just because you play more minutes doesn't mean the production will be there. When some guys play more, they play worse because they are tired, especially big guys. So just because he plays 12 or 13 minutes less per game does not mean he will be more effective if he played more. Yes, he may get an extra rebound or two, or a few more points, but he may also miss many more shots, play less defense, run up the court slower and hurt his team. This guy cannot stay healthy and you are talking about him playing more minutes??? The only thing I see improving about Oden if he plays more, are his chances of getting injured, and that is already high enough.

To conclude, no way does Oden ever exceed Dwight Howard. I like Oden, but so many injuries are also going to affect his development, so his potential just shrinks the more he gets injured and he will only lose more and more athleticism over time and such. No chance guy. This has got to be one of the worst thread ideas ever hahahaha.

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:47 PM
when ppl can actually fighre out wth is in that box there and how to accurately read it, then you can talk about mcgee

PER 36 MINUTES


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 21 WAS NBA 75 14 1143 6.0 12.2 .494 0.0 0.0 3.4 5.1 .660 3.8 5.5 9.3 0.7 1.0 2.4 1.9 4.9 15.4
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4
Career NBA 135 33 2111 5.9 11.8 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 3.1 4.7 .651 3.5 5.6 9.2 0.6 0.8 3.0 1.9 4.7 14.9

when you figure out how to spell correctly people might take you seriously.

DODGERS&LAKERS
08-03-2010, 04:47 PM
so i make one post about greg oden and all of a sudden im another poster????

what

Only he would have made an outlandish thread as this. Greg Oden cant stay on the floor. He is a foul machine because he has a low basketball IQ. He reaches and does not move his feet well. And if Dwight were on the Blazers, there is no way Camby is stealing minutes away from him.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
you say he will be better but you vote he will be close anyways if he can stay healthy he can be a top 10 center imo
yea caus after i made the title, i remembered that by a miracle of God d12 may actually one day get a legitimate offensive game

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
PER 36 MINUTES


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 21 WAS NBA 75 14 1143 6.0 12.2 .494 0.0 0.0 3.4 5.1 .660 3.8 5.5 9.3 0.7 1.0 2.4 1.9 4.9 15.4
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4
Career NBA 135 33 2111 5.9 11.8 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 3.1 4.7 .651 3.5 5.6 9.2 0.6 0.8 3.0 1.9 4.7 14.9

when you figure out how to spell correctly people might take you seriously.
oh im sorry, i forgot to use the spell check like everyone else uses

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
How do you train to avoid a fractured Patella?

fair enough. But part of avoiding injury is building muscles and tendons to absorb the movements that may hurt others.
Hence, Dwight never being hurt. The dudes body allows him to land in weird stances, take hits, etc.

Jays Claw
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
Why not discuss the facts that I've posted?

Sorry, I failed to find any factual information in your initial post. All you did was put up statistics that showed performances per 36 minutes.

I for one agree that at this point in time you can't compare the two players. However, since you're going to, let's look at more important statistics.


Career statistics:

Greg Oden (Offensively) - {19.7 USG%, 19.5 PER, .613 TS%, 58% FG, 67% FT, 117 ORtg, 3.8 OWS & 6.8 WS}

Dwight Howard (Offensively) - {22.6 USG%, 21.7 PER, .603 TS%, 58% FG, 60% FT, 111 ORtg, 30.5 OWS & 65.4 WS}

As you can see, Dwight Howard (as of now) has more impact offensively. Also, I didn't wish to show you the defensive statistics because you'd be quite embarassed.

From what I read, you stated that Greg Oden will improve his game and be better than Dwight Howard in three years. Which is your opinion, but do you not think Dwight Howard will improve his game along the way as well?

To base your opinion on the future is a complete wash. For all we know, Dwight Howard and Greg Oden will leave the league to go bake cakes at a bakery.

Russell_Roberts
08-03-2010, 04:48 PM
lmao 24 nd 15

who do u think he is ? shaq with the magic?6 more points and 2 rebounds if lewis wasnt on the team:eyebrow:

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:49 PM
PER 36 MINUTES


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 21 WAS NBA 75 14 1143 6.0 12.2 .494 0.0 0.0 3.4 5.1 .660 3.8 5.5 9.3 0.7 1.0 2.4 1.9 4.9 15.4
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4
Career NBA 135 33 2111 5.9 11.8 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 3.1 4.7 .651 3.5 5.6 9.2 0.6 0.8 3.0 1.9 4.7 14.9

when you figure out how to spell correctly people might take you seriously.
how many mpg?

Russell_Roberts
08-03-2010, 04:50 PM
an dits funny how pepople talley their stats up when howard played ball longer in the nba than oden

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:50 PM
Deleted post

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:50 PM
yea caus after i made the title, i remembered that by a miracle of God d12 may actually one day get a legitimate offensive game

and maybe by the miracle of your God Greg Oden will be able to play half of a season.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:51 PM
6 more points and 2 rebounds if lewis wasnt on the team:eyebrow:
so they would magically go to dwight howard rather than lewis's replacement

nice logic

LTS
08-03-2010, 04:52 PM
NO No no nO

SupeUnagi
08-03-2010, 04:52 PM
yea, but atleast he got in 22 games last year, lol, i mean look at shaq, he barely played 82 games in most of the seasons in his career. i mean come on! alot of centers these days dont play all 82, but are stilll considered great

if oden makes it to 65 games this year, i will call it a success

because shaq was just that dominant

you dont need to play all 82 games when you put up 30ppg at center with a young, ballhogging guard

forget about the 13 boards and 4 blocks per game
oden will not be, nor will he ever be that dominant

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:52 PM
Please tell us what the all the numbers on the bar actually mean. I can figure GP and GS and PPG but thats about it.

here you go. per 36 minutes stats.


PER 36 MINUTES


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 21 WAS NBA 75 14 1143 6.0 12.2 .494 0.0 0.0 3.4 5.1 .660 3.8 5.5 9.3 0.7 1.0 2.4 1.9 4.9 15.4
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4
Career NBA 135 33 2111 5.9 11.8 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 3.1 4.7 .651 3.5 5.6 9.2 0.6 0.8 3.0 1.9 4.7 14.9

when you figure out how to spell correctly people might take you seriously.


how many mpg?

did you not read the first three words of the post?

NYYCowboys
08-03-2010, 04:53 PM
:facepalm:

RadiantShot
08-03-2010, 04:53 PM
:laugh:.
You are so, so sad.
One thread about how Orlando isn't a title contender, and now a thread about why Greg Oden WILL...Be better than Dwight? What are you smoking, my friend? By the way, everything in your sig, I agree with, for the most part, besides the Dallas title contender statement. Haha. That's all.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:53 PM
and maybe by the miracle of your God Greg Oden will be able to play half of a season.
barring injury, it is possible

why are you in denial

barring injury, if greg oden played an 82 game season, at 35 mins per game, he would get around the same rebs, and probably more blocks

mabye less points now that i think of it, because oden has alderige

and d12 has????hmmmmmmmm brandon bass

mikealike305
08-03-2010, 04:53 PM
someone please give me a dominant center who's only played 23 games in his first 3 years as a pro?

greg oden lol oh wait.... U said dominant... No no one lol

LTS
08-03-2010, 04:53 PM
so they would magically go to dwight howard rather than lewis's replacement

nice logic

I have something else for your anything else signature

kingdre619 should stop making threads

lakersfan01
08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
Dwight Howard is and always will be better. He's proved he can play entire grueling seasons.

Russell_Roberts
08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
so they would magically go to dwight howard rather than lewis's replacement

nice logic

thanks man thats what i am here for.

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
If Oden was 100% healthy he could easily catch up to Dwight. Hes younger than Dwight (however he may look) and could develop a more polished off. game. Health is the only issue here and I seriously don't think he will ever be 100% healthy. For starters one of his legs are shorter than the other one, which could lead to more injuries if he lands funny (Proof: LINK (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?id=3683493))

RadiantShot
08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
We should get Chronz in here to whip up on this guy.

tredigs
08-03-2010, 04:54 PM
PER 36 MINUTES


Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2008-09 21 WAS NBA 75 14 1143 6.0 12.2 .494 0.0 0.0 3.4 5.1 .660 3.8 5.5 9.3 0.7 1.0 2.4 1.9 4.9 15.4
2009-10 22 WAS NBA 60 19 968 5.8 11.4 .508 0.0 0.0 .000 2.8 4.3 .638 3.3 5.8 9.0 0.5 0.6 3.8 1.9 4.5 14.4
Career NBA 135 33 2111 5.9 11.8 .500 0.0 0.0 .000 3.1 4.7 .651 3.5 5.6 9.2 0.6 0.8 3.0 1.9 4.7 14.9

when you figure out how to spell correctly people might take you seriously.

Even "Per 36 minutes", those numbers aren't good other than his bpg. I picked up McGee on my fantasy squad late last year and watched 10 or 15 Wizards games. He is raw, and weak defensively when it comes to post play. But every once in a while he comes up with some offensive move that you go "WTF did that come from??", so the potential is there (and is probably a reason why Team USA had him in the final 20), but a .500 fg% from a 7 foot center who doesn't take many shots is pretty weak, he's going to have to work on that (he did kill it in summer league w/ a .688 on 20 a game... but that's summer league).

But his help side blocking is pretty ridiculous and I do think he'll lead the league in blocks this season if he plays 30+ a game as the starting C. His game needed a lot of refinement though (I can't tell you how many ridiculous shots he takes), so we'll have to wait and see on that one.

mikealike305
08-03-2010, 04:55 PM
To be honest i cant believe this thread is still open lol

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:55 PM
because shaq was just that dominant

you dont need to play all 82 games when you put up 30ppg at center with a young, ballhogging guard

forget about the 13 boards and 4 blocks per game
oden will not be, nor will he ever be that dominant

shut up

and he will be a dominant defender, he has camby to teach him a bit too, so that shld help

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:56 PM
6 more points and 2 rebounds if lewis wasnt on the team:eyebrow:

By that logic, if you replaced every starter on the Magic, Dwights numbers would go up by 20 points, 15 assists etc.

RadiantShot
08-03-2010, 04:56 PM
Because Camby is Dwight Howard, right Kingdre?

lakersfan01
08-03-2010, 04:56 PM
The poll tells it all. LOL

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
barring injury, it is possible

why are you in denial

barring injury, if greg oden played an 82 game season, at 35 mins per game, he would get around the same rebs, and probably more blocks

mabye less points now that i think of it, because oden has alderige

and d12 has????hmmmmmmmm brandon bass

:laugh2:

this guy hasn't avoided injuries since middle school so what divine miracle will stop the cycle? seems like someone else is in denial.

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
shut up

and he will be a dominant defender, he has camby to teach him a bit too, so that shld help

It would be nice if you didn't tell that guy to shut up since you're the one who opened the thread to discuss with other people.

blazerman
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
First GO has to prove he can stay healthy before things turn around for him in the way he's viewed. As a Blazerfan it is very hard to see your #1 pick go down 2 out of 3 seasons with injuries. The dude looks like a beast but his bones are as soft as an infants.

D Howard is proven and productive night in night out, so really nothing to argue here until GO can show us he's past the injuries for the most part. Skills are there for GO but the on court PT is not.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:57 PM
agreed

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:58 PM
I have something else for your anything else signature

kingdre619 should stop making threads

insightful post

JIDsanity
08-03-2010, 04:58 PM
Doing that for 23 games is nothing compared to Dwight's 82 games. More min do not translate to more production. This thread sucks

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 04:59 PM
It would be nice if you didn't tell that guy to shut up since you're the one who opened the thread to discuss with other people.

nah, just on that kobe comment, dats wat i said shut up for

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 04:59 PM
We should get Chronz in here to whip up on this guy.

or we could Radi :love:

tredigs
08-03-2010, 05:01 PM
Because Camby is Dwight Howard, right Kingdre?

Huh? We're talking about a former DPOY and one of the best rebounders/shot-blockers of the last decade.

There is no better center in the league to learn under than Marcus Camby. World class defender/shot-blocker/rebounder who probably has the highest basketball IQ of any big in the league. Plus, he can probably tell him a thing or two about dealing with injuries ;]. It's an ideal situation for Oden.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:01 PM
he rebounds like him, and averages virtuyally the same amount of blocks

but doesnt have the same impact on the game

SupeUnagi
08-03-2010, 05:01 PM
shut up

and he will be a dominant defender, he has camby to teach him a bit too, so that shld help

:laugh2:

JIDsanity
08-03-2010, 05:02 PM
he rebounds like him, and averages virtuyally the same amount of blocks

but doesnt have the same impact on the game

I think you just answered your own question.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:02 PM
Sorry, I failed to find any factual information in your initial post. All you did was put up statistics that showed performances per 36 minutes.

I for one agree that at this point in time you can't compare the two players. However, since you're going to, let's look at more important statistics.


Career statistics:

Greg Oden (Offensively) - {19.7 USG%, 19.5 PER, .613 TS%, 58% FG, 67% FT, 117 ORtg, 3.8 OWS & 6.8 WS}

Dwight Howard (Offensively) - {22.6 USG%, 21.7 PER, .603 TS%, 58% FG, 60% FT, 111 ORtg, 30.5 OWS & 65.4 WS}

As you can see, Dwight Howard (as of now) has more impact offensively. Also, I didn't wish to show you the defensive statistics because you'd be quite embarassed.

From what I read, you stated that Greg Oden will improve his game and be better than Dwight Howard in three years. Which is your opinion, but do you not think Dwight Howard will improve his game along the way as well?

To base your opinion on the future is a complete wash. For all we know, Dwight Howard and Greg Oden will leave the league to go bake cakes at a bakery.
as i said, oden is RAW

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:03 PM
You need to stop making stupid threads that'll have absolutely no constructive conversations. :facepalm:

this

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:04 PM
oden has a bigger body than camby tho, so when oden gets better, as i said he can be close to howard, and have a simular impact on the game that howard does

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:05 PM
this
maybe i should make a thread as to why the heat wont win a title until 2011 at the earliest

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:05 PM
8 ppl agree with me, so thats a positive result!

lakersfan01
08-03-2010, 05:06 PM
It's too bad Blazers passed up on Kevin Durant for Greg Oden, who they knew before drafting him that he had one leg shorter than the other! I couldn't believe it when they still drafted Oden #1 overall. Its like passing on MJ all over again. That has to be painful as a fan of the team.

John Walls Era
08-03-2010, 05:06 PM
maybe i should make a thread as to why the heat wont win a title until 2011 at the earliest

Make a blog instead thats what its for.

kEviN21
08-03-2010, 05:06 PM
Oden has weak knees he'll wear down by game 50

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Demarcus Cousins already >>> Oden

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Oden has weak knees he'll wear down by game 50
really? i didn't know you were his doctor

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:08 PM
Dwight's impact is not just on stats. Players alter their shot due to him being in the lane.

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 05:08 PM
how is this even an argument until Oden plays 75+ games? I could care less if he went for 40/20. If he plays 22 games a year, and Dwight gives me 20/14 and plays all 82 and playoffs, guess who I take????
BAD TIMING on this thread

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:09 PM
Demarcus Cousins already >>> Oden
wow

....wow, i just dont know what to say but wow

smh

i guess jason collins is too

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:09 PM
how is this even an argument until Oden plays 75+ games? I could care less if he went for 40/20. If he plays 22 games a year, and Dwight gives me 20/14 and plays all 82 and playoffs, guess who I take????
BAD TIMING on this thread
its good timing, caus 10-11 is oden's chance to prove his doubters wrong

cmellofan15
08-03-2010, 05:10 PM
wow

....wow, i just dont know what to say but wow

smh

i guess jason collins is too

Jason Collins isn't raw bro.

lakersfan01
08-03-2010, 05:10 PM
Demarcus Cousins already >>> Oden

Agree. He's probably better than my man Bynum too, unfortunately. Cousins will be a beast because he is mean as ****.

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 05:11 PM
its good timing, caus 10-11 is oden's chance to prove his doubters wrong

then let him prove it. That isn't your job. He has proved he has unlimited potential, and a fragile body. Bout it so far.

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:11 PM
maybe i should make a thread as to why the heat wont win a title until 2011 at the earliest

Dude, I'm guessing you mean the 2011-2012 season because the next championship is in 2011.:facepalm:

midwestmadman
08-03-2010, 05:11 PM
You could make the same arguement for virtually any C based on minutes played. Nzar Mohammed per 40 minutes could average 13 rbs and 19 ppg. There are reasons why those players don't get the minutes one they aren't very good, or two they are always injured. In Greg's case the issue is that he is not very good and that he is made of glass.

cubsofchicago
08-03-2010, 05:11 PM
so why not discuss the facts that i have posted instead of saying "hey you are dumb"?

this is an OPEN FORUM, not just:

DWIGHT IS BETTER- the end

^ thats how ppl here operate, they dont actually debate, its pretty stupid

what if aren't exactly facts so we aren't really discussing anything other than your opinion which will not change... thats why its pointless and for a lack of a better word "dumb"

GeekInThePink
08-03-2010, 05:11 PM
no.... period... if u think in 3 years he'lbe better than close this thread... reoen in 3 years so we can all still tell u no

What???

nolin
08-03-2010, 05:12 PM
and how isnt this constructive ?

You are the perfect example of why kids should say no to drugs.:smoking:

midwestmadman
08-03-2010, 05:13 PM
also Dwights numbers last year were down in almost every stat.

midwestmadman
08-03-2010, 05:14 PM
Dude, I'm guessing you mean the 2011-2012 season because the next championship is in 2011.:facepalm:

:clap: very funny, and infact true! :clap:

but I still hate the whole team in Miami :mad:

nearyG
08-03-2010, 05:15 PM
hey poster...guess what...ur stupid

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:15 PM
You are the perfect example of why kids should say no to drugs.:smoking:

lmao

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 05:15 PM
You could make the same arguement for virtually any C based on minutes played. Nzar Mohammed per 40 minutes could average 13 rbs and 19 ppg. There are reasons why those players don't get the minutes one they aren't very good, or two they are always injured. In Greg's case the issue is that he is not very good and that he is made of glass.


this is a good point. IF Oden could stay healthy, maybe they would play him 36 mpg. But he can't. He has been hurt every year. Great kid, its sad really. He is young, but big men who continue to get hurt early in their careers don't usually fair well. I really hope he stays healthy this season, and we can see what the kid can do over a sustained period of time. But I fear he will be a guy who gets limited minutes throughout his career, and you will get people like the creator of this thread, who don't understand its not as simple as taking per game numbers out the 36 mpg, against a guy who doesn't miss games, and DOES play 36 mpg on 7' knees.
Oden was taken #1 for a reason. But his body has not shown the ability to sustain NBA wear and tear, even at a young age. He may turn it around, he may not. I will take the sure thing in Dwight any day of the week personally.

Hareeshan
08-03-2010, 05:16 PM
From what I've read, Jays Claw & Hawkeye15 are > thread

GeekInThePink
08-03-2010, 05:16 PM
hey poster...guess what...ur stupid

:facepalm:

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:17 PM
:clap: very funny, and infact true! :clap:

but I still hate the whole team in Miami :mad:

haters gonna hate:D

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:17 PM
Agree. He's probably better than my man Bynum too, unfortunately. Cousins will be a beast because he is mean as ****.
explain to me how a player who hasnt played an nba game as yet is better than bynum and oden???

ayeee this forum irks me sometimes, so many foolish comments, but i like it here tho, its fun to point out things and have people go crazy

Hareeshan
08-03-2010, 05:18 PM
From what I've read, Jays Claw & Hawkeye15 are > thread

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:18 PM
Dude, I'm guessing you mean the 2011-2012 season because the next championship is in 2011.:facepalm:
yep, the 011-012 season,and they probably still wont win cause of one man:

Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:19 PM
explain to me how a player who hasnt played an nba game as yet is better than bynum and oden???

Finally, I agree with you on this point.

Hawkeye15
08-03-2010, 05:19 PM
explain to me how a player who hasnt played an nba game as yet is better than bynum and oden???

ayeee this forum irks me sometimes, so many foolish comments, but i like it here tho, its fun to point out things and have people go crazy

it was foolish of you to create a thread about a young center who has seen most of his career in a suit being better than Dwight Howard dude.
Cmon now. What did you expect when you created this? People to agree with you?

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:19 PM
hey poster...guess what...ur stupid
its funny how if that was me i would receive an infraction for that

right Kakaroach and Corey?

get to it

Brooklyn Mets
08-03-2010, 05:20 PM
Howard>Oden even if Oden played the same minutes
unfortunately Oden is more likely to get injured then become an AllStar

GeekInThePink
08-03-2010, 05:20 PM
explain to me how a player who hasnt played an nba game as yet is better than bynum and oden???

ayeee this forum irks me sometimes, so many foolish comments, but i like it here tho, its fun to point out things and have people go crazy

Give us a logical reason why a guy who doesn't even average 10/10 and is always going to be injured is going to be better then the best center in the league :facepalm:

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:20 PM
haters gonna hate:D
lol, ur prolly a bandwagon fan, like most heat "fans"

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:21 PM
yep, the 011-012 season,and they probably still wont win cause of one man:

Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Well Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, can't guard Wade and James.

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Give us a logical reason why a guy who doesn't even average 10/10 and is always going to be injured is going to be better then the best center in the league :facepalm:
do u not read???

i said barring injury madd times

Kingdre619
08-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Well Kobeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, can't guard Wade and James.
yea, thats why they have kobe nd artest :)

heattiltheend94
08-03-2010, 05:22 PM
lol, ur prolly a bandwagon fan, like most heat "fans"

Check when I joined.:facepalm:

JordansBulls
08-03-2010, 05:22 PM
Let Oden make an allstar team and be top 10 in MVP voting before we start threads like this.