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baseballguru3
07-29-2010, 08:39 PM
1: Webbs Sinker

2: Lincecums Change

3: Halladays cutter

4: Strasburgs fastball

5: Buehrles change up


What is your list?

doyerfan59
07-29-2010, 08:42 PM
How can you NOT include Wainrights curve and Mariano's cutter...

1. Mariano cutter
2. Wainwright curve
3. Lincecum changeup
4. Strasburg fastball
5. Padilla eepheus pitch :D :homer:

whitekimbo
07-29-2010, 08:44 PM
How can you NOT include Wainrights curve and Mariano's cutter...

1. Mariano cutter
2. Wainwright curve
3. Lincecum changeup
4. Strasburg fastball
5. Padilla eepheus pitch :D :homer:

i was thinking the EXACT same thing

Mr Haha
07-29-2010, 08:47 PM
umm.....RIVERA'S CUTTER? It's only the most important pitch of the last 20 years of baseball, and is nearly as effective now as ever. Sometimes the Yankee hate is well deserved, but in this case, it just goes too far.

Ragun
07-29-2010, 08:49 PM
mariano's cutter has to be a top 5 pitch.

i remember a couple of years ago when a bunch of the AL all-star pitchers were surrounding rivera while he was showing them how he throws his cutter...even doc was there.

Ian.
07-29-2010, 08:51 PM
Brandon League's splitter.

/thread.

(This is my same response in the last thread)

McPeak92
07-29-2010, 08:51 PM
Remember all the craze about Dice-ks gyro ball?

Zaunnie
07-29-2010, 08:52 PM
1. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
2. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
3. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
4. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
5. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.

j-bay
07-29-2010, 08:55 PM
what about wakefields knuckleball

SFGiants4life
07-29-2010, 08:55 PM
Last year Lincecum's change up was considered the best in baseball but this year it hasnt been AS effective, though it is still devistating

j-bay
07-29-2010, 08:57 PM
Remember all the craze about Dice-ks gyro ball?

it was sort of fake just a normal pitch just forgot the name of it i think it was a curve,change up,or a splitter

cambovenzi
07-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Mo's cutter
Wainwrights curve
and santana's change are missing from the list


also lol @ gyroball

homestarunner93
07-29-2010, 08:58 PM
Marmol's slider :drool:

baseballguru3
07-29-2010, 09:02 PM
I am absolutly shocked that nobody else except me has Webbs sinker on a top 5 pitches list....and yes I forgot about MR's cutter, def suppose to be on there.

El Hombre#5
07-29-2010, 09:02 PM
what about wakefields knuckleball

It's not that great anymore.

j-bay
07-29-2010, 09:05 PM
It's not that great anymore.

the stats prove it does
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Wakefield
he is tied with roger clemens on the red sox all time win list and has broke a few of clemens red sox records

Beltrans Mole
07-29-2010, 09:12 PM
Oliver Perez's Fastball LOLZZZ

DLEE4MVP
07-29-2010, 09:12 PM
How about Ubaldo's fastball at 98 with movement? Gotta be in there somewhere...Webb's sinker would have maybe been on there two years ago, but not right now it shouldn't be.

McPeak92
07-29-2010, 09:13 PM
I don't think there is a hitter in the league that can catch up to Jamie Moyers fastball.

Ian.
07-29-2010, 09:13 PM
Last year Lincecum's change up was considered the best in baseball but this year it hasnt been AS effective, though it is still devistating

That is actually incorrect. Brandon League's splitter was.

Yankee Clipper
07-29-2010, 09:13 PM
1. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
2. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
3. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
4. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.
5. Mariano Rivera's Cutter.

This.

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 09:15 PM
I am absolutly shocked that nobody else except me has Webbs sinker on a top 5 pitches list....and yes I forgot about MR's cutter, def suppose to be on there.

Why do you continue to make threads on this site whenever a random thought pops into your head???

On the other hand, finally a legit thread out of the 43,945 that you have created. Nobody says Webb's sinker because who really knows if they guy still has it? My list...

1. Wainwright Curveball
2. Rivera Cutter
3. Latos Change-up
4. Halladay Curveball
5. Sabathia Slider

baseballguru3
07-29-2010, 09:16 PM
How about Ubaldo's fastball at 98 with movement? Gotta be in there somewhere...Webb's sinker would have maybe been on there two years ago, but not right now it shouldn't be.

just because he isnt pitching now doesnt mean his sinker should be discounted.

Yendil
07-29-2010, 09:16 PM
Brandon League's splitter is the most missed pitch when swung at in all of baseball, anyone saying different has not done their research

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 09:17 PM
That is actually incorrect. Brandon League's splitter was.

How can Brandon League's splitter be considered the best change-up?

cambovenzi
07-29-2010, 09:19 PM
the stats prove it does
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Wakefield
he is tied with roger clemens on the red sox all time win list and has broke a few of clemens red sox records

Being on the red sox for 15 years does not mean his knuckler is a best pitch in baseball.

DLEE4MVP
07-29-2010, 09:19 PM
just because he isnt pitching now doesnt mean his sinker should be discounted.

Yes, it should because you asked what the best five pitches were right now...He is not currently pitching which leads me to believe it should be discounted...

SquirtReynolds
07-29-2010, 09:20 PM
Oswalt's curve, b****es!!!

flea
07-29-2010, 09:24 PM
This season:

1) Wainwright's curve
2) Price's slider
3) Mariano's cutter
4) Hudson's two-seamer
5) Lincecum's change


HM: Kershaw's curve

DLEE4MVP
07-29-2010, 09:25 PM
Josh Johnson's fastball should be mentioned too, pretty nasty imo...

northsider
07-29-2010, 09:26 PM
Marmol's slider has made grown men cry at night.

Zander 77
07-29-2010, 09:29 PM
No love for Papa Grande? More than half a season, and I still haven't seen someone come close to touching his splitter.

Still, I'd say best pitch has been Mo's cutter. Guy has the cutter of God on his side.

hugh1130
07-29-2010, 09:30 PM
I am kinda tired of the generic response of

1. Mo's cutter
2. Wainwrights Curve
3. My aces out pitch
4. my divisions rivals aces out pitch
5. some random comment about a spltter being a changeup

Yendil
07-29-2010, 09:33 PM
I am kinda tired of the generic response of

1. Mo's cutter
2. Wainwrights Curve
3. My aces out pitch
4. my divisions rivals aces out pitch
5. some random comment about a spltter being a changeup


No pitcher in baseball last year threw any pitch that generated a higher percentage of swings and misses (35%) than Brandon League's splitter/change did. Second best was Ryan Madson's changeup, at 30%.
.

bomber0104
07-29-2010, 09:33 PM
My perfect pitcher (Righty) would have

1- Mariano's cutter
2- Strasburg's fastball
3- Marmol's Slider
4- Wainwright's Curveball
5- Lincecum's changeup (last year)

My perfect pitcher (lefty) would have

1- Thornton's fastball
2- Liriano's Slider
3- Zito Curve
4- Romero's Changeup
5- Lester's cutter

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 09:33 PM
I am kinda tired of the generic response of

1. Mo's cutter
2. Wainwrights Curve
3. My aces out pitch
4. my divisions rivals aces out pitch
5. some random comment about a spltter being a changeup

Then stop reading, tool.

homie564
07-29-2010, 09:44 PM
zitos curve is probably in the top 5... that pitch is freking ridiculous.

1. Mariano's Cutter
2. Wainwright's curve
3. Zito's Curve
4. Lincecums Changeup
5. Marmol's Slider

BALLER71
07-29-2010, 09:48 PM
Josh Johnson's fastball?

cantstopthee
07-29-2010, 09:50 PM
verlanders fastball was rated the best by the players. end the fastball debate now.

NoQuarter
07-29-2010, 09:52 PM
RA Dickey's knuckleball?


Yeah, that's the homer in me. You guys have covered all the good stuff already so why the heck not.

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 09:57 PM
verlanders fastball was rated the best by the players. end the fastball debate now.

Calm down HOMER Simpson. I can name 3 national league pitchers with better fastballs...

Josh Johnson
Steven Strasburg
Ubaldo Jimenez

...end THAT.

Zmaster52
07-29-2010, 09:59 PM
RA Dickey's Knuckleball
Santana's changeup
Pelfrey's split finger changeup
Niese's Curveball
Takahashi's Screwball

Bearsfan54
07-29-2010, 10:11 PM
Marmols Slider

Close Thread/

cambovenzi
07-29-2010, 10:15 PM
Marmols Slider

Close Thread/

its a shame he can rarely aim the thing


over 6BB/9

theLgndKllr35
07-29-2010, 10:18 PM
League and Madson had two of the nastiest pitches in baseball last year if I do recall.

Throw in Mo's cutter, Wainwright's curve, and Ubaldo's heat and I'd say you have a list.

bklynny67
07-29-2010, 10:23 PM
1: Webbs Sinker

2: Lincecums Change

3: Halladays cutter

4: Strasburgs fastball

5: Buehrles change up


What is your list?

lol Buehrles change? there's several change ups that are much better.

and Webb? when was the last time we even saw that sinker? shouldnt we be naming current pitches, not top 5 pitches in the last 5 years.

1. Mariano's cutter
2. Wainwrights curve
3. Lincecums change
4. Strasburge's fastball
5. Santana's change

baseballguru3
07-29-2010, 10:30 PM
If Buehrle didnt have his change he's be a much much different pitcher....

Lloyd Christmas
07-29-2010, 10:34 PM
I keep trying to think of a guy who has a backup 2 seem fastball close to Maddux. Is there someone out there who comes close? I know Lowe hits that inside corner to lefties pretty well.

Bearsfan54
07-29-2010, 10:36 PM
If Buehrle didnt have his change he's be a much much different pitcher....

if marmol didnt have a slider hed be a different pitcher

defender4m
07-29-2010, 10:40 PM
1.Marriano Cutter
2.Strasburg Curveball
3.Ubaldo Fastball
4.Romero Changeup
5.Wainwright Curveball
i have might of missed some but these r the best ptches that i can think of

Ian.
07-29-2010, 10:45 PM
To whomever made the comment about Brandon League and his splitter...

Lincecum's is a change, League's is called a splitter and a change.

Redbull
07-29-2010, 10:50 PM
1. Wainwright's Curve
2. Rivera's Cutter
3. Santana's Changeup
4. Ubaldo's Fastball
5. King Felix's Slider

Zmaster52
07-29-2010, 10:58 PM
To whomever made the comment about Brandon League and his splitter...

Lincecum's is a change, League's is called a splitter and a change.

A Splangeup?

flea
07-29-2010, 11:34 PM
A splitter is a changeup. It's called a "split-fingered fastball" but that's just because that describes the grip. There are three essential, yet overlapping, types of pitches in baseball - fastballs, breaking balls, and changeups. Splits, circle changes, 3 finger grip changes, 4 finger grip changes, fork balls, and palm balls are all changeups.

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 11:49 PM
its a shame he can rarely aim the thing


over 6BB/9

Very true. I think in order for it to be a top 5 pitch in the league you should be able to control it and throw it for a strike whenever. Marmol can't do that. If he ever learned how to control it, he'd be a top 3 closer in the MLB.

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 11:52 PM
I keep trying to think of a guy who has a backup 2 seem fastball close to Maddux. Is there someone out there who comes close? I know Lowe hits that inside corner to lefties pretty well.

He's not playing anymore, but Bartolo Colon had a 2-seam fastball that JUMPED from the batter's box back to the plate. It was nasty.

bklynny67
07-29-2010, 11:54 PM
If Buehrle didnt have his change he's be a much much different pitcher....

if Santana didnt have a change up he would be different too..

if Strasburg never throws another fastball, he's gonna be a big bust...

lol what the hell kinda argument is that?

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 11:54 PM
To whomever made the comment about Brandon League and his splitter...

Lincecum's is a change, League's is called a splitter and a change.

You must not have ever pitched before. A splitter is not a change, it's just a splitter. Plain and simple.

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 11:57 PM
A splitter is a changeup. It's called a "split-fingered fastball" but that's just because that describes the grip. There are three essential, yet overlapping, types of pitches in baseball - fastballs, breaking balls, and changeups. Splits, circle changes, 3 finger grip changes, 4 finger grip changes, fork balls, and palm balls are all changeups.

A splitter is called a split-fingered fastball because you don't slow your arm down and switch speeds on it. You throw it like a fastball, but with a split-fingered grip. On change-ups you slow your arm down and change speeds. What don't you guys get?

PrestigeWldWde
07-29-2010, 11:59 PM
if Santana didnt have a change up he would be different too..

if Strasburg never throws another fastball, he's gonna be a big bust...

lol what the hell kinda argument is that?

I'm not too sure if that statement is correct about Strasburg. The boy's got one hell of a curveball and change-up. :p

DLEE4MVP
07-30-2010, 12:01 AM
Baseballguru you should get a name change, because nothing you say about baseball makes any god damn sense at all...

bklynny67
07-30-2010, 12:02 AM
I'm not too sure if that statement is correct about Strasburg. The boy's got one hell of a curveball and change-up. :p

lol yea i guess so.. but you get my point.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:08 AM
lol yea i guess so.. but you get my point.

Of course, hence the :p

avrpatsfan
07-30-2010, 12:09 AM
what about wakefields knuckleball
Haha I would think that you as a Red Sox fan would realize how annoying and bad his is. A good pitch needs to be consistent. To answer the question, Mo's cutter is easily the best. You know it's coming but you still can't hit it.

Zmaster52
07-30-2010, 12:22 AM
DICKEYS KNUCKLEBALL

sheesh.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:22 AM
If Buehrle didnt have his change he's be a much much different pitcher....

:facepalm:Buehrle's change-up isn't even his best pitch. His cutter is BY FAR his best pitch.

flea
07-30-2010, 12:22 AM
A splitter is called a split-fingered fastball because you don't slow your arm down and switch speeds on it. You throw it like a fastball, but with a split-fingered grip. On change-ups you slow your arm down and change speeds. What don't you guys get?

No, you don't slow your arm for changeups (at least for good ones). That's why they're good - same arm speed and angle. It's the grip that slows the speed.

DLEE4MVP
07-30-2010, 12:28 AM
No, you don't slow your arm for changeups (at least for good ones). That's why they're good - same arm speed and angle. It's the grip that slows the speed.

This. You don't speed your arm down, that's what makes the pitch effective...

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:33 AM
This. You don't speed your arm down, that's what makes the pitch effective...

Not this. You guys don't get it do you? I can tell both of you guys have never pitched before. I'm not saying you slow your arm down considerably. Maybe I should say it in a different way like, you just down throw it as hard. When you are watching a game, have you ever heard the announcer say the pitcher pulled the string on him? It's impossible for you guys to win this. That's it.

flea
07-30-2010, 12:40 AM
Not this. You guys don't get it do you? I can tell both of you guys have never pitched before. I'm not saying you slow your arm down considerably. Maybe I should say it in a different way like, you just down throw it as hard. When you are watching a game, have you ever heard the announcer say the pitcher pulled the string on him? It's impossible for you guys to win this. That's it.

Yes I have pitched. No, I wasn't good. Apparently you weren't either, or at least your change wasn't.

ThisIsTheYear
07-30-2010, 12:42 AM
A splitter/change? That makes no sense.

phillyfreak3333
07-30-2010, 12:44 AM
1. Jamie Moyer's Fastball
2. Nick Swishers's Changeup
3. Charlie Morton's Curveball
4. Dice-K's Gyro Ball
5. Padilla's Efus pitch

flea
07-30-2010, 12:44 AM
A splitter/change? That makes no sense.

Put simply: all splitters are changeups, not all changeups are splitters. Think along the lines of all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

phillyfreak3333
07-30-2010, 12:45 AM
Not this. You guys don't get it do you? I can tell both of you guys have never pitched before. I'm not saying you slow your arm down considerably. Maybe I should say it in a different way like, you just down throw it as hard. When you are watching a game, have you ever heard the announcer say the pitcher pulled the string on him? It's impossible for you guys to win this. That's it.

No you don't you just change your grip.

C-ross12
07-30-2010, 12:47 AM
its a shame he can rarely aim the thing


over 6BB/9

Definately. Its a real show when Marmol comes in. When hes on its an absolute treat to watch him throw the ball. That slider of his is awesome. Sometimes it looks video game-ish.

6 BB/9... bad.... 17 SO/9.. amazing.

yankswin27
07-30-2010, 12:48 AM
Chan Ho Park's fastball baby, can't touch this!!!

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:50 AM
Yes I have pitched. No, I wasn't good. Apparently you weren't either, or at least your change wasn't.

I was pretty good in HS. My coach was a minor league pitcher. An ump pulled me to the side and even told me my change-up was the best he had seen in HS. I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

cwilson21
07-30-2010, 12:50 AM
Liriano's slider.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:51 AM
A splitter/change? That makes no sense.

It's ok. It's like talking to the brightest kid in a special needs class. They just don't get it. We might as well not even try to argue with them anymore.

C-ross12
07-30-2010, 12:52 AM
I was pretty good in HS. My coach was a minor league pitcher. An ump pulled me to the side and even told me my change-up was the best he had seen in HS. I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

Nice. I hit 13 HR's my senior year is HS. Got scouted too. Played numerous positions.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:54 AM
Put simply: all splitters are changeups, not all changeups are splitters. Think along the lines of all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

Yeahhhhh....NO. Maybe you should put a square in your round hole and figure out what kind of pitch that is? You guys are just ridiculous. I guess I just can't argue with someone with a pea for a brain.:facepalm:

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 12:56 AM
Nice. I hit 13 HR's my senior year is HS. Got scouted too. Played numerous positions.

That's bad ***. I had a hookup for a scholarship at St. Xavier (a private college in chicago area) but my hookup left for a job at another college. I quit baseball my senior year to work. I needed to start making $. lol
What positions? I played P, RF, and 1B.

ThisIsTheYear
07-30-2010, 12:57 AM
1. Jamie Moyer's Fastball
2. Nick Swishers's Changeup
3. Charlie Morton's Curveball
4. Dice-K's Gyro Ball
5. Padilla's Efus pitch

Best pitch ever. I was watching the Yankees-Dodgers game and once I saw him throw that I wanted him to throw it every pitch. Thing was awesome.

C-ross12
07-30-2010, 12:57 AM
That's bad ***. I had a hookup for a scholarship at St. Xavier (a private college in chicago area) but my hookup left for a job at another college. I quit baseball my senior year to work. I needed to start making $. lol
What positions? I played P, RF, and 1B.

Oh i was J/K.. I was ok but not great.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:00 AM
Oh i was J/K.. I was ok but not great.

lol

flea
07-30-2010, 01:00 AM
I was pretty good in HS. My coach was a minor league pitcher. An ump pulled me to the side and even told me my change-up was the best he had seen in HS. I think that pretty much speaks for itself.

Rofl well I was good in high school, as I'm sure half the forum was. Regardless, my skills as a high school pitcher years ago have nothing to do with my knowledge of the game now, which clearly outpaces your revisionist history of your prestigious high school baseball career upon which you base your brilliant assertions.

Sox72
07-30-2010, 01:00 AM
i don't know how any list can leave off Santana's changeup

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:07 AM
Rofl well I was good in high school, as I'm sure half the forum was. Regardless, my skills as a high school pitcher years ago have nothing to do with my knowledge of the game now, which clearly outpaces your revisionist history of your prestigious high school baseball career upon which you base your brilliant assertions.

This post makes you awesome. I was talking to another guy in the forum about pitching in HS, you douche. I highly doubt someone like you, with your BRILLIANT points, played in baseball anywhere. I don't know why it's so hard for you to accept the fact that a split-finger fastball.....IS A ****ING SPLIT-FINGER FASTBALL! NOT A CHANGE-UP! Understand that you aren't correct. I would admit if I was wrong, but I guess you just can't do it.

flea
07-30-2010, 01:11 AM
This post makes you awesome. I was talking to another guy in the forum about pitching in HS, you douche. I highly doubt someone like you, with your BRILLIANT points, played in baseball anywhere. I don't know why it's so hard for you to accept the fact that a split-finger fastball.....IS A ****ING SPLIT-FINGER FASTBALL! NOT A CHANGE-UP! Understand that you aren't correct. I would admit if I was wrong, but I guess you just can't do it.

A cutter is also called a cut fastball, but it's actually a breaking pitch. Fastballs aren't thrown 5+ miles per hour slower and with downward movement. But whatever, you can call it whatever you want. You're the guy to whom a high school umpire said, "You have the best changeup I've ever seen," after all. He probably wasn't even blind or ********.

NYSackExchange
07-30-2010, 01:16 AM
1. Mo's cutter
2. Wainwright's curve
3. Lincecum's change
4. Halladay's cutter
5. Mo's cutter

bethon2998
07-30-2010, 01:17 AM
This post makes you awesome. I was talking to another guy in the forum about pitching in HS, you douche. I highly doubt someone like you, with your BRILLIANT points, played in baseball anywhere. I don't know why it's so hard for you to accept the fact that a split-finger fastball.....IS A ****ING SPLIT-FINGER FASTBALL! NOT A CHANGE-UP! Understand that you aren't correct. I would admit if I was wrong, but I guess you just can't do it.

I seriously made a username just to respond to your recent posts. First off, its great that you were a pitcher in high school and everything but most college players, let alone high school players cannot hit offspeed pitches to save there behinds. Maybe you did change your arm speed for a change up in high school and im sure it had a lot of movement and slowed down but if ANY pitcher in the majors was to slow down there arm, hitters would read them like a book.

You never for any pitch (excluding knucklers) slow down your arm speed. This is a dead giveaway to professional hitters and the pitcher would be eaten alive. I pitched in high school ball and threw every kind of off speed my arm could handle because it makes pitching simple. My dad played college ball and all he threw was curves because most guys cant hit them.

Professional ball is no where near college or high school baseball. To further my proof, simply google "should i change arm speed on a change up" every response i guarantee will be to never do it.

You can get away with a lot more things on minor levels of ball like that, once you hit the pros you definitely cant.

You really got aggressive on these boards and i find it a little ridiculous especially considering how wrong you are.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:20 AM
A cutter is also called a cut fastball, but it's actually a breaking pitch. Fastballs aren't thrown 5+ miles per hour slower and with downward movement. But whatever, you can call it whatever you want. You're the guy to whom a high school umpire said, "You have the best changeup I've ever seen," after all. He probably wasn't even blind or ********.

Now whatever credibility you had left goes out the window. You are just ridiculous. Yes, he told me it was the best he has seen in HS. I didn't say he said it was the best he's EVER seen, period. I have a hard time believing you would call anyone else ******** considering the amount of nonsense you've spewed into this thread. It's not my fault you were home schooled and didn't get to play HS sports. I bet you even dated your teacher. Don't forget, suicide IS an option.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-30-2010, 01:22 AM
A splitter is a changeup. It's called a "split-fingered fastball" but that's just because that describes the grip. There are three essential, yet overlapping, types of pitches in baseball - fastballs, breaking balls, and changeups. Splits, circle changes, 3 finger grip changes, 4 finger grip changes, fork balls, and palm balls are all changeups.

If its called a "split fingered fastball" why would it be a change up lol?

The splitter is considered a fastball, but i can see how you can be confused. The Vulcan Changeup (a variation of the circle change) is gripped almost the same exact way. With splitters you put the ball between the index and middle finger, but with the Vulcan you put it between your middle and ring finger with the same "U" or "V" form. So i think it actually depends on how the pitcher wants to use the Splitter/Vulcan, hence Brandon Leagues confusion.

flea
07-30-2010, 01:23 AM
Now whatever credibility you had left goes out the window. You are just ridiculous. Yes, he told me it was the best he has seen in HS. I didn't say he said it was the best he's EVER seen, period. I have a hard time believing you would call anyone else ******** considering the amount of nonsense you've spewed into this thread. It's not my fault you were home schooled and didn't get to play HS sports. I bet you even dated your teacher. Don't forget, suicide IS an option.

Lol umad? Have you even graduated high school yet?

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:27 AM
I seriously made a username just to respond to your recent posts. First off, its great that you were a pitcher in high school and everything but most college players, let alone high school players cannot hit offspeed pitches to save there behinds. Maybe you did change your arm speed for a change up in high school and im sure it had a lot of movement and slowed down but if ANY pitcher in the majors was to slow down there arm, hitters would read them like a book.

You never for any pitch (excluding knucklers) slow down your arm speed. This is a dead giveaway to professional hitters and the pitcher would be eaten alive. I pitched in high school ball and threw every kind of off speed my arm could handle because it makes pitching simple. My dad played college ball and all he threw was curves because most guys cant hit them.

Professional ball is no where near college or high school baseball. To further my proof, simply google "should i change arm speed on a change up" every response i guarantee will be to never do it.

You can get away with a lot more things on minor levels of ball like that, once you hit the pros you definitely cant.

You really got aggressive on these boards and i find it a little ridiculous especially considering how wrong you are.

First, welcome.:)
Second, I said that maybe I used the wrong words by saying "slow down your armspeed". I corrected myself and said just not throw it as hard. I know for a fact that pitchers in major league baseball do not use the same armspeed on every pitch. You can clearly see it while watching games. Some more than others, but it still happens. A change-up is a change of speed pitch, hence the name change-up. The reason a change-up should be around 10-12 mph slower than your fastball is the fact that you don't throw it as hard. Then it depends on the kind of change-up you throw which makes the movement on the pitch. I (a righty) threw a circle change-up which broke down and in to right handers. I was told by my coach to throw it but not as hard a my fastball and let it come out of my hand like a grenade. I got aggressive because I was taught how to throw the pitch by someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about. Not some guy posting here because he watches Baseball Tonight every night.

flea
07-30-2010, 01:27 AM
If its called a "split fingered fastball" why would it be a change up lol?

The splitter is considered a fastball, but i can see how you can be confused. The Vulcan Changeup (a variation of the circle change) is gripped almost the same exact way. With splitters you put the ball between the index and middle finger, but with the Vulcan you put it between your middle and ring finger with the same "U" or "V" form. So i think it actually depends on how the pitcher wants to use the Splitter/Vulcan, hence Brandon Leagues confusion.

Look dude, I already explained to the other dude why it's called a "split fingered fastball". Because it's the same grip but with "split fingers". It's not a fastball because it's slower, has more movement, and is used in pitch sequencing as an off pitch. For example, successful sinkerballers like Tim Hudson use 2 seamers and splitters off of each other, because one is a fastball and the other is a change. Power pitchers like Roger Clemens used 4 seamers and then splitters as their off-speed pitch. It's the movement, speed, and pitch usage that make it a changeup.

Unfortunately for some people, misnomers exist in the world for various reasons.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:28 AM
Lol umad? Have you even graduated high school yet?

If I didn't graduate HS that would just make it worse for you, since you are getting destroyed here.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:29 AM
Look dude, I already explained to the other dude why it's called a "split fingered fastball". Because it's the same grip but with "split fingers". It's not a fastball because it's slower, has more movement, and is used in pitch sequencing as an off pitch. For example, successful sinkerballers like Tim Hudson use 2 seamers and splitters off of each other, because one is a fastball and the other is a change. Power pitchers like Roger Clemens used 4 seamers and then splitters as their off-speed pitch. It's the movement, speed, and pitch usage that make it a changeup.
Unfortunately for some people, misnomers exist in the world for various reasons.

Why do you consider to type this nonsense? I've told you over and over again why it isn't a change-up, but you continue to be blind and one-sided. Face the facts.

flea
07-30-2010, 01:30 AM
If I didn't graduate HS that would just make it worse for you, since you are getting destroyed here.

Delusions of this order exist only in kids whose age ends in "teen".

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:30 AM
If its called a "split fingered fastball" why would it be a change up lol?

The splitter is considered a fastball, but i can see how you can be confused. The Vulcan Changeup (a variation of the circle change) is gripped almost the same exact way. With splitters you put the ball between the index and middle finger, but with the Vulcan you put it between your middle and ring finger with the same "U" or "V" form. So i think it actually depends on how the pitcher wants to use the Splitter/Vulcan, hence Brandon Leagues confusion.

Hurricanes, you and I have had our disagreements on the NBA side of things, but you are damn right here. This guy just won't leave it alone.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:32 AM
Delusions of this order exist only in kids whose age ends in "teen".

So that's you then, correct? Maybe you should just quit while you are NOT ahead.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-30-2010, 01:35 AM
Look dude, I already explained to the other dude why it's called a "split fingered fastball". Because it's the same grip but with "split fingers". It's not a fastball because it's slower, has more movement, and is used in pitch sequencing as an off pitch. For example, successful sinkerballers like Tim Hudson use 2 seamers and splitters off of each other, because one is a fastball and the other is a change. Power pitchers like Roger Clemens used 4 seamers and then splitters as their off-speed pitch. It's the movement, speed, and pitch usage that make it a changeup.

Unfortunately for some people, misnomers exist in the world for various reasons.

Im not gonna say you're wrong because you could be right, but if you look it up on the internet, every site will classify it as a fastball. Some pitchers use it as the change of speed pitch and some use it as a power fastball with a downwards movement.

Yendil
07-30-2010, 01:35 AM
WHAT IT DOES: The changeup is the great impostor, meant to look like the fastball, but
coming in slower to throw off the batter’s timing. The arm motion and release point are
ideally the same as the fastball, but the difference is the grip. The most common grip is
some form of the “circle change,“ in which the thumb and forefinger touch to
create a circle on the side of the ball, which sits back close to the palm. The
remaining fingers are spread around the ball. Where the fastball uses
leverage to impart force and spin using the first two fingers, the
changeup spreads the force around the ball, concentrating it in the
middle of the ball and taking speed off. Variations on the grip
include the palm ball, where the ball is held all the way back
in the palm, and the horseshoe or pitchfork change, in
which fingers are spread evenly around the ball,
without the thumb-and-forefinger circle.


that should end the change up arguement

Yendil
07-30-2010, 01:38 AM
Im not gonna say you're wrong because you could be right, but if you look it up on the internet, every site will classify it as a fastball. Some pitchers use it as the change of speed pitch and some use it as a power fastball with a downwards movement.

no they won't.


Brandon League's off speed pitch was number 1.

No pitcher in baseball last year threw any pitch that generated a higher percentage of swings and misses than Brandon League's splitter/change did.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:39 AM
that should end the change up arguement

Nice. And it says "ideally" not "always" in terms of arm speed. I was taught to not throw my change-up quite as hard as my fastball. I'm using 1st hand knowledge, like I said, to state my point. Flea is just using hearsay.

HuRRiCaNeS324
07-30-2010, 01:39 AM
no they won't.

But like i said, that could be the Vulcan changeup which is almost the same as the splitter.

Yendil
07-30-2010, 01:41 AM
Nice. And it says "ideally" not "always" in terms of arm speed. I was taught to not throw my change-up quite as hard as my fastball. I'm using 1st hand knowledge, like I said, to state my point. Flea is just using hearsay.

Changeups are thrown just like fastballs, the point is to bring the hitter off balance. I also pitched and lived off the change up and drop ball to go with my fastball, to be effective you have to give the illusion for them to anticipate the fastball but have it delivered 10 MPH less thus causing them to swing early.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:48 AM
Changeups are thrown just like fastballs, the point is to bring the hitter off balance. I also pitched and lived off the change up and drop ball to go with my fastball, to be effective you have to give the illusion for them to anticipate the fastball but have it delivered 10 MPH less thus causing them to swing early.

I never said to slow your arm down 10 mph less, but in a perfect world your change-up would be 10-12 mph slower than your fastball. I understand that the change-up is the illusion pitch. If you have a good one, then it makes your fastball look even quicker. The arm-speed thing I'm talking about you probably can't even see with a naked eye. I'm talking about throwing your change-up with just a tiny less armspeed than a fastball to make it more effective. That's what I was taught. BTW, what's a drop ball?

Yendil
07-30-2010, 01:52 AM
I never said to slow your arm down 10 mph less, but in a perfect world your change-up would be 10-12 mph slower than your fastball. I understand that the change-up is the illusion pitch. If you have a good one, then it makes your fastball look even quicker. The arm-speed thing I'm talking about you probably can't even see with a naked eye. I'm talking about throwing your change-up with just a tiny less armspeed than a fastball to make it more effective. That's what I was taught. BTW, what's a drop ball?

A pitch that I think I made up, not sure if anyone else has ever thrown it. You hold the ball just like a fastball, throw it just like a fastball but at the last split second you turn your wrist upside down and flip down. It will travel like a fastball until about 10 - 20 feet from the plate then drop about a foot from the velocity and rotation.

flea
07-30-2010, 01:53 AM
Some pitchers use it as the change of speed pitch and some use it as a power fastball with a downwards movement.

Name 1 pitcher who uses a splitter exclusively as his power pitch.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 01:56 AM
Name 1 pitcher who uses a splitter exclusively as his power pitch.

Jose Contreras, Scott Linebrink...and i'm sure there are a few more.

Yendil
07-30-2010, 02:01 AM
Jose Contreras, Scott Linebrink...and i'm sure there are a few more.

No that is their "out" pitch, their power pitch is their fastball.

Conteras
FB% 55.7
SF% 21.0
SL% 17.6

Linebrink
FB% 68.6
CH% 15.2
SL% 8.7
CB% 4.2
SF% 2.6

flea
07-30-2010, 02:05 AM
Jose Contreras, Scott Linebrink...and i'm sure there are a few more.

Contreras throws a 4 seamer in the mid-90s accurately when he's on. His splitter is good but it's ineffective when he can't locate his fastball. Thus, he throws his splitter off his fastball, hence the off-speed nature.

Linkebrink's changeup and splitter mix together on Pitch F/X data. Regardless, he still throws his fastball 68% of the time for his career.

Try again, White Sox fan.

EDIT: ^What this guy said.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 02:06 AM
No that is their "out" pitch, their power pitch is their fastball.

Conteras
FB% 55.7
SF% 21.0
SL% 17.6

Linebrink
FB% 68.6
CH% 15.2
SL% 8.7
CB% 4.2
SF% 2.6

Please don't try telling a White Sox fan that Contreras' out pitch was his split-finger. Maybe his fastball was his power pitch early in his career and now. But when he was with the White Sox, there was a reason he was moved to the bullpen and down to the minors and back and forth. He threw his splitter most of the time.

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 02:08 AM
Contreras throws a 4 seamer in the mid-90s accurately when he's on. His splitter is good but it's ineffective when he can't locate his fastball. Thus, he throws his splitter off his fastball, hence the off-speed nature.

Linkebrink's changeup and splitter mix together on Pitch F/X data. Regardless, he still throws his fastball 68% of the time for his career.

Try again, White Sox fan.

EDIT: ^What this guy said.

:facepalm: You still do not get the point lady.

EDIT: ^ WHAT THIS GUY SAID

PrestigeWldWde
07-30-2010, 02:10 AM
I guess you two lovebirds have never heard the term "power split-finger". I'm done with you imbeciles.

Yendil
07-30-2010, 02:12 AM
no love birds about it, fangraphs labels the percentages on how often they throw it. Believe me I thought the same for JJ Putz with his splitter but low and behold in 2008 he only threw it 20% of the time. Sometimes the eyes can be deceiving, luckily for us we have people who get paid to keep track of the numbers

Pittz
07-30-2010, 02:31 AM
Nice. And it says "ideally" not "always" in terms of arm speed. I was taught to not throw my change-up quite as hard as my fastball. I'm using 1st hand knowledge, like I said, to state my point. Flea is just using hearsay.

If it's ideally, it mean you ARE NOT supposed to alter your arm speed... as in you learned incorrectly.

You're the one actually arguing with hearsay, and sorry to say your coach was wrong. Flea is arguing with facts.

bklynny67
07-30-2010, 03:14 AM
so you guys sit on this thing and argue about a pitch for hours in the middle of the night... get a life

Pittz
07-30-2010, 03:24 AM
so you guys sit on this thing and argue about a pitch for hours in the middle of the night... get a life

So you just sit around and tell people how to spend their time in the middle of the night?

Get a life.

GoatMilk
07-30-2010, 03:30 AM
Im sorry, but I just love Dan Haren's split

Dr.Philly
07-30-2010, 03:32 AM
Roy's curveball is pretty nasty.

Now that he's on our team I'll get to see it more often:D

zambo4president
07-30-2010, 03:43 AM
Marmol's slider :drool:

This. It's soooo nasty it's ridiculous.

Roy
07-30-2010, 05:11 AM
1. Jamie Moyer's Fastball
2. Nick Swishers's Changeup
3. Charlie Morton's Curveball
4. Dice-K's Gyro Ball
5. Padilla's Efus pitch

:laugh::laugh::laugh::surrender:

WS05 CHAMPZ
07-30-2010, 05:23 AM
honorable mention: Peavy slider, Floyd Curve, but with marmol's ridiculous K per 9 its hard to argue his slider

DodgerBulls
07-30-2010, 05:42 AM
How can you NOT include Wainrights curve and Mariano's cutter...

1. Mariano cutter
2. Wainwright curve
3. Lincecum changeup
4. Strasburg fastball
5. Padilla eepheus pitch :D :homer:

lol. I love watching him go from a 90MPH fastball to a 56MPH breaking ball! Sad thing is, he occasionally pitches the same damn verrrrrry low speed ball back to back.

tmacsc2
07-30-2010, 06:59 AM
Felix's slider!

GraphiiC
07-30-2010, 07:30 AM
Joel Zumyas Fast Ball

Max Scherzer Slider

Jose Valverde Fork Ball

Cliff Lees ability 2 throw strikes xD

ritz
07-30-2010, 07:38 AM
Brian Wilson's shoes.

Oh and Ike Davis likes Padilla's ridiculous curve/eephus too. That was probably the funniest **** I've seen during a baseball game in a while.

Pinstripe pride
07-30-2010, 09:54 AM
all pitches thrown by strassburg

ChutsMcUtley
07-30-2010, 10:18 AM
Everything this guy said about splitters and changeups

Hey guess what:


Roy Halladay, Ubaldo Jimanez, Brandon League and Kyle Kendrick are just four of many pitchers that use a SPLITTER as a changeup!

torontosports10
07-30-2010, 10:24 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IHrYBkqzag\

This guys curveball.

Pinstripe pride
07-30-2010, 10:33 AM
this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSH1KH4Bcj4

Manatoo
07-30-2010, 10:34 AM
Brandon League's splitter.

/thread.

(This is my same response in the last thread)

Wow do i ever miss League's splitter.... not enough to give back Morrow.. but still...

Lloyd Christmas
07-30-2010, 12:17 PM
this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSH1KH4Bcj4

Awesome

celtisox41
07-30-2010, 01:28 PM
Rivera's cutter
Strasburg's and Buchholz's curves
Zumaya's fastball
Webb's sinker
Wakefields Knuckleball when he's on

mike_noodles
07-30-2010, 02:45 PM
mariano's cutter has to be a top 5 pitch.

i remember a couple of years ago when a bunch of the AL all-star pitchers were surrounding rivera while he was showing them how he throws his cutter...even doc was there.

Remember that too, believe Kazmir was there too.

But I should throw Stras' curve into the mix since it even baffles the umps.

BoundByAxioms
07-30-2010, 03:07 PM
Barry Zito's curve circa 2003.

jtrinaldi
07-30-2010, 03:50 PM
axfords fastball
axfords fastball
axfords fastball
axfords fastball
axfords fastball

Conquest8089
07-30-2010, 04:03 PM
Josh Johnson's 91 MPH essentially cutter. It can be considered a cutter because it has too much movement. I'd take Mariano's the mans made a career off the one pitch. It's late break it devastating coming in on the hands to left handers.

Gregerson's slider has been filthy all year. Right now, PUtz's splitter is up there.

bklynny67
07-31-2010, 01:16 AM
honorable mention: Peavy slider, Floyd Curve, but with marmol's ridiculous K per 9 its hard to argue his slider

um.. no honorable mention deserved.

Floyd curve? its not even a top 10 curve, let alone top 5 pitch... get outta here you homer.

people need to stop just naming guys from their team.

Mell413
07-31-2010, 01:28 AM
Marmol's slider

RenegadeRiot36
07-31-2010, 01:37 AM
burnetts curve???

sleepercell3
07-31-2010, 01:42 AM
Verlanders nasty *** fastball

nithanyo
07-31-2010, 08:07 AM
burnetts curve???

Its a good pitch, but not the best curve in baseball.

The reason its so devestating is cus of the 95mph fastball

kingcanadian409
07-31-2010, 09:17 AM
No order... Halladays cutter, verlanders fastball, valverdes splitter, peavys curve, and lincecums change.

jmill
07-31-2010, 09:52 AM
Thread cliffnotes: <insert best pitch of guy that plays for my team here>

bklynny67
08-02-2010, 02:46 AM
Thread cliffnotes: <insert best pitch of guy that plays for my team here>

exactly... thats why this thread turned out stupid cuz thats all people are doing.

best pitches
Santana's change up
Dickey's knuckleball
Pelfrey's sinker
Krod's curve
Niese's curve

Don of NY23
08-02-2010, 04:09 AM
I don't think there is a hitter in the league that can catch up to Jamie Moyers fastball.


I know I am late to the party on this one but LMAO:laugh:

Don of NY23
08-02-2010, 04:11 AM
the sliders that Brian wilson was throwing tonight were pretty nasty