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Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Hearing that something will go down between the Twins and Blue Jays. One of Scott Downs or Jason Frasor on the move.

Link: http://twitter.com/tompelissero

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 03:57 PM
Please be Downs.

Yankee Clipper
07-26-2010, 04:00 PM
I'm assuming Downs will be the player dealt in this deal.

Pinstripe pride
07-26-2010, 04:02 PM
most likely downs. wonder who the twins are shipping out?

zambo4president
07-26-2010, 04:16 PM
Downs is a good Left Handed Specialist. Smart pickup for the Twins if it goes down.

miller74
07-26-2010, 04:17 PM
Downs is a good Left Handed Specialist. Smart pickup for the Twins if it goes down.

Hes better than a lefty specialist hes been closer/setup for the most part over the last 3 years
And remember downs is upcoming Type A FA so teams will have to pay alot in order for the jays to trade him

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 04:23 PM
Sounds good to me. I want to know the return though..

projectk7
07-26-2010, 04:25 PM
Coming from a Jays fan, Downs is easily the best leftie available on the market right now. With upwards to 7 teams interested in him, along with his Type A FA status.. don't be surprised if you have to send a serious prospect.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 04:27 PM
Joe Benson and Jeff Manship? Pleaseeeee.

WSU Tony
07-26-2010, 04:33 PM
Hicks
Benson
Sano
Revere
Ramos

I don't see any of these guys involved if it's for Frasor. If Downs is involved Revere or more likely Ramos would be involved since it would bring back 2 draft picks... This would be a great way to turn over Ramos (who's blocked by mauer).

madmike77
07-26-2010, 04:33 PM
Must be Downs. Can't see why a contender would want Frasor who is still pretty much a project.

Yankee Clipper
07-26-2010, 04:34 PM
Must be Downs. Can't see why a contender would want Frasor who is still pretty much a project.

I was thinking the same thing, Downs would be much more of an impact reliever than Frasor would.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 04:35 PM
I'd rather flip Ramos for more of an impact player than a guy like Downs...

PatelJ1010
07-26-2010, 04:36 PM
If it is Scott Downs than the prospect has to be Wilson Ramos (Catcher prospect thats blocked by Mauer) if its Jason Frasor it might be a cheaper option to trade (in the sense of prospects)...No matter what the Blue Jays might be the winners in this trade especially if it is Scott Downs.

DiPasquale7
07-26-2010, 04:36 PM
Hicks
Benson
Sano
Revere
Ramos

I don't see any of these guys involved if it's for Frasor. If Downs is involved Revere or more likely Ramos would be involved since it would bring back 2 draft picks... This would be a great way to turn over Ramos (who's blocked by mauer).

As a jays fan, I'd love either Ramos or Revere..

Asham
07-26-2010, 04:52 PM
Joe Mauer please

Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 04:55 PM
This would be a great way to turn over Wilson Ramos, who's blocked by Joe Mauer.

The Blue Jays already have major talent at catcher.

- J.P Arencibia (AAA) {343 AB, .309 AVG, 29 HR, 74 RBI, .362% OBP, .650% SLG & 1.012 OPS}

- Travis d'Arnaud (FSL) {250 AB, .264 AVG, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .320% OBP, .420% SLG & .740 OPS}

- A.J Jimenez (A) {225 AB, .311 AVG, 4 HR, 46 RBI, .355% OBP, .440% SLG & .795 OPS}

- Brian Jeroloman (AA) {221 AB, .276 AVG, 7 HR, 31 RBI, .449% OBP, .439% SLG & .888 OPS}

miller74
07-26-2010, 05:01 PM
The Blue Jays already have major talent at catcher.

- J.P Arencibia (AAA) {343 AB, .309 AVG, 29 HR, 74 RBI, .362% OBP, .650% SLG & 1.012 OPS}

- Travis d'Arnaud (FSL) {250 AB, .264 AVG, 6 HR, 37 RBI, .320% OBP, .420% SLG & .740 OPS}

- A.J Jimenez (A) {225 AB, .311 AVG, 4 HR, 46 RBI, .355% OBP, .440% SLG & .795 OPS}

- Brian Jeroloman (AA) {221 AB, .276 AVG, 7 HR, 31 RBI, .449% OBP, .439% SLG & .888 OPS}

Every year the jays have "cant miss" prospect whose is pegged the catcher of the future, and then they turn out to be Josh Phelps, Kevin Cash, Curtis Thigpen, Robinson Diaz, if Ramos has the most value they should take him regardless of the position because you never know how others will turn out

Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 05:13 PM
Every year the Blue Jays have a "can't miss" prospect who's ipegged at catcher, they turn out to be Josh Phelps, Kevin Cash, Curtis Thigpen and Robinson Diaz. If Wilson Ramos has the most value, they should take him regardless. You never know how others will turn out.

True.

However, the Blue Jays should rather just pick up two of Aaron Hicks, Miguel Sano, Ben Revere or Carlos Gutierrez as they'll address positional needs.

j-bay
07-26-2010, 05:13 PM
its not downs
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/26/1588822/twins-jays-deal-close

bomber0104
07-26-2010, 05:14 PM
Every year the jays have "cant miss" prospect whose is pegged the catcher of the future, and then they turn out to be Josh Phelps, Kevin Cash, Curtis Thigpen, Robinson Diaz, if Ramos has the most value they should take him regardless of the position because you never know how others will turn out

true but you can also say that the Jays are due to hit on a couple of these.. Jeroloman and D'arnud will eventually make it even if its just in a back up position since they are both superb defensively.

JPA is tearing up AAA and should hit for power in the majors

He is also forgetting about Carlos Perez who is thought to be our best catching prospect by some.. He is hitting over .320 in Short season ball

With that said, if Ramos is the best player you can get I think you have to go for it. If anything, you can flip him to a team lik the Sox or Mariners who are looking for the catcher of the future

Yankee Clipper
07-26-2010, 05:15 PM
its not downs
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/26/1588822/twins-jays-deal-close

Interesting...

bomber0104
07-26-2010, 05:15 PM
its not downs
http://www.twinkietown.com/2010/7/26/1588822/twins-jays-deal-close

fully expected that... it would be pretty stupid for the Jays to trade Downs before the deadline when there are upward of 6 teams asking for him

i think its Frasor

TheHebrewHammer
07-26-2010, 05:16 PM
My guess would be Jason Frasor going to Minnesota.

The rumor sounds as if somethings pretty imminent, and with more than half a dozen teams going after Downs i don't expect the Jays to trade him this early without at least trying to drive up the stakes.

Beyond that, I'm pretty sure that Frasor and Minny have been linked together before. Minny might decide that the 100% chance of getting Frasor beats trying to outbid everyone else for Downs.

As for the return, don't be suprised if it opens some eyes. Frasor has quietly worked himself back into Type A status after an awful first part of the year. That means the Jays could be looking at 2 1st rounders if he signs somewhere else next summer, so I highly doubt theyll give him up for some mid-level spec.

bomber0104
07-26-2010, 05:24 PM
My guess would be Jason Frasor going to Minnesota.

The rumor sounds as if somethings pretty imminent, and with more than half a dozen teams going after Downs i don't expect the Jays to trade him this early without at least trying to drive up the stakes.

Beyond that, I'm pretty sure that Frasor and Minny have been linked together before. Minny might decide that the 100% chance of getting Frasor beats trying to outbid everyone else for Downs.

As for the return, don't be suprised if it opens some eyes. Frasor has quietly worked himself back into Type A status after an awful first part of the year. That means the Jays could be looking at 2 1st rounders if he signs somewhere else next summer, so I highly doubt theyll give him up for some mid-level spec.

Definitely... Frasor's numbers are due mostly to his terrible April in which he experienced a drop in velocity.

Since then, he has had an ERA in the 3s

TheBomb255
07-26-2010, 05:30 PM
Maybe Shaun Marcum? Twins could use another SP, and Jays might be willing to trade Marcum. He's 9-4, 3.36 ERA, 1.21 WHIP on the season.

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 05:32 PM
^Maybe, we need a SP over BP help.

Madness23
07-26-2010, 05:36 PM
Maybe Shaun Marcum? Twins could use another SP, and Jays might be willing to trade Marcum. He's 9-4, 3.36 ERA, 1.21 WHIP on the season.

man what the hell can you offer for marcum ? just a simple question

just look for the asking price for oswalt, i think marcum is at least on the level of roy, younger, cheaper so give your best offer +++

TheBomb255
07-26-2010, 05:37 PM
I'm a Brewers fan, so I don't know the Twins prospects well. I'm sure it's gonna cost a top spec though.

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 05:42 PM
**** this, does anyone have anymore credible links?

Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 05:42 PM
In order to acquire Shaun Marcum, the Twins might have to offer a package of Kyle Gibson, Angel Morales and Max Kepler.

WSU Tony
07-26-2010, 05:44 PM
True.

However, the Blue Jays should rather just pick up two of Aaron Hicks, Miguel Sano, Ben Revere or Carlos Gutierrez as they'll address positional needs.

Of course you would but that's not attainable. The Twins wouldnt' give up two of those guys for Lee, why would they do it for a reliever? The value of Hicks and Sano is closer to that ss you just traded away, not a lefty reliever for the end of the year and 2 draft picks.

WSU Tony
07-26-2010, 05:45 PM
I would take Marcum for that price.

WSU Tony
07-26-2010, 05:47 PM
Your value on the lefty reliever is very high and Marcum is very low. I don't think your on with either of them.

Madness23
07-26-2010, 05:54 PM
what is the cost for Ben Revere according to you ?

don't mention marcum please

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 05:55 PM
what is the cost for Ben Revere according to you ?

don't mention marcum please

Marcum.

WSU Tony
07-26-2010, 05:57 PM
What's Marcum's contract look like? If it's not terrible, Ramos and Revere.

Madness23
07-26-2010, 05:58 PM
^^^ useless dialogue then

nithanyo
07-26-2010, 05:59 PM
What's Marcum's contract look like? If it's not terrible, Ramos and Revere.

He's making $850k and has 2 years of arbitration left.

Madness23
07-26-2010, 06:00 PM
What's Marcum's contract look like? If it's not terrible, Ramos and Revere.

actually his salary is laughable for what he is worth, 850 k/ a year :D

bomber0104
07-26-2010, 06:08 PM
I think the Jays could get Revere for Frasor

returnofvdub'10
07-26-2010, 06:23 PM
Frasor and Downs can go as far as I am concerned. Not because they are poor pitchers (quite the opposite) but because they are not part of the long term solution. If they DONT get traded, Jays get back 3-4 picks in the offseason after they offer arbitration and they dont get signed.

IMO Marcum goes NOWHERE because he is as close to a staff leader as it gets for this youing bunch.

Ragun
07-26-2010, 06:25 PM
get frasor out of here!

Jays52
07-26-2010, 06:28 PM
Any new links refering to this rumour?

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 07:22 PM
True.

However, the Blue Jays should rather just pick up two of Aaron Hicks, Miguel Sano, Ben Revere or Carlos Gutierrez as they'll address positional needs.

Man, really? You're extremely high on a pretty average reliever.


I think the Jays could get Revere for Frasor

I'd do it, mainly because I think Ben Revere is a career pinch runner, and we already have Hicks in the OF.

Marcum/Frasor for Ramos/Revere/Manship.

I'd do it.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 07:24 PM
Rosenthal just tweeted:

Bluejays calling up LHP Brad Mills to start Wed v Orioles.

Could mean Marcum is in play as well...

Edit: Nvm, guess he has a blister on his hand.

Twitchy
07-26-2010, 07:51 PM
Man, really? You're extremely high on a pretty average reliever.



I'd do it, mainly because I think Ben Revere is a career pinch runner, and we already have Hicks in the OF.

Marcum/Frasor for Ramos/Revere/Manship.

I'd do it.

I have no doubt you'd trade a "career pinch runner", a good but not elite catcher and a projected 5th starter (Manship) according to John Sickels for Marcum & Frasor. Unfortunately for you this isn't playstation 3 and the opposing GM will actually reject silly offers.

T.O.Bombinators
07-26-2010, 07:56 PM
Rosenthal just tweeted:

Bluejays calling up LHP Brad Mills to start Wed v Orioles.

Could mean Marcum is in play as well...

Edit: Nvm, guess he has a blister on his hand.

also we had a double header yesterday..it was known for a while we didnt have a starter wednesday it was never marcums spot

Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 07:57 PM
Man, really? You're extremely high on a pretty average reliever.

Average reliever? :eyebrow:

You'll be surprised to see the true value of Scott Downs while playing on a contending team.


Shaun Marcum and Jason Frasor for Wilson Ramos, Ben Revere and Jeff Manship.

I'd do it.

:laugh2:

That might not be enough to acquire Shaun Marcum on his own.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 07:58 PM
I have no doubt you'd trade a "career pinch runner", a good but not elite catcher and a projected 5th starter (Manship) according to John Sickels for Marcum & Frasor. Unfortunately for you this isn't playstation 3 and the opposing GM will actually reject silly offers.

Ha nah, guys in the Toronto forum were saying they liked Revere, so that's why I said that trade offer. I know it's not really realistic, but either is saying that the Twins are going to give up Miguel Sano, Kyle Gibson, and Wilson Ramos for Jason Frasor, so two can play the "ridiculous offer" game.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 07:59 PM
also we had a double header yesterday..it was known for a while we didnt have a starter wednesday it was never marcums spot

Just going by what I saw.

Average reliever? :eyebrow:

You'll be surprised to see the true value of Scott Downs while playing on a contending team.

I was under the impression you were talking about Frasor.. In that case, my bad.

Jays Claw
07-26-2010, 08:02 PM
I was under the impression that you were talking about Jason Frasor. In that case, my bad.

Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

I'd have to disagree.

bomber0104
07-26-2010, 08:32 PM
Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

Get real bro..

Like i said in the Jays forum, i really can't imagine us getting any of hicks, Ramos, sano or Gibson for Frasor

If its Downs, then guys like Ramos and Hicks might become a possibility

Beastley8
07-26-2010, 08:34 PM
Yeah, Frasor isn't getting you any of Ramos, Sano, Hicks, or Gibson. It just won't happen. Include Marcum, and than we can start talking.

B2theRY
07-26-2010, 08:45 PM
1st of all id be shocked if marcum is dealt so lets not throw his name out..


if its NOT Frasor who i think it is... im going to throw out Tallet :P

it wont be a blockbuster type trade..

someone will take tallet off the jays.

Baldyy
07-26-2010, 08:48 PM
Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

no no no

masTOR_shake1
07-26-2010, 08:59 PM
lets make a deal

skymin5
07-27-2010, 01:12 AM
Why is anyone mentioning Sano, he can't be dealt, and he won't be dealt and especially for a reliever...

Anyways I hope the Twins don't trade away Hicks, Gibson, or Benson unless Shaun Marcum is involved and even then I'm not a huge fan.

projectk7
07-27-2010, 08:24 AM
You guys are all crazy.. Shaun Marcum will not be traded!! That is for sure, I can guarantee it. He is part of AA's long term plans.

Ramos has little value to Jays who are stacked in Catcher Prospects. Arencibia is the future and is tearing up AAA.

Scott downs is average?!? The guy has a 2.29 ERA over his past 4 seasons (216.1 IP). The guy is one of the best setup men in the league and a lefty specialist (Left handed BAA a good .020 lower than Right handed BAA). If you saw the Jays/Tigers game this weekend he came on in a tie game with 2 men on base with 1 out and proceeded to strikeout two straight batters to end the inning, essential to our win. A top prospect is what AA will be looking for.

Frasor is an average reliever, someone that you know what you're going to get out of him (~3.75-4.00 ERA), if anyone's going to get traded to the Twins this early it'll be him or Tallet.

todu82
07-27-2010, 09:27 AM
I still think the Jays have to get a catcher as part of any deal. Catching is a weak spot for the team (Though Arceniba looks like the real deal).

TO to the CHI
07-27-2010, 09:57 AM
I still think the Jays have to get a catcher as part of any deal. Catching is a weak spot for the team (Though Arceniba looks like the real deal).

I am pretty sure that catcher is the deepest position the Jays have stocked in the farm system (other than pitcher). They have JPA, as you noted, but also acquired Travis D'Arnaud (top 100 per BA), and have about 4-5 other catchers having great seasons this year.

It is a tough position to fill, so the Jays might be interested in Ramos, but catcher is anything but a position of need.

miller74
07-27-2010, 10:58 AM
You guys are all crazy.. Shaun Marcum will not be traded!! That is for sure, I can guarantee it. He is part of AA's long term plans.

Ramos has little value to Jays who are stacked in Catcher Prospects. Arencibia is the future and is tearing up AAA.

Scott downs is average?!? The guy has a 2.29 ERA over his past 4 seasons (216.1 IP). The guy is one of the best setup men in the league and a lefty specialist (Left handed BAA a good .020 lower than Right handed BAA). If you saw the Jays/Tigers game this weekend he came on in a tie game with 2 men on base with 1 out and proceeded to strikeout two straight batters to end the inning, essential to our win. A top prospect is what AA will be looking for.

Frasor is an average reliever, someone that you know what you're going to get out of him (~3.75-4.00 ERA), if anyone's going to get traded to the Twins this early it'll be him or Tallet.

Im not so sure of that, Jays have Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabeck, Deck, Alvalrez, Jenkins, Stewart, Zchep mills etc AA is smart enough to realize Marcum is close to his ceiling and as good as he is for the jays, if they can get a strong young package in return AA wouldnt hesitate to deal Marcum, who is 28/29 years old?

The_905
07-27-2010, 11:01 AM
I still think the Jays have to get a catcher as part of any deal. Catching is a weak spot for the team (Though Arceniba looks like the real deal).

lol, you could not be any farther from the truth.. What made you post that?

VRP723
07-27-2010, 11:05 AM
Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

:laugh:

Pinstripe pride
07-27-2010, 11:22 AM
Jason Frasor is probably worth a package of Wilson Ramos, Angel Morales and Tyler Robertson.

what the hell is wrong with you

projectk7
07-27-2010, 11:34 AM
Im not so sure of that, Jays have Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabeck, Deck, Alvalrez, Jenkins, Stewart, Zchep mills etc AA is smart enough to realize Marcum is close to his ceiling and as good as he is for the jays, if they can get a strong young package in return AA wouldnt hesitate to deal Marcum, who is 28/29 years old?

The future will see the Jays rotation being Marcum as their opening day starter for at least another 2 to 3 seasons.

The rest of the rotation will be: Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek

Jenkins moves in after he's developed but I think that'll be a while. Marcum isn't going anywhere. AA loves him, the rest of the Jays Roster loves him (he is the reason why most young pitchers are having good years for the Jays), the fans love him. He's staying.

adab
07-27-2010, 11:41 AM
As a Jays fan, I have to hope they're trading Frasor and keeping Downs. The Jays already have 2 good defensive catchers right now and can definitely sell high on John Buck. Getting Wilson Ramos on paper looks good, but the Blue Jays have a glut of catching prospects that are on their way to being MLB ready, including JP Arencibia who has 29 homeruns and 74 RBIs with an OPS of 1.013 in AAA ball. So how much would they need Ramos? They real need is a stud third baseman and or another strong pitching prospect never hurts - possoibly a future closer.

Beastley8
07-27-2010, 11:46 AM
You guys are all crazy.. Shaun Marcum will not be traded!! That is for sure, I can guarantee it. He is part of AA's long term plans.

Ramos has little value to Jays who are stacked in Catcher Prospects. Arencibia is the future and is tearing up AAA.

Scott downs is average?!? The guy has a 2.29 ERA over his past 4 seasons (216.1 IP). The guy is one of the best setup men in the league and a lefty specialist (Left handed BAA a good .020 lower than Right handed BAA). If you saw the Jays/Tigers game this weekend he came on in a tie game with 2 men on base with 1 out and proceeded to strikeout two straight batters to end the inning, essential to our win. A top prospect is what AA will be looking for.

Frasor is an average reliever, someone that you know what you're going to get out of him (~3.75-4.00 ERA), if anyone's going to get traded to the Twins this early it'll be him or Tallet.

I already corrected myself... I meant that Frasor is average, and fans on here think he's worth Gibson or even Ramos. Sorry, but as a Twins fan, if we trade Ramos for Frasor, were a bunch of idiots.

Ramos should only be traded as part of a package for an absolute stud pitcher/3rd baseman, or straight up for a young stud.

miller74
07-27-2010, 11:50 AM
The future will see the Jays rotation being Marcum as their opening day starter for at least another 2 to 3 seasons.

The rest of the rotation will be: Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek

Jenkins moves in after he's developed but I think that'll be a while. Marcum isn't going anywhere. AA loves him, the rest of the Jays Roster loves him (he is the reason why most young pitchers are having good years for the Jays), the fans love him. He's staying.

Deck McGuire will be up with 2 or 3 years
He is very likeable yes, but hes not going to get much better and if u can get something significant for him AA does it in a heart beat. 3 seasons from now marcum is over 30 years old i really dont think a middle of the rotation type starter over 30 is a untouchable on a rebuilding team with deep starting pitcing. I dont think he gets dealt before the deadline but i think he will be traded within the next year

miller74
07-27-2010, 11:51 AM
The future will see the Jays rotation being Marcum as their opening day starter for at least another 2 to 3 seasons.

The rest of the rotation will be: Romero, Morrow, Cecil, Drabek

Jenkins moves in after he's developed but I think that'll be a while. Marcum isn't going anywhere. AA loves him, the rest of the Jays Roster loves him (he is the reason why most young pitchers are having good years for the Jays), the fans love him. He's staying.

How is that true and how could you possibly know that?

bomber0104
07-27-2010, 11:53 AM
I already corrected myself... I meant that Frasor is average, and fans on here think he's worth Gibson or even Ramos. Sorry, but as a Twins fan, if we trade Ramos for Frasor, were a bunch of idiots.
Ramos should only be traded as part of a package for an absolute stud pitcher/3rd baseman, or straight up for a young stud.

Only one guy said he was worth that.. every other Jays fan on here has told the guy to get real basically

Beastley8
07-27-2010, 11:56 AM
Only one guy said he was worth that.. every other Jays fan on here has told the guy to get real basically
You're right, sorry to lump you together. There have been a couple others that have posted some pretty lopsided deals as well, but you'll have that.

Polandice
07-27-2010, 12:35 PM
Hicks
Benson
Sano
Revere
Ramos

I don't see any of these guys involved if it's for Frasor. If Downs is involved Revere or more likely Ramos would be involved since it would bring back 2 draft picks... This would be a great way to turn over Ramos (who's blocked by mauer).

The Jays would have no interest in Ramos. They already had 2 high catching prospects, before the Halladay deal, in which they got a third.

They would probably be looking at Benson+ in return for Downs.

Beastley8
07-27-2010, 12:39 PM
The Jays would have no interest in Ramos. They already had 2 high catching prospects, before the Halladay deal, in which they got a third.

They would probably be looking at Benson+ in return for Downs.

Makes more sense, as trading a young stud catcher for a reliever rarely makes sense.

I'd do Benson + in a heartbeat as long as it doesn't include Sano, Gibson, Hicks (Gibson and Sano can't be traded anyway).

I think Frasor is more likely, though, which isn't really exciting.

Polandice
07-27-2010, 12:47 PM
Deck McGuire will be up with 2 or 3 years
He is very likeable yes, but hes not going to get much better and if u can get something significant for him AA does it in a heart beat. 3 seasons from now marcum is over 30 years old i really dont think a middle of the rotation type starter over 30 is a untouchable on a rebuilding team with deep starting pitcing. I dont think he gets dealt before the deadline but i think he will be traded within the next year

Deck McGuire has yet to even sign with the Jays, so how can you say he will be up in 2 or 3 years.

Marcum will most likely not be dealt, just because the Jays have control of his contract for 2 more seasons following this one, and is the leader of a young, raw pitching staff.

I think Frasor and/or Tallet are the most likely to go to the twins, with Gregg being a dark horse as well.

Frasor has been sensational since the end of April (which was just brutal for him)

Beastley8
07-27-2010, 01:10 PM
Hearing all of the hate towards Tallet in the Jay forum, I really don't want nothing to do with him haha.

North Yorker
07-27-2010, 01:15 PM
Hearing all of the hate towards Tallet in the Jay forum, I really don't want nothing to do with him haha.

Tsk Tsk:no:

Dont speak bad of the hobo.

He would put any team over the top and I mean ANY! Twins, Braves, Rangers, Heat, Blackhawks,etc.

miller74
07-27-2010, 01:24 PM
Deck McGuire has yet to even sign with the Jays, so how can you say he will be up in 2 or 3 years.

Marcum will most likely not be dealt, just because the Jays have control of his contract for 2 more seasons following this one, and is the leader of a young, raw pitching staff.

I think Frasor and/or Tallet are the most likely to go to the twins, with Gregg being a dark horse as well.

Frasor has been sensational since the end of April (which was just brutal for him)

I got faith in Anthopolus he will get him signed.

projectk7
07-27-2010, 01:35 PM
How is that true and how could you possibly know that?

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/story/?id=327565

"I hate to bring up Doc (Roy Halladay) in kind of a not-so-good way," Cecil said. "But with him here it was a little bit tighter, as far as the pitching staff goes. Now, we have the biggest goofball on the team, Marcum, as our ace, which is awesome. I think that's kind of what we needed." - Brett Cecil

B2theRY
07-27-2010, 02:36 PM
you guys keep saying how the jays would have no interest in a catcher..

the jays want talent..
they will worry about who will play where..

for example.. 1 could change positions.
one could be flippped for another prospect (Like the B. Wallace trade)

stop saying the Jays wont take a catcher.. none of us are the GM of the Jays.

They have clearly stated they will take talent regardless of the position.

so if Minnny offers up Ramos for Downs I doubt AA would turn that down.

B2theRY
07-27-2010, 02:38 PM
Marcum wont go anywhere.. the jays are paying him nothing.
id be shocked if they were to trade the guy.. and if they did they would expect a lot and i mean a lot for him.


Downs, Tallet, Frasor, Gregg should all be dealt by the weekend.

Beastley8
07-27-2010, 02:50 PM
you guys keep saying how the jays would have no interest in a catcher..

the jays want talent..
they will worry about who will play where..

for example.. 1 could change positions.
one could be flippped for another prospect (Like the B. Wallace trade)

stop saying the Jays wont take a catcher.. none of us are the GM of the Jays.

They have clearly stated they will take talent regardless of the position.

so if Minnny offers up Ramos for Downs I doubt AA would turn that down.

I'd ponder a Ramos for Downs type deal, I just don't think it's a slam dunk because it's almost never wise to trade a young talented catcher for a relief pitcher, and the Twins are notorious for overrating their prospects, and for good reason.

I agree 100% with the point you're trying to get acrossed, though.

B2theRY
07-27-2010, 02:56 PM
I think Scott Downs is more valuable than non Jays fans even realize, the ONLY reason why i believe he is even being considered to be dealt is because he is a FA at the end of the season.

The Twins pop our solid prospects like the Octomom pops out kids.. the twinkies always seem to have talent so to trade 1 prospect to get a solid Vet Relief pitcher wont hurt them long term unless their plan is to some how find a new position for Mauer..

dnl123
07-27-2010, 03:07 PM
The Twins are frugal and always have been especially with prospects. Just because the Twins have a lot of prospects doesn't mean they'll trade one away for any deal that pops up.

Kelly Gruber
07-27-2010, 04:42 PM
You'd have to be an idiot to turn down Wilson Ramos because you already have a C prospect or two. C'mon people that's just silly.

B2theRY
07-27-2010, 04:55 PM
I believe Scott Downs is a solid Reliever.

look around the league you find a better reliever for his price and available for trade

StealingSigns
07-28-2010, 12:30 AM
Hearing all of the hate towards Tallet in the Jay forum, I really don't want nothing to do with him haha.

He is quietly putting together a Cy Young campaign. Trust me, you would like him.

I know the Jays don't really need catching prospects, so they would probably entertain an MLB ready catcher. Mauer+ would get the discussion going nicely, with some cash coming back to pay Mauer's freight.
:p

MattyG
07-28-2010, 01:30 AM
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2009mvp
07-28-2010, 01:41 AM
^^How do you figure on 6-7M through arbitration? He's making 4M this year. He's certainly having another solid season but he's a non-closer in his mid-30's, to say he'd get a 50%+ raise to a salary that would put him somewhere in the top 10 of highest paid relievers in baseball through arbitration is a bit ridiculous.