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JordansBulls
07-09-2010, 12:14 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5365793&campaign=rss&source=twitter&ex_cid=Twitter_espn_5365793




Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert says LeBron James "quit" during the playoffs and should be accountable for his actions.

Gilbert, who posted a letter to Cavs fans on the team's website shortly after James announced he plans to sign with Miami, tells The Associated Press late Thursday night that he feels "personally betrayed" by James and that it's "accountability time."

In a phone interview with the AP, Gilbert says "people have covered up for [James] for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is."

Gilbert says James quit on the Cavs during their second-round series against the Boston Celtics, who rallied from a 2-1 deficit to eliminate Cleveland.

In the letter posted on the Cavaliers website Gilbert called the porcess on James' free agency "narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his 'decision' unlike anything ever 'witnessed' in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment."

defender4m
07-09-2010, 12:16 AM
it just keeps getting better and better.

Gators123
07-09-2010, 12:16 AM
Not only is he drinking, hes probably smoking a huge blunt.

billyocean15
07-09-2010, 12:16 AM
it definately did look like he quit on the cavs against the celtics

Melo15
07-09-2010, 12:17 AM
He did quit, I mean watching him play it seemed like someone ****** his mom or something :confused:

Cbast09
07-09-2010, 12:17 AM
He's drunk and angry. I don't blame him.

hugepatsfan
07-09-2010, 12:17 AM
I love it! This guy is awesome!

Catfish1314
07-09-2010, 12:17 AM
Poor guy. Poor Cleveland. Hopefully he got his **** out of his house.

The Smurf
07-09-2010, 12:18 AM
Not only is he drinking, hes probably smoking a huge blunt.

No way. no one smoking good herb has this much anger in them. this has Whiskey written all over it.

nalrah01
07-09-2010, 12:18 AM
lol, and here I thought the letter was too far

Avenged
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
A lot of people thought he quit as well.

Man, I'm loving this :laugh2:

But he's pushing it now.

Jays Claw
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
I love this! :laugh2:

LTBaByyy
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
If he really wanted to win he would go to the bulls

they have the perfect talent (roles) from starters to the first 3 off the bench to win a title... those 3 planned this a long time ago, he obviously was tanking in the playoffs on purpose so he wouldnt have a reason to stay in cleaveland if they won the title

Draco
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
An owner with the balls to speak up.. I love it.

Wiz kids
07-09-2010, 12:19 AM
The aftermath.

effen5
07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
:laugh:


hahahahaha Gilbert you are my new fav owner!

LTBaByyy
07-09-2010, 12:20 AM
does his twitter followers drop to 100? lol

m26555
07-09-2010, 12:21 AM
He is the ****ING MAN.

GSW Hoops
07-09-2010, 12:22 AM
Didn't LeBron have a monster triple-double the last game of the playoffs against Orlando? Just saying...

LegendX
07-09-2010, 12:24 AM
I smell a sitcom!

RenegadeRiot36
07-09-2010, 12:25 AM
keep it coming D.G. keep it coming

hype707
07-09-2010, 12:27 AM
delonte west gets the last laugh on this one

still1ballin
07-09-2010, 12:30 AM
Its true, you could even see it in the last game against Boston, he simply quit with no sense of urgency.

jkiddvc20
07-09-2010, 12:31 AM
Hes going to get fined out of his *** by David Stern

m26555
07-09-2010, 12:32 AM
delonte west gets the last laugh on this one
:laugh:

NYKNYGNYY
07-09-2010, 12:34 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/calvin-murphy-lebron-jame_n_583135.html

bosh nd wade are hitten that **** next:laugh2:

jetsforever
07-09-2010, 12:35 AM
I think he might be angry...

Agree?

m26555
07-09-2010, 12:35 AM
I think he might be angry...

Agree?
And a beast.

Raoul Duke
07-09-2010, 12:36 AM
Well, at least it's not a bitter divorce.

roshan3ai
07-09-2010, 12:36 AM
Boy, I really feel bad for the fans of Cleveland and the Cleveland organization. LeDouche really screwed them over

king4day
07-09-2010, 12:37 AM
I'm glad he said this. He basically vented for the Cavs fans.

bignate14
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
Lebron doesnt deserve a great city like cleveland

Raoul Duke_91
07-09-2010, 12:38 AM
The aftermath.

perfectly said my friend. Its like nuclear fallout, and cleveland got hit.

king4day
07-09-2010, 12:40 AM
I expected Lebron to be humble and say something that makes you say, "ya know what, he's a good guy and i empathize with his situation".

Instead, he came off selfish and greedy. Pretty sad. I respected those three before tonight. Now I like Kobe better. That says a lot.

Whats great is, it had NOTHING to do with the city.
If Chicago had room for 3, then they get them all. Same with NY. Just a real sad story for the NBA. Celtic wannabees. Hopefully with a lot less success.

Mell413
07-09-2010, 12:46 AM
That's not something you want to say just to say it. That's a big assumption. Unfortunately it's a tough thing to prove.

R32
07-09-2010, 12:47 AM
I expected Lebron to be humble and say something that makes you say, "ya know what, he's a good guy and i empathize with his situation".

Instead, he came off selfish and greedy. Pretty sad. I respected those three before tonight. Now I like Kobe better. That says a lot.

Whats great is, it had NOTHING to do with the city.
If Chicago had room for 3, then they get them all. Same with NY. Just a real sad story for the NBA. Celtic wannabees. Hopefully with a lot less success.

Heat will be the Eastern Conference MOST HATED TEAM :facepalm:

MacFitz92
07-09-2010, 12:47 AM
It really did look like he quit. As selfish as Princess LeBron is, I wouldn't doubt it.

Lincecum4CY
07-09-2010, 12:48 AM
lol this has gotten ugly REAL fast. I knew it would get pretty ugly...but damn not in 2 hours

NYtilIdie
07-09-2010, 12:49 AM
:laugh2: You mad Gilbert?

effen5
07-09-2010, 12:49 AM
I expected Lebron to be humble and say something that makes you say, "ya know what, he's a good guy and i empathize with his situation".

Instead, he came off selfish and greedy. Pretty sad. I respected those three before tonight. Now I like Kobe better. That says a lot.

Whats great is, it had NOTHING to do with the city.
If Chicago had room for 3, then they get them all. Same with NY. Just a real sad story for the NBA. Celtic wannabees. Hopefully with a lot less success.

Wade manipulated the whole situation from the offseason...I am seriously disgusted with the NBA right now....he abused the loophole he had. Its going to ruin this league...

bogdanrom
07-09-2010, 12:50 AM
First of all Lebron did quit during the playoffs. Don't look at just stats. Look at his behavior during some of the games. It was almost like he didn't even want to be there.

LegendX
07-09-2010, 12:53 AM
Heat will be the Eastern Conference MOST HATED TEAM :facepalm:

I almost died after I saw your sig.

dimedrpr
07-09-2010, 12:56 AM
Gotta ask...Why would he push so hard for a "quitter" to come back and play for him? Can you say sore loser?

Jaji
07-09-2010, 12:56 AM
Not only is he drinking, hes probably smoking a huge blunt.

:laugh2:

Melo15
07-09-2010, 12:57 AM
Anyone who doesn't think he quit during the playoffs is just fooling themselves. I can't believe Dan Gilbert came out and said it publicly, but I also can't believe LeBron came out and spit on the franchise publicly like he did tonight. I consider them even.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 12:57 AM
Riiiiiiight :rolleyes:. He knows he would have gave him head to re-sign him.

Lakeshow86
07-09-2010, 12:59 AM
If he really wanted to win he would go to the bulls

they have the perfect talent (roles) from starters to the first 3 off the bench to win a title... those 3 planned this a long time ago, he obviously was tanking in the playoffs on purpose so he wouldnt have a reason to stay in cleaveland if they won the title

he probably did. Had he and the Cavs went deeper into playoffs and maybe got to finals he would have to have a really good excuse to leave cleveland. By them losing early in playoffs game him the excuse that he CANT WIN in cleveland. he wanted to leave cleveland. This gave him an excuse to leave. had Cleveland went to finals or won the title there is no way he would leave clevaland. He knew the Cavs were good enough to get to finals but knew he couldnt beat Lakers. His only way to beat Lakers is to join with Wade and Bosh. He had to quit on cavs to make it happen

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 01:00 AM
Find yourself a new nickname prince james:laugh:

SugeKnight
07-09-2010, 01:01 AM
He did quit, I mean watching him play it seemed like someone ****** his mom or something :confused:

LMAO!

Cavs have to be my new favorite team. Gilbert dude and Delonte working for the same organization! thats gangsta

Giantwarrior
07-09-2010, 01:03 AM
It did look like Lebron quit on his team. its hard to question KING James of all people.

maybe Lebron Needs Wade and Bosh and not the other way around.

Slimsim
07-09-2010, 01:04 AM
I'm going to enjoy this off season so much hate and misery and for the first time in a while it's not the Knicks.

DABOYZ82
07-09-2010, 01:04 AM
LEBRON CAN KISS MY *****!!!! I DONT CARE WHAT YALL SAY!!! M****F***Er should have better integrity...

DABOYZ82
07-09-2010, 01:04 AM
Queen james!!!! Never would ever be a king!!!

BkOriginalOne
07-09-2010, 01:06 AM
I mean think about it, Dan GIlbert is probably going to lose about more than half of his money over the next few seasons.
Lebron did quit, everyone could see that.

Question is though... who is gonna want to player for this owner?

ElMarroAfamado
07-09-2010, 01:07 AM
who cares about lebron james, he is not the superstar everyone claimed he was. he is a role player and not even the best player on his team

EH

fadedmario
07-09-2010, 01:08 AM
This is a circus.

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:08 AM
I think we're going to hear a lot more bad stuff about Lebron. Being in Cleveland, he was sheltered. A lot of his skeletons got swept under the rug, now I think those stories come out and we hear about THE REAL Lebron.

REALLYYYYY?
07-09-2010, 01:09 AM
awesome. i like this guy.

REALLYYYYY?
07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
I mean think about it, Dan GIlbert is probably going to lose about more than half of his money over the next few seasons.
Lebron did quit, everyone could see that.

Question is though... who is gonna want to player for this owner?

non-quitters.

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
This isn't news--anyone who watched the series knew LBJ quit. The only reason he still got his numbers was because CLE runs iso's half of the time.

effen5
07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
who cares about lebron james, he is not the superstar everyone claimed he was. he is a role player and not even the best player on his team

EH

This

michelangelo
07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
Gilbert's even less mature than LeBron.

LakersChamps
07-09-2010, 01:11 AM
:facepalm:Man I really feel for the town of caves and the fans.....dat owner is madddddd, I am feeling their pain......just like when shaq packed it to move to heat..... Cavs will get back in the playoffs....they Scott as their coach.

Chicagofaithful
07-09-2010, 01:12 AM
Dan Gilbert is the ****

mynameismo
07-09-2010, 01:13 AM
You Da Man DAN!!!

The Flash
07-09-2010, 01:15 AM
is this the blog for lebron haters? because if it is im looking for the other one...

drew_ellis_23
07-09-2010, 01:19 AM
I can point you in the direction you want to go.:eyebrow:

The Raven
07-09-2010, 01:21 AM
He really screwed over that entire organization

MattColby
07-09-2010, 01:21 AM
This owner is a bad ***. I would be so proud to be a Cavs fan right now.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 01:24 AM
I think we're going to hear a lot more bad stuff about Lebron. Being in Cleveland, he was sheltered. A lot of his skeletons got swept under the rug, now I think those stories come out and we hear about THE REAL Lebron.

agreed, wonder what Skip Bayless has to say

Switch
07-09-2010, 01:24 AM
Dan Gilbert is pushing it, really pushing it.

Tragedy
07-09-2010, 01:25 AM
Funny, haven't the Cavs wanted to LeBron so badly? Now he leaves, and suddenly he quit?

Cool organization they got.

shep33
07-09-2010, 01:26 AM
He's right. James quit, and he can't win as the guy on any team. IMO he can now never be compared to MJ (the GOAT) or Kobe.

LA_Raiders
07-09-2010, 01:27 AM
we knew that already...

P-O-Z
07-09-2010, 01:28 AM
Come on. Sour grapes. He waits until James is out the door to kick him as a means to save his own *** for not re-signing him. He has no credibility. If he wanted an honest relationship with Lebron James, stop kissing his *** when he's there. Why didn't he hold him to account?

James may have quit, but Cleveland didn't put him in a position to do anything but what he wanted to do. They didn't sign him to an extension. They were just as cocky about this as James was. He used to bow down to the previous Cavs owner. His hubris is because he was allowed to become an institution outside of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Try pulling that **** with Pat Riley in charge. Remember the guy who used to knock big scary Anthony Mason in the head during huddles? He pulls a stunt like that, the Heat trade him and get tons in return with plenty of talent already on the roster. Plain and simple.

Gilbert helped create this mess. He's just playing to the fans (once again).

x15jordanx23
07-09-2010, 01:29 AM
I dont even like LeBron or the Cavs but this owner is just making an *** out of himself. Worry about the team you have and making it better. LeBron was a free agent he could go wherever he wanted! Let it go, this Gilbert guy is looking immature. The Cavs didnt do anything this offseason to make their team any better. You got outplayed Gilbert by Pat RIley. quit complaining. smh.

KeepMonta#8
07-09-2010, 01:29 AM
do you guys think he is gonna get fined?

Sockeye
07-09-2010, 01:33 AM
Go get em, Dan....

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 01:33 AM
Lebron doesnt deserve a great city like cleveland

Haha now its a great city. Because in the playoffs I remember Joakim Noah saying Cleveland sucked, and noone really disagreed.

Now Cleveland is like some metropolis full of the hardest working and kindest people on Earth, and Lebron is only doing this to punish them.

Lebron gave Cleveland the best 6 years of basketball they will ever have, tried his hardest to win them a championship, and is deciding to move on to a place where he has a better chance. Anything Cleveland has had as far as basketball is concerned is because of Lebron James. And anything Lebron has is not because of Cleveland, its his own doing. He built the franchise up, and I have no idea why he should be forced to finish his career there.

THE MTL
07-09-2010, 01:34 AM
It was OBVIOUS that he quit during the playoffs!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 01:38 AM
Funny, haven't the Cavs wanted to LeBron so badly? Now he leaves, and suddenly he quit?

Cool organization they got.

Might as well say everything out cause he ain't comin' back NEVER!

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 01:38 AM
I just saw his open letter thingy and something isn't adding up...If he feels that Lebron quit on the Cavs and all this other stuff he accused lebron of, why is a he so salty over Lebron leaving for another team? If Lebron was that bad I would be happy he's gone:violin:

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 01:38 AM
Oh and as for Lebron quitting during the playoffs:

Kobe's playoff line: 29.2 PPG 6.0 RPG 5.5 APG
Lebron's playoff line: 29.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.6 APG

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 01:43 AM
Oh and as for Lebron quitting during the playoffs:

Kobe's playoff line: 29.2 PPG 6.0 RPG 5.5 APG
Lebron's playoff line: 29.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.6 APG

Nice work Stat guy:laugh2::laugh::laugh2:

:facepalm:

TooL D/R/T
07-09-2010, 01:43 AM
Oh and as for Lebron quitting during the playoffs:

Kobe's playoff line: 29.2 PPG 6.0 RPG 5.5 APG
Lebron's playoff line: 29.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.6 APG

Oh my God.

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:44 AM
Oh and as for Lebron quitting during the playoffs:

Kobe's playoff line: 29.2 PPG 6.0 RPG 5.5 APG
Lebron's playoff line: 29.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.6 APG

The only stat that matters

Kobe = 5
Lebron = 0

He's got a LONG LONG LONG way to go

ldc62
07-09-2010, 01:44 AM
I am starting to lose my sympathy for Cavs' fans

gbrl
07-09-2010, 01:45 AM
how do u consider that quitting with that type of line

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 01:46 AM
The only stat that matters

Kobe = 5
Lebron = 0

He's got a LONG LONG LONG way to go

More reason for him to leave... So I don't get what you're saying.

Nm. Lol.

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:48 AM
Oh and as for Lebron quitting during the playoffs:

Kobe's playoff line: 29.2 PPG 6.0 RPG 5.5 APG
Lebron's playoff line: 29.1 PPG 9.3 RPG 7.6 APG

So, are you still gonna use your 'LeBron stats' once he's in MIA and not getting Iso's every time down the court? Do you actually watch the games? LBJ quit--everybody knows it. If anything Kobe did the opposite and he got his 5th ring out of it. How about this playoff line:

Kobe's playoff line: 2010 NBA Champion and Finals MVP
LeBron's playoff line: Knocked out in the 2nd round

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 01:49 AM
LMAO @ Lebron quitting...the only game that really looked like just gave up was game #5 vs Boston. LOL @ dudes saying he quit game #6 vs Boston...dude basically almost drooped a 30 pts 20 rbd TRIPLE DOUBLE!! if that "quitting" lebron, Im wondering what the "actually trying" Lebron looks like:worthy:

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 01:49 AM
Kobe's team'splayoff line: 2010 NBA Champion and Finals MVP
LeBron's team's playoff line: Knocked out in the 2nd round
fixed

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
here's GA quote


In a phone interview with the AP, Gilbert says "people have covered up for [James] for way too long. Tonight we saw who he really is."

Gilbert says James quit on the Cavs during their second-round series against the Boston Celtics, who rallied from a 2-1 deficit to eliminate Cleveland.

"He quit," Gilbert said. "Not just in Game 5, but in Games 2, 4 and 6. Watch the tape. The Boston series was unlike anything in the history of sports for a superstar.

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
I'm guessing that Gilbert has been fed up with Lebron for a long time.........but obviously Lebron was the franchise's biggest asset, so he couldn't say anything to upset him. Only now that he doesn't have to worry about Lebron's feeling he is actually able to speak his mind. Also Lebron just gave his franchise a giant F-U by breaking up with the team on national television, can't say I blame him.

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
LMAO @ Lebron quitting...the only game that really looked like just gave up was game #5 vs Boston. LOL @ dudes saying he quit game #6 vs Boston...dude basically almost drooped a 30 pts 20 rbd TRIPLE DOUBLE!! if that "quitting" lebron, Im wondering what the "actually trying" Lebron looks like:worthy:

So, he only quit in the pivotal game 5...good point--lol

cmellofan15
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
Cleveland sucks as a city and a franchise, LeBron deserved better. He moved on and now Gilbert is acting like a ****.

Allstar21
07-09-2010, 01:50 AM
sounds like sour grapes to me

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 01:51 AM
So, he only quit in the pivotal game 5...good point--lol

You should know, Kobe did it vs PHX only a few years ago:o

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:51 AM
fixed

Teams follow their leader. Guess LeBronze will follow DWhistle now

Kleonidas
07-09-2010, 01:52 AM
He didn't have to tell us...We all "witness" what happened. LBJ took a shi# on Ohio after they treated him like a God.

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:52 AM
You should know, Kobe did it vs PHX only a few years ago:o

Was that before or after his 5 rings? Oh right, it was in between the 5, huh?

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:52 AM
More reason for him to leave... So I don't get what you're saying.

Nm. Lol.

I'm not necessarily mad at him for leaving, I'm more mad about the way he did it. IMO it was very classless.

Also I'm not sure if going to Miami gives him the best chance to win, I guess we'll have to see who is willing to take a pay cut to fill out that roster. I will guarantee that you can't win a title without any 7 footers and without a bench.

For them to win I think they need Mike Miller to sign that MLE deal and some combination of Shaq/AI/Tmac/Kwame/+fillers to agree to take the vets minimum. Otherwise they are stuck with 3 great players, a few rookies, and a marginal guard in Mario Chalmers. That's going to land you at about 50-55 wins and an early playoff exit.

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 01:53 AM
The only stat that matters

Kobe = 5
Lebron = 0

He's got a LONG LONG LONG way to go

:facepalm: come on, seriously? You can't compare championships when you are comparing players for multiple reasons.
1.)Kobe has been in the league for much longer than Lebron and is also about 6 years older.
2.)Kobe had better teams than Lebron for his 3 peat and now his back-to-back runs.
3.)If you want to compare who is better, look at their PER's, and Estimated Wins Added.

Lebron's Per-31.19 (1st in league)
Kobe's Per-21.95 (15th in the league behind guys such as David Lee and Greg Oden.

Lebron's EWA-30.5(1st in league
Kobe's EWA-16.1

4.)If you want to compare hardware, let's look at MVP's.
Lebron-2 (25 years old)
Kobe-1 (31 years old)

Hawkize31
07-09-2010, 01:54 AM
Teams follow their leader. Guess LeBronze will follow DWhistle now

Yeah, with Lebron's 2 year chokehold on the league MVP, I just hope he can figure out what to do with a real leader now. :rolleyes:

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 01:54 AM
here's GA quote

Game 6, he quit? He got a damn triple double in that game. What, did Gilbert expect a 100 pt quad-double or something?

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 01:55 AM
Was that before or after his 5 rings? Oh right, it was in between the 5, huh?

I think it was the years after piggy backing prime Shaq to 3 rings and before before being gift wrapped Gasol..so basially it was during his/Lakers annual first round exit days as an 8th seed:o

B.JenningsMVP
07-09-2010, 01:56 AM
Rooting for Cavs next year!
Go Cavs!
Mo Will 4 MVP! haha

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:56 AM
I think it was the years after piggy backing prime Shaq to 3 rings and before before being gift wrapped Gasol..so basially it was during his/Lakers annual first round exit days as an 8th seed:o

Kobe's won with less than Shaq or MJ or Magic or Bird ever won with...nice try though.

prodigy
07-09-2010, 01:57 AM
OMG I love Gilbert so much. everyone should read the letter on cavs.com. What a great owner he is.

Funny thing is, He's right on everything. Truth hurts.

Vidball
07-09-2010, 01:57 AM
Yeah, with Lebron's 2 year chokehold on the league MVP, I just hope he can figure out what to do with a real leader now. :rolleyes:

My guess is he can't. He'll still want to ISO his way out of the playoffs.

Lost Art
07-09-2010, 01:58 AM
I think it was the years after piggy backing prime Shaq to 3 rings and before before being gift wrapped Gasol..so basially it was during his/Lakers annual first round exit days as an 8th seed:o

Kobe was averaging about 26/6/5.5 during the 3-peat years.......that's not exactly piggy backing, that's called a two man team (1a and 1b)

Gators123
07-09-2010, 01:59 AM
It seems like hes spending more time *****ing about LeBron then he did trying to build a championship team.

R cool J
07-09-2010, 02:00 AM
Didn't LeBron have a monster triple-double the last game of the playoffs against Orlando? Just saying...

yeah and 9 turnovers

Vidball
07-09-2010, 02:01 AM
It seems like hes spending more time *****ing about LeBron then he did trying to build a championship team.

He mortgaged CLE's future going after Jamison, Shaq, Mo...he did everything needed. LeBron just didn't deliver.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 02:01 AM
:facepalm: come on, seriously? You can't compare championships when you are comparing players for multiple reasons.
1.)Kobe has been in the league for much longer than Lebron and is also about 6 years older.
2.)Kobe had better teams than Lebron for his 3 peat and now his back-to-back runs.
3.)If you want to compare who is better, look at their PER's, and Estimated Wins Added.

Lebron's Per-31.19 (1st in league)
Kobe's Per-21.95 (15th in the league behind guys such as David Lee and Greg Oden.

Lebron's EWA-30.5(1st in league
Kobe's EWA-16.1

4.)If you want to compare hardware, let's look at MVP's.
Lebron-2 (25 years old)
Kobe-1 (31 years old)

So why lebron isn't winning a championship then!
When his PER and other **** is off the charts!

And don't start with his teammates story again.

The point is:stats doesn't tell the whole story and kobe finds the ways to win!

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 02:03 AM
OMG I love Gilbert so much. everyone should read the letter on cavs.com. What a great owner he is.

Funny thing is, He's right on everything. Truth hurts.

post it here, I'm lazy

Vidball
07-09-2010, 02:05 AM
:facepalm: come on, seriously? You can't compare championships when you are comparing players for multiple reasons.
1.)Kobe has been in the league for much longer than Lebron and is also about 6 years older.
2.)Kobe had better teams than Lebron for his 3 peat and now his back-to-back runs.
3.)If you want to compare who is better, look at their PER's, and Estimated Wins Added.

Lebron's Per-31.19 (1st in league)
Kobe's Per-21.95 (15th in the league behind guys such as David Lee and Greg Oden.

Lebron's EWA-30.5(1st in league
Kobe's EWA-16.1

4.)If you want to compare hardware, let's look at MVP's.
Lebron-2 (25 years old)
Kobe-1 (31 years old)

Kobe is in the All-Time greats discussion so championships is one of the few things that does matter. Also, is LeBron going to be worse just because his PER will go down next season because he won't be on a team that runs ISO's for him every time down the court? PER is the most flawed stat out there (as you pointed out with your David Lee/Greg Oden highlight).

Truheatfan
07-09-2010, 02:06 AM
Not only is he drinking, hes probably smoking a huge blunt.

BIG PHATTY!!:smoking::smoking:

idrinkpepsi
07-09-2010, 02:07 AM
:clap:

prodigy
07-09-2010, 02:08 AM
post it here, I'm lazy


Type Cavs.com. its the first thing that pops up. lol

cmellofan15
07-09-2010, 02:09 AM
OMG I love Gilbert so much. everyone should read the letter on cavs.com. What a great owner he is.

Funny thing is, He's right on everything. Truth hurts.

truth is LeBron could care less because he's gonna be in Miami. truth is Gilbert is ****ing because Pat Riley is doing what he'll never do, build a championship caliber team. truth is you should hop off the Cavs bandwagon right about now because it's headed for disaster.

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
So why lebron isn't winning a championship then!
When his PER and other **** is off the charts!

And don't start with his teammates story again.

The point is:stats doesn't tell the whole story and kobe finds the ways to win!

I am going to harp on it because that is what made the difference.
Top 6 players
Gasol's playoff stats
PPG 19.6
RPG-11.10
APG-3.5

vs.
Jamison's playoff stats
PPG-15.3
RPG-7.40
APG-1.3

Bynum's playoff stats
PPG-8.6
RPG-6.9
APG-0.5

vs.

Shaq's playoff stats
PPG 11.5
RPG 5.5
APG 1.4

Artest's playoff stats
PPG-11.2
RPG-4.00
APG-2.1

vs.
Lebron's playoff stats
PPG 29.1
RPG 9.3
APG 7.6

Kobe's playoff stats
PPG-29.2
RPG-6.0
APG-5.5
vs.

Delonte West's playoff stats
PPG-6.7
RPG-1.90
APG-2.6

Fisher's playoff stats
PPG-10.3
RPG-2.5
APG-2.8
vs.
PPG-14.4
RPG-3.1
APG-5.4

Odom's playoff stats
PPG-9.7
RPG-8.6
APG-2.0
vs.
JJ Hickson's playoff stats
PPG-3.5
RPG-0.8
APG-0.1

Looking at these stats, how can you possibly say that their teammates don't factor in the equation

P-O-Z
07-09-2010, 02:12 AM
OMG I love Gilbert so much. everyone should read the letter on cavs.com. What a great owner he is.

Funny thing is, He's right on everything. Truth hurts.

lol i guess it helps you sleep at night . Ur owner is a ***** one thing is to say something its another to keep going . You guys are getting out of hand and its getting ridiculous.

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 02:14 AM
Dear Cleveland, All Of Northeast Ohio and Cleveland Cavaliers Supporters Wherever You May Be Tonight;

As you now know, our former hero, who grew up in the very region that he deserted this evening, is no longer a Cleveland Cavalier.

This was announced with a several day, narcissistic, self-promotional build-up culminating with a national TV special of his "decision" unlike anything ever "witnessed" in the history of sports and probably the history of entertainment.

Clearly, this is bitterly disappointing to all of us.

The good news is that the ownership team and the rest of the hard-working, loyal, and driven staff over here at your hometown Cavaliers have not betrayed you nor NEVER will betray you.

There is so much more to tell you about the events of the recent past and our more than exciting future. Over the next several days and weeks, we will be communicating much of that to you.

You simply don't deserve this kind of cowardly betrayal.

You have given so much and deserve so much more.

In the meantime, I want to make one statement to you tonight:

"I PERSONALLY GUARANTEE THAT THE CLEVELAND CAVALIERS WILL WIN AN NBA CHAMPIONSHIP BEFORE THE SELF-TITLED FORMER ‘KING’ WINS ONE"

You can take it to the bank.

If you thought we were motivated before tonight to bring the hardware to Cleveland, I can tell you that this shameful display of selfishness and betrayal by one of our very own has shifted our "motivation" to previously unknown and previously never experienced levels.

Some people think they should go to heaven but NOT have to die to get there.

Sorry, but that's simply not how it works.

This shocking act of disloyalty from our home grown "chosen one" sends the exact opposite lesson of what we would want our children to learn. And "who" we would want them to grow-up to become.

But the good news is that this heartless and callous action can only serve as the antidote to the so-called "curse" on Cleveland, Ohio.

The self-declared former "King" will be taking the "curse" with him down south. And until he does "right" by Cleveland and Ohio, James (and the town where he plays) will unfortunately own this dreaded spell and bad karma.

Just watch.

Sleep well, Cleveland.

Tomorrow is a new and much brighter day....

I PROMISE you that our energy, focus, capital, knowledge and experience will be directed at one thing and one thing only:

DELIVERING YOU the championship you have long deserved and is long overdue....



Dan Gilbert
Majority Owner
Cleveland Cavaliers

WOW :speechless::speechless::speechless:

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 02:14 AM
Kobe is in the All-Time greats discussion so championships is one of the few things that does matter. Also, is LeBron going to be worse just because his PER will go down next season because he won't be on a team that runs ISO's for him every time down the court? PER is the most flawed stat out there (as you pointed out with your David Lee/Greg Oden highlight).

Kobe may be in the all-time greats discussion but when comparing Lebron whose career is still a decade or so away from ending, using championships to compare is useless. I'm using individual stats that all point in the favor of Lebron. PER may be the most flawed stat, but it is one of the most informative stat. But if you want to disregard that, that's fine, but look at the Estimated Wins Added numbers. Lebron adds almost 14 more wins to his team than Kobe

Bwest4prez
07-09-2010, 02:14 AM
thats uncalled for .. thats like having team usa on one team,. and then you go and have a 1 hour special for 1 sentence where you can say in about 20 second,, that was so messed up on his part for screwing clevand fans over ,, i feel bad for the clevand fans now..

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 02:15 AM
So why lebron isn't winning a championship then!
When his PER and other **** is off the charts!

And don't start with his teammates story again.

You can't win a title without having atleast 2 franchise type of players. The main difference between what happened with the cavs vs the Celtics vs the Lakers vs the celtics is that the Cavs only had only able to guard his own man of the big 3 of the celtics and that was Lebron against Pierce. When lebron guarded Rondo in the first half of game 5 he shut Rondo down but Paul Pierce started killing Parker. The Cavs were basically doomed because of this problem. Rondo and KG just totally destroyed Jamison and Mo Williams and even Ray Alen had his way with Anthony Parker. In contrast, the lakers never had this problem. KG never had his way with Gasol and Artest and Kobe held down their part on defense.


The point is:stats doesn't tell the whole story and kobe finds the ways to win!

Kobe didn't do anything spectacular vs the celtics. Infact, you can argue Gasol was better in the series. The difference in why they won was what I said above just now. Cavs just got dominated by KG and Rondo.

Bruno
07-09-2010, 02:16 AM
Not only is he drinking, hes probably smoking a huge blunt.

Hey man, that's what I'm doin' RIGHT NOW and I'm not even a Cavs fan.

R cool J
07-09-2010, 02:16 AM
:facepalm: come on, seriously? You can't compare championships when you are comparing players for multiple reasons.
1.)Kobe has been in the league for much longer than Lebron and is also about 6 years older.
2.)Kobe had better teams than Lebron for his 3 peat and now his back-to-back runs.
3.)If you want to compare who is better, look at their PER's, and Estimated Wins Added.

Lebron's Per-31.19 (1st in league)
Kobe's Per-21.95 (15th in the league behind guys such as David Lee and Greg Oden.

Lebron's EWA-30.5(1st in league
Kobe's EWA-16.1

4.)If you want to compare hardware, let's look at MVP's.
Lebron-2 (25 years old)
Kobe-1 (31 years old)

Guess Oscar Robertson is better than Michael Jordan than huh??:shrug:

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 02:19 AM
Gotta ask...Why would he push so hard for a "quitter" to come back and play for him? Can you say sore loser?

Exactly!!

If lebron quit and is all of the things Gilbert said, why is he so salty and emotional right over Lebron leaving the Cavs? Dude sounds like a whiny little b***h right now:facepalm:

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 02:20 AM
Guess Oscar Robertson is better than Michael Jordan than huh??:shrug:

Not at all. Actually, you can compare MJ and Robertson's ring totals because there careers are over and they can't add anymore onto what they did. Also, on the stats point of view, Jordan has the highest PER of all-time. So, no the Big O isn't better than Jordan. He won less than him and his stats weren't as good.

The Final Boss
07-09-2010, 02:20 AM
Who's Lebron James?

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-09-2010, 02:21 AM
I cant believe Lebron gave Cleveland an hour long golden shower on national T.V.

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 02:22 AM
Kobe was averaging about 26/6/5.5 during the 3-peat years.......that's not exactly piggy backing, that's called a two man team (1a and 1b)

Has Lebron ever had a true 1b type player on the Cavs as a sidekick?

DODGERS&LAKERS
07-09-2010, 02:22 AM
Dan Gilbert is on fire right now. I have never had a second favorite NBA team. I will be rooting for the Cavs though. This owner has balls

R cool J
07-09-2010, 02:22 AM
Exactly!!

If lebron quit and is all of the things Gilbert said, why is he so salty and emotional right over Lebron leaving the Cavs? Dude sounds like a whiny little b***h right now:facepalm:

I think he's more upset over the way things came about, no call from Lebron himself to let him know he's leaving, and an hour long special to slap the cavs in the face...was an hour long special really that necessary...i think DG is just venting his frustrations...He's the voice of the Cavs and im pretty sure the Cavs fans are looking for any type of assurance whether it be bad or good...in this case..DG just went helllla Hoooaaarrrdd!!!!

downsos
07-09-2010, 02:24 AM
He's right. Lebron did quit.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 02:24 AM
Who's Lebron James?

He's a white cricket player from hell according to my sources.

R cool J
07-09-2010, 02:25 AM
Not at all. Actually, you can compare MJ and Robertson's ring totals because there careers are over and they can't add anymore onto what they did. Also, on the stats point of view, Jordan has the highest PER of all-time. So, no the Big O isn't better than Jordan. He won less than him and his stats weren't as good.

So what!?? you talk about stats like it's the measuring stick for greatness...dude averaged a triple double in a single season...so from what you're saying he IS the greatest player of em all...the big O baby!!!!

android76
07-09-2010, 02:26 AM
I am going to harp on it because that is what made the difference.
Top 6 players
Gasol's playoff stats
PPG 19.6
RPG-11.10
APG-3.5

vs.
Jamison's playoff stats
PPG-15.3
RPG-7.40
APG-1.3

Bynum's playoff stats
PPG-8.6
RPG-6.9
APG-0.5

vs.

Shaq's playoff stats
PPG 11.5
RPG 5.5
APG 1.4

Artest's playoff stats
PPG-11.2
RPG-4.00
APG-2.1

vs.
Lebron's playoff stats
PPG 29.1
RPG 9.3
APG 7.6

Kobe's playoff stats
PPG-29.2
RPG-6.0
APG-5.5
vs.

Delonte West's playoff stats
PPG-6.7
RPG-1.90
APG-2.6

Fisher's playoff stats
PPG-10.3
RPG-2.5
APG-2.8
vs.
PPG-14.4
RPG-3.1
APG-5.4

Odom's playoff stats
PPG-9.7
RPG-8.6
APG-2.0
vs.
JJ Hickson's playoff stats
PPG-3.5
RPG-0.8
APG-0.1

Looking at these stats, how can you possibly say that their teammates don't factor in the equation

Thats because Kobe makes his teamates better

-Kobe24-TJ19-
07-09-2010, 02:27 AM
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa295/codycruey123/41660_23320393_8857_n.jpg

Impulse
07-09-2010, 02:29 AM
It's all right for Cleveland fans to be upset, but stuff like burning his jersey is unnecessary.

LeBron led the Cavs the last two years to the best record in the league, but they couldn't get it done in the playoffs. LeBron wants to win. Simple as that. I don't find it hard to understand - given his goal to win - that he would want to join forces with Wade, a proven winner.

He gave it his all in Cleveland the past seven years. Even with the best record in the league the past two years, the Cavs weren't able to make it to the finals. I think it's pretty clear the Cavs wouldn't be able to put up a roster much better (or as good, at that) than they had the past two years. Whether it was with the Heat or with the Bulls, I wasn't going to be surprised where he signed considering he wants to win.

WITZ
07-09-2010, 02:30 AM
I expected Lebron to be humble and say something that makes you say, "ya know what, he's a good guy and i empathize with his situation".

Instead, he came off selfish and greedy. Pretty sad. I respected those three before tonight. Now I like Kobe better. That says a lot.

Whats great is, it had NOTHING to do with the city.
If Chicago had room for 3, then they get them all. Same with NY. Just a real sad story for the NBA. Celtic wannabees. Hopefully with a lot less success.
I am with U on that one I lost a ton of respect for the guy,guess the pressure of being labeled the next jordan got to him so now he is wades Pippen.

nanablvd
07-09-2010, 02:30 AM
He should follow Phil's footsteps and write his own version of the book, "Last Season"

cmellofan15
07-09-2010, 02:31 AM
He's right. Lebron did quit.

why don't you go cry about it. nobody wants to be a loser their whole career and play in rundown Cleveland.

PistonsAllDaye
07-09-2010, 02:34 AM
+1 For Dan Gilbert tonight.
-1 for Lebron and the Heat tonight, in the opinions of fans of pretty much every other team. :P

papisupremo
07-09-2010, 02:38 AM
props to DG! regardless of how he sounds, one dude hit the nail on the head earlier when he said that he was just acting as the voice of cav fans, venting all the frustrations that they (rightfully) feel. there's nothing wrong with that, im sure that clevelanders everywhere feel the same way and DG is just giving them a voice, as he should!

as far as the queen goes, like ric flair says: to be the man, you gotta beat the man! not join the man and his lil buddy! there's a difference between earning a chip and chasing one...

Eightyfive Y'aw
07-09-2010, 02:38 AM
Glad he said it I bet 5 out of the six teams echo him about the dog and pony show deal. LeBron is a true Yankee at heart so here's the NBA version. Welcome to the Miami Yankees.

Jeff559
07-09-2010, 02:45 AM
It really did look like he tanked it on purpose in the last game vs boston.

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 02:54 AM
It really did look like he tanked it on purpose in the last game vs boston.

Noone "tanks" and nearly drops a 30 pt 20 rbd triple double:facepalm:

Tragedy
07-09-2010, 02:55 AM
Noone "tanks" and nearly drops a 30 pt 20 rbd triple double:facepalm:
Exactly. This moron owner is just butt hurt that LeBron didn't return. The thing is, if he tanked so badly, why would he want him back as badly as he did?

Such a crock.

TebowForeva
07-09-2010, 04:14 AM
ummm DUH the whole world saw that vs boston. this isnt breaking news.

BaustinSali08
07-09-2010, 04:17 AM
Yes, let's bash a guy who carried the team for seven years.....It's Cleveland's fault for putting their eggs in one basket. I have no problem what Lebron did what so ever. I am not even a Lebron fan.

GspLAL
07-09-2010, 04:35 AM
Exactly. This moron owner is just butt hurt that LeBron didn't return. The thing is, if he tanked so badly, why would he want him back as badly as he did?

Such a crock.

Because quit or no quit he is still Lebron James, a HOF player who basically made that franchise.

JayW_1023
07-09-2010, 04:41 AM
Cleveland - Miami on christmas day! Yay!

D Roses Bulls
07-09-2010, 04:52 AM
I love this owner, but even though i will root for the heat being a florida native, i do believe him that everyone covered for lebron. even espn seemed like they were feeding him questions tonight. i hope lebron realizes its wades team, not his now.

JordansBulls
07-09-2010, 07:39 AM
Cleveland - Miami on christmas day! Yay!

Pretty much.

lavell12
07-09-2010, 08:05 AM
The owner knows that Cleveland unlike NY, LA, Chicago, or Miami can't attract players b/c they aren't a great destination and don't have the basketball history, having a player of his talents is a one time thing.

Slimsim
07-09-2010, 08:06 AM
Cleveland - Miami on christmas day! Yay!

That would be a smack in face. Cleveland have no chance of winning.

Mr.ATLHawks
07-09-2010, 08:11 AM
So, are you still gonna use your 'LeBron stats' once he's in MIA and not getting Iso's every time down the court? Do you actually watch the games? LBJ quit--everybody knows it. If anything Kobe did the opposite and he got his 5th ring out of it. How about this playoff line:

Kobe's playoff line: 2010 NBA Champion and Finals MVP
LeBron's playoff line: Knocked out in the 2nd round

Why is Kobe being drawn into this conversation if it was up to Kobe he would have screwed LA also and been traded a few years ago, and dont give me the "Oh Kobe was just making alot of noise to get someone here b.s." Kobe helped them get to that Game 7 but we all saw who sealed the deal for them Artest/Fisher, it damn sure wasnt Kobe and his 6-24 shooting performance so STFU with all the Kobe nut hugging. Is it quitting when you carry your team and start getting quadruple teamed and nobody on your squad can do ****? This is the scenario Lebron has faced pretty much every year in the playoffs except the year they made it to the finals when Booby Gibson played above his head thru the first 3 rounds. Remember the 25+ pts straight to beat Detroit? Or how they came back and beat them. I dont blame Lebron...Who would choose Cleveland aka "The Mistake by the Lake" for South Beach? Cleveland fans are some of the most ignorant fans on earth so none of this surprises me. Ohio is also one of the most racist states in the union so believe me this is also fueling the hate. <^> this owner he is gonna end up like Donald Sterling and no one will want to play for his old drunk white ***...

_Supreme_
07-09-2010, 08:18 AM
The Cavs owner is just making himself look like a giant tool at the moment.

If he thought Lebron quit during the playoffs he should have taken it up with him then. To start spewing this crap now is so typically obvious :facepalm:

Everybody can see right through you Dan. Please gtfo.

masalex1205
07-09-2010, 08:19 AM
a little over the top but I love it

prodigy
07-09-2010, 08:24 AM
truth is LeBron could care less because he's gonna be in Miami. truth is Gilbert is ****ing because Pat Riley is doing what he'll never do, build a championship caliber team. truth is you should hop off the Cavs bandwagon right about now because it's headed for disaster.


Truth is I'm not a front runner like you. Truth is i have pride for my teams no matter what. Truth is lebron is a Quitter and he cost us a title. Truth is i hope lebron develops a crack addiction.

prodigy
07-09-2010, 08:26 AM
If he thought Lebron quit during the playoffs he should have taken it up with him then. To start spewing this crap now is so typically obvious :facepalm:


Well Everyone talked about it. Lebron even made some comments on it. Plus lebron plays that run and hide game after the season. He takes no blame for anything.

h2r09
07-09-2010, 08:27 AM
Truth is I'm not a front runner like you. Truth is i have pride for my teams no matter what. Truth is lebron is a Quitter and he cost us a title. Truth is i hope lebron develops a crack addiction.

lebron isnt a quitter and he didnt cost you a title. you had the best player in the nba for 7 years and not 1 time did you ever surround him with a star. he was always given these retrread players who were good, butn one of them were 2nd options on championship teams. Jamison? mo williams? shaq? these guys are guys he can win with as 2nd options.

Jester4k0
07-09-2010, 08:28 AM
Sour Grapes

h2r09
07-09-2010, 08:29 AM
and wtf do these people in cleveland think he owes them? especially gilbert. he already signed an extension there once and you STILL didnt get him the players around him necessary. All you did was build a team full of 3 pt shooters around him, but you never got him that 2nd star and he has every right to leave. Gilbert's letter was the most pathetic thing i have seen and he really should be ashamed of himself.

h2r09
07-09-2010, 08:33 AM
and its hilarious when people take losing over winning because there is money, but when he takes less money for winning he is an idiot and disloyal because he cant win it alone.

when are you people going to realize he might just not give a **** about what the average fan thinks about him and maybe he just wants to win.

PrettyBoyJ
07-09-2010, 08:33 AM
Damn I guess everything is coming out now.. smh Damn Im kinda disappointed in him too I wouldnt want waste my prime years on a super team

Carey
07-09-2010, 08:34 AM
Equal blame should be shared to why they didnt get it done in Cleveland. The owner is frustrated and vented that, was he right? no, but his franchise just walked out the door on national tv so i kinda give him a pass for his comments to a degree. Lebron did nothing wrong persay but it did come off a bit as diva doing it the way he did but at the same time he raised some money for a good cause.

gerber
07-09-2010, 08:36 AM
HE DID QUIT. a blind dog could see it.

LEBRON JAMES IS A QUITTER.

NBA-GMaster
07-09-2010, 08:43 AM
Haha!! What a nonsense to say by Mr. Gilbert..

Mr.ATLHawks
07-09-2010, 10:57 AM
HE DID QUIT. a blind dog could see it.

LEBRON JAMES IS A QUITTER.

so let me get this straight..when an owner calls out a player and says he "quit" its ok, but when TO calls out Donovan McNabb for quitting on his team and being not in shape he is a cancer to his team?

Ive never heard Lebron say anything about his teammates nor have I heard any of his teammates speak bad about him. Arod left his team, jordan left his team, monatana left his team, rice left his team I can go on and on...Why is this a big deal?

CowboysKB24
07-09-2010, 11:12 AM
and its hilarious when people take losing over winning because there is money, but when he takes less money for winning he is an idiot and disloyal because he cant win it alone.

when are you people going to realize he might just not give a **** about what the average fan thinks about him and maybe he just wants to win.

LBJ does care. He says it all the time. He wants to be the greatest basketball player ever, by doing this he has accepted the fact that he won't even be in the conversation as Michael Jordan, Kobe, Shaq, Larry Bird, Magic, Kareem, etc. He has accepted being the second guy on a team. No team has ever had 3 out of the top five players in the league on one team in their primes. It is a coward act by LeBron to join those guys, not by leaving CLE. That is where the owner is wrong. Listen to Charles and Van Gundy they said it best thus far.

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 11:13 AM
Danny Ferry and Dan Gilbert had chances to make the team better and put themselves in a position to rebuild just in case Lebron left. They chose to trade for Jamison last year instead of Amare. Jamison has handcuffed the Cavs and salary cap. Amare would have gave the Cavs a better chance to win it all last year, or atleast make the Finals.

Lebron and Amare were both going to be free agents this year and the Cavs could have signed both to max deals and still would have had the MLE to spend.

If Lebron and Amare wanted to leave, the Cavs would have been about 22 to 24 million under the cap with Lebron, Amare, and Shaq coming off the books.

Now that I think about, the letter was cute and all, but they did it to themselves. Never got the man any help, just old stars that were past their prime. Gilbert needs a reality check.

CowboysKB24
07-09-2010, 11:14 AM
IMO the Heat have to win for the next 7 years or it is a complete disappointment. Jordan or any other great would never want to play with the competition. It is like one thing to have Bosh and Wade, two top 5 guys, but then you throw in the best player in the world, come on guys... that is such a cop out. His legacy will never be what he thinks it is going to be. This makes him look worse. He should have done this at 32 years old not 25. He should want to lead a team to victory, not lead the team with two other guys. No one guy is getting credit. It is Wade's City. It is his team. Don't forget that. I am shocked he wanted this. I'd think he would want to win it in a different way.

GSW Hoops
07-09-2010, 11:17 AM
Agreed. LeBron busted his butt for 7 years and didn't get any help other than Mo Williams, Grandpa Shaq and half a season with Antawn Jamison.

If LeBron had returned to Cleveland, they'd win 55 games and get eliminated in the second round again. No way they could have defeated L.A. next season.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:17 AM
While ownership does have to accept a good amount of the blame, a good amount goes to LeBron too. LeBron was so caught up in becoming a free agent that he cost them talent in free agency in recent years. For example, last year Trevor Ariza wanted to sign with the Cavaliers and before doing so called LeBron just to see if he was staying and LeBron wouldn't answer him. So it is ownerships fault I will say that but it is also LeBron's fault.

magichatnumber9
07-09-2010, 11:17 AM
This is somewhat true. The whole thing is a mess

koreancabbage
07-09-2010, 11:18 AM
IMO the Heat have to win for the next 7 years or it is a complete disappointment. Jordan or any other great would never want to play with the competition. It is like one thing to have Bosh and Wade, two top 5 guys, but then you throw in the best player in the world, come on guys... that is such a cop out. His legacy will never be what he thinks it is going to be. This makes him look worse. He should have done this at 32 years old not 25. He should want to lead a team to victory, not lead the team with two other guys. No one guy is getting credit. It is Wade's City. It is his team. Don't forget that. I am shocked he wanted this. I'd think he would want to win it in a different way.

maybe he doesn't care what other people think.

CowboysKB24
07-09-2010, 11:18 AM
so let me get this straight..when an owner calls out a player and says he "quit" its ok, but when TO calls out Donovan McNabb for quitting on his team and being not in shape he is a cancer to his team?

Ive never heard Lebron say anything about his teammates nor have I heard any of his teammates speak bad about him. Arod left his team, jordan left his team, monatana left his team, rice left his team I can go on and on...Why is this a big deal?

For me, It has nothing to do with leaving his team. It is about going to join forces with the other best player in the league and the best PF in the league. A real legend, a real man would want to be the man of the city and team. He would want to undoubtedly the biggest reason for their success. He ruined his career by doing this IMO. His championships won't be nearly as significant if he won it else where without two other Super Stars. It would be more meaningful and impressive on his legacy winning it alone.

CowboysKB24
07-09-2010, 11:19 AM
maybe he doesn't care what other people think.

He does care. He says he does care, unless he is lying which I doubt.

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 11:21 AM
While ownership does have to accept a good amount of the blame, a good amount goes to LeBron too. LeBron was so caught up in becoming a free agent that he cost them talent in free agency in recent years. For example, last year Trevor Ariza wanted to sign with the Cavaliers and before doing so called LeBron just to see if he was staying and LeBron wouldn't answer him. So it is ownerships fault I will say that but it is also LeBron's fault.

Ariza wouldn't have made the cavs any better...lebron and the cavs needed a true 1b type of franchise player. The Cavs downfall was that with Lebron with a bunch solid 2nd to 3rd tier players and if Lebron played didn't play to video game standards, they were going to lose to another title contending team.

Chronz
07-09-2010, 11:21 AM
They shouldve gone after Amare. I never understood how they could pass on a guy who does what you want Brons PnR sidekick to do.


While ownership does have to accept a good amount of the blame, a good amount goes to LeBron too. LeBron was so caught up in becoming a free agent that he cost them talent in free agency in recent years. For example, last year Trevor Ariza wanted to sign with the Cavaliers and before doing so called LeBron just to see if he was staying and LeBron wouldn't answer him. So it is ownerships fault I will say that but it is also LeBron's fault.
Thats not Brons fault, thats just how bad the idea of playing in Cleveland is. If Brons not there its just not a big enough market. Trying to pin that on Bron is unfair, do you think anyone would say no to playing in LA even when Kobe was FA? Your just giving even more reasons why Bron should have left, if he cant even be given to option of testing FA.

Jaji
07-09-2010, 11:24 AM
If my teammates were boning my mom, I don't know if I could even focus, let alone go all out for them.

And if LeBron is such a quitter, why did Gilbert do all that he could to re-sign him?

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 11:26 AM
They shouldve gone after Amare. I never understood how they could pass on a guy who does what you want Brons PnR sidekick to do.

And it would have kept them cap flexible if they both left along with Shaq coming off the books. They traded for a guy (Jamison) who was once a 6th man in his prime for Dallas.

jrm2054
07-09-2010, 11:26 AM
he did quit

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:30 AM
Ariza wouldn't have made the cavs any better...lebron and the cavs needed a true 1b type of franchise player. The Cavs downfall was that with Lebron with a bunch solid 2nd to 3rd tier players and if Lebron played didn't play to video game standards, they were going to lose to another title contending team.

I agree with that but what I meant through that example is that LeBron made it tough for the Cavaliers to go out and get free agents to come in with the uncertainty of whether or not he was staying. That left the Cavs in a position where they could only improve through trades. Every trade that they were a part of they ripped off the other team. They took advantage of Dan Gilbert's ability to spend and improved the roster. When they got Antawn Jamison everyone was calling them the favorites but now people say he wasn't good enough to win? When they got him everybody said that now LeBron has no excuses that this team around him is good enough to compete for a title but now that he didn't win its not his fault?

Do I think the Cavs could have got him a better supporting cast? Obviously but do I think they put a team on the floor that was capable of competing with anybody in the league? Absolutely, they proved that by having the best regular season record the past two years.

The Amare trade will always come back to haunt them, depending on how well Hickson develops and what type of player he becomes. But to say it was a bad trade for the Cavs, well I just can't agree with that. They picked up a very talented player in Antawn Jamison for basically nothing. Sure you can look at the cap situation and say that it was a bad trade because it limited them this summer but why harp on a team that tried to win it all. There front office decided that they wanted to go all in and try to win a title for the city of Cleveland instead of clearing cap space and wasting a year like New York and Miami and that should be applauded.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:33 AM
They shouldve gone after Amare. I never understood how they could pass on a guy who does what you want Brons PnR sidekick to do.


Thats not Brons fault, thats just how bad the idea of playing in Cleveland is. If Brons not there its just not a big enough market. Trying to pin that on Bron is unfair, do you think anyone would say no to playing in LA even when Kobe was FA? Your just giving even more reasons why Bron should have left, if he cant even be given to option of testing FA.

Ok so that actually makes this argument pointless. You're saying that no player wants to play in Cleveland and that they can't bring anybody in, and then ripping on them for not bringing anybody in? That makes no sense at all. Cleveland is a great sports town but its not a glamour town and I get that, but to say that isn't LeBron's fault in that scenario is ridiculous.

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 11:35 AM
I agree with that but what I meant through that example is that LeBron made it tough for the Cavaliers to go out and get free agents to come in with the uncertainty of whether or not he was staying. That left the Cavs in a position where they could only improve through trades. Every trade that they were a part of they ripped off the other team. They took advantage of Dan Gilbert's ability to spend and improved the roster. When they got Antawn Jamison everyone was calling them the favorites but now people say he wasn't good enough to win? When they got him everybody said that now LeBron has no excuses that this team around him is good enough to compete for a title but now that he didn't win its not his fault?

Do I think the Cavs could have got him a better supporting cast? Obviously but do I think they put a team on the floor that was capable of competing with anybody in the league? Absolutely, they proved that by having the best regular season record the past two years.

The Amare trade will always come back to haunt them, depending on how well Hickson develops and what type of player he becomes. But to say it was a bad trade for the Cavs, well I just can't agree with that. They picked up a very talented player in Antawn Jamison for basically nothing. Sure you can look at the cap situation and say that it was a bad trade because it limited them this summer but why harp on a team that tried to win it all. There front office decided that they wanted to go all in and try to win a title for the city of Cleveland instead of clearing cap space and wasting a year like New York and Miami and that should be applauded.

Going all in would be getting the 27 year old PF and better player in Amare, instead they went for the 34 year old, bad contract having, past his prime PF to pair with a 25 year old Lebron in his prime.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:41 AM
Going all in would be getting the 27 year old PF and better player in Amare, instead they went for the 34 year old, bad contract having, past his prime PF to pair with a 25 year old Lebron in his prime.

In Phoenix Amare and Shaq didn't work out very well and to think they would work out well together in Cleveland is a stretch. Is he a better player than Jamison? Without question, but to pick him up in the middle of a season and think that it would work perfectly is just not true in my opinion. They would need a full training camp together to make it work out. The Cavs probably felt like getting a veteran in Jamison would make it easier to mesh in especially with Jamison's personality.

I think the front office thought that LeBron would be around for his whole career, they really didn't think there was a chance he would leave but they felt that Amare would. If they made that trade and Amare left they would have absolutely no bigs left on their roster besides Varejao and Powe. Hickson is a very good young player who has made a great deal of improvment in the past two years and they really felt like he would be the perfect type of player for LeBron to have on his team for the next 10 years.

RulerSlick
07-09-2010, 11:49 AM
When they got Antawn Jamison everyone was calling them the favorites but now people say he wasn't good enough to win? When they got him everybody said that now LeBron has no excuses that this team around him is good enough to compete for a title but now that he didn't win its not his fault?



Most people actually thought Amare being on the team would have put them in a better position than the Jamison trade because Amare had more take over ability. People only like the Jamison trade because they got him for free basically. Jamison actually made the cavs defense worse when he was on the floor though. KG owned him over and over.

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 11:53 AM
In Phoenix Amare and Shaq didn't work out very well and to think they would work out well together in Cleveland is a stretch. Is he a better player than Jamison? Without question, but to pick him up in the middle of a season and think that it would work perfectly is just not true in my opinion. They would need a full training camp together to make it work out. The Cavs probably felt like getting a veteran in Jamison would make it easier to mesh in especially with Jamison's personality.

I think the front office thought that LeBron would be around for his whole career, they really didn't think there was a chance he would leave but they felt that Amare would. If they made that trade and Amare left they would have absolutely no bigs left on their roster besides Varejao and Powe. Hickson is a very good young player who has made a great deal of improvment in the past two years and they really felt like he would be the perfect type of player for LeBron to have on his team for the next 10 years.
Amare averaged 21ppg and 8rpg with Shaq in 08-09. In the half year he played with Shaq prior, Amare was putting up close to 28ppg and 9rpg after Shaq arrived. His numbers went up after Shaq got there.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:55 AM
Most people actually thought Amare being on the team would have put them in a better position than the Jamison trade because Amare had more take over ability. People only like the Jamison trade because they got him for free basically. Jamison actually made the cavs defense worse when he was on the floor though. KG owned him over and over.

At the time of the trade Amare was not playing like he normally does. He was having an alright year for him and Jamison was having a very good year. After the trade deadline is when Amare came back to being the beast of the paint again so its not like he was having an awesome season to that point.

Would Amare have been the better trade target? Looking back yes he would have been but hindsights 20/20. Many people on this board even said the Cavaliers were the favorite after they got Jamison though so it still is no excuse. How soon we forget.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 11:58 AM
Amare averaged 21ppg and 8rpg with Shaq in 08-09. In the half year he played with Shaq prior, Amare was putting up close to 28ppg and 9rpg after Shaq arrived. His numbers went up after Shaq got there.

I realized after I said that the reason they didn't play well together in many views was because of the system they were running. Shaq just slowed their team down in the run n gun offense so you're right I was wrong on this point.

But I still think it would have been more difficult to bring in Amare midseason than bringing in Jamison. Especially when at the time all signs pointed to Amare leaving the team for the Heat in the summer.

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 12:02 PM
I realized after I said that the reason they didn't play well together in many views was because of the system they were running. Shaq just slowed their team down in the run n gun offense so you're right I was wrong on this point.

But I still think it would have been more difficult to bring in Amare midseason than bringing in Jamison. Especially when at the time all signs pointed to Amare leaving the team for the Heat in the summer.

Who cares if he was leaving, if they win the title, Lebron and Amare would have likely stayed. Even if Amare left, they could have tried to get a trade exception for him. If Amare and Lebron both left along with Shaq expiring, they would be like 24 million under the cap right now. The Amare trade would have been a win across the board with all of the bases covered.

Statik1
07-09-2010, 12:06 PM
If my teammates were boning my mom, I don't know if I could even focus, let alone go all out for them.

And if LeBron is such a quitter, why did Gilbert do all that he could to re-sign him?

B/C what owner in the their right mind is going to let 150+ million in franchise value just walk right out the door.

Owners are not just in this business to win rings they also have money to make.

Frezhnitz
07-09-2010, 12:06 PM
Lebron did quit. Loser.

CowboysKB24
07-09-2010, 12:08 PM
He got beat mentally and physically. LeB!tch came out when he ran into the big 3. Pierce and Garnett brought the ***** out.

Melo15
07-09-2010, 12:08 PM
Who cares if he was leaving, if they win the title, Lebron and Amare would have likely stayed. Even if Amare left, they could have tried to get a trade exception for him. If Amare and Lebron both left along with Shaq expiring, they would be like 24 million under the cap right now. The Amare trade would have been a win across the board with all of the bases covered.

At this point in the year the Cavs looked like they were by far the best team in the league, had the best record and were on a 13 game winning streak. The front office probably didn't feel like they needed to make a move of that magnitude especially when they could get Jamison for free and have him for an extra year.

This is kind of pointless to discuss though because we can both agree looking back that Amare was the better trade target. However, this team was good enough to challenge for a title. I really think they felt Jamison was the perfect player for LeBron because he's a big that can stretch the floor and shoot the 3 to open up the lane for him. It didn't work out simple as that. I just feel that they shouldn't be criticized for trying to put a better team around LeBron when other teams were throwing away seasons to clear cap space.

Wrench
07-09-2010, 12:09 PM
He Quit on his team? That's ********. Someone who pulled in 19 boards, dished out 10 assists, and put up 27 points in that final game didn't quit. Yea Game 4 he played crappy, you can't be perfect every night, and the entire team played like crap too. Boston took the Lakers to 7 games, and if Perkins doesn't go down who knows they might of won it all. Boston was just a better team.

Also the people saying he is taking the easy way out by going to play with the Wade and Bosh is foolish. He is going to play with his friends. If you had the choice to play with "cowokers" or friends, which would you decide?

I mean if the owner comes out like this hours after he says where he is going, then he never wanted him. He only wanted the money he brought in, and the people he put in the stands. I can not wait to see LeBron go off on the Cavs, after has seen how many people truly where his fans. This is sad.

If Wade had left Miami you would not see any where near the number of the people being as stupid as the people in Cleveland have been acting. Grow up.

neohemp
07-09-2010, 12:09 PM
If my owner was a whiny @$$ like that I probably would have quit on him too. I thought it was crappy of LeBron but imagine if your supervisor lambasted you like that after you switched companies. As far as I'm concerned he got what he deserved

ragee
07-09-2010, 12:12 PM
If he really wanted to win he would go to the bulls

they have the perfect talent (roles) from starters to the first 3 off the bench to win a title... those 3 planned this a long time ago, he obviously was tanking in the playoffs on purpose so he wouldnt have a reason to stay in cleaveland if they won the title

Would you want him in a Maverick uniform?

Apophis
07-09-2010, 12:17 PM
B/C what owner in the their right mind is going to let 150+ million in franchise value just walk right out the door.

Owners are not just in this business to win rings they also have money to make.

I love your sig man... Funniest thing so far...

Melo15
07-09-2010, 12:18 PM
He Quit on his team? That's ********. Someone who pulled in 19 boards, dished out 10 assists, and put up 27 points in that final game didn't quit. Yea Game 4 he played crappy, you can't be perfect every night, and the entire team played like crap too. Boston took the Lakers to 7 games, and if Perkins doesn't go down who knows they might of won it all. Boston was just a better team.

Also the people saying he is taking the easy way out by going to play with the Wade and Bosh is foolish. He is going to play with his friends. If you had the choice to play with "cowokers" or friends, which would you decide?

I mean if the owner comes out like this hours after he says where he is going, then he never wanted him. He only wanted the money he brought in, and the people he put in the stands. I can not wait to see LeBron go off on the Cavs, after has seen how many people truly where his fans. This is sad.

If Wade had left Miami you would not see any where near the number of the people being as stupid as the people in Cleveland have been acting. Grow up.

Lol in no way is that even close to being the same thing. LeBron was born and raised in the Greater Clevleand Area. Akron is basically right next to Cleveland and is the hometown team. He was praised and worshiped by everyone in the Akron and Cleveland area all through high school and they truly treated him like a King throughout his entire career in Cleveland. He basically left his hometown behind.

Wade was born in Chicago. Had he been drafted by the Bulls and left you bet damn well the fans would feel the exact same way. Would the owner have responded the same way? Highly unlikely but I praise Dan Gilbert for how he reacted. LeBron disrespected the Cavs by making the public announcment and Dan Gilbert then disrespected him right back. Was it childish? Yes, but he just won the hearts of every Cleveland fan. Miami fans for the most part are fair weather fans. They are only around when things are going good. I'm not accusing you of being one but lets be honest almost all of Miami is. They have had one of the best players in the league on their team the past few years and couldn't even sell out. Thats a joke. Cleveland always sold out. Cleveland is a football town don't get me wrong but they loved LeBron like he was a God and now he's hated like he's the Devil. Would the owner have responded the same way? Highly unlikely but I praise Dan Gilbert for how he reacted. LeBron disrespected the Cavs by making the public announcment and Dan Gilbert then disrespected him right back. Was it childish? Yes, but he just won the hearts of every Cleveland fan.

Human FlameShld
07-09-2010, 12:18 PM
He is fueling hate in Cleveland, he is only going to make upset and potentially hostile people more upset and hostile.

The owner basically through gasoline on an open fire and if anything happens to any friend, family member, or to Lebron himself by a citizen of Cleveland I think the owner of the Cavs would be partially responsible...this is unprofessional...just because he's upset is no reason to make a situation worse...I think Stern needs to sit down and have a long talk with the Cavs owner, a player would be suspended and fined for this type of behavior (at least in football, hockey, or baseball would)

ABOMB_56
07-09-2010, 12:24 PM
While ownership does have to accept a good amount of the blame, a good amount goes to LeBron too. LeBron was so caught up in becoming a free agent that he cost them talent in free agency in recent years. For example, last year Trevor Ariza wanted to sign with the Cavaliers and before doing so called LeBron just to see if he was staying and LeBron wouldn't answer him. So it is ownerships fault I will say that but it is also LeBron's fault.

I respect Lebron for that. What do you want him to do? Lie to Ariza and say he is coming back? If he did that I would of been more mad because not only did he lie to a fellow player just to get him to come play, but he would also be sending out false implications to the Cavs and their fans

Wrench
07-09-2010, 12:29 PM
Lol in no way is that even close to being the same thing. LeBron was born and raised in the Greater Clevleand Area. Akron is basically right next to Cleveland and is the hometown team. He was praised and worshiped by everyone in the Akron and Cleveland area all through high school and they truly treated him like a King throughout his entire career in Cleveland. He basically left his hometown behind.

Wade was born in Chicago. Had he been drafted by the Bulls and left you bet damn well the fans would feel the exact same way. Would the owner have responded the same way? Highly unlikely but I praise Dan Gilbert for how he reacted. LeBron disrespected the Cavs by making the public announcment and Dan Gilbert then disrespected him right back. Was it childish? Yes, but he just won the hearts of every Cleveland fan. Miami fans for the most part are fair weather fans. They are only around when things are going good. I'm not accusing you of being one but lets be honest almost all of Miami is. They have had one of the best players in the league on their team the past few years and couldn't even sell out. Thats a joke. Cleveland always sold out. Cleveland is a football town don't get me wrong but they loved LeBron like he was a God and now he's hated like he's the Devil. Would the owner have responded the same way? Highly unlikely but I praise Dan Gilbert for how he reacted. LeBron disrespected the Cavs by making the public announcment and Dan Gilbert then disrespected him right back. Was it childish? Yes, but he just won the hearts of every Cleveland fan.

No we didn't sell out this year still where 15th in the league, 8th the year before, and 4th the year before that. The last 2 years where scrub teams, we all knew that, Riley made it that way to build a team this off season. Did he go into the FA looking to get all 3? **** no. If happened though and I bet he is happy as hell.

LeBron was screwed from the start of FA. If he had stayed and the Cavs still never wins a ring he becomes the same hated person. If had left for NY people say he as left for the money. If had went to the Bulls, and if he doesn't win 6 rings he is called a failure. But he didn't do any of that, he is giving up TONS of money, giving up stats, giving up the MVP (He will never win it now) to play with his friends and try to win Rings.

Sportfan
07-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Come on. Sour grapes. He waits until James is out the door to kick him as a means to save his own *** for not re-signing him. He has no credibility. If he wanted an honest relationship with Lebron James, stop kissing his *** when he's there. Why didn't he hold him to account?

James may have quit, but Cleveland didn't put him in a position to do anything but what he wanted to do. They didn't sign him to an extension. They were just as cocky about this as James was. He used to bow down to the previous Cavs owner. His hubris is because he was allowed to become an institution outside of the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Try pulling that **** with Pat Riley in charge. Remember the guy who used to knock big scary Anthony Mason in the head during huddles? He pulls a stunt like that, the Heat trade him and get tons in return with plenty of talent already on the roster. Plain and simple.

Gilbert helped create this mess. He's just playing to the fans (once again).
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Randy West
07-09-2010, 12:31 PM
I would be upset as well if the best thing in Cavs basketball history just left. Truth is it is a business and he had every right to stay or go. Any team would love to have the guy and I am sure every team would hate to lose a guy like that.

He tried for the Cavs and it didn't work out, that's the way it goes sometimes.

As far as the Cavs winning a title before the Heat........well that is just foolish talk right there and goes to show how unrealistic ownership is being about the situation.

mlisica19
07-09-2010, 12:35 PM
I'm glad he did so, someone has to step up. Lebron did do something never witnessed all year, and it was foolished and if anything made me disrespect the guy more. He went to wades team, wade was the smartest guy in the end. Lebron just took his back seat even if he puts up more stats. The team won't work, lebron is use to doing everything.

koLohe2133
07-09-2010, 12:36 PM
i'da quit too if delonte west nailed my mom....

Sportfan
07-09-2010, 12:36 PM
No we didn't sell out this year still where 15th in the league, 8th the year before, and 4th the year before that. The last 2 years where scrub teams, we all knew that, Riley made it that way to build a team this off season. Did he go into the FA looking to get all 3? **** no. If happened though and I bet he is happy as hell.

LeBron was screwed from the start of FA. If he had stayed and the Cavs still never wins a ring he becomes the same hated person. If had left for NY people say he as left for the money. If had went to the Bulls, and if he doesn't win 6 rings he is called a failure. But he didn't do any of that, he is giving up TONS of money, giving up stats, giving up the MVP (He will never win it now) to play with his friends and try to win Rings.
False. It's not that he left for Miami, it's how he left. And regardless, there wouldn't be as much hate if he stayed in Cleveland.

Tony_Starks
07-09-2010, 12:58 PM
this dude is starting to sound like a bitter ex girlfriend already. Somebody needs to tell him to cry a river, build a bridge and get over it!

mlisica19
07-09-2010, 01:01 PM
Leaving the cavs in general was a horrible move in his part. He could have been a legend but he took the easy road and decided to play with the best teams. Nothing is better than the time and hardwork it takes to win a true championship. No one in CLE should ever be on his side, in fact he will lose fans by going to miami. A team that is dwades. Dwade is their hero, and nothing will change that. They will not appreciate lebron the same way CLE did.

The worst part is that he indivually lost the team the playoffs... Then played wiyh his cities hearts and minds for years. Toyed with everyone, all for his own personal entertainment. I hope james loses the mvp this year, to wade or anyone, and I hope he loses in the playoffs first round. You would never see Kobe do this, or Jordan. And no lebron is neither one of them, but I for one am ashamed such a talent will has tarnished his legacy at such a young age nonetheless. Nothing short of 4 back to back to b to b titles, including an individual award each passing year will save him.

Gibby23
07-09-2010, 01:07 PM
Leaving the cavs in general was a horrible move in his part. He could have been a legend but he took the easy road and decided to play with the best teams. Nothing is better than the time and hardwork it takes to win a true championship. No one in CLE should ever be on his side, in fact he will lose fans by going to miami. A team that is dwades. Dwade is their hero, and nothing will change that. They will not appreciate lebron the same way CLE did.

The worst part is that he indivually lost the team the playoffs... Then played wiyh his cities hearts and minds for years. Toyed with everyone, all for his own personal entertainment. I hope james loses the mvp this year, to wade or anyone, and I hope he loses in the playoffs first round. You would never see Kobe do this, or Jordan. And no lebron is neither one of them, but I for one am ashamed such a talent will has tarnished his legacy at such a young age nonetheless. Nothing short of 4 back to back to b to b titles, including an individual award each passing year will save him.

Like that scrub Jamison didn't have anything to do with it. Jamison couldn't guard KG and didn't do anything scoring or rebounding wise. Also it didn't help that Mo was nowhere to be found for most of the series and shooting 21% from 3.

prodigy
07-09-2010, 10:57 PM
you had the best player in the nba for 7 years and not 1 time did you ever surround him with a star. .


Who's fault is that? The Cavs Can only do so much. When Ariza wanted to join Cleveland all he wanted was lebron to say he's committed to the Cavs. Lebron could not do that and Ariza went to Huston. Artest and Frye were both on that hill also.

If you listened to Chris Bosh yesterday its clear Lebron did not recruit him to Cleveland at all.

I'm sick and tired of talking about this fool lol.