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Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Just heard it on the Giants broadcast since they're playing the D-Backs.

Joe Saunders
Patrcik Corbin
Rafeal Rodriquez
PTBNL

momoneyyyy
07-25-2010, 06:21 PM
i was just watching the d backs game and the giants announcers said that they are saying he has been traded to the angels. i will try to find a source.

sf-fanatic
07-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Yeah...suprised theres no thread or reports of this trade anywhere else. Can't even find it on ESPN and no threads up here, the angels, or dbacks forums.

npjcajun
07-25-2010, 06:22 PM
Pending approval of MLB.

D-Backs get

LHP Saunders
LHP Patrcik Corbin
RHP Rafeal Rodriquez
Player to be Named

nyyfan4life
07-25-2010, 06:23 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

gocubs2118
07-25-2010, 06:24 PM
LHP Patrick Corbin and RHP Rafael Rodriguez also traded to the D-Backs.

npjcajun
07-25-2010, 06:24 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

The Angels got him not the Yankees.

Mike Oxlong
07-25-2010, 06:25 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

Go ride a bus.

momoneyyyy
07-25-2010, 06:25 PM
so haren traded to angels the al west race just got a lil tougher

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:25 PM
The Angels got him not the Yankees.

It's called sarcasm.

VenezuelanMet
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
Well, Saunders is a pretty bad pitcher, who are the other guys? anyone good?

npjcajun
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
LHP Patrick Corbin and RHP Rafael Rodriguez also traded to the D-Backs.

and player to be named

1903
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
Go ride a bus.

Do you ride the short bus?

defender4m
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
just said it on the mets game

iam brett favre
07-25-2010, 06:26 PM
:(

papipapsmanny
07-25-2010, 06:27 PM
Wow D-Backs get raped

Ragun
07-25-2010, 06:27 PM
The Angels got him not the Yankees.

haha...i guess you dont get the joke.

YadiSTL
07-25-2010, 06:28 PM
Damn

jetsfan28
07-25-2010, 06:30 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

Trading prospects for a player on a reasonable contract is not buying him. Spending $350 million on two players in the same offseason is. I never understood why Yankee fans use situations like these as an argument against them buying players when the two aren't remotely related.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:31 PM
Even though I don't see the Angels doing anything this year it's a pretty good deal for them.

bartoron
07-25-2010, 06:32 PM
Well, that was unexpected.

Sick Of It All
07-25-2010, 06:32 PM
This looks like an awful deal for the the D-Backs.

Is that what being blown away means?

Jeffy25
07-25-2010, 06:33 PM
The Angels got him not the Yankees.

this would be sarcasm I assume making fun of all the people that say the Yankees buy championships

avrpatsfan
07-25-2010, 06:34 PM
What a **** trade. Too bad the Red Sox rotation is filled because I would have loved Haren so cheap.

jetsfan89
07-25-2010, 06:34 PM
This looks like an awful deal for the the D-Backs.

Is that what being blown away means?

maybe he was literally blown away

Jeffy25
07-25-2010, 06:35 PM
terrible return for d'backs

npjcajun
07-25-2010, 06:36 PM
haha...i guess you dont get the joke.

Guess I didn't.....but do now.

1903
07-25-2010, 06:36 PM
D'backs were blown away with Joe Saunders lack of talent.

npjcajun
07-25-2010, 06:36 PM
Yeah bad deal for D-Backs and helps Angels greatly.

Garrett39
07-25-2010, 06:36 PM
Good trade for the Angels, Haren's awesome!!

Zaunnie
07-25-2010, 06:37 PM
:facepalm:

papipapsmanny
07-25-2010, 06:37 PM
This GM for the D-Backs should just be fired now, like Joe Saunders........ Really? Terrible

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:37 PM
maybe he was literally blown away

Maybe he was blown.

1903
07-25-2010, 06:38 PM
I predict Joe Saunders wins 20 games next season.

Zaunnie
07-25-2010, 06:38 PM
Maybe he was blown.

:rimshot:

Zmaster52
07-25-2010, 06:39 PM
Goddammit. ****

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 06:40 PM
If the PTBNL is Mike Trout, Tony Reagins needs to be fired. Even after he just pulled this trade off.

the nightman
07-25-2010, 06:41 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

go get hit by a bus

kv9588
07-25-2010, 06:41 PM
If the PTNL is Mike Trout, Tony Reagins needs to be fired. Even after he just pulled this trade off.

Ya it better not be trout or conger.

Pride
07-25-2010, 06:43 PM
The PTBNL has to be someone good or else this just doesn't make sense. Hell, even the Yankee's package was better than this.

Edit: The PTBNL is supposedly a top prospect according to Nick Piecoro of the Arizona Republic.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Wow... what in the world are the D-Backs doing. This is actually worse than our Cliff Lee deal.

PhillyMac
07-25-2010, 06:45 PM
apparently the PTBNL is a top prospect according to this guy http://twitter.com/nickpiecoro/status/19525646315 who is a reporter in arizona...

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:46 PM
Wow... what in the world are the D-Backs doing. This is actually worse than our Cliff Lee deal.

Still need to see the PTBNL to make a conclusion.

Burkey3472
07-25-2010, 06:47 PM
That PTBNL better be really good because this trade is nothing special.

Hunter48MVP
07-25-2010, 06:48 PM
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!When the Angels traded for Alberto Callaspo. I thought the Angels should fire Tony Reagins. But I always thought the Angels had a chance to Dan Haren when I saw in espn MLB rumor central that the Angels would like to add a arm by the deadline. Then I thought DAN HAREN. Man Reagins is the man. I got the news on SportCenter. Dude I was jumping and screaming and ran to my brother and he was asleep. Man! he was scared out of his mind. He thought our dog died. I told him that the ANGELS ACQUIRE DAN HAREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rivera
07-25-2010, 06:48 PM
What a **** trade. Too bad the Red Sox rotation is filled because I would have loved Haren so cheap.


If we tried we might of been able to get haren for manny delcarmen straight up. Mayb throw in a player to b named later

Twitchy
07-25-2010, 06:49 PM
Unless the PTBNL is Trout or someone along those lines this is an awful deal for the Dbacks. There isn't a single good player going their way as of right now, not knowing who the PTBNL is. I honestly can't believe they'd let an interim-GM trade one of their best players.

It looks especially bad when you figure they gave up Brett Anderson & Carlos Gonzalez, among others.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 06:50 PM
Still need to see the PTBNL to make a conclusion.

The PTBNL is rarely anyone worth mentioning. Usually just organization fillers. Haren has another 3 years on his deal at a favorable salary clip. This trade is just a train wreck. The M's just got Justin Smoak for half a year of Cliff Lee. The package the D-backs got doesn't come close to Smoak and that's for 3+ years of Haren.

Pride
07-25-2010, 06:51 PM
^^ Could be someone drafted last year.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:51 PM
The PTBNL is rarely anyone worth mentioning. Usually just organization fillers.

Not true, it could be because the player was drafted last year.

nr19
07-25-2010, 06:52 PM
Everyone said this wouldn't be a salary dump but it sure looks like one.

PhillyMac
07-25-2010, 06:52 PM
Unless the PTBNL is Trout or someone along those lines this is an awful deal for the Dbacks. There isn't a single good player going their way as of right now, not knowing who the PTBNL is. I honestly can't believe they'd let an interim-GM trade one of their best players.

It looks especially bad when you figure they gave up Brett Anderson & Carlos Gonzalez, among others.

its not trout, at least thats whats being reported

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 06:52 PM
Not Trout :pray:

http://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/19526143491

whitesoxfan83
07-25-2010, 06:53 PM
The PTBNL is rarely anyone worth mentioning. Usually just organization fillers.

Usually but not always.

PTBNL end up being significant some of the time.

Truth is no one can ever say if a trade is bad or not until 2-3 years down the line.

Right now though this looks pretty underwhelming for the DBacks who are looking more and more like one of the worst run franchises in baseball...

I mean they didnt even match what they gave up for Haren in the first place!

Twitchy
07-25-2010, 06:53 PM
its not trout, at least thats whats being reported

I don't expect it to be Trout, but unless he's in it than this deal is gonna look just as bad, and maybe worse than the original Kazmir deal or the Liriano deal. It's just mind bogglingly stupid. It's basically a salary dump because none of those guys, prospects or Saunders, are remotely useful.

Makes no sense to salary dump Haren but that's pretty much what they did. It's not like he's expensive either.

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 06:54 PM
Could be Peter Bourjos or Hank Conger.

The Jokemaker
07-25-2010, 06:54 PM
Good move by the angels. They needed to make a move. Alwaysnthe surprise team atthe last minute who gets him! Glad the yanks didn't trade
For him

homie564
07-25-2010, 06:56 PM
I heard on the radio coming home that it might be Hank Conger.

mdlr52192
07-25-2010, 06:56 PM
I think this was more of a salary dump especially because the D-Backs are looking to rebuild, although I think they could've gotten a better deal, this serves its purpose somewhat

ragman
07-25-2010, 06:56 PM
Meh.

Haren's nothing special. He's 7-8 this season with a 4.60 ERA.

TheRuckus
07-25-2010, 06:56 PM
What a terrible ****ing deal for Arizona.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:57 PM
Meh.

Haren's nothing special. He's 7-8 this season with a 4.60 ERA.

lulz

dodgersuck
07-25-2010, 06:58 PM
**** trade for Dbacks ieven if it is Conger. Joe Saunders? Really?

The Dream
07-25-2010, 06:59 PM
Wow you guys really overrate Dan Haren

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 06:59 PM
ouch...sorry dbacks..

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:59 PM
Wow you guys really overrate Dan Haren

No we don't. He's one of the best pitchers in the game.

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 07:00 PM
Cliff Lee to the bronx..that's a damm sure thing...

theLgndKllr35
07-25-2010, 07:00 PM
What a terrible ****ing deal for Arizona.

My thoughts exactly. Sets the bar even lower for Oswalt.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:01 PM
Could be Peter Bourjos or Hank Conger.

Even they aren't blue chip prospects. They are decent guys that might be starters down the road. The only blue chipper in the Angels system is Trout (who is said to not be in the deal). When you have a pitcher like Haren, who is a top 15-20 starter in the league, that is controlled for 3+ years at a decent price: You absolutely need to get a blue chipper.

Super.
07-25-2010, 07:01 PM
The Yankees at it again. Buying championships...

Those Bastards!

ragman
07-25-2010, 07:01 PM
Wow you guys really overrate Dan Haren

Agreed. Sure, he has a lot of K's, but he's an average pitcher at best.

1903
07-25-2010, 07:01 PM
Wow you guys really overrate Dan Haren

You underrate him.

theslick1
07-25-2010, 07:02 PM
No we don't. He's one of the best pitchers in the game.

If he's still one of the best pitchers in the game, why is his ERA 4.60, why does he lead the majors in hits allowed, and why does he lead the majors in HR allowed?

VRP723
07-25-2010, 07:03 PM
It's good to know that the D'Backs aren't going to be good any time soon.

yfern328
07-25-2010, 07:03 PM
The DBacks got absolutely raped. Sauders, a single A pitcher with upside, a middle reliever and a PTBNL???? That guy better be at minimum Wood or another top guy otherwise as I said, raped.

Ian.
07-25-2010, 07:04 PM
Oh my God. Such a horredous trade for the Diamondbacks.

theslick1
07-25-2010, 07:06 PM
Even they aren't blue chip prospects. They are decent guys that might be starters down the road. The only blue chipper in the Angels system is Trout (who is said to not be in the deal). When you have a pitcher like Haren, who is a top 15-20 starter in the league, that is controlled for 3+ years at a decent price: You absolutely need to get a blue chipper.

As for the decent price part, Haren is owed $25M over the next two seasons, has a 4.60 ERA and leads the league in hits allowed and HR allowed. He is not earning what he's being paid this season. On top of that, he's pitching in no pressure games since the D-backs blow and he pitches in a lot of the NL West parks that are pitcher-friendly. I wouldn't expect miracles upon his return to the AL. I may be the only one, but I'm just glad he didn't end up in pinstripes.

theLgndKllr35
07-25-2010, 07:06 PM
This makes me question if Amaro even offered Werth straight up...

The Dream
07-25-2010, 07:06 PM
No we don't. He's one of the best pitchers in the game.

Hahahah:facepalm: okay man, we'll see

Kinsm
07-25-2010, 07:06 PM
The PTBNL better be a damn good prospect.

Super.
07-25-2010, 07:07 PM
Ew such a bad trade for the D-Backs

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:08 PM
If he's still one of the best pitchers in the game, why is his ERA 4.60, why does he lead the majors in hits allowed, and why does he lead the majors in HR allowed?

Because he plays in a band box and is having a down year. Are you really dismissing what he's done the last 5 years because of half of a bad season?

DBlue1983
07-25-2010, 07:09 PM
Off the top of my head, I don't know too much about the prospects that the Angels gave up, but going from Saunders to Haren is a very good deal in my opinion. Saunders has had his moments with the Angels, but Haren is a huge upgrade. I guess it will really all matter on who the player to be named later is.

1903
07-25-2010, 07:09 PM
Because he plays in a band box and is having a down year. Are you really dismissing what he's done the last 5 years because of half of a bad season?

He has a high ERA this season which means his career is over. ERA tells all. :facepalm:

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:10 PM
The PTBNL better be a damn good prospect.

It says its a top prospect but its not trout.

elizur
07-25-2010, 07:10 PM
Meh.

Haren's nothing special. He's 7-8 this season with a 4.60 ERA.

Not true. Haren is something special.

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:11 PM
Hopefully the Phillies can grab Oswalt now that Haren is gone.

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 07:11 PM
Hahahah:facepalm: okay man, we'll see

I'm borrowing this from you: :facepalm:

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:11 PM
As for the decent price part, Haren is owed $25M over the next two seasons, has a 4.60 ERA and leads the league in hits allowed and HR allowed. He is not earning what he's being paid this season. On top of that, he's pitching in no pressure games since the D-backs blow and he pitches in a lot of the NL West parks that are pitcher-friendly. I wouldn't expect miracles upon his return to the AL. I may be the only one, but I'm just glad he didn't end up in pinstripes.

Again, how can you dismiss what he's done for five years because of one-half of a bad season. Cliff Lee had an ERA over 6, 2 years after he won the Cy Young. Is A.J. Burnett a complete scrub because he has an ERA near 5?

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:12 PM
What in god's ****ing name were the Diamondbacks thinking? Seriously? Joe ****ing Saunders? Jesus H. Christ what in hell is Arizona doing?

tgddg1
07-25-2010, 07:12 PM
Great move by the Angels. I think they will make one more move for a bat also......

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:14 PM
Who's running the show up in Arizona now that they shitcanned Byrnes? Because, here's the thing: should have kept Byrnes if this is the ******** moves they're going to make.

theslick1
07-25-2010, 07:15 PM
Because he plays in a band box and is having a down year. Are you really dismissing what he's done the last 5 years because of half of a bad season?

Because he plays in a bandbox? He played in the same bandbox last year and didn't suck. Did the bandbox get smaller?

I'm not dismissing what he's done in the past 5 years but those are the past 5 years. What I'm curious about is why he sucks so bad THIS year. When pitchers go bad, there is usually a reason.

MattColby
07-25-2010, 07:16 PM
Great move by the Angels. The D-backs got molested. Joe Saunders is terrible.

Ian.
07-25-2010, 07:17 PM
I know they say it isn't Trout but he's the only top prospect that would need to be a PTBNL.

If it is him, I like it much, much more.

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:17 PM
Because he plays in a bandbox? He played in the same bandbox last year and didn't suck. Did the bandbox get smaller?

I'm not dismissing what he's done in the past 5 years but those are the past 5 years. What I'm curious about is why he sucks so bad THIS year. When pitchers go bad, there is usually a reason.

Or, ya know, it could just be a bad season. Those happen every so often.

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:19 PM
I know they say it isn't Trout but he's the only top prospect that would need to be a PTBNL.

If it is him, I like it much, much more.

It's the only way this trade makes sense. I just don't think it's going to be Trout. I really wouldn't be shocked if it was one of the kids LAA drafted this season. I think there's rules about when they can get dealt (correct me if I'm wrong) and a PTBNL gives 6 months lee-way, which should, I think, circumvent that rule allowing Arizona to pick up one of those kids.

ragman
07-25-2010, 07:19 PM
Great move by the Angels. The D-backs got molested. Joe Saunders is terrible.

He sure is. He's 6-10.

theslick1
07-25-2010, 07:20 PM
Or, ya know, it could just be a bad season. Those happen every so often.

Yeah I know. Barry Zito strung together three of them after being one of the game's best pitchers.

Lloyd Christmas
07-25-2010, 07:20 PM
Everyone who thinks Haren isn't a top 10 pitcher in baseball either hasn't seen him pitch, or is a ****** (pronounced the way Alan from the hangover says it)

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:20 PM
As for the decent price part, Haren is owed $25M over the next two seasons, has a 4.60 ERA and leads the league in hits allowed and HR allowed. He is not earning what he's being paid this season. On top of that, he's pitching in no pressure games since the D-backs blow and he pitches in a lot of the NL West parks that are pitcher-friendly. I wouldn't expect miracles upon his return to the AL. I may be the only one, but I'm just glad he didn't end up in pinstripes.

You are basing all of this on a half of season. He has been a great pitcher prior to this season. A change from Arizona is exactly what he needed. Pitching in low pressure situations might be taking his edge away. Getting back into a play off race with a much better team in the Angels is exactly what he needs. His contract is extremely friendly and he is well worth the risk for the crap they got in return.

Ian.
07-25-2010, 07:21 PM
It's the only way this trade makes sense. I just don't think it's going to be Trout. I really wouldn't be shocked if it was one of the kids LAA drafted this season. I think there's rules about when they can get dealt (correct me if I'm wrong) and a PTBNL gives 6 months lee-way, which should, I think, circumvent that rule allowing Arizona to pick up one of those kids.

They have to be signed for a year before they can be traded.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:21 PM
Because he plays in a bandbox? He played in the same bandbox last year and didn't suck. Did the bandbox get smaller?

I'm not dismissing what he's done in the past 5 years but those are the past 5 years. What I'm curious about is why he sucks so bad THIS year. When pitchers go bad, there is usually a reason.

It's usually just a mechanics adjustment that is needed. Randy Johnson was having a down year by his terms in 98 with an ERA in the mid 4's when he was traded to Houston. He went on to dominate the rest of the season and won 4 cy-young's after that.

I mentioned Cliff Lee who had a disastrous season in the middle of 2 cy-young campaigns. It is a regular occurrence for a starter to have a down season from time to time. 5 years of ace like numbers trumps a bad half-season. If he continues to suck for 2 seasons, then you might be onto something. However, he's not even 30 years old yet and I'm not buying that he's finished because of 20 bad starts.

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:21 PM
They have to be signed for a year before they can be traded.

I knew there was a time period. I forgot if it was a year or 6 months. Gracias.

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:22 PM
Everyone who thinks Haren isn't a top 10 pitcher in baseball either hasn't seen him pitch, or is a ****** (pronounced the way Alan from the hangover says it)

I wouldn't say he is a top 10 pitcher... But he is a very very good number 2 and has top 10 talent to be an ace. Well worth what was given up considering his contract and the type of pitcher he can be.

DBlue1983
07-25-2010, 07:22 PM
Seems like the AL West might be one of the best divisions in the coming years. The Angels have had a down year, but they still have the talent and just made a great trade. Texas is turning into a very good team...as long as their financial situation doesn't hurt them too much. I think Seattle and Oakland, especially Seattle, had the talent to be better this year as well. If they can get things on track, it could be a division with a lot of talent.

Ian.
07-25-2010, 07:22 PM
Haren is still a very good pitcher. Elite K/BB stats and a high BABIP.

Did someone really say different?

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:23 PM
It's the only way this trade makes sense. I just don't think it's going to be Trout. I really wouldn't be shocked if it was one of the kids LAA drafted this season. I think there's rules about when they can get dealt (correct me if I'm wrong) and a PTBNL gives 6 months lee-way, which should, I think, circumvent that rule allowing Arizona to pick up one of those kids.

Its not trout. Its on the rumors site. They have a list of top players they can choose from and he is not on that list.

theslick1
07-25-2010, 07:23 PM
You are basing all of this on a half of season. He has been a great pitcher prior to this season. A change from Arizona is exactly what he needed. Pitching in low pressure situations might be taking his edge away. Getting back into a play off race with a much better team in the Angels is exactly what he needs. His contract is extremely friendly and he is well worth the risk for the crap they got in return.

His contract is "friendly" if he remembers how he pitched last year. If he continues to pitch like he has been doing this year, he's no bargain.

The Dream
07-25-2010, 07:23 PM
I'm borrowing this from you: :facepalm:

Ur facepalming me because I said you guys overrate Dan Haren and that i disagreed with the guy who said haren is one of the best in the game.

haha okay ... now because he's an Angel you agree he's one of the best! Makes sense

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
I don't think you can make a case that he is any worse than the top 20. Coming into the season I put him in the back end of the top 10. I would probably put him somewhere around 12-14 now.

yfern328
07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
That PTBNL is absolutely huge. If it's not a top guy like Trout this deal is a complete fail by the DBacks. The Yanks had a better deal, and I'm sure many other teams could have offered much better.

idrinkpepsi
07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
That AL West race is looking nice going into August.

mattz1212
07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Josh Byrnes must be laughing his *** off right now.

I seriously can't even make sense of this trade for the DBacks or why they felt rushed to make this deal with an interim GM at the helm. They should have just waited until the offseason to deal Haren.

1908_Cubs
07-25-2010, 07:24 PM
Yeah I know. Barry Zito strung together three of them after being one of the game's best pitchers.

Zito still has an xFIP of 4.7+, a pretty high walk rate, an uninspiring K.9 rate and a FB% that's really high with a low HR%. I wouldn't call that near "game's best pitchers". But I digress...

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:25 PM
His contract is "friendly" if he remembers how he pitched last year. If he continues to pitch like he has been doing this year, he's no bargain.

Even at his current pace he has been worth 2.6 WAR, which with the remaining 12-13 starts he has, would put him around a 4.0 WAR season. The contract is still fair even if he continues what he's done this season (which is unlikely).

DBlue1983
07-25-2010, 07:26 PM
His contract is "friendly" if he remembers how he pitched last year. If he continues to pitch like he has been doing this year, he's no bargain.

He may currently be struggling, but I don't see any reason to expect him to pitch more how he usually does than what he's currently doing. Maybe he has some lingering injury no one knows about, maybe he needs to make some small mechanical adjustment, maybe a new team will give him a fresh start, or maybe the cards just haven't fallen in his favor this year and has one of bad seasons everyone else seem to get. Even the best players are immune from struggling and having bad years every so often.

lavell12
07-25-2010, 07:26 PM
solid move but I think Haren is a guy who can be solid and gives u a chance to win but I don't see him as ace of a playoff team. The Angels still won't make the post season.

yfern328
07-25-2010, 07:26 PM
That AL West race is looking nice going into August.

I don't think so, I think the Rangers are going to walk away with the West regardless of this move. I will say that this is a great move for next year because Mr. Lee will not be resigning in Arlington. Having Haren at the top of that rotation with Weaver and Santana gives them a jump start for next year. I think Texas' offense is too good. If they add anything which now I think they will, they are going to be deadly.

lavell12
07-25-2010, 07:27 PM
I'm thinking the D-Backs will trade Saunders in another deal. I know he is young but moving him would probably make more sense than keeping him.

netsgiantsyanks
07-25-2010, 07:28 PM
The Angels got him not the Yankees.

it was a joke

Yankees Suck
07-25-2010, 07:29 PM
With Haren going to the Angles that means the Yankees missed on two straight pitchers they wanted. This might literally be the sign of the apocalypse.

netsgiantsyanks
07-25-2010, 07:30 PM
no hate for him getting traded to the angels?? lol. it figures. if he was traded to the yankees, this thread would be filled with hate.

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 07:30 PM
Ur facepalming me because I said you guys overrate Dan Haren and that i disagreed with the guy who said haren is one of the best in the game.

haha okay ... now because he's an Angel you agree he's one of the best! Makes sense

He's been one of the best over the past 3-4 seasons. I'm a baseball fan first, Angels fan second. I know who he his and what he's done in this league. Don't go there with me.

CarniifeX
07-25-2010, 07:35 PM
Wow. Saunders was in tears in the pre game show. Sad.

Giannis94
07-25-2010, 07:39 PM
I like it for the Angles, I woulda demanded Trout

Jays Claw
07-25-2010, 07:39 PM
The Diamondbacks got a package full of **** in return. :facepalm:

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:39 PM
stop being a homer

Not a homer statement at all. He has been very good.

The Slave
07-25-2010, 07:39 PM
If the PTBL is any one of Hank Conger, Trevor Reckling, or Bourjos, I think D-backs did okay. Not great, but okay.

What else do you expect for a guy who is having a sub par season, and has money left on his deal.

homie564
07-25-2010, 07:40 PM
He sure is. He's 6-10.

And I'm 5'9... What's your point? Size means NOTHING in baseball.

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 07:40 PM
With Haren going to the Angles that means the Yankees missed on two straight pitchers they wanted. This might literally be the sign of the apocalypse.

This means cliff lee is booked to be in ny...

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:40 PM
It said on espn news... the Player to be named later is off of a short list... That list depends on how Haren pitches for the Angels. That is another win for the Angels because even if he ends up laying an egg the rest of the season {which is unlikely} they would basically get a crap spec.

homie564
07-25-2010, 07:41 PM
IF trout is in this deal.. the dbacks didnt get raped.. but i still think they could've gotten more out of a guy who has been probably a top 5 pitcher in the majors over the last 5 seasons.

mattz1212
07-25-2010, 07:42 PM
a lot of people in ari*ona are speculating that the PTBNL is Tyler Skaggs.

http://phoenix.rssible.com/2010/07/25/sports620ktar-ptbnl-rt-burns620-rt-keithlaw-arizona-loved-tyler-skaggs-in-the-2009-draft-considered-him-with-those-back-to-back-picks-at-16-17/

EDIT: This is mostly via Keith Law

idrinkpepsi
07-25-2010, 07:43 PM
IF trout is in this deal.. the dbacks didnt get raped.. but i still think they could've gotten more out of a guy who has been probably a top 5 pitcher in the majors over the last 5 seasons.

MLB TR already reported the PTBNL will not be Michael Trout.

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:43 PM
IF trout is in this deal.. the dbacks didnt get raped.. but i still think they could've gotten more out of a guy who has been probably a top 5 pitcher in the majors over the last 5 seasons.

Its not trout... but if it was it is still a bad trade for Arizona. They could and should have gotten more. No excuse.

Yankees Suck
07-25-2010, 07:43 PM
This means cliff lee is booked to be in ny...

I heard that recently. Lee was supposed to go and Haren was supposed to go. Everyone is supposed to go but for some reason it is not happening.

Mell413
07-25-2010, 07:44 PM
Not sure what Arizona is thinking here. Haren isn't terribly expensive. He's still a good pitcher. This just screams like a salary dump to me. They better be getting someone like Conger back.

homie564
07-25-2010, 07:44 PM
This means cliff lee is booked to be in ny...

I honestly think new york will get a second rate pitcher.. not an ace type guy

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:44 PM
I heard that recently. Lee was supposed to go and Haren was supposed to go. Everyone is supposed to go but for some reason it is not happening.

They will probably get him... It will be a good move but a really bad deal. He wants and will get from them Sabathia money. That is a bad contract waiting to happen.

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:45 PM
Not sure what Arizona is thinking here. Haren isn't terribly expensive. He's still a good pitcher. This just screams like a salary dump to me. They better be getting someone like Conger back.

agreed... It looks like a salary dump and that's a shame for the fans in Arizona.

Twitchy
07-25-2010, 07:47 PM
On the bright side, it looks like KC has a new competitor for The Contest

Edit: If Mattz is right and Skaggs is the PTBNL than that's interesting. He's a very good prospect. Still a lousy deal, but at least they got some talent back. Not enough though.

Yankees Suck
07-25-2010, 07:48 PM
They will probably get him... It will be a good move but a really bad deal. He wants and will get from them Sabathia money. That is a bad contract waiting to happen.

I think the Yanks are truly better off without Haren. They should go get Brett Myers on the Astros. The Yanks would not have to trade much for him and they would get a solid starter.

mdlr52192
07-25-2010, 07:48 PM
stop being a homer

2008- 16-8, 3.33 ERA, 216.0 IP, 206 Ks, 1.13 WHIP, 5.15 K/BB, 4.8 WAR

2009- 14-10, 3.14 ERA, 229.1 IP, 223 Ks 1.00 WHIP, 5.87 K/BB, 6.0 WAR

He's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO overrated :facepalm:

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:51 PM
On the bright side, it looks like KC has a new competitor for The Contest

Edit: If Mattz is right and Skaggs is the PTBNL than that's interesting. He's a very good prospect. Still a lousy deal, but at least they got some talent back. Not enough though.

Speaking of The Contest... The Royals and Mets are discussing a possible Meche for Perez swap :laugh2:

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514478

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 07:55 PM
Speaking of The Contest... The Royals and Mets are discussing a possible Meche for Perez swap :laugh2:

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=514478

:worthy::laugh:

GA16Angels
07-25-2010, 08:52 PM
According to Nick Piecoro it's going to be Tyler Skaggs. Angels still win it.

WickedBadMan
07-25-2010, 08:56 PM
That's the best they could get?

natepro
07-25-2010, 08:57 PM
Did anyone else just hear this idiot on Sunday Night Baseball said he couldn't figure out why the Angels would make this move, and that they might move Haren again for more offense?

Jeffy25
07-25-2010, 09:08 PM
Did anyone else just hear this idiot on Sunday Night Baseball said he couldn't figure out why the Angels would make this move, and that they might move Haren again for more offense?

yeah, that would be surprising.

iam brett favre
07-25-2010, 09:10 PM
sounds like its for skaggs..is he good?

AllTimeBest
07-25-2010, 09:20 PM
Skaggs is apparently the 8th best prospect by the Angels going into the season.

Fact is that this is a great deal for the Angels. For this year and next year. No matter what they traded. This team is starting to see the Rangers and their young players take over the division with a bunch of young players. The Angels do not have the young players to compete with the Rangers in the future category, so they have to start going with a "year by year" basis. Right now they are comfortable with their lineup. They would like to get a 1B, but the biggest question was their rotation.

They match the Rangers Cliff Lee with Dan Haren, and stay right in the fight for the division title. I picked the Angels to win the division so hopefully this move helps them make up the ground between them and the Rangers.

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 09:20 PM
I heard that recently. Lee was supposed to go and Haren was supposed to go. Everyone is supposed to go but for some reason it is not happening.

wanna bet on it? Lee is big locked to go to NY.. Seattle pick the rangers in a lee deal..As for haren..Cashman did not want to part with joba and some other prospects..Also another reason as stated by joel sherman is the yanks would have difficulty to sign lee if they got haren..Since pettite may return..That made them think twice before doing a haren deal..
No way cash let lee go to another team...He even tried to trade montero for him..As he said lee was an exception and one of a kind..So they will do all in their power to sign him..

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 09:27 PM
I honestly think new york will get a second rate pitcher.. not an ace type guy

If lee is available its a no brainer..they will sign him..Remember they were willing to surrender their top prospect for him..Eventhough the rotation was full.. (pettite was not injured by that time) At the end of the season javy and andy will be FA..so I think the management will do everything to land lee..He will be the no 1 target..Add to the fact that only money and a 1st round pick is needed.

Young2Kinsler
07-25-2010, 09:35 PM
Wow, Arizona bent over and took it in the *** on this one. Hey dumbasses, next time you want to give some one away, don't do it in our division.

Young2Kinsler
07-25-2010, 09:36 PM
I think this makes the AL West really fun to watch the rest of the way.... hope Texas can add a decent bat before the deadline.

AllTimeBest
07-25-2010, 09:38 PM
I think this makes the AL West really fun to watch the rest of the way.... hope Texas can add a decent bat before the deadline.

To be honest I think the Angels need a bat more then the Rangers do. I love the Rangers lineup. Where do they need a bat? 1B is the only hole. How much are you willing to give up for a guy like Wiggington who would be a 2 month rental? The Rangers have Andrus, Young, Kinsler, Vlad, Hamilton, Cruz, Molina, Davis. Wiggington would certainly be a great bat to slide into the 6 or 7 hole in that lineup, but I think the Rangers need to role with what they have now. This team has the potential to rule the division for a long time if they can afford to keep these young guys. Don't ruin that future for a one year risk.

SouljahPhil...
07-25-2010, 09:56 PM
I still think the rangers take the division..

Ty Fast
07-25-2010, 09:58 PM
great trade for the angels
weaver and harren will be a great 1 - 2 punch

zambo4president
07-25-2010, 09:59 PM
Uhhh Joe Saunders sucks. Anyone else think Angels might flip Haren for some offense?

Ty Fast
07-25-2010, 10:00 PM
Uhhh Joe Saunders sucks. Anyone else think Angels might flip Haren for some offense?

no. weaver and harren are the futrue for that team

Young2Kinsler
07-25-2010, 10:11 PM
Uhhh Joe Saunders sucks. Anyone else think Angels might flip Haren for some offense?

No Bobby V, we don't. What a horrible idea.

Young2Kinsler
07-25-2010, 10:12 PM
To be honest I think the Angels need a bat more then the Rangers do. I love the Rangers lineup. Where do they need a bat? 1B is the only hole. How much are you willing to give up for a guy like Wiggington who would be a 2 month rental? The Rangers have Andrus, Young, Kinsler, Vlad, Hamilton, Cruz, Molina, Davis. Wiggington would certainly be a great bat to slide into the 6 or 7 hole in that lineup, but I think the Rangers need to role with what they have now. This team has the potential to rule the division for a long time if they can afford to keep these young guys. Don't ruin that future for a one year risk.

I'd like a Cantu or Wigginton, but I do think we would have to give up more than I want. I don't want an everyday starter, but some one who can give Young a rest at 3rd a couple times a month, platoon with Davis, and be a nice right handed pinch hitter is needed. Personally I like Wes Helms, think he would come cheap.

Jays Claw
07-25-2010, 10:14 PM
Wow, Arizona bent over and took it in the *** on this one.

I couldn't agree more.

curtisjr08
07-25-2010, 10:20 PM
Im ashamed of being a diamondbacks fan, how do you screw this one up seriously??? One has to wonder what kinda drugs they are smokn when they looked at this offer. To not even get one let alone two top prospects and just get a bunch of washed up pitchers, what idiots we have in the front office

Agar81
07-25-2010, 10:45 PM
:laugh: at the dbacks. josh byrnes is definitely amused at this

Strike89
07-25-2010, 10:46 PM
I'm still scratching my head over this. I see no benefit from the D'backs perspective.

The Jokemaker
07-25-2010, 11:25 PM
Awful trade from the Dbacks. This team has no idea where it's going and basically just handed Haren away. But hey maybe they know something we don't. Wonder what it would take to get Upton?

Great move by the Angels though. Upgraded their staff without giving up anything of real value. This will definitely make things even more interesting in the AL West. And ya know if it was the Yankees who made this type of deal, every one and their brother would be hating on them... just saying!

d79cheese
07-25-2010, 11:32 PM
If he's still one of the best pitchers in the game, why is his ERA 4.60, why does he lead the majors in hits allowed, and why does he lead the majors in HR allowed?

and why does he strike out nearly 5 batters for every walk???? you're right, haren sux:cool:

theslick1
07-26-2010, 12:11 AM
and why does he strike out nearly 5 batters for every walk???? you're right, haren sux:cool:

I said if he is one of the best pitchers in the NL, why does he lead the league in hits allowed and HRs allowed. Good job not answering the question.

theslick1
07-26-2010, 12:13 AM
2008- 16-8, 3.33 ERA, 216.0 IP, 206 Ks, 1.13 WHIP, 5.15 K/BB, 4.8 WAR

2009- 14-10, 3.14 ERA, 229.1 IP, 223 Ks 1.00 WHIP, 5.87 K/BB, 6.0 WAR

He's SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO overrated :facepalm:

Why did you leave his 2010 numbers out?

zambo4president
07-26-2010, 12:47 AM
No Bobby V, we don't. What a horrible idea.

I wasn't serious I was making fun of Bobby myself.

Zmaster52
07-26-2010, 12:48 AM
Maybe we can trade Ollie for Upton :shrug:

YadiSTL
07-26-2010, 12:48 AM
:facepalm::laugh: D'backs should have said Trout or no deal.

More-Than-Most
07-26-2010, 12:52 AM
:facepalm::laugh: D'backs should have said Trout or no deal.

Should have just went with that period... see the Bold lol. Even with trout the deal still wouldn't be good. Its a shame because the Phillies offered a similar deal but would not give up singleton so they went with the angels.

Young2Kinsler
07-26-2010, 01:03 AM
I don't get the D-Backs. Coming into the season, they had a younger team with a solid rotation and developing batters. Their bullpen fell apart on them, but that just happens, bullpens are fickle. To me, this is a clear step back with their organization. Sure they save some money from Haren to Saunders, but Joe is still due 6M next season with arbitration raises coming. To me, he is a significantly worse talent, and the prospects they got back are middle of the road at best.

I thought this organization had gone mad when they let Josh Byrnes go, now I know they have.

d79cheese
07-26-2010, 01:07 AM
I said if he is one of the best pitchers in the NL, why does he lead the league in hits allowed and HRs allowed. Good job not answering the question.


lol another person that values stats from 4 months instead of 4 years :facepalm:

it's called having a bad first half and a BABIP of .350 when for your career that number is .304

9.00 K/9, 1.85 BB/9, 4.86 K/BB are still elite type numbers

rkelly7
07-26-2010, 01:24 AM
I said if he is one of the best pitchers in the NL, why does he lead the league in hits allowed and HRs allowed. Good job not answering the question.

Maybe he hasn't been on his game this year, but he is still one of the best pitchers in the MLB. He has been an ace the past 3 years and it's not like this half a season is going to define his career. Don't be jealous b/c the Yanks didn't get him. I bet you would say he is the best in the MLB if your team got him... just saying.

ciaban
07-26-2010, 07:30 AM
When Arizona traded for Dan Haren they had arguably the most tallented minor system in all of the MLB. They traded, Carlos González, Brett Anderson, Aaron Cunningham, Greg Smith, Dana Eveland, and Chris Carter, and involved in that trade was Carlos Quinten going to chisox for Chris Carter so they could trade him to Oakland, looking at this trade it doesn't matter if they kept Quinten or trade for carter. They lost out on car-go who looks to 20-20 this year maybe even 25-25, Brett Anderson who is a front of the line ace carter/quinten (which ever) carter has one of the best bats in all of the minor league, all of these young men could be up right now producing, and all they got back for haren, Joe Saunders. Dan Haren killed the Dbacks.

LeWade>Kobe
07-26-2010, 07:35 AM
haha yes he did, but I'm a giants fan so it's all gravy baby.. You from san jose too?

AllTimeBest
07-26-2010, 07:47 AM
I disagree. Dan Haren is an ace. None of those other guys are. If they would have been patient and done a better job building around him we wouldn't have this conversation. They have a very solid lineup with some young up and coming players. Instead of being patient they sold the bank though.

Ian.
07-26-2010, 07:47 AM
No. Poor general managers killed the Diamondbacks. Haren was fantastic for them while he was there.

Ian.
07-26-2010, 07:53 AM
I disagree. Dan Haren is an ace. None of those other guys are. If they would have been patient and done a better job building around him we wouldn't have this conversation. They have a very solid lineup with some young up and coming players. Instead of being patient they sold the bank though.

To be fair, Brett Anderson could be a better pitcher than Haren, if not comparable and he's only 21 years old.

nithanyo
07-26-2010, 08:09 AM
jays could have matched that. Bettered that easily

Marcum, mills, Litsch for Haren

todu82
07-26-2010, 08:17 AM
Good deal for the Angels. Still I wonder if it's to late for them as they are behind in their division race and the wild card race.

Ian.
07-26-2010, 08:26 AM
Good deal for the Angels. Still I wonder if it's to late for them as they are behind in their division race and the wild card race.

Even if they're out of it already, they get him next year. This is basically like the Cliff Lee to Seattle deal with better prospects.

Pinstripe pride
07-26-2010, 10:01 AM
looks to me like the diamond backs got screwed. great move by the angels

Fred
07-26-2010, 10:08 AM
D'Backs basically received a bunch of guys that can breath, but that is it...Angels win this trade.....

Nymfan87
07-26-2010, 11:05 AM
It is easy for the initial reaction to the prospect haul the Diamondbacks received from the Angels – Pat Corbin, Rafael Rodriguez, and a PTBNL – to be underwhelming. As my colleagues Matthew Carruth and Zach Sanders already detailed, it’s impossible to fully review this trade until the Player to be Named Later is, um, named. The assumption is that it’s likely to be a talented player – though not at the level of Mike Trout – and someone that was signed within the last 364 days. I’ll let others speculate who that might be (we’ll review him in this space when the trade is completed), and instead focus on the two newest Diamondbacks prospects.

Corbin was the Angels second-round pick in their loaded 2009 draft, signed and delivered via superscout Tom Kotchman. He struggled a bit in his year at Chipola Junior College, but at 6-foot-3 with a good blend of command and projection, he was worth the risk as the Angels sixth pick. Corbin spent short-season ball last year playing for Kotchman in the Pioneer League, putting up a 5.05 ERA boosted by an unsustainably high BABIP. Both in college and in the Pioneer League, Corbin was homer-happy, but he made up for it with good strikeout-to-walk rates.

This offseason, in ranking him the 22nd-best prospect in their system, Angels blog Halos Heavan likened Corbin to Joe Saunders, who is also headed to Arizona in the Haren deal. The comparison is not misguided, as they are the same build and throw their fastballs at similar velocities (Corbin’s fastball is inconsistent, but their average velocity would be near equal). The hope is that Corbin can duplicate Saunders’ command and groundball tendencies (1.51 GO/AO in High-A), but also develop his offspeed stuff enough to become a better pitcher.

There is reason to believe an improvement is a possibility. Corbin has made significant headway with the development of his change-up, and as such, has had a lot of success in the California League against right-handed hitters (.241/.301/.386 against). His strikeout rate has jumped from 6.5 in nine Midwest League starts to 9.5 in High-A. Arizona fans must hope the surge in strikeouts is the result of an improvement in his breaking ball, which was pretty rudimentary when he was drafted. The possibility of three plus pitches from the left side is a really nice starter kit, especially for an organization that needs young pitching badly.

The other addition, Rafael Rodriguez, isn’t nearly as exciting. Two months away from his 26th birthday, Rodriguez is a fungible bullpen arm with little potential to improve. Rodriguez is at his best when he’s generating a lot of groundballs and pounding the lower half of the strike zone. He did so successfully in the Major Leagues last year — though his results weren’t good — but has a more pedestrian 1.46 GO/AO ratio this year in the Pacific Coast League.His stuff isn’t swing-and-miss in the slightest, managing a 3.03 K/9 in his limited 33 innings of big league work.

While I’ll make good on my promise not to judge Arizona’s haul in full until after the trade is completed, there’s no question the final prospect in this deal will need to be a good one. Corbin is a B prospect, Rodriguez is a D, and Dan Haren is worth more than that.

UPDATE: The Arizona Republic has reported the Player To Be Named Later in this deal is Tyler Skaggs, the 40th overall pick from the 2009 draft, currently posting a 3.61 ERA through 19 Midwest League appearances.

It’s certainly interesting, and most likely not coincidental, that the Diamondbacks acquired three left-handed pitchers in the same deal. Skaggs is the southpaw with the most potential. Like Corbin, he’s lanky and projectable, but the opinions of most is that Skaggs will be the one with the most velocity in the end. Similar to Corbin, Skaggs is running a reverse platoon split (.828 vs LHH, .631 vs. RHH) this season. Skaggs is a specific player Arizona has targeted: a lefty with room to grow, with command of his moving fastball, and the seeds of three pitches already planted. There aren’t a whole lot of guys in the minors with Skaggs’ skillset, and Arizona added two in one night. There is something to be said for Arizona’s intentions.

There is also something interesting happening at the scouting level of the Diamondbacks organization: after spending their first eight picks on pitchers in last June’s draft, Arizona converted its biggest trade chip into four more pitchers. Clearly, this is a team that believes in the long-term health of their offense — because of the youth of their offensive core, presumably, but also because their stadium is always going to support the hitters. Developing some good, cheap pitching is an onus that this scouting department has certainly placed on themselves.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/harens-haul/

So it appears as though the trade actually isn't bad for the D-Backs at all, especially considering that they got to shed some fairly significant payroll.

homie564
07-26-2010, 11:23 AM
tyler skaggs is ok... angels still won this trade big.

NateyB24
07-26-2010, 12:27 PM
Right now id say the Angels won this one only because of what Skaggs projects to be im surprised no one had a better package or maybe they didn't want to be stuck with the contract.

Posey28
07-26-2010, 06:29 PM
Giants, Dodgers, Rockies and Pads all just creamed their pants.