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baseballguru3
07-25-2010, 04:28 PM
:confused:

Fmaranesi
07-25-2010, 04:33 PM
no

McPeak92
07-25-2010, 04:35 PM
nope. Mauer is king.

Lincecum
07-25-2010, 04:38 PM
Buster will be better than Mauer..beleeeeeeeuh dat!

Rivera
07-25-2010, 04:51 PM
buster posey would need to be a top 5 player in baseball to reach mauers potential

SB75
07-25-2010, 04:51 PM
I don't think so, but he will be an All-star player.

PutMeInCoach
07-25-2010, 04:52 PM
Potential, sure.. do I think he WILL be better.. no. (coming from a giants fan btw)

Jilly Bohnson
07-25-2010, 04:53 PM
:laugh:

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 04:56 PM
I suppose he has more potential, hell Wieters and Santana have more potential as well. But very few players ever reach their "full" potential.

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 05:03 PM
Is this serious? NO. :facepalm:

baseballguru3
07-25-2010, 05:19 PM
He has just as good of a bat with more power... defense is going to get better and better and in my opinion he has a cannon behind the plate.... I think he's going to be the NL version of Mauer.

carson005
07-25-2010, 05:21 PM
I suppose he has more potential, hell Wieters and Santana have more potential as well. But very few players ever reach their "full" potential.

No he doesn't have more potential, Mauer you could argue hasn't even reached his potential.

Silly Giant fans :D

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 05:22 PM
He has just as good of a bat with more power... defense is going to get better and better and in my opinion he has a cannon behind the plate.... I think he's going to be the NL version of Mauer.

your screen name could not be less appropriate.

sacgiants1213
07-25-2010, 05:23 PM
Joe Mauer wishes he was Buster Posey

cwilson21
07-25-2010, 05:34 PM
IMO no. Who's to say Mauer's even reached his potential? Do you think Posey will ever post a season like what Mauer did last year? Who knows. When Posey puts up production like this for the next couple of years then you can consider this a legit question but the guy has only had 173 AB's this year. Hard to say if he has more potential than a guy who just posted one of the great offensive seasons ever seen by a catcher. I don't even like the word 'potential' anymore. You can say blah and blah has more potential than someone but there is no way of proving it unless you use stats to back it up.

showtym24
07-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Joe Mauer wishes he was Buster Posey

He wishes he resembled napoleon dynanmite and was not as good of a MLB catcher?

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 05:37 PM
Joe Mauer wishes he was Buster Posey

hahaha, thanks I needed that. :rolleyes:

Lincecum
07-25-2010, 05:39 PM
another hit for posey..3 for 3...can't stop wont stop :D

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 05:40 PM
No he doesn't have more potential, Mauer you could argue hasn't even reached his potential.

Silly Giant fans :D

You can. But considering he's 27 I doubt he'll get much better.

It's not really that silly to say that a player has the potential to a better player than another.

Unlikely? Sure. Impossible? No.

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 05:41 PM
Maybe we can hold off on the comparisons until Buster has played more than a 1/3 of a season...

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 05:42 PM
You can. But considering he's 27 I doubt he'll get much better.

It's not really that silly to say that a player has the potential to a better player than another.

Unlikely? Sure. Impossible? No.

Homer? Yes.

DodgersFanFor23
07-25-2010, 05:42 PM
Buster who

Lincecum
07-25-2010, 05:43 PM
Buster who

you will hate him very soon :D

baseballguru3
07-25-2010, 05:49 PM
I'm sure people were saying the same thing "no, he hasn't done it long enough" type things when Mauer was breaking in and someone made a thread "Does Mauer have more potential than Victor Martinez?"

Now look who's laughing.

Lloyd Christmas
07-25-2010, 05:56 PM
I do think this thread is about a year too early, but if the thread was titled, "does strasburg have more potential then Lincecum" every one of you would be saying yes with the same sample size.

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 05:56 PM
Is this serious? NO. :facepalm:

certainly, have you seen this kid rake???

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 05:56 PM
Homer? Yes.

Uh, no.

Did I say Buster Posey is better than Joe Mauer?

You're simply being ignorant if you're saying Posey has no chance to be better.


I'm sure people were saying the same thing "no, he hasn't done it long enough" type things when Mauer was breaking in and someone made a thread "Does Mauer have more potential than Victor Martinez?"

Now look who's laughing.

Exactly.

FWIW, Mauer's bat has been +7.4 runs, Posey's has been +13.

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 05:57 PM
I do think this thread is about a year too early, but if the thread was titled, "does strausberg (spelling) have more potential then Lincecum" every one of you would be saying yes with the same sample size.

lol, you got that right.

nessythegreat
07-25-2010, 06:00 PM
Posey, Santana, and Wieters have more potential than Mauer? wtf? are you high?, Posey ceiling is something like Brian Mccan, Santana and Wieters are like Victor Martinez. Mauer is in a class all by himself.

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 06:01 PM
He wishes he resembled napoleon dynanmite and was not as good of a MLB catcher?

this maybe but i'll take Posey

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 06:03 PM
Posey, Santana, and Wieters have more potential than Mauer? wtf? are you high?, Posey ceiling is something like Brian Mccan, Santana and Wieters are like Victor Martinez. Mauer is in a class all by himself.

wow, you're sleeping on Posey. Sit back and watch him prove you wrong.

Lincecum
07-25-2010, 06:04 PM
Posey, Santana, and Wieters have more potential than Mauer? wtf? are you high?, Posey ceiling is something like Brian Mccan, Santana and Wieters are like Victor Martinez. Mauer is in a class all by himself.

uhh..u can predict the future? :confused:

carson005
07-25-2010, 06:04 PM
I do think this thread is about a year too early, but if the thread was titled, "does strausberg (spelling) have more potential then Lincecum" every one of you would be saying yes with the same sample size.

Are you trying to say Posey has more potential then Strasburg?

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:04 PM
Posey, Santana, and Wieters have more potential than Mauer? wtf? are you high?, Posey ceiling is something like Brian Mccan, Santana and Wieters are like Victor Martinez. Mauer is in a class all by himself.

And what was Joe Mauer's ceiling as a prospect?

"Greatest catcher of all-time?"

I don't think so.

The 3 guys ahead of him on the top prospect list in 2003 are all guys he is better than now (Teixeira, Baldelli, Reyes).

Wieters was a #1 prospect overall, so coming out of the minors Wieters actually had a higher ceiling than Joe Mauer did.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:05 PM
Are you trying to say Posey has more potential then Strasburg?

:confused:

That's not what he's saying at all.

carson005
07-25-2010, 06:07 PM
And what was Joe Mauer's ceiling as a prospect?

"Greatest catcher of all-time?"

I don't think so.

The 3 guys ahead of him on the top prospect list in 2003 are all guys he is better than now (Teixeira, Baldelli, Reyes).

Wieters was a #1 prospect overall, so coming out of the minors Wieters actually had a higher ceiling than Joe Mauer did.

Well considering he was the number 1 overall pick...I'd say they considered his potential to be amazing

baseballguru3
07-25-2010, 06:08 PM
MaCcan is his ceiling hahah

Buster has a higher average this year than that guys career OBP lol

showtym24
07-25-2010, 06:08 PM
this maybe but i'll take Posey

A guy who has played 1/3 of a season over a 27 year old with three batting titles and a MVP? What ever floats your boat.

elizur
07-25-2010, 06:09 PM
And what was Joe Mauer's ceiling as a prospect?

"Greatest catcher of all-time?"

I don't think so.

The 3 guys ahead of him on the top prospect list in 2003 are all guys he is better than now (Teixeira, Baldelli, Reyes).

Wieters was a #1 prospect overall, so coming out of the minors Wieters actually had a higher ceiling than Joe Mauer did.

That does not mean Weiters has a higher ceiling than Mauer. Haha.

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 06:10 PM
I guy who has played 1/3 over a season over a 27 year old with three batting titles? What ever floats your boat.

well, if you take it as it is right now Posey is younger and is under control for quite some time without having to pay out the wazoo so yes i would take Posey. Did i say he was better than Mauer yet? no.

carson005
07-25-2010, 06:12 PM
MaCcan is his ceiling hahah

Buster has a higher average this year than that guys career OBP lol

His BABIP is also .370 compared to McCans .304

And McCan almost has a higher OBP despite the average difference since he walks wayyyyyyyyyyyy more then Posey



I know, I know, no one was saying Posey was better, but lets all settle down on the Posey dick sucking

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 06:13 PM
Well considering he was the number 1 overall pick...I'd say they considered his potential to be amazing

Yes, but again, he's still exceeded expectations.


That does not mean Weiters has a higher ceiling than Mauer. Haha.

Good point, but the point is Mauer's ceiling wasn't "greatest catcher in the history of the game." Their ceilings aren't too far apart regardless.

I'm not saying Posey is likely to be better in Mauer, that's just ridiculous. Mauer will go down likely as the greatest catcher to ever play the game, but Joe Mauer is better than his potential when he was a prospect, if that makes any sense.

Players can exceed their ceilings, and measuring potential is an extremely arbitrary thing to do.

baseballguru3
07-25-2010, 06:14 PM
Poseys BABIP is higher because he always puts good wood on the ball it seems.

ChaseHamels
07-25-2010, 06:21 PM
Look, I like Buster Posey. He was a great collegiate athlete and appears to be a fantastic MLB player. But his sample size is just too damn small.

GOON MUSIC
07-25-2010, 06:33 PM
IMO no. Who's to say Mauer's even reached his potential? Do you think Posey will ever post a season like what Mauer did last year? Who knows. When Posey puts up production like this for the next couple of years then you can consider this a legit question but the guy has only had 173 AB's this year. Hard to say if he has more potential than a guy who just posted one of the great offensive seasons ever seen by a catcher. I don't even like the word 'potential' anymore. You can say blah and blah has more potential than someone but there is no way of proving it unless you use stats to back it up.

that mauer power was only shown one year

and hes appears to gone back to 10hr a year power

the nightman
07-25-2010, 06:46 PM
mauer has the potential to be the greatest catcher ever.

shizzle09
07-25-2010, 07:10 PM
4 more hits today for Posey. The man is ballin.

nessythegreat
07-25-2010, 07:20 PM
dont get me wrong Posey looks like he will be a damn good ball player, but saying that he has more potential than mauer after just 1/3 of a season seems to be pretty foolish. I mean its great to get excited about your prospects doing great but damn, hinting that he has more potential than a 3 time batting champ, one of the best pure hitters in the game AND one of the best players in the majors(all the while being a catcher mind you) and Posey still needs to refine his craft behind the plate, but he is doing very well

idrinkpepsi
07-25-2010, 07:41 PM
You've got to remember Posey is only 23 and its a small sample size, and who knows with Mauer he may all of a sudden start to decline and he isnt flashing the power he was last year. Meanwhile Posey has more homers then Mauer in 39 less games, you just cant predict this stuff right now. It's WAY too early to make comparisons.

MooseWithFleas
07-25-2010, 07:55 PM
Mauer was hyped more than any of the catching crop this year. He also lived up to those expectations. It would be nearly impossible for Posey to reach Mauer's level. He could definitely be a top 5 catcher very soon though.

theproof
07-25-2010, 08:07 PM
Let's wait until the guy has a full season behind his belt first shall we?

JakeDelbreezy
07-25-2010, 08:10 PM
I didn't realize that for a young catcher to have his hitting potential compared to Brian McCann was such an insult.

Posey looks to have a good future, maybe even great but its too early to proclaim him the heir apparent to the title of best catcher in the game.

yankswin27
07-25-2010, 08:14 PM
Mauer's the best in the game. Posey? He could be #2.

cwilson21
07-25-2010, 08:15 PM
Let's wait until the guy has a full season behind his belt first shall we?

Proof, did you forget this is PSD you're posting on? Somebody will go 4-4 and have a thread made about him as the best player in the game.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 08:18 PM
Proof, did you forget this is PSD you're posting on? Somebody will go 4-4 and have a thread made about him as the best player in the game.

Well...he did go 4-5 today and has a 18 (19?) game hitting streak. :p

moshy2
07-25-2010, 08:19 PM
Posey has great potential and in a couple years will be the best catcher in the game

cwilson21
07-25-2010, 08:26 PM
Well...he did go 4-5 today and has a 18 (19?) game hitting streak. :p

Hence the thread lol.

GoatMilk
07-25-2010, 08:29 PM
he's the best player in baseball and i hate it

>.<

northsider
07-25-2010, 08:44 PM
Seems like everyone of your threads is Giant's related.

And to answer you question I would say it isn't out of reach but, either way he is going to be a stud.

northsider
07-25-2010, 08:47 PM
Uh, no.

Did I say Buster Posey is better than Joe Mauer?

You're simply being ignorant if you're saying Posey has no chance to be better.



Exactly.

FWIW, Mauer's bat has been +7.4 runs, Posey's has been +13.

G4L I know for a fact your smarter then to let the homer in you compare a full season of amazing play to what a player has done through a little less then a third of a season.

Not taking anything away from Posey but, I am not going to compare him to the best catcher in baseball cause he is crushing at the moment.

Gigantes4Life
07-25-2010, 08:49 PM
G4L I know for a fact your smarter then to let the homer in you compare a full season of amazing play to what a player has done through a little less then a third of a season.

Not taking anything away from Posey but, I am not going to compare him to the best catcher in baseball cause he is crushing at the moment.

I never said he was better, I was just throwing it out there.

StealingSigns
07-25-2010, 09:11 PM
I remember, after a third of a season, people here were claiming Jimenez was the best pitcher in baseball. Hmmm...

The_Jamal
07-25-2010, 09:19 PM
Poseyhaters

Public Enemy #1
07-25-2010, 09:43 PM
No he doesn't have more potential, Mauer you could argue hasn't even reached his potential.

Silly Giant fans :D

Silly Canadians. Might want to stick to your hockey buddy. :eyebrow:

BayHuStLE
07-25-2010, 09:47 PM
Joe Mauer wishes he was Buster Posey

YUP, mauer wishes he had poseys power too

RayRay
07-25-2010, 09:59 PM
I don't get all of this Mauer worship. Sure he's coming off a fluke season of power and he's on the cover of a badass video game, but people are talking like he's the best catcher ever or something. Yea he's the best all around catcher in the game, but Posey, Santana, and Weiters could all end up better. Nobody thought Pujols would be the best in the game as a rookie, who knows?

nessythegreat
07-25-2010, 10:11 PM
and i dont get all this Buster worship, he's played 1/3 of a season and he is the next coming or something. And it is laughable to say that Posey, Santana, or Wieters will end up better than Mauer, I mean are you kidding me?

The_Jamal
07-25-2010, 10:22 PM
and i dont get all this Buster worship, he's played 1/3 of a season and he is the next coming or something. And it is laughable to say that Posey, Santana, or Wieters will end up better than Mauer, I mean are you kidding me?

It's because he is

GSW 2012 CHAMPS
07-25-2010, 10:27 PM
I think he will be just as good as Mauer but saying he will be better is like saying someone will be better than Pujols, its just not going to happen until he retires.

The_Mac22
07-25-2010, 10:34 PM
Mauer who?

RayRay
07-25-2010, 10:39 PM
Saying someone has potential to do something is a lot different then saying they will actually do it. But anyone saying there is no chance at being better than Mauer, whether its Posey or someone else, would be like saying Mauer is better then Babe Ruth.

More-Than-Most
07-25-2010, 10:41 PM
I think its right up there... Its not as far fetched as people are making it... Posey has a gigantic ceiling... Could he be as good as mauer... Maybe... He could even be better... I don't think he will but he has the potential. So the answer is yes in my opinion.

Jays Claw
07-25-2010, 10:42 PM
Does he have the potential, physical tools and talent? Yes.

Will he have a better career than Joe Mauer? I doubt it.

jsand3030
07-25-2010, 11:10 PM
Im a Giants and Posey fan but come on, this is way too premature. The more rational argument is for the ROY award and maybe even MVP. But this is just Posey "dick sucking."

Mc Lovin
07-25-2010, 11:12 PM
Mauer could possibly end up being the greatest catcher of all time. Posey is good but he shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as Mauer.

Benny21
07-25-2010, 11:36 PM
Homer? Yes.

You're kidding, yes?
You think it's 100% out of the question that Buster Posey could have more potential than Joe Mauer?

We're talking about potential, not being absolutely better

downsos
07-25-2010, 11:40 PM
Posey will not be as good as Mauer, but could be a top 3 catcher soon.

Ragun
07-25-2010, 11:46 PM
this guy is just killing the ball right now.

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 12:17 AM
I remember, after a third of a season, people here were claiming Jimenez was the best pitcher in baseball. Hmmm...

Really? Because most people didn't say that. It was pretty obvious nothing Ubaldo was doing was sustainable (didn't have great K/BB, low BABIP, high LOB). Ubaldo has never been the best pitcher in baseball, people are simply blinded by "OMG WINZ!!!"

mets77
07-26-2010, 12:27 AM
no he will be good but not mauer

CityofTreez
07-26-2010, 12:40 AM
Mauer is on the cover of baseball video game = More Potential

707GiAnTsFaN
07-26-2010, 01:08 AM
It's funny cause Posey is having a better rookie season than Mauers, and a better 2010 than , but people find it inconceivable that he could be better someday, if not already. I believe Posey will be better if not already up to that status.

PrestigeWldWde
07-26-2010, 01:36 AM
Very doubtful that NutBuster Posey will be better than Mauer. Mauer is one of the best hitting catchers in baseball history when healthy. It just hurts to say it because i'm a White Sox fan and Mauer whoops our *** all the time.

1903
07-26-2010, 02:13 AM
All young top prospects and high draft picks have more potential than established players. Mauer has reached his potential while Posey is just starting his major league career. Since the future is unknown for Posey and he was a high draft pick and top prospect the sky's the limit for his future. He has tonnes of potential right now. Potential to me speaks about the future and what might a player become. We already know what Mauer is.

Hopper15
07-26-2010, 02:45 AM
Posey has the highest baseball IQ for a 23 year old I've seen in a long time. Just exceptional baseball intelligence.

Add in his solid plate discipline and his excellent ability to hit to the opposite field instead of pulling every pitch and you have a future star.

1903
07-26-2010, 02:49 AM
Posey has the highest baseball IQ for a 23 year old I've seen in a long time. Just exceptional baseball intelligence.

Add in his solid plate discipline and his excellent ability to hit to the opposite field instead of pulling every pitch and you have a future star.

I hope you realize that Mauer is only 27 and had a pretty amazing season when he was 23 which was only 4 years ago.

iggypop123
07-26-2010, 02:51 AM
its difficult to say now cause posey is playing out of his mind. what happens once he cools down. for mauer that still meant winning a batting title.

Hopper15
07-26-2010, 02:52 AM
I hope you realize that Mauer is only 27 and had a pretty amazing season when he was 23 which was only 4 years ago.

lol I never even brought up Mauer in my post. Just my compliments for Posey's game.

1903
07-26-2010, 02:57 AM
lol I never even brought up Mauer in my post. Just my compliments for Posey's game.

No but you did say Posey has the highest baseball IQ you have seen from a 23 year old in a long time. Mauer has an amazing baseball IQ and displayed it only 4 seasons ago as a 23 year old. He also displayed that IQ over 140 games. Hardly a long time.

CAIN=FUTURE
07-26-2010, 03:04 AM
I think its possible. But I dont think its fare to compare a rookie to a top 5 player in baseball.

Hopper15
07-26-2010, 03:11 AM
No but you did say Posey has the highest baseball IQ you have seen from a 23 year old in a long time. Mauer has an amazing baseball IQ and displayed it only 4 seasons ago as a 23 year old. He also displayed that IQ over 140 games. Hardly a long time.

Considering Posey is catching for a much better starting pitching staff(1-5) than Mauer did 4 years ago in the middle of a pennant race. I don't back down from my statement.

Jilly Bohnson
07-26-2010, 04:04 AM
And what was Joe Mauer's ceiling as a prospect?

"Greatest catcher of all-time?"

I don't think so.

The 3 guys ahead of him on the top prospect list in 2003 are all guys he is better than now (Teixeira, Baldelli, Reyes).

Wieters was a #1 prospect overall, so coming out of the minors Wieters actually had a higher ceiling than Joe Mauer did.

Actually yeah that pretty much what it was. Great defense, batting titles, and 30 homer seasons was considered his potential coming out of high school. He had every tool you could ever possibly want except he was maybe a little too big for a catcher.

And your Wieters comment is pretty off base too. Wieters A) had lesser competition prospect-wise, and B) Mauer was the #1 prospect 2 years running, and the only reason he wasn't before that was because he was too far away from the majors to justify him over a guy like Prior or Beckett.

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:07 AM
Actually yeah pretty much. Great defense, batting titles, and 30 homer seasons was considered his potential coming out of high school. He had every tool you could ever possibly want except he was maybe a little too big for a catcher.

I highly doubt anyone ever said he would be the greatest catcher ever (other than a rare homer).

That's just not a ceiling, considering the odds of any player being the best at his position is are <.1%

nessythegreat
07-26-2010, 04:12 AM
oh ya of course, 2010 Giants are much better than the 2006 Twins( who went 96-66, and had johan santana, francisco liriano and brad radke as their pitchers).. oh yeah the giants got them beat handily... are you trying to be funny? cause your doing an awesome job at it.

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:13 AM
oh ya of course, 2010 Giants are much better than the 2006 Twins( who went 96-66, and had johan santana, francisco liriano and brad radke as their pitchers).. oh yeah the giants got them beat handily... are you trying to be funny? cause your doing an awesome job at it.

Where is this coming from?

What does that have to do with anything? Did I miss a post?

Jilly Bohnson
07-26-2010, 04:14 AM
I highly doubt anyone ever said he would be the greatest catcher ever (other than a rare homer).

That's just not a ceiling, considering the odds of any player being the best at his position is are <.1%

His ceiling was batting titles, 30 homer seasons, and GG defense. If he lived up to that he'd be the GOAT. Basically Johnny Bench with another 30 points of batting average. Was/is he unlikely to reach that? Sure, of course, but that potential was legitimately there and we saw it last year.

Posey's a potential All-Star, Mauer was a potential MVP.

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:22 AM
His ceiling was batting titles, 30 homer seasons, and GG defense. If he lived up to that he'd be the GOAT. Basically Johnny Bench with another 30 points of batting average. Was/is he unlikely to reach that? Sure, of course, but that potential was legitimately there and we saw it last year.

Posey's a potential All-Star, Mauer was a potential MVP.

Posey's ceiling is 25 HR seasons, batting titles and GG defense.

:confused: Perhaps not to the extent that Mauer, but the ceilings aren't too far apart.

ntat
07-26-2010, 04:33 AM
This is a pretty insane question i think.

Jilly Bohnson
07-26-2010, 04:34 AM
Posey's ceiling is 25 HR seasons, batting titles and GG defense.

:confused: Perhaps not to the extent that Mauer, but the ceilings aren't too far apart.

That's not really true. Mauer's "bat" tool was rated an 80 before he came up, Posey's a 70. Mauer had the "30 homer potential" tag put on him, I haven't seen more than 20 home power associated with Posey. That doesn't mean it's not out there, but I haven't seen it. For example, Keith Law said this before this year:


Posey reached the majors less than 14 months after signing his first pro contract on the strength of his bat and his advanced feel for catching, amazing for someone who only became a full-time catcher in 2007. Posey has a short, compact stroke with excellent bat control and sprays the field with line drives. He doesn't have much raw power on account of his size and the presence of just a little loft in his swing, but he makes up for it with good plate discipline, and he should post good on-base percentages in the majors. As a catcher, he has soft hands and good athleticism behind the dish with a plus arm, unsurprising for someone who was a part-time reliever in college. There's some concern about Posey's trouble catching better fastballs -- and Giants pitchers do bring the heat -- when he reached the majors, but it's possible that was merely exhaustion from Posey's first full pro season and rust from the fact that San Francisco brought him up only to have Bruce Bochy let him rot on the bench for three weeks. He could catch every day for the Giants right now if they weren't too busy throwing money at the likes of Bengie Molina.

I mean I don't mean to make it sound like I'm hating on Posey, but to say he has the potential that Joe Mauer had at the same point in his career is IMO patently ridiculous. It'd be like saying Desmond Jennings or Dominic Brown have as much potential as BJ Upton had. They are both possible stars, but BJ was prodigious. Same deal here.

ntat
07-26-2010, 04:36 AM
oh ya of course, 2010 Giants are much better than the 2006 Twins( who went 96-66, and had johan santana, francisco liriano and brad radke as their pitchers).. oh yeah the giants got them beat handily... are you trying to be funny? cause your doing an awesome job at it.

What are u trying to say exactly?

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:39 AM
That's not really true. Mauer's "bat" tool was rated an 80 before he came up, Posey's a 70. Mauer had the "30 homer potential" tag put on him, I haven't seen more than 20 home power associated with Posey. That doesn't mean it's not out there, but I haven't seen it. For example, Keith Law said this before this year:



I mean I don't mean to make it sound like I'm hating on Posey, but to say he has the potential that Joe Mauer had at the same point in his career is IMO patently ridiculous. It'd be like saying Desmond Jennings or Dominic Brown have as much potential as BJ Upton had. They are both possible stars, but BJ was prodigious. Same deal here.

I'm not saying that Posey's projected to be as good.

But both their ceilings would be the greatest catcher ever if they both lived up to it.

And of course, Mauer's never even hit 30 homers, and has only hit more than 13 homers once (28), and of his 6 full seasons it looks like he'll only have broken 10 homers twice (assuming he stays on pace this year).

1903
07-26-2010, 04:49 AM
Considering Posey is catching for a much better starting pitching staff(1-5) than Mauer did 4 years ago in the middle of a pennant race. I don't back down from my statement.

You think it's more difficult catching good pitchers? Good pitchers know what they want to throw and are consistent. Also the 2006 Twins won their division on the last day while being in a heated battle with the Tigers.

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:51 AM
You think it's more difficult catching good pitchers? Good pitchers know what they want to throw and are consistent. Also the 2006 Twins won their division on the last day while being in a heated battle with the Tigers.

lol I think he's been brainwashed by our incompetent FO.

They went on and on about how Buster Posey wasn't able to catch our pitching staff, and the slogan was, "he's not ready" basically. It was a joke, a really sad joke.

Pau for Geico
07-26-2010, 05:10 AM
Not saying that Posey has a higher potential...but lets look at 2010 stats

Posey - 48 Games. 178 AB. 66 Hits. .371 AVG. 8 HR. 33 RBI. .407 OBP. .579 SLG

Mauer - 86 Games. 329 AB. 97 Hits. .295 AVG. 5 HR. 43 RBI. .435 OBP. .435 SLG

Now, hey I understand Posey has 38 less games and WAY less AB's then Mauer.
So the AVG, OBP, AND SLG don't matter as much.

But Posey has MORE HR's and ONLY 10 LESS RBI's than Mauer in a -38 Game difference! 31 Hit difference as well...

Jilly Bohnson
07-26-2010, 12:32 PM
I'm not saying that Posey's projected to be as good.

But both their ceilings would be the greatest catcher ever if they both lived up to it.

And of course, Mauer's never even hit 30 homers, and has only hit more than 13 homers once (28), and of his 6 full seasons it looks like he'll only have broken 10 homers twice (assuming he stays on pace this year).

That's not true, Posey's ceiling is not nearly as high as Mauer's is/was. You're greatly overstating what Posey's capable of.

And the last part is completely irrelevant. We're talking about their potential. Mauer's potential was basically what he did last year but with not THAT high of an average. Something like .320/.400/.520 with great defense.

jsand3030
07-26-2010, 12:41 PM
Not saying that Posey has a higher potential...but lets look at 2010 stats

Posey - 48 Games. 178 AB. 66 Hits. .371 AVG. 8 HR. 33 RBI. .407 OBP. .579 SLG

Mauer - 86 Games. 329 AB. 97 Hits. .295 AVG. 5 HR. 43 RBI. .435 OBP. .435 SLG

Now, hey I understand Posey has 38 less games and WAY less AB's then Mauer.
So the AVG, OBP, AND SLG don't matter as much.

But Posey has MORE HR's and ONLY 10 LESS RBI's than Mauer in a -38 Game difference! 31 Hit difference as well...


And most of those HRs have been to the opposite field-some at AT&T park where it is insanely hard to do from the left hand side of the plate, let alone on the right side. Whomever quoted keith laws statement about how Posey "doesn't have much raw power" has no clue on what hes talking about-you also used an old quote from last off-season.

MattCain4CY
07-26-2010, 03:15 PM
And most of those HRs have been to the opposite field-some at AT&T park where it is insanely hard to do from the left hand side of the plate, let alone on the right side. Whomever quoted keith laws statement about how Posey "doesn't have much raw power" has no clue on what hes talking about-you also used an old quote from last off-season.

He has only hit 1 HR at home this year...all the rest have been on the road, and 4 of which came vs the Brewers in Miller Park.

shizzle09
07-26-2010, 04:00 PM
Bottom Line, if you were to rate Posey based on what you've seen so far i bet most experts would put his potential much closer to where Mauer's was. The kid has it all. His arm is ridiculous and he catches games like he's done it his whole life. Mauer is the man and has earned his place as the top catcher but those who think Posey cannot be just as good as Mauer down the line are selling Posey short. Been watching baseball for 25+ years and i can say this kid impresses me as much as anyone i've seen. Even if Posey has better numbers than Mauer at this time Mauer is still the top dog. Posey does deserve to be mentioned as a potential superstar though.

nessythegreat
07-26-2010, 04:18 PM
okay since we are comparing seasons here, when mauer was 23 he won his first batting title, so posey is 23 i believe, so.. he better do something special to match mauer's year at 23

shizzle09
07-26-2010, 04:30 PM
okay since we are comparing seasons here, when mauer was 23 he won his first batting title, so posey is 23 i believe, so.. he better do something special to match mauer's year at 23

lol, considering Mauer had a season and a half under his belt by time he was 23 thats pretty lame to expect the same out of Posey. That said batting .371 in your first 200 at bats is a pretty good start

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 04:45 PM
That's not true, Posey's ceiling is not nearly as high as Mauer's is/was. You're greatly overstating what Posey's capable of.

And the last part is completely irrelevant. We're talking about their potential. Mauer's potential was basically what he did last year but with not THAT high of an average. Something like .320/.400/.520 with great defense.

No actually I'm not overstating his ceiling, that's exactly what it was. Ability to hit .300 with lots of XBH, 20-25 HR and GG defense.

It's a notch below Mauer's. That's my point, most elite prospects would be HOF if they reached their potential and were able to maintain that type of production.

Hopper15
07-26-2010, 04:50 PM
lol I think he's been brainwashed by our incompetent FO.

They went on and on about how Buster Posey wasn't able to catch our pitching staff, and the slogan was, "he's not ready" basically. It was a joke, a really sad joke.

and you would be wrong. It made me sick to my stomach after they re-signed Molina keeping Posey in Fresno.

Jilly Bohnson
07-26-2010, 04:54 PM
No actually I'm not overstating his ceiling, that's exactly what it was. Ability to hit .300 with lots of XBH, 20-25 HR and GG defense.

It's a notch below Mauer's. That's my point, most elite prospects would be HOF if they reached their potential and were able to maintain that type of production.

I'd say it's a lot more than a notch, but that's semantics I guess. But that means you agree with me. You have been arguing that he has as much potential as Mauer, I've been saying he doesn't, and right there you admitted that he doesn't.

And FWIW I've never seen anything say Posey can have that kind of power. Correct me if I'm wrnog but I think you're definitely overstating it.

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Anyone with real baseball sense will figure this question out in 30 seconds.
3 batting titles, gold gloves, silver sluggers, MVP as a catcher by 26 compared to someone that has played a half a season at most.....Not saying he won't be good but not on Mauer's level.

shizzle09
07-26-2010, 05:02 PM
Anyone with real baseball sense will figure this question out in 30 seconds.
3 batting titles, gold gloves, silver sluggers, MVP as a catcher by 26 compared to someone that has played a half a season at most.....Not saying he won't be good but not on Mauer's level.

and you know this how?

Gigantes4Life
07-26-2010, 05:04 PM
I'd say it's a lot more than a notch, but that's semantics I guess. But that means you agree with me. You have been arguing that he has as much potential as Mauer, I've been saying he doesn't, and right there you admitted that he doesn't.

And FWIW I've never seen anything say Posey can have that kind of power. Correct me if I'm wrnog but I think you're definitely overstating it.

No it's always been 20-25. Most expect 15-20 regularly, with a few seasons in the 20's.

I never said that Posey had just as much potential (maybe I did, didn't mean to), I said that he has the potential to be better than Mauer is (as does Santana and Wieters).

Because, as you said, Mauer hasn't lived up to his potential. Where are all the 30 HR seasons? They don't exist.

Mauer's a 10-15 HR hitter.

Mike Oxlong
07-26-2010, 05:11 PM
Anyone with real baseball sense will figure this question out in 30 seconds.
3 batting titles, gold gloves, silver sluggers, MVP as a catcher by 26 compared to someone that has played a half a season at most.....Not saying he won't be good but not on Mauer's level.

and you know this how?

Just a hunch. Revisit this topic in 2 years and you will have your answer.

shizzle09
07-26-2010, 05:21 PM
[QUOTE=shizzle09;14302759]

Just a hunch. Revisit this topic in 2 years and you will have your answer.

fair enough, cya then

RayRay
07-26-2010, 05:23 PM
His ceiling was batting titles, 30 homer seasons, and GG defense. If he lived up to that he'd be the GOAT. Basically Johnny Bench with another 30 points of batting average. Was/is he unlikely to reach that? Sure, of course, but that potential was legitimately there and we saw it last year.

Posey's a potential All-Star, Mauer was a potential MVP.

LMAO at Mauer having 30 HR potential. Johnny Bench with another 30 points of batting average? We're talking about Mlb the show now right?

Giants&Phils
07-26-2010, 05:24 PM
He possible could, he has a lot of work to do.

Brooklyn Mets
07-26-2010, 05:26 PM
magic eight ball says NO

Posey is good but Mauer is great

MacFitz92
07-26-2010, 05:39 PM
Of course, but a lot of prospects have a lot of potential. It's just whether they reach it or not.

nessythegreat
07-26-2010, 06:10 PM
Okay In all "potential" wise, yes Posey has the "potential" to be better than Mauer... but Mauer's "potential"(cuse he hasnt reached it yet apparently) is far greater than Poseys.

dnl123
07-26-2010, 06:24 PM
I'd say there is a very small chance Posey could be better than Mauer. I've never seen Posey play so I don't know for sure, but how many catchers in history have a had a career batting average over .320? Only Mauer. That's pretty hard to live up to for a young catcher. Alot of people on PSD don't know enough about Mauer's career or get to watch him. He's having a bit of a bad season for him, but it would be a good season for almost any other catcher in baseball.

BayFan
07-26-2010, 07:27 PM
Posey is doing a lot better than most expected but I'll pump the breaks when it comes to comparing him to Mauer. But Mauer's number are not what we expected this year...i'm just sayin. To sum it up, if the Giants have the 2nd best catcher in the league I'll be more than happy with that.

baseballguru3
07-26-2010, 10:18 PM
I must have pissed off Mauer a lot with this thread - he is 5-5 tonight with like 7 RBI's..........................:clap::clap::clap:: clap:

Where's KG?
07-26-2010, 10:43 PM
Mauer must have seen this. The Boy went off tonight. 5-5 with a homer a double and 7 RBI's in a 18-0 game in the top of the 8th.

giantspwn
07-26-2010, 10:54 PM
Well, Posey will go 6-6 with 2 home runs! :p

He singled his first AB though, 19 game hitting streak.

IkeMakesTheMets
07-29-2010, 06:42 PM
magic eight ball says NO

Posey is good but Mauer is great

well played brooklyn mets